STEM flagships

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Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...

U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?

False premise. As someone else indicated, top Virginia STEM talent does not go to Virginia Tech. Some of it does, but certainly not most. A higher number of TJ grads go to UVA and W&M than to VT, and TJ is the top STEM high school in the state.

Please post your citations.
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NP. This is TJ from last year (beginning on page 18). VT may get more in 2024 since they got rid of the silly ED.
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/2023seniorissue

WM - 24
VT - 23
And no doubt more this year, as you said. Not really making the PP’s claim that more TJ grads go to WM than VT.

Last 5 years looks like this for TJ graduates: 207 to UVA, 132 to W&M, 82 to VT. Using a single year is subject to greater variability.

But also consider it this way -- VT has 1.8X as many undergraduates as UVA and 4.6X as many as W&M. Proportionally more should be going to VT, but that hasn't happened.

Please stop posting numbers without citations to back them up. You might as well be making them up.

https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/2023seniorissue
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/senior_issue_2022_combined
https://www.tjtoday.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/SeniorIssue.pdf
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2020
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2019_for_web

Keep in mind VT has a bias against TJ applicants and doesn't accept them as much as one would expect.

Why would VT have a bias against a high school (in the same state) that may place more students in top college STEM programs than any other hogh school in the country?

VT doesn't have a bias against TJ. That's just what TJ parents say when their kids don't get in.

More TJ kids went to UMD than VT last year UMD is in another state and is more selective.

Show citations please. Because this sounds like pure BS.
DP

"Citations" already been shared in this reply thread. Pay attention.

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia Tech only has about 3.2% of undergraduates getting degrees in Mathematics and Statistics and Physical Sciences. That is extremely low for any school presenting itself as an-across-the-board STEM school. Comparable numbers are 26% at Caltech, 20% at Harvard, 17% at MIT, 14.5% at UCSB, 10.5% at Stanford, 10% at UCLA, 9% at Princeton, 8% at Berkeley, 7.9% at UCSD, etc. (Even UVA is higher at 4% and W&M is 8.5%).

Please stop throwing out stats without the citations to back them up.

VT isn’t *just* a STEM school, as other posters have pointed out. They are strong across the board in both STEM and the humanities.

You ask for citations and then immediately proceed to make completely unsubstantiated claims. That isn't consistent and shows bias.

What is inconsistent about the above post? Or unsubstantiated? VT is the #20 public school in the country. Obviously, it’s strong across the board.
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/virginia-tech-3754/overall-rankings

Nothing about that says it is strong across the board.

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia Tech only has about 3.2% of undergraduates getting degrees in Mathematics and Statistics and Physical Sciences. That is extremely low for any school presenting itself as an-across-the-board STEM school. Comparable numbers are 26% at Caltech, 20% at Harvard, 17% at MIT, 14.5% at UCSB, 10.5% at Stanford, 10% at UCLA, 9% at Princeton, 8% at Berkeley, 7.9% at UCSD, etc. (Even UVA is higher at 4% and W&M is 8.5%).

Please stop throwing out stats without the citations to back them up.

VT isn’t *just* a STEM school, as other posters have pointed out. They are strong across the board in both STEM and the humanities.

You ask for citations and then immediately proceed to make completely unsubstantiated claims. That isn't consistent and shows bias.

What is inconsistent about the above post? Or unsubstantiated? VT is the #20 public school in the country. Obviously, it’s strong across the board.
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/virginia-tech-3754/overall-rankings

You are claiming it is "obvious" that VT is strong across the board because it is ranked #20 among public schools by USNWR, but I'll bet you are one of those who will say UVA is "weak at STEM" despite being ranked #5 among public schools by USNWR. If so, that is inconsistent.

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Anonymous wrote:Pitt is Penn State's STEM counterpart

Disagree. Pitt is a more liberal arts/humanities/social science oriented school than Penn State. Both are good at engineering. Pitt might be a little more obvious for pre-med but some might debate that.

Pitt is city, sports less important than school, and skews Western PA. PSU is an isolated campus, football-centric, and more for all parts of PA before any question of science comes into it.

It seems like Pitt attracts OOS for science but I don't think the locals make their decisions that way.

Pitt is a huge sports school!

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia Tech only has about 3.2% of undergraduates getting degrees in Mathematics and Statistics and Physical Sciences. That is extremely low for any school presenting itself as an-across-the-board STEM school. Comparable numbers are 26% at Caltech, 20% at Harvard, 17% at MIT, 14.5% at UCSB, 10.5% at Stanford, 10% at UCLA, 9% at Princeton, 8% at Berkeley, 7.9% at UCSD, etc. (Even UVA is higher at 4% and W&M is 8.5%).

