STEM flagships

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Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...

U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?

Flawed premise. The top talent in all STEM, which includes Chem, math, bio, commonly go to UVA if they want to stay in STATE, or William&Mary, for better fit if UVA is too big. VT does not win the brightest STEM kids in a head to head if they are also accepted to UVA . VT never gets top 10% kids from TJ or MW or any of the STEM magnet publics or any of the top 15 private schools in the state of Virginia, unless those students do not get in elsewhere. Many top engineering students choose UVA or VT, unless they get into somewhere better: our of state! Top 10% kids aiming for Engineering at these top high schools leave the state of Virginia in droves, and for anyone who qualifies for financial aid, they pay the same or LESS net price to go to ivies/Stanford/Duke/Northwestern than they do in state, so why would they stay? Full pay STEM/engineering geniuses leave Virginia for GTech, Berkeley, Michigan, or T10/ivies unless they do not get in to those.

Disagree. And I'm talking about the kids who stay. No one is saying VT is better than MIT.

VT might attract engineering majors but it’s not where top STEM talent goes in state. Both UVA and W&M attract stronger students interested in science and math.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Land grant universities - created to provide a practical education in ag and mechanical subjects especially, are sometimes what you’re thinking of. https://www.aplu.org/about-us/history-of-aplu/what-is-a-land-grant-university/

Ohio State, Penn State and Rutgers are land grants, as are Purdue, Iowa State, VT, Michigan State, NC State, etc. Today, the land grants are often very strong in engineering and agriculture.

Interesting, Cornell is a land grant university like MSU, WVU, PSU, VT, NCST etc.

Must be why it's the only ivy I'd consider for stem

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...

U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?

Flawed premise. The top talent in all STEM, which includes Chem, math, bio, commonly go to UVA if they want to stay in STATE, or William&Mary, for better fit if UVA is too big. VT does not win the brightest STEM kids in a head to head if they are also accepted to UVA . VT never gets top 10% kids from TJ or MW or any of the STEM magnet publics or any of the top 15 private schools in the state of Virginia, unless those students do not get in elsewhere. Many top engineering students choose UVA or VT, unless they get into somewhere better: our of state! Top 10% kids aiming for Engineering at these top high schools leave the state of Virginia in droves, and for anyone who qualifies for financial aid, they pay the same or LESS net price to go to ivies/Stanford/Duke/Northwestern than they do in state, so why would they stay? Full pay STEM/engineering geniuses leave Virginia for GTech, Berkeley, Michigan, or T10/ivies unless they do not get in to those.

Disagree. And I'm talking about the kids who stay. No one is saying VT is better than MIT.

VT might attract engineering majors but it’s not where top STEM talent goes in state. Both UVA and W&M attract stronger students interested in science and math.

Disagree. VT is stronger in engineering, cs, math, stats, and physics. That you even brought WM into the conversation discredits you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Land grant universities - created to provide a practical education in ag and mechanical subjects especially, are sometimes what you’re thinking of. https://www.aplu.org/about-us/history-of-aplu/what-is-a-land-grant-university/

Ohio State, Penn State and Rutgers are land grants, as are Purdue, Iowa State, VT, Michigan State, NC State, etc. Today, the land grants are often very strong in engineering and agriculture.

Interesting, Cornell is a land grant university like MSU, WVU, PSU, VT, NCST etc.

Must be why it's the only ivy I'd consider for stem

Yep. Traditionally, STEM subjects like engineering were regarded as trades that were beneath the elites that populated the Ivies. Which is why the Ivies are mostly woefully behind in STEM. For a very long time, it was a class thing. In the meantime, other privates like MIT, Stanford, Rice, Duke, CalTech, and Northwestern invested much more wisely in their STEM programs. And of course the public universities were there all along. No school has sent more astronauts into space than Purdue. And many of the publics continue to dominate that space - Georgia Tech, UIUC, Berkeley, Michigan, Maryland, Texas and others. Besides Cornell - a land grant university that exists to educate the public - the Ivies, with the exception of some math programs, are mostly pretty mediocre in STEM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Land grant universities - created to provide a practical education in ag and mechanical subjects especially, are sometimes what you’re thinking of. https://www.aplu.org/about-us/history-of-aplu/what-is-a-land-grant-university/

Ohio State, Penn State and Rutgers are land grants, as are Purdue, Iowa State, VT, Michigan State, NC State, etc. Today, the land grants are often very strong in engineering and agriculture.

