When do CAPE/PARCC results come out?

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Anonymous wrote:CAPE is not inconsequential. It is the only widely standradized test that parents in DC have to see if their kid is working below, on, or above grade level. It also shows where your kid stands against all other kids in the city.

Now let me preface this by saying kids in DC are doing very poorly academically so the bar is not high with comparisons. It would be much better if DC used a standardized test that many other states used so you can get at least a better sense of where your kid stands nationwide. That would be a big eye opener to say the least, and not in a positive way either.

It was a big eye opener for me when my kid reached high school and started taking SAT-suite tests. But not in the way you mean. My kid’s DC percentiles on the 8th grade PARCC (95th) were actually lower than their nationwide percentiles on the PSAT8/9 (99th).

The fact is that an average tells you nothing about the distribution. DC has a lot of struggling students, but it’s also very strong at the top.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:CAPE is not inconsequential. It is the only widely standradized test that parents in DC have to see if their kid is working below, on, or above grade level. It also shows where your kid stands against all other kids in the city.

Now let me preface this by saying kids in DC are doing very poorly academically so the bar is not high with comparisons. It would be much better if DC used a standardized test that many other states used so you can get at least a better sense of where your kid stands nationwide. That would be a big eye opener to say the least, and not in a positive way either.

It was a big eye opener for me when my kid reached high school and started taking SAT-suite tests. But not in the way you mean. My kid’s DC percentiles on the 8th grade PARCC (95th) were actually lower than their nationwide percentiles on the PSAT8/9 (99th).

The fact is that an average tells you nothing about the distribution. DC has a lot of struggling students, but it’s also very strong at the top.

Yes, I agree that DC has a lot of kids who are very strong at the top, which is not too surprising for a city that has so many high achievers and Ivy grads coming to work here. the high is very high and the low is deeply, depressingly low.

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Anonymous wrote:DCUM is so weird. Missing a 4 by a handful of points (once) on one subject is not a big deal. Maybe your child is good at reading but still needs some work on their writing. It is also a multi-day test so maybe the kid just had an off day. The my child has only ever gotten 5s anything less would be catastrophic posters are so much weirder.

A couple things here.

Performance on demand is a pretty critical part of life. I it’s important to know if my kid is just a practice all star and freezes in game, and it’s important to know why. You can work on that.

That’s especially true when the bar is pretty low, like it is with PARCC. My kid doesn’t get a 5 on his APs? That’s fine. My kid gets a 3 on PARCC? That’s not at grade level and I don’t know if you’ve looked at the testing standards but those standards are low. It’s less than literate for ELA, for starters.

Uh, this is BS. I care about my kids test scores, but it's more of a reflection of whether they slept well the night before or made the effort than how they will perform in life. What is the major consequence of scoring poorly on PARCC/CAPE? Lack of bragging rights?

Do you also feel that way about the SATs? MCAT? Bar exam?

Life is full of high stakes days. Yes, you can retake them... But then you have another high stakes day. Doing well on tests is a valuable life skill.

MCATs and LSATs are absolutely consequential. CAPE is not. I know how well my kid is faring in school as an involved parent. DC is already attending Banneker/Basis/SWW. DC prepped for the PSATs even, but walked in and took the CAPE assessments blindly. The results will be interesting enough, but will have zero bearing on future outcomes.

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Anonymous wrote:DCUM is so weird. Missing a 4 by a handful of points (once) on one subject is not a big deal. Maybe your child is good at reading but still needs some work on their writing. It is also a multi-day test so maybe the kid just had an off day. The my child has only ever gotten 5s anything less would be catastrophic posters are so much weirder.

A couple things here.

Performance on demand is a pretty critical part of life. I it’s important to know if my kid is just a practice all star and freezes in game, and it’s important to know why. You can work on that.