Please stop throwing out stats without the citations to back them up.

VT isn’t *just* a STEM school, as other posters have pointed out. They are strong across the board in both STEM and the humanities.

You ask for citations and then immediately proceed to make completely unsubstantiated claims. That isn't consistent and shows bias.

What is inconsistent about the above post? Or unsubstantiated? VT is the #20 public school in the country. Obviously, it’s strong across the board.
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/virginia-tech-3754/overall-rankings

You are claiming it is "obvious" that VT is strong across the board because it is ranked #20 among public schools by USNWR, but I'll bet you are one of those who will say UVA is "weak at STEM" despite being ranked #5 among public schools by USNWR. If so, that is inconsistent.

I have never said anything of the sort about UVA. I don't have an opinion on UVA at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia Tech only has about 3.2% of undergraduates getting degrees in Mathematics and Statistics and Physical Sciences. That is extremely low for any school presenting itself as an-across-the-board STEM school. Comparable numbers are 26% at Caltech, 20% at Harvard, 17% at MIT, 14.5% at UCSB, 10.5% at Stanford, 10% at UCLA, 9% at Princeton, 8% at Berkeley, 7.9% at UCSD, etc. (Even UVA is higher at 4% and W&M is 8.5%).

Please stop throwing out stats without the citations to back them up.

VT isn’t *just* a STEM school, as other posters have pointed out. They are strong across the board in both STEM and the humanities.

You ask for citations and then immediately proceed to make completely unsubstantiated claims. That isn't consistent and shows bias.

What is inconsistent about the above post? Or unsubstantiated? VT is the #20 public school in the country. Obviously, it’s strong across the board.
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/virginia-tech-3754/overall-rankings

Nothing about that says it is strong across the board.

DP. I'm going to go out on a limb and agree with the PP that a school ranked #20 of all public universities is clearly excellent across the board. You seem to have sour grapes so it's really not worth arguing with you about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia Tech only has about 3.2% of undergraduates getting degrees in Mathematics and Statistics and Physical Sciences. That is extremely low for any school presenting itself as an-across-the-board STEM school. Comparable numbers are 26% at Caltech, 20% at Harvard, 17% at MIT, 14.5% at UCSB, 10.5% at Stanford, 10% at UCLA, 9% at Princeton, 8% at Berkeley, 7.9% at UCSD, etc. (Even UVA is higher at 4% and W&M is 8.5%).

Please stop throwing out stats without the citations to back them up.

VT isn’t *just* a STEM school, as other posters have pointed out. They are strong across the board in both STEM and the humanities.

You ask for citations and then immediately proceed to make completely unsubstantiated claims. That isn't consistent and shows bias.

What is inconsistent about the above post? Or unsubstantiated? VT is the #20 public school in the country. Obviously, it’s strong across the board.
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/virginia-tech-3754/overall-rankings

Nothing about that says it is strong across the board.

DP. I'm going to go out on a limb and agree with the PP that a school ranked #20 of all public universities is clearly excellent across the board. You seem to have sour grapes so it's really not worth arguing with you about it.

You agreeing is not evidence.

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia Tech only has about 3.2% of undergraduates getting degrees in Mathematics and Statistics and Physical Sciences. That is extremely low for any school presenting itself as an-across-the-board STEM school. Comparable numbers are 26% at Caltech, 20% at Harvard, 17% at MIT, 14.5% at UCSB, 10.5% at Stanford, 10% at UCLA, 9% at Princeton, 8% at Berkeley, 7.9% at UCSD, etc. (Even UVA is higher at 4% and W&M is 8.5%).

Please stop throwing out stats without the citations to back them up.

VT isn’t *just* a STEM school, as other posters have pointed out. They are strong across the board in both STEM and the humanities.

You ask for citations and then immediately proceed to make completely unsubstantiated claims. That isn't consistent and shows bias.

What is inconsistent about the above post? Or unsubstantiated? VT is the #20 public school in the country. Obviously, it’s strong across the board.
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/virginia-tech-3754/overall-rankings

Nothing about that says it is strong across the board.

DP. I'm going to go out on a limb and agree with the PP that a school ranked #20 of all public universities is clearly excellent across the board. You seem to have sour grapes so it's really not worth arguing with you about it.

Then UVA must be excellent at STEM since it is #5 and must have excellence across the board. Sauce for the gander. Go shout down anyone who says UVA is weak at STEM with your irreproachable logic.