Interesting, Cornell is a land grant university like MSU, WVU, PSU, VT, NCST etc.

Must be why it's the only ivy I'd consider for stem

Yep. Traditionally, STEM subjects like engineering were regarded as trades that were beneath the elites that populated the Ivies. Which is why the Ivies are mostly woefully behind in STEM. For a very long time, it was a class thing. In the meantime, other privates like MIT, Stanford, Rice, Duke, CalTech, and Northwestern invested much more wisely in their STEM programs. And of course the public universities were there all along. No school has sent more astronauts into space than Purdue. And many of the publics continue to dominate that space - Georgia Tech, UIUC, Berkeley, Michigan, Maryland, Texas and others. Besides Cornell - a land grant university that exists to educate the public - the Ivies, with the exception of some math programs, are mostly pretty mediocre in STEM.

Does anyone even know what is in STEM?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pitt is Penn State's STEM counterpart

Disagree. Pitt is a more liberal arts/humanities/social science oriented school than Penn State. Both are good at engineering. Pitt might be a little more obvious for pre-med but some might debate that.

Pitt is city, sports less important than school, and skews Western PA. PSU is an isolated campus, football-centric, and more for all parts of PA before any question of science comes into it.

It seems like Pitt attracts OOS for science but I don't think the locals make their decisions that way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...

U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?

For PA, the student stats for Pitt are quite a bit higher than PSU, but PSU has a stronger engineering program, so it might be Pitt/PSU. For Michigan, UM is stronger across the board, including STEM. I’d probably say the same thing for UT. UNC/NC State seems like almost the exact same split as UVA/VT. Perhaps Oregon/Oregon State.

I agree with almost everything you said except for TX. A&M is definitely where the strongest STEM programs/students are in TX.

UT is stronger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...

U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?

Flawed premise. The top talent in all STEM, which includes Chem, math, bio, commonly go to UVA if they want to stay in STATE, or William&Mary, for better fit if UVA is too big. VT does not win the brightest STEM kids in a head to head if they are also accepted to UVA . VT never gets top 10% kids from TJ or MW or any of the STEM magnet publics or any of the top 15 private schools in the state of Virginia, unless those students do not get in elsewhere. Many top engineering students choose UVA or VT, unless they get into somewhere better: our of state! Top 10% kids aiming for Engineering at these top high schools leave the state of Virginia in droves, and for anyone who qualifies for financial aid, they pay the same or LESS net price to go to ivies/Stanford/Duke/Northwestern than they do in state, so why would they stay? Full pay STEM/engineering geniuses leave Virginia for GTech, Berkeley, Michigan, or T10/ivies unless they do not get in to those.

Disagree. And I'm talking about the kids who stay. No one is saying VT is better than MIT.

VT might attract engineering majors but it’s not where top STEM talent goes in state. Both UVA and W&M attract stronger students interested in science and math.

Disagree. VT is stronger in engineering, cs, math, stats, and physics. That you even brought WM into the conversation discredits you.

A lot more TJ graduates go to UVA and W&M than to VT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...

U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?

Flawed premise. The top talent in all STEM, which includes Chem, math, bio, commonly go to UVA if they want to stay in STATE, or William&Mary, for better fit if UVA is too big. VT does not win the brightest STEM kids in a head to head if they are also accepted to UVA . VT never gets top 10% kids from TJ or MW or any of the STEM magnet publics or any of the top 15 private schools in the state of Virginia, unless those students do not get in elsewhere. Many top engineering students choose UVA or VT, unless they get into somewhere better: our of state! Top 10% kids aiming for Engineering at these top high schools leave the state of Virginia in droves, and for anyone who qualifies for financial aid, they pay the same or LESS net price to go to ivies/Stanford/Duke/Northwestern than they do in state, so why would they stay? Full pay STEM/engineering geniuses leave Virginia for GTech, Berkeley, Michigan, or T10/ivies unless they do not get in to those.