That’s especially true when the bar is pretty low, like it is with PARCC. My kid doesn’t get a 5 on his APs? That’s fine. My kid gets a 3 on PARCC? That’s not at grade level and I don’t know if you’ve looked at the testing standards but those standards are low. It’s less than literate for ELA, for starters.

Uh, this is BS. I care about my kids test scores, but it's more of a reflection of whether they slept well the night before or made the effort than how they will perform in life. What is the major consequence of scoring poorly on PARCC/CAPE? Lack of bragging rights?

Do you also feel that way about the SATs? MCAT? Bar exam?

Life is full of high stakes days. Yes, you can retake them... But then you have another high stakes day. Doing well on tests is a valuable life skill.

MCATs and LSATs are absolutely consequential. CAPE is not. I know how well my kid is faring in school as an involved parent. DC is already attending Banneker/Basis/SWW. DC prepped for the PSATs even, but walked in and took the CAPE assessments blindly. The results will be interesting enough, but will have zero bearing on future outcomes.

CAPE is not meant for future outcomes. Its a tool to use to gauge if your kid is actually learning what he needs to learn at grade level currently or recently.

PP above just made a point that if your kid doesn’t do well on standardized testing then that will be a big factor in the future where there are even bigger ones.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:CAPE is not inconsequential. It is the only widely standradized test that parents in DC have to see if their kid is working below, on, or above grade level. It also shows where your kid stands against all other kids in the city.

Now let me preface this by saying kids in DC are doing very poorly academically so the bar is not high with comparisons. It would be much better if DC used a standardized test that many other states used so you can get at least a better sense of where your kid stands nationwide. That would be a big eye opener to say the least, and not in a positive way either.

It was a big eye opener for me when my kid reached high school and started taking SAT-suite tests. But not in the way you mean. My kid’s DC percentiles on the 8th grade PARCC (95th) were actually lower than their nationwide percentiles on the PSAT8/9 (99th).

The fact is that an average tells you nothing about the distribution. DC has a lot of struggling students, but it’s also very strong at the top.

OK but 4% is not statistically significant. You knew your kid was somewhere in the top 5% and both tests told you so.

Now if you said 80 vs 99%, that would be something else.

So CAPE was pretty on point with where your kid stands.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:CAPE is not inconsequential. It is the only widely standradized test that parents in DC have to see if their kid is working below, on, or above grade level. It also shows where your kid stands against all other kids in the city.

Now let me preface this by saying kids in DC are doing very poorly academically so the bar is not high with comparisons. It would be much better if DC used a standardized test that many other states used so you can get at least a better sense of where your kid stands nationwide. That would be a big eye opener to say the least, and not in a positive way either.

It was a big eye opener for me when my kid reached high school and started taking SAT-suite tests. But not in the way you mean. My kid’s DC percentiles on the 8th grade PARCC (95th) were actually lower than their nationwide percentiles on the PSAT8/9 (99th).

The fact is that an average tells you nothing about the distribution. DC has a lot of struggling students, but it’s also very strong at the top.

OK but 4% is not statistically significant. You knew your kid was somewhere in the top 5% and both tests told you so.

Now if you said 80 vs 99%, that would be something else.

So CAPE was pretty on point with where your kid stands.

Also I will add that this might be true at the top but it won’t be in the middle or bottom because overwhelming majority of kids in DC are way at the bottom.

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Anonymous wrote:CAPE is not inconsequential. It is the only widely standradized test that parents in DC have to see if their kid is working below, on, or above grade level. It also shows where your kid stands against all other kids in the city.

Now let me preface this by saying kids in DC are doing very poorly academically so the bar is not high with comparisons. It would be much better if DC used a standardized test that many other states used so you can get at least a better sense of where your kid stands nationwide. That would be a big eye opener to say the least, and not in a positive way either.

It was a big eye opener for me when my kid reached high school and started taking SAT-suite tests. But not in the way you mean. My kid’s DC percentiles on the 8th grade PARCC (95th) were actually lower than their nationwide percentiles on the PSAT8/9 (99th).