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia Tech only has about 3.2% of undergraduates getting degrees in Mathematics and Statistics and Physical Sciences. That is extremely low for any school presenting itself as an-across-the-board STEM school. Comparable numbers are 26% at Caltech, 20% at Harvard, 17% at MIT, 14.5% at UCSB, 10.5% at Stanford, 10% at UCLA, 9% at Princeton, 8% at Berkeley, 7.9% at UCSD, etc. (Even UVA is higher at 4% and W&M is 8.5%).

Please stop throwing out stats without the citations to back them up.

VT isn’t *just* a STEM school, as other posters have pointed out. They are strong across the board in both STEM and the humanities.

You ask for citations and then immediately proceed to make completely unsubstantiated claims. That isn't consistent and shows bias.

What is inconsistent about the above post? Or unsubstantiated? VT is the #20 public school in the country. Obviously, it’s strong across the board.
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/virginia-tech-3754/overall-rankings

Nothing about that says it is strong across the board.

DP. I'm going to go out on a limb and agree with the PP that a school ranked #20 of all public universities is clearly excellent across the board. You seem to have sour grapes so it's really not worth arguing with you about it.

Then UVA must be excellent at STEM since it is #5 and must have excellence across the board. Sauce for the gander. Go shout down anyone who says UVA is weak at STEM with your irreproachable logic.

So bizarre… I have said nothing at all about UVA yet you are fixated on it. Typical.

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia Tech only has about 3.2% of undergraduates getting degrees in Mathematics and Statistics and Physical Sciences. That is extremely low for any school presenting itself as an-across-the-board STEM school. Comparable numbers are 26% at Caltech, 20% at Harvard, 17% at MIT, 14.5% at UCSB, 10.5% at Stanford, 10% at UCLA, 9% at Princeton, 8% at Berkeley, 7.9% at UCSD, etc. (Even UVA is higher at 4% and W&M is 8.5%).

Please stop throwing out stats without the citations to back them up.

VT isn’t *just* a STEM school, as other posters have pointed out. They are strong across the board in both STEM and the humanities.

You ask for citations and then immediately proceed to make completely unsubstantiated claims. That isn't consistent and shows bias.

What is inconsistent about the above post? Or unsubstantiated? VT is the #20 public school in the country. Obviously, it’s strong across the board.
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/virginia-tech-3754/overall-rankings

Nothing about that says it is strong across the board.

DP. I'm going to go out on a limb and agree with the PP that a school ranked #20 of all public universities is clearly excellent across the board. You seem to have sour grapes so it's really not worth arguing with you about it.

Then UVA must be excellent at STEM since it is #5 and must have excellence across the board. Sauce for the gander. Go shout down anyone who says UVA is weak at STEM with your irreproachable logic.

So bizarre… I have said nothing at all about UVA yet you are fixated on it. Typical.

That is beside the point. With your logic you would have to also claim that UVA is also obviously (more) excellent across the board including STEM, right as it is ranked #5, right?

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Virginia's "top STEM talent" doesn't attend VT.

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia's "top STEM talent" doesn't attend VT.

indeed. Many different people have tried to explain why and yet VT diehards do not believe data

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia Tech only has about 3.2% of undergraduates getting degrees in Mathematics and Statistics and Physical Sciences. That is extremely low for any school presenting itself as an-across-the-board STEM school. Comparable numbers are 26% at Caltech, 20% at Harvard, 17% at MIT, 14.5% at UCSB, 10.5% at Stanford, 10% at UCLA, 9% at Princeton, 8% at Berkeley, 7.9% at UCSD, etc. (Even UVA is higher at 4% and W&M is 8.5%).

Please stop throwing out stats without the citations to back them up.

VT isn’t *just* a STEM school, as other posters have pointed out. They are strong across the board in both STEM and the humanities.

You ask for citations and then immediately proceed to make completely unsubstantiated claims. That isn't consistent and shows bias.

What is inconsistent about the above post? Or unsubstantiated? VT is the #20 public school in the country. Obviously, it’s strong across the board.
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/virginia-tech-3754/overall-rankings

Nothing about that says it is strong across the board.

DP. I'm going to go out on a limb and agree with the PP that a school ranked #20 of all public universities is clearly excellent across the board. You seem to have sour grapes so it's really not worth arguing with you about it.

Then UVA must be excellent at STEM since it is #5 and must have excellence across the board. Sauce for the gander. Go shout down anyone who says UVA is weak at STEM with your irreproachable logic.

So bizarre… I have said nothing at all about UVA yet you are fixated on it. Typical.

That is beside the point. With your logic you would have to also claim that UVA is also obviously (more) excellent across the board including STEM, right as it is ranked #5, right?