Disagree. And I'm talking about the kids who stay. No one is saying VT is better than MIT.

VT might attract engineering majors but it’s not where top STEM talent goes in state. Both UVA and W&M attract stronger students interested in science and math.

The ignorance of this poster is staggering.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...

U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?

Flawed premise. The top talent in all STEM, which includes Chem, math, bio, commonly go to UVA if they want to stay in STATE, or William&Mary, for better fit if UVA is too big. VT does not win the brightest STEM kids in a head to head if they are also accepted to UVA . VT never gets top 10% kids from TJ or MW or any of the STEM magnet publics or any of the top 15 private schools in the state of Virginia, unless those students do not get in elsewhere. Many top engineering students choose UVA or VT, unless they get into somewhere better: our of state! Top 10% kids aiming for Engineering at these top high schools leave the state of Virginia in droves, and for anyone who qualifies for financial aid, they pay the same or LESS net price to go to ivies/Stanford/Duke/Northwestern than they do in state, so why would they stay? Full pay STEM/engineering geniuses leave Virginia for GTech, Berkeley, Michigan, or T10/ivies unless they do not get in to those.

Disagree. And I'm talking about the kids who stay. No one is saying VT is better than MIT.

VT might attract engineering majors but it’s not where top STEM talent goes in state. Both UVA and W&M attract stronger students interested in science and math.

Disagree. VT is stronger in engineering, cs, math, stats, and physics. That you even brought WM into the conversation discredits you.

+100
Seriously, this has got to be a troll - and not even a good one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...

U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?

Flawed premise. The top talent in all STEM, which includes Chem, math, bio, commonly go to UVA if they want to stay in STATE, or William&Mary, for better fit if UVA is too big. VT does not win the brightest STEM kids in a head to head if they are also accepted to UVA . VT never gets top 10% kids from TJ or MW or any of the STEM magnet publics or any of the top 15 private schools in the state of Virginia, unless those students do not get in elsewhere. Many top engineering students choose UVA or VT, unless they get into somewhere better: our of state! Top 10% kids aiming for Engineering at these top high schools leave the state of Virginia in droves, and for anyone who qualifies for financial aid, they pay the same or LESS net price to go to ivies/Stanford/Duke/Northwestern than they do in state, so why would they stay? Full pay STEM/engineering geniuses leave Virginia for GTech, Berkeley, Michigan, or T10/ivies unless they do not get in to those.

Disagree. And I'm talking about the kids who stay. No one is saying VT is better than MIT.

VT might attract engineering majors but it’s not where top STEM talent goes in state. Both UVA and W&M attract stronger students interested in science and math.

Disagree. VT is stronger in engineering, cs, math, stats, and physics. That you even brought WM into the conversation discredits you.

+100
Seriously, this has got to be a troll - and not even a good one.

VT does E, not STEM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...

U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?

Flawed premise. The top talent in all STEM, which includes Chem, math, bio, commonly go to UVA if they want to stay in STATE, or William&Mary, for better fit if UVA is too big. VT does not win the brightest STEM kids in a head to head if they are also accepted to UVA . VT never gets top 10% kids from TJ or MW or any of the STEM magnet publics or any of the top 15 private schools in the state of Virginia, unless those students do not get in elsewhere. Many top engineering students choose UVA or VT, unless they get into somewhere better: our of state! Top 10% kids aiming for Engineering at these top high schools leave the state of Virginia in droves, and for anyone who qualifies for financial aid, they pay the same or LESS net price to go to ivies/Stanford/Duke/Northwestern than they do in state, so why would they stay? Full pay STEM/engineering geniuses leave Virginia for GTech, Berkeley, Michigan, or T10/ivies unless they do not get in to those.