The fact is that an average tells you nothing about the distribution. DC has a lot of struggling students, but it’s also very strong at the top.

Yes, I agree that DC has a lot of kids who are very strong at the top, which is not too surprising for a city that has so many high achievers and Ivy grads coming to work here. the high is very high and the low is deeply, depressingly low.

Did you really say that out loud???!!! You are suggesting that kids of people who graduated from Ivy's have an inherent advantage? Icky.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:CAPE is not inconsequential. It is the only widely standradized test that parents in DC have to see if their kid is working below, on, or above grade level. It also shows where your kid stands against all other kids in the city.

Now let me preface this by saying kids in DC are doing very poorly academically so the bar is not high with comparisons. It would be much better if DC used a standardized test that many other states used so you can get at least a better sense of where your kid stands nationwide. That would be a big eye opener to say the least, and not in a positive way either.

It was a big eye opener for me when my kid reached high school and started taking SAT-suite tests. But not in the way you mean. My kid’s DC percentiles on the 8th grade PARCC (95th) were actually lower than their nationwide percentiles on the PSAT8/9 (99th).

The fact is that an average tells you nothing about the distribution. DC has a lot of struggling students, but it’s also very strong at the top.

Yes, I agree that DC has a lot of kids who are very strong at the top, which is not too surprising for a city that has so many high achievers and Ivy grads coming to work here. the high is very high and the low is deeply, depressingly low.

Did you really say that out loud???!!! You are suggesting that kids of people who graduated from Ivy's have an inherent advantage? Icky.

Kids of people who went to Ivys being likely to do better than average in standardized tests is… a secret? The quiet part? Have you never heard of genetics? Or of nurture? Like kid of good academic performer better than average at academic performance seems…
Obvious rather than scandalous?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CAPE is not inconsequential. It is the only widely standradized test that parents in DC have to see if their kid is working below, on, or above grade level. It also shows where your kid stands against all other kids in the city.

Now let me preface this by saying kids in DC are doing very poorly academically so the bar is not high with comparisons. It would be much better if DC used a standardized test that many other states used so you can get at least a better sense of where your kid stands nationwide. That would be a big eye opener to say the least, and not in a positive way either.

It was a big eye opener for me when my kid reached high school and started taking SAT-suite tests. But not in the way you mean. My kid’s DC percentiles on the 8th grade PARCC (95th) were actually lower than their nationwide percentiles on the PSAT8/9 (99th).

The fact is that an average tells you nothing about the distribution. DC has a lot of struggling students, but it’s also very strong at the top.

OK but 4% is not statistically significant. You knew your kid was somewhere in the top 5% and both tests told you so.

Now if you said 80 vs 99%, that would be something else.

So CAPE was pretty on point with where your kid stands.

Also I will add that this might be true at the top but it won’t be in the middle or bottom because overwhelming majority of kids in DC are way at the bottom.

4% is probably significant (just based on the sheer number of kids taking the test) but you’re right, it’s probably not a normally distributed population and that has a pretty big impact on inference in the sparse part of the distribution. Nonstandard standard errors… what’s the modal score? It’s a 2 right?

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Anonymous wrote:CAPE is not inconsequential. It is the only widely standradized test that parents in DC have to see if their kid is working below, on, or above grade level. It also shows where your kid stands against all other kids in the city.

Now let me preface this by saying kids in DC are doing very poorly academically so the bar is not high with comparisons. It would be much better if DC used a standardized test that many other states used so you can get at least a better sense of where your kid stands nationwide. That would be a big eye opener to say the least, and not in a positive way either.

It was a big eye opener for me when my kid reached high school and started taking SAT-suite tests. But not in the way you mean. My kid’s DC percentiles on the 8th grade PARCC (95th) were actually lower than their nationwide percentiles on the PSAT8/9 (99th).

The fact is that an average tells you nothing about the distribution. DC has a lot of struggling students, but it’s also very strong at the top.

