STEM flagships

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Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...

U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?

False premise. As someone else indicated, top Virginia STEM talent does not go to Virginia Tech. Some of it does, but certainly not most. A higher number of TJ grads go to UVA and W&M than to VT, and TJ is the top STEM high school in the state.

Please post your citations.
DP

NP. This is TJ from last year (beginning on page 18). VT may get more in 2024 since they got rid of the silly ED.
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/2023seniorissue

WM - 24
VT - 23
And no doubt more this year, as you said. Not really making the PP’s claim that more TJ grads go to WM than VT.

Last 5 years looks like this for TJ graduates: 207 to UVA, 132 to W&M, 82 to VT. Using a single year is subject to greater variability.

But also consider it this way -- VT has 1.8X as many undergraduates as UVA and 4.6X as many as W&M. Proportionally more should be going to VT, but that hasn't happened.

Please stop posting numbers without citations to back them up. You might as well be making them up.

https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/2023seniorissue
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/senior_issue_2022_combined
https://www.tjtoday.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/SeniorIssue.pdf
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2020
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2019_for_web

Keep in mind VT has a bias against TJ applicants and doesn't accept them as much as one would expect.

I agree 100%, BUT with VT pulling the plug on ED, I'm guessing the numbers will be significantly higher beginning this year. FYI, I'm neither a Tech nor TJ alum/parent.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s because many people feel threatened by VT’s climb in popularity and selectivity. They have a hard time accepting that some kids prefer it to UVA and many STEM kids see it as the better instate choice. I say this as a UVA grad myself and I see VT as the school I’d want my engineering child to attend.

Nope. Not threatened. Mine are at ivy/T10. VT really does yield only the barely above average from the top privates in our area. I am judging it by the pre-TO and current SAT and gpa and lower math path kids they accept compared to UVA, for stem and non-stem. They simply do not have the peer set we wanted for our kids, even as a backup, not even close. Then there are the above avg kids who end up there from our school (WL at Uva and WM) and say it is EASY. In Engineering. That fact makes it not a good fit for many students who come from intense stem high schools. Glad to see the TJ parents on here agree. TJ is not in our area.

DP. Nope, this person isn't threatened at ALL ^^. You have posted this nonsense before and it's so obvious what your real intent is. I'm glad that even after being rejected from VT, your kids were able to find their "peer set."

Believe what you want. Mine did not apply to VT and neither do the rest of the top Stem kids at magnets and privates. It is not considered a good school compared to Uva . It just is not. Multiple people have said the same on here. You just do not want to believe how the intellectual set sees VT

Oh my. With every post you just make yourself look worse. “The intellectual set”? Now I know you’re trolling.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s because many people feel threatened by VT’s climb in popularity and selectivity. They have a hard time accepting that some kids prefer it to UVA and many STEM kids see it as the better instate choice. I say this as a UVA grad myself and I see VT as the school I’d want my engineering child to attend.

Nope. Not threatened. Mine are at ivy/T10. VT really does yield only the barely above average from the top privates in our area. I am judging it by the pre-TO and current SAT and gpa and lower math path kids they accept compared to UVA, for stem and non-stem. They simply do not have the peer set we wanted for our kids, even as a backup, not even close. Then there are the above avg kids who end up there from our school (WL at Uva and WM) and say it is EASY. In Engineering. That fact makes it not a good fit for many students who come from intense stem high schools. Glad to see the TJ parents on here agree. TJ is not in our area.

DP. Nope, this person isn't threatened at ALL ^^. You have posted this nonsense before and it's so obvious what your real intent is. I'm glad that even after being rejected from VT, your kids were able to find their "peer set."

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Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...

U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?

Please get serious. VT is much lower ranked than UVA for CS, probably for engineering as well, and UVA isn't really that great for either.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s because many people feel threatened by VT’s climb in popularity and selectivity. They have a hard time accepting that some kids prefer it to UVA and many STEM kids see it as the better instate choice. I say this as a UVA grad myself and I see VT as the school I’d want my engineering child to attend.

Nope. Not threatened. Mine are at ivy/T10. VT really does yield only the barely above average from the top privates in our area. I am judging it by the pre-TO and current SAT and gpa and lower math path kids they accept compared to UVA, for stem and non-stem. They simply do not have the peer set we wanted for our kids, even as a backup, not even close. Then there are the above avg kids who end up there from our school (WL at Uva and WM) and say it is EASY. In Engineering. That fact makes it not a good fit for many students who come from intense stem high schools. Glad to see the TJ parents on here agree. TJ is not in our area.

DP. Nope, this person isn't threatened at ALL ^^. You have posted this nonsense before and it's so obvious what your real intent is. I'm glad that even after being rejected from VT, your kids were able to find their "peer set."

Don't do that. That's the kind of response that has set DCUM against other schools.

Honestly, there’s no other explanation for why someone who is so clearly far superior (in their own mind) to everyone else here, coming to a thread about state schools and insisting they wanted a “better peer set” for their kids. I don’t know about you, but I refrain from making claims and remarks about a school my kids (supposedly) didn’t apply to or have anything to do with. Why would someone feel the need to do that - unless they had been personally disappointed by a rejection and were still bitter? So very childish and immature.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And I’ll add that many UVA people start off with a chip on their shoulder about their child attending a state school. They are the same cringey people that have to say it’s a public ivy. They simply can’t accept that another state school is in the same realm of choices as UVA. And God forbid it’s the better choice for STEM.

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But I think VT is an excellent choice for far more than just STEM.

If you don't mind, being at the number 40th ranked STEM school, then VT is a fine choice

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Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...

U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?

False premise. As someone else indicated, top Virginia STEM talent does not go to Virginia Tech. Some of it does, but certainly not most. A higher number of TJ grads go to UVA and W&M than to VT, and TJ is the top STEM high school in the state.