DP. Are you the UVA booster/troll? I agree with the PP. You are absurd. No one is even discussing UVA here. Go sulk in a corner.

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Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...

U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?

False premise. As someone else indicated, top Virginia STEM talent does not go to Virginia Tech. Some of it does, but certainly not most. A higher number of TJ grads go to UVA and W&M than to VT, and TJ is the top STEM high school in the state.

Please post your citations.
DP

NP. This is TJ from last year (beginning on page 18). VT may get more in 2024 since they got rid of the silly ED.
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/2023seniorissue

WM - 24
VT - 23
And no doubt more this year, as you said. Not really making the PP’s claim that more TJ grads go to WM than VT.

Last 5 years looks like this for TJ graduates: 207 to UVA, 132 to W&M, 82 to VT. Using a single year is subject to greater variability.

But also consider it this way -- VT has 1.8X as many undergraduates as UVA and 4.6X as many as W&M. Proportionally more should be going to VT, but that hasn't happened.

Please stop posting numbers without citations to back them up. You might as well be making them up.

https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/2023seniorissue
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/senior_issue_2022_combined
https://www.tjtoday.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/SeniorIssue.pdf
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2020
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2019_for_web

Keep in mind VT has a bias against TJ applicants and doesn't accept them as much as one would expect.

Why would VT have a bias against a high school (in the same state) that may place more students in top college STEM programs than any other hogh school in the country?

VT doesn't have a bias against TJ. That's just what TJ parents say when their kids don't get in.

More TJ kids went to UMD than VT last year UMD is in another state and is more selective.

Show citations please. Because this sounds like pure BS.
DP

Why would it be BS? UMD is much, much, much closer to TJ than VT is. UMD is also closer to jobs and internships. And yes it costs more, for a Virginia resident, but a lot of TJ kids will get merit discounts that help close the gap. I don’t know if it’s true that more TJ kids go to UMD than VT, but it’s certainly plausible.

It was 29 to UMD last year and 23 to VT.

https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/2023seniorissue

Big Ten is huge draw.

It could be transient. Pitt had high numbers from TJ for a while but it dropped off. Michigan had a huge year a couple of years ago, but it dropped back.

As for VT, it seems it should draw more from TJ, but it has always been behind UVA and usually W&M.

Pitt went through a period where they gave away merit aid like candy. When that dried up, so did the draw of Pitt

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Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...

U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?

False premise. As someone else indicated, top Virginia STEM talent does not go to Virginia Tech. Some of it does, but certainly not most. A higher number of TJ grads go to UVA and W&M than to VT, and TJ is the top STEM high school in the state.

Please post your citations.
DP

NP. This is TJ from last year (beginning on page 18). VT may get more in 2024 since they got rid of the silly ED.
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/2023seniorissue

WM - 24
VT - 23
And no doubt more this year, as you said. Not really making the PP’s claim that more TJ grads go to WM than VT.

Last 5 years looks like this for TJ graduates: 207 to UVA, 132 to W&M, 82 to VT. Using a single year is subject to greater variability.

But also consider it this way -- VT has 1.8X as many undergraduates as UVA and 4.6X as many as W&M. Proportionally more should be going to VT, but that hasn't happened.

Please stop posting numbers without citations to back them up. You might as well be making them up.

https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/2023seniorissue
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/senior_issue_2022_combined
https://www.tjtoday.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/SeniorIssue.pdf
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2020
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2019_for_web

Keep in mind VT has a bias against TJ applicants and doesn't accept them as much as one would expect.

Why would VT have a bias against a high school (in the same state) that may place more students in top college STEM programs than any other hogh school in the country?

VT doesn't have a bias against TJ. That's just what TJ parents say when their kids don't get in.

More TJ kids went to UMD than VT last year UMD is in another state and is more selective.

Show citations please. Because this sounds like pure BS.
DP

Why would it be BS? UMD is much, much, much closer to TJ than VT is. UMD is also closer to jobs and internships. And yes it costs more, for a Virginia resident, but a lot of TJ kids will get merit discounts that help close the gap. I don’t know if it’s true that more TJ kids go to UMD than VT, but it’s certainly plausible.

It was 29 to UMD last year and 23 to VT.

https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/2023seniorissue

Big Ten is huge draw.

It could be transient. Pitt had high numbers from TJ for a while but it dropped off. Michigan had a huge year a couple of years ago, but it dropped back.

As for VT, it seems it should draw more from TJ, but it has always been behind UVA and usually W&M.

Pitt went through a period where they gave away merit aid like candy. When that dried up, so did the draw of Pitt

NP 100%. Used to provide to high stat CS majors. Guess they don't need to anymore. Think A&S and engineering is still possible.