Yes, I agree that DC has a lot of kids who are very strong at the top, which is not too surprising for a city that has so many high achievers and Ivy grads coming to work here. the high is very high and the low is deeply, depressingly low.

Did you really say that out loud???!!! You are suggesting that kids of people who graduated from Ivy's have an inherent advantage? Icky.

Kids of people who went to Ivys being likely to do better than average in standardized tests is… a secret? The quiet part? Have you never heard of genetics? Or of nurture? Like kid of good academic performer better than average at academic performance seems…
Obvious rather than scandalous?

A lot of people think Ivies don’t select on intelligence at all, and if you only looked at who went to ivies from DC, and that was the extent of your sample…intelligence wouldn’t be that strong a predictor of who got in.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CAPE is not inconsequential. It is the only widely standradized test that parents in DC have to see if their kid is working below, on, or above grade level. It also shows where your kid stands against all other kids in the city.

Now let me preface this by saying kids in DC are doing very poorly academically so the bar is not high with comparisons. It would be much better if DC used a standardized test that many other states used so you can get at least a better sense of where your kid stands nationwide. That would be a big eye opener to say the least, and not in a positive way either.

It was a big eye opener for me when my kid reached high school and started taking SAT-suite tests. But not in the way you mean. My kid’s DC percentiles on the 8th grade PARCC (95th) were actually lower than their nationwide percentiles on the PSAT8/9 (99th).

The fact is that an average tells you nothing about the distribution. DC has a lot of struggling students, but it’s also very strong at the top.

Yes, I agree that DC has a lot of kids who are very strong at the top, which is not too surprising for a city that has so many high achievers and Ivy grads coming to work here. the high is very high and the low is deeply, depressingly low.

Did you really say that out loud???!!! You are suggesting that kids of people who graduated from Ivy's have an inherent advantage? Icky.

Kids of people who went to Ivys being likely to do better than average in standardized tests is… a secret? The quiet part? Have you never heard of genetics? Or of nurture? Like kid of good academic performer better than average at academic performance seems…
Obvious rather than scandalous?

A lot of people think Ivies don’t select on intelligence at all, and if you only looked at who went to ivies from DC, and that was the extent of your sample…intelligence wouldn’t be that strong a predictor of who got in.

If you read the PP’s comment literally, as an argument that the children of people who went to Dartmouth and Cornell have a significant edge over the children of people who went to Stanford and Chicago, it’s nonsense. If you read the PP as using “Ivy” as a shorthand way of saying “highly educated,” it’s obviously true. SAT scores are even more closely correlated with parental education than with HHI, and the effect is bigger (maybe biggest) in DC proper.

(Data: https://reports.collegeboard.org/sat-suite-program-results/data-archive.)

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Anonymous wrote:CAPE is not inconsequential. It is the only widely standradized test that parents in DC have to see if their kid is working below, on, or above grade level. It also shows where your kid stands against all other kids in the city.

Now let me preface this by saying kids in DC are doing very poorly academically so the bar is not high with comparisons. It would be much better if DC used a standardized test that many other states used so you can get at least a better sense of where your kid stands nationwide. That would be a big eye opener to say the least, and not in a positive way either.

It was a big eye opener for me when my kid reached high school and started taking SAT-suite tests. But not in the way you mean. My kid’s DC percentiles on the 8th grade PARCC (95th) were actually lower than their nationwide percentiles on the PSAT8/9 (99th).

The fact is that an average tells you nothing about the distribution. DC has a lot of struggling students, but it’s also very strong at the top.

Yes, I agree that DC has a lot of kids who are very strong at the top, which is not too surprising for a city that has so many high achievers and Ivy grads coming to work here. the high is very high and the low is deeply, depressingly low.

Did you really say that out loud???!!! You are suggesting that kids of people who graduated from Ivy's have an inherent advantage? Icky.