Please post your citations.
DP

NP. This is TJ from last year (beginning on page 18). VT may get more in 2024 since they got rid of the silly ED.
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/2023seniorissue

WM - 24
VT - 23
And no doubt more this year, as you said. Not really making the PP’s claim that more TJ grads go to WM than VT.

Last 5 years looks like this for TJ graduates: 207 to UVA, 132 to W&M, 82 to VT. Using a single year is subject to greater variability.

But also consider it this way -- VT has 1.8X as many undergraduates as UVA and 4.6X as many as W&M. Proportionally more should be going to VT, but that hasn't happened.

Please stop posting numbers without citations to back them up. You might as well be making them up.

https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/2023seniorissue
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/senior_issue_2022_combined
https://www.tjtoday.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/SeniorIssue.pdf
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2020
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2019_for_web

Keep in mind VT has a bias against TJ applicants and doesn't accept them as much as one would expect.

DP. And I’m beginning to see why.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...

U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?

Please get serious. VT is much lower ranked than UVA for CS, probably for engineering as well, and UVA isn't really that great for either.

DP. Sorry, no. UVA is far, far behind VT in Engineering:

VT - 13
UVA - 37

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate

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Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...

U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?

False premise. As someone else indicated, top Virginia STEM talent does not go to Virginia Tech. Some of it does, but certainly not most. A higher number of TJ grads go to UVA and W&M than to VT, and TJ is the top STEM high school in the state.

Please post your citations.
DP

NP. This is TJ from last year (beginning on page 18). VT may get more in 2024 since they got rid of the silly ED.
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/2023seniorissue

WM - 24
VT - 23
And no doubt more this year, as you said. Not really making the PP’s claim that more TJ grads go to WM than VT.

Last 5 years looks like this for TJ graduates: 207 to UVA, 132 to W&M, 82 to VT. Using a single year is subject to greater variability.

But also consider it this way -- VT has 1.8X as many undergraduates as UVA and 4.6X as many as W&M. Proportionally more should be going to VT, but that hasn't happened.

Please stop posting numbers without citations to back them up. You might as well be making them up.

https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/2023seniorissue
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/senior_issue_2022_combined
https://www.tjtoday.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/SeniorIssue.pdf
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2020
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2019_for_web

Keep in mind VT has a bias against TJ applicants and doesn't accept them as much as one would expect.

I agree 100%, BUT with VT pulling the plug on ED, I'm guessing the numbers will be significantly higher beginning this year. FYI, I'm neither a Tech nor TJ alum/parent.

OK. But I think if Georgia Tech was in Virginia, it would get a much more significant percentage of TJ graduates.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And I’ll add that many UVA people start off with a chip on their shoulder about their child attending a state school. They are the same cringey people that have to say it’s a public ivy. They simply can’t accept that another state school is in the same realm of choices as UVA. And God forbid it’s the better choice for STEM.

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But I think VT is an excellent choice for far more than just STEM.

If you don't mind, being at the number 40th ranked STEM school, then VT is a fine choice

Source? The PP said “for more than just STEM,” which is absolutely accurate. VT is the #20 public school in the US, so yes - I’m very happy with that, thanks!
DP

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/virginia-tech-3754

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Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...

U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?

False premise. As someone else indicated, top Virginia STEM talent does not go to Virginia Tech. Some of it does, but certainly not most. A higher number of TJ grads go to UVA and W&M than to VT, and TJ is the top STEM high school in the state.

Please post your citations.
DP

NP. This is TJ from last year (beginning on page 18). VT may get more in 2024 since they got rid of the silly ED.
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/2023seniorissue

WM - 24
VT - 23
And no doubt more this year, as you said. Not really making the PP’s claim that more TJ grads go to WM than VT.

Last 5 years looks like this for TJ graduates: 207 to UVA, 132 to W&M, 82 to VT. Using a single year is subject to greater variability.

But also consider it this way -- VT has 1.8X as many undergraduates as UVA and 4.6X as many as W&M. Proportionally more should be going to VT, but that hasn't happened.

Please stop posting numbers without citations to back them up. You might as well be making them up.

https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/2023seniorissue
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/senior_issue_2022_combined
https://www.tjtoday.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/SeniorIssue.pdf
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2020
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2019_for_web

Keep in mind VT has a bias against TJ applicants and doesn't accept them as much as one would expect.

I agree 100%, BUT with VT pulling the plug on ED, I'm guessing the numbers will be significantly higher beginning this year. FYI, I'm neither a Tech nor TJ alum/parent.

OK. But I think if Georgia Tech was in Virginia, it would get a much more significant percentage of TJ graduates.

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[Anonymous]

VT is not Virginia's de facto STEM Flagship. It is Virginia's original Land Grant school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:VT is not Virginia's de facto STEM Flagship. It is Virginia's original Land Grant school

Really not sure what your point is? VT is an excellent school for many majors, including STEM. The whole flagship argument is silly and means nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:VT is not Virginia's de facto STEM Flagship. It is Virginia's original Land Grant school

Really not sure what your point is? VT is an excellent school for many majors, including STEM. The whole flagship argument is silly and means nothing.

Read the original post.

[Anonymous]

Virginia Tech only has about 3.2% of undergraduates getting degrees in Mathematics and Statistics and Physical Sciences. That is extremely low for any school presenting itself as an-across-the-board STEM school. Comparable numbers are 26% at Caltech, 20% at Harvard, 17% at MIT, 14.5% at UCSB, 10.5% at Stanford, 10% at UCLA, 9% at Princeton, 8% at Berkeley, 7.9% at UCSD, etc. (Even UVA is higher at 4% and W&M is 8.5%).