Disagree. And I'm talking about the kids who stay. No one is saying VT is better than MIT.

VT might attract engineering majors but it’s not where top STEM talent goes in state. Both UVA and W&M attract stronger students interested in science and math.

Disagree. VT is stronger in engineering, cs, math, stats, and physics. That you even brought WM into the conversation discredits you.

A lot more TJ graduates go to UVA and W&M than to VT.

Not a Tech booster buy any means, but I think their TJ numbers will jump significantly this year. Finally realized they don't need ED. I'm wondering if it could be to the detriment of UMD who would enroll 30+ TJ kids a year. I say this as a Terp parent from non-TJ FCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...

U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?

Flawed premise. The top talent in all STEM, which includes Chem, math, bio, commonly go to UVA if they want to stay in STATE, or William&Mary, for better fit if UVA is too big. VT does not win the brightest STEM kids in a head to head if they are also accepted to UVA . VT never gets top 10% kids from TJ or MW or any of the STEM magnet publics or any of the top 15 private schools in the state of Virginia, unless those students do not get in elsewhere. Many top engineering students choose UVA or VT, unless they get into somewhere better: our of state! Top 10% kids aiming for Engineering at these top high schools leave the state of Virginia in droves, and for anyone who qualifies for financial aid, they pay the same or LESS net price to go to ivies/ Stanford/Duke/Northwestern than they do in state, so why would they stay? Full pay STEM/engineering geniuses leave Virginia for GTech, Berkeley, Michigan, or T10/ivies unless they do not get in to those.

Disagree. And I'm talking about the kids who stay. No one is saying VT is better than MIT.

VT might attract engineering majors but it’s not where top STEM talent goes in state. Both UVA and W&M attract stronger students interested in science and math.

Disagree. VT is stronger in engineering, cs, math, stats, and physics. That you even brought WM into the conversation discredits you.

+100
Seriously, this has got to be a troll - and not even a good one.

VT does E, not STEM.

Do you know what STEM stands for? Not to mention, there’s a lot more to VT than just STEM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...

U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?

Flawed premise. The top talent in all STEM, which includes Chem, math, bio, commonly go to UVA if they want to stay in STATE, or William&Mary, for better fit if UVA is too big. VT does not win the brightest STEM kids in a head to head if they are also accepted to UVA . VT never gets top 10% kids from TJ or MW or any of the STEM magnet publics or any of the top 15 private schools in the state of Virginia, unless those students do not get in elsewhere. Many top engineering students choose UVA or VT, unless they get into somewhere better: our of state! Top 10% kids aiming for Engineering at these top high schools leave the state of Virginia in droves, and for anyone who qualifies for financial aid, they pay the same or LESS net price to go to ivies/Stanford/Duke/Northwestern than they do in state, so why would they stay? Full pay STEM/engineering geniuses leave Virginia for GTech, Berkeley, Michigan, or T10/ivies unless they do not get in to those.

Disagree. And I'm talking about the kids who stay. No one is saying VT is better than MIT.

VT might attract engineering majors but it’s not where top STEM talent goes in state. Both UVA and W&M attract stronger students interested in science and math.

Disagree. VT is stronger in engineering, cs, math, stats, and physics. That you even brought WM into the conversation discredits you.

+100
Seriously, this has got to be a troll - and not even a good one.

VT does E, not STEM.

Wrong. There could possibly be an argument for other schools to have more rigorous bio or chem programs, but for everything else, VT is more rigorous with better course offerings and research opportunities. You could do a deep dive and compare course requirements and offerings and see for yourself. Regardless, though, I'm sure many will just follow the ranking on USNWR without regard for substance.

[Anonymous]

DC was a top of the class HS graduate. VA instate and CS major (yes, STEM is more than CS). DC accepted at UVA and VT. Wouldn’t even visit UVA or VT. Ended up at an OOS public. Ultimately it was cheaper than UVA or VT too.