Kids of people who went to Ivys being likely to do better than average in standardized tests is… a secret? The quiet part? Have you never heard of genetics? Or of nurture? Like kid of good academic performer better than average at academic performance seems…
Obvious rather than scandalous?

A lot of people think Ivies don’t select on intelligence at all, and if you only looked at who went to ivies from DC, and that was the extent of your sample…intelligence wouldn’t be that strong a predictor of who got in.

If you read the PP’s comment literally, as an argument that the children of people who went to Dartmouth and Cornell have a significant edge over the children of people who went to Stanford and Chicago, it’s nonsense. If you read the PP as using “Ivy” as a shorthand way of saying “highly educated,” it’s obviously true. SAT scores are even more closely correlated with parental education than with HHI, and the effect is bigger (maybe biggest) in DC proper.

(Data: https://reports.collegeboard.org/sat-suite-program-results/data-archive.)

Even if you read PP's comment literally, it's comparing Ivy league grads to EVERYONE else... not the other most selective colleges in the US. This sort of pedantry is what drives everyone insane about DCUM. The comment was straightforward and obviously correct. It was not an attack on Stanford.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DCUM is so weird. Missing a 4 by a handful of points (once) on one subject is not a big deal. Maybe your child is good at reading but still needs some work on their writing. It is also a multi-day test so maybe the kid just had an off day. The my child has only ever gotten 5s anything less would be catastrophic posters are so much weirder.

A couple things here.

Performance on demand is a pretty critical part of life. I it’s important to know if my kid is just a practice all star and freezes in game, and it’s important to know why. You can work on that.

That’s especially true when the bar is pretty low, like it is with PARCC. My kid doesn’t get a 5 on his APs? That’s fine. My kid gets a 3 on PARCC? That’s not at grade level and I don’t know if you’ve looked at the testing standards but those standards are low. It’s less than literate for ELA, for starters.

Uh, this is BS. I care about my kids test scores, but it's more of a reflection of whether they slept well the night before or made the effort than how they will perform in life. What is the major consequence of scoring poorly on PARCC/CAPE? Lack of bragging rights?

Do you also feel that way about the SATs? MCAT? Bar exam?

Life is full of high stakes days. Yes, you can retake them... But then you have another high stakes day. Doing well on tests is a valuable life skill.

MCATs and LSATs are absolutely consequential. CAPE is not. I know how well my kid is faring in school as an involved parent. DC is already attending Banneker/Basis/SWW. DC prepped for the PSATs even, but walked in and took the CAPE assessments blindly. The results will be interesting enough, but will have zero bearing on future outcomes.

CAPE is not meant for future outcomes. Its a tool to use to gauge if your kid is actually learning what he needs to learn at grade level currently or recently.

PP above just made a point that if your kid doesn’t do well on standardized testing then that will be a big factor in the future where there are even bigger ones.

I'm countering that by saying that its not a make or break test. Therefore, it can also reflect how seriously kids in our city are actually taking the exam. My kid probably has 4/5s, but I know that a 3 probably is more a reflection of poor sleep or effort than her not reading on grade level. She may have been focused on completing a paper the night before or some other requirement. There are also other kids in the city who might/will probably get bored during testing and start phoning it in. Again, it's not a requirement for promotion to the next grade. What's the incentive to truly try your best? Fwiw, there are some schools where teachers have had students even take a nap during portions of the test. I am not defending this behavior at all, but I'm pointing out that a test without any tie to a future outcome might not be well respected by all students. FYI, I believe this also reflects in SAT scores for schools that sending relatively few kids to college.

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Anonymous wrote:CAPE is not inconsequential. It is the only widely standradized test that parents in DC have to see if their kid is working below, on, or above grade level. It also shows where your kid stands against all other kids in the city.

Now let me preface this by saying kids in DC are doing very poorly academically so the bar is not high with comparisons. It would be much better if DC used a standardized test that many other states used so you can get at least a better sense of where your kid stands nationwide. That would be a big eye opener to say the least, and not in a positive way either.

It was a big eye opener for me when my kid reached high school and started taking SAT-suite tests. But not in the way you mean. My kid’s DC percentiles on the 8th grade PARCC (95th) were actually lower than their nationwide percentiles on the PSAT8/9 (99th).

The fact is that an average tells you nothing about the distribution. DC has a lot of struggling students, but it’s also very strong at the top.

Yes, I agree that DC has a lot of kids who are very strong at the top, which is not too surprising for a city that has so many high achievers and Ivy grads coming to work here. the high is very high and the low is deeply, depressingly low.

Did you really say that out loud???!!! You are suggesting that kids of people who graduated from Ivy's have an inherent advantage? Icky.

Kids of people who went to Ivys being likely to do better than average in standardized tests is… a secret? The quiet part? Have you never heard of genetics? Or of nurture? Like kid of good academic performer better than average at academic performance seems…
Obvious rather than scandalous?

A lot of people think Ivies don’t select on intelligence at all, and if you only looked at who went to ivies from DC, and that was the extent of your sample…intelligence wouldn’t be that strong a predictor of who got in.

Dumbest comment in DCUM today.

Congrats!

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Anonymous wrote:DCUM is so weird. Missing a 4 by a handful of points (once) on one subject is not a big deal. Maybe your child is good at reading but still needs some work on their writing. It is also a multi-day test so maybe the kid just had an off day. The my child has only ever gotten 5s anything less would be catastrophic posters are so much weirder.

A couple things here.

Performance on demand is a pretty critical part of life. I it’s important to know if my kid is just a practice all star and freezes in game, and it’s important to know why. You can work on that.

That’s especially true when the bar is pretty low, like it is with PARCC. My kid doesn’t get a 5 on his APs? That’s fine. My kid gets a 3 on PARCC? That’s not at grade level and I don’t know if you’ve looked at the testing standards but those standards are low. It’s less than literate for ELA, for starters.

Uh, this is BS. I care about my kids test scores, but it's more of a reflection of whether they slept well the night before or made the effort than how they will perform in life. What is the major consequence of scoring poorly on PARCC/CAPE? Lack of bragging rights?

Do you also feel that way about the SATs? MCAT? Bar exam?

Life is full of high stakes days. Yes, you can retake them... But then you have another high stakes day. Doing well on tests is a valuable life skill.

MCATs and LSATs are absolutely consequential. CAPE is not. I know how well my kid is faring in school as an involved parent. DC is already attending Banneker/Basis/SWW. DC prepped for the PSATs even, but walked in and took the CAPE assessments blindly. The results will be interesting enough, but will have zero bearing on future outcomes.

CAPE is not meant for future outcomes. Its a tool to use to gauge if your kid is actually learning what he needs to learn at grade level currently or recently.

PP above just made a point that if your kid doesn’t do well on standardized testing then that will be a big factor in the future where there are even bigger ones.

I'm countering that by saying that its not a make or break test. Therefore, it can also reflect how seriously kids in our city are actually taking the exam. My kid probably has 4/5s, but I know that a 3 probably is more a reflection of poor sleep or effort than her not reading on grade level. She may have been focused on completing a paper the night before or some other requirement. There are also other kids in the city who might/will probably get bored during testing and start phoning it in. Again, it's not a requirement for promotion to the next grade. What's the incentive to truly try your best? Fwiw, there are some schools where teachers have had students even take a nap during portions of the test. I am not defending this behavior at all, but I'm pointing out that a test without any tie to a future outcome might not be well respected by all students. FYI, I believe this also reflects in SAT scores for schools that sending relatively few kids to college.

I’m sorry but if your kid needs some type of reward or incentive to try their best for anything or don’t give a crap about their teachers or school which are heavily tied to the test, then you have bigger problems then the CAPE.

There are lots of things in life where we do things with no reward and for the good of the group. If you can’t see that and give a pass to your kid, that also says a lot about your parenting.