STEM flagships

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia Tech only has about 3.2% of undergraduates getting degrees in Mathematics and Statistics and Physical Sciences. That is extremely low for any school presenting itself as an-across-the-board STEM school. Comparable numbers are 26% at Caltech, 20% at Harvard, 17% at MIT, 14.5% at UCSB, 10.5% at Stanford, 10% at UCLA, 9% at Princeton, 8% at Berkeley, 7.9% at UCSD, etc. (Even UVA is higher at 4% and W&M is 8.5%).

Please stop throwing out stats without the citations to back them up.

VT isn’t *just* a STEM school, as other posters have pointed out. They are strong across the board in both STEM and the humanities.

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia Tech only has about 3.2% of undergraduates getting degrees in Mathematics and Statistics and Physical Sciences. That is extremely low for any school presenting itself as an-across-the-board STEM school. Comparable numbers are 26% at Caltech, 20% at Harvard, 17% at MIT, 14.5% at UCSB, 10.5% at Stanford, 10% at UCLA, 9% at Princeton, 8% at Berkeley, 7.9% at UCSD, etc. (Even UVA is higher at 4% and W&M is 8.5%).

Please stop throwing out stats without the citations to back them up.

VT isn’t *just* a STEM school, as other posters have pointed out. They are strong across the board in both STEM and the humanities.

This information is all in Common Data Sets which are readily accessible. Just Google.

I didn't question whether VT does more than STEM. I challenged the notion that it covers STEM as comprehensively as OP suggested.

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia Tech only has about 3.2% of undergraduates getting degrees in Mathematics and Statistics and Physical Sciences. That is extremely low for any school presenting itself as an-across-the-board STEM school. Comparable numbers are 26% at Caltech, 20% at Harvard, 17% at MIT, 14.5% at UCSB, 10.5% at Stanford, 10% at UCLA, 9% at Princeton, 8% at Berkeley, 7.9% at UCSD, etc. (Even UVA is higher at 4% and W&M is 8.5%).

Please stop throwing out stats without the citations to back them up.

VT isn’t *just* a STEM school, as other posters have pointed out. They are strong across the board in both STEM and the humanities.

The OP asserted VT is the de facto STEM Flagship where the in state STEM talent goes without providing evidence. Why don't you also question that?

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Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...

U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?

False premise. As someone else indicated, top Virginia STEM talent does not go to Virginia Tech. Some of it does, but certainly not most. A higher number of TJ grads go to UVA and W&M than to VT, and TJ is the top STEM high school in the state.

Please post your citations.
DP

NP. This is TJ from last year (beginning on page 18). VT may get more in 2024 since they got rid of the silly ED.
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/2023seniorissue

WM - 24
VT - 23
And no doubt more this year, as you said. Not really making the PP’s claim that more TJ grads go to WM than VT.

Last 5 years looks like this for TJ graduates: 207 to UVA, 132 to W&M, 82 to VT. Using a single year is subject to greater variability.

But also consider it this way -- VT has 1.8X as many undergraduates as UVA and 4.6X as many as W&M. Proportionally more should be going to VT, but that hasn't happened.

Please stop posting numbers without citations to back them up. You might as well be making them up.

https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/2023seniorissue
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/senior_issue_2022_combined
https://www.tjtoday.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/SeniorIssue.pdf
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2020
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2019_for_web

Keep in mind VT has a bias against TJ applicants and doesn't accept them as much as one would expect.

Why would VT have a bias against a high school (in the same state) that may place more students in top college STEM programs than any other hogh school in the country?

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Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...

U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?

False premise. As someone else indicated, top Virginia STEM talent does not go to Virginia Tech. Some of it does, but certainly not most. A higher number of TJ grads go to UVA and W&M than to VT, and TJ is the top STEM high school in the state.

Please post your citations.
DP

NP. This is TJ from last year (beginning on page 18). VT may get more in 2024 since they got rid of the silly ED.
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/2023seniorissue

WM - 24
VT - 23
And no doubt more this year, as you said. Not really making the PP’s claim that more TJ grads go to WM than VT.

Last 5 years looks like this for TJ graduates: 207 to UVA, 132 to W&M, 82 to VT. Using a single year is subject to greater variability.

But also consider it this way -- VT has 1.8X as many undergraduates as UVA and 4.6X as many as W&M. Proportionally more should be going to VT, but that hasn't happened.

Please stop posting numbers without citations to back them up. You might as well be making them up.

https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/2023seniorissue
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/senior_issue_2022_combined
https://www.tjtoday.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/SeniorIssue.pdf
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2020
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2019_for_web

Keep in mind VT has a bias against TJ applicants and doesn't accept them as much as one would expect.

Why would VT have a bias against a high school (in the same state) that may place more students in top college STEM programs than any other hogh school in the country?

VT doesn't have a bias against TJ. That's just what TJ parents say when their kids don't get in.

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Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...

U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?

False premise. As someone else indicated, top Virginia STEM talent does not go to Virginia Tech. Some of it does, but certainly not most. A higher number of TJ grads go to UVA and W&M than to VT, and TJ is the top STEM high school in the state.

Please post your citations.
DP

NP. This is TJ from last year (beginning on page 18). VT may get more in 2024 since they got rid of the silly ED.
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/2023seniorissue

WM - 24
VT - 23
And no doubt more this year, as you said. Not really making the PP’s claim that more TJ grads go to WM than VT.

Last 5 years looks like this for TJ graduates: 207 to UVA, 132 to W&M, 82 to VT. Using a single year is subject to greater variability.

But also consider it this way -- VT has 1.8X as many undergraduates as UVA and 4.6X as many as W&M. Proportionally more should be going to VT, but that hasn't happened.

Please stop posting numbers without citations to back them up. You might as well be making them up.

https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/2023seniorissue
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/senior_issue_2022_combined
https://www.tjtoday.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/SeniorIssue.pdf
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2020
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2019_for_web

Keep in mind VT has a bias against TJ applicants and doesn't accept them as much as one would expect.

Why would VT have a bias against a high school (in the same state) that may place more students in top college STEM programs than any other hogh school in the country?

VT doesn't have a bias against TJ. That's just what TJ parents say when their kids don't get in.

More TJ kids went to UMD than VT last year UMD is in another state and is more selective.

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Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...

U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?

False premise. As someone else indicated, top Virginia STEM talent does not go to Virginia Tech. Some of it does, but certainly not most. A higher number of TJ grads go to UVA and W&M than to VT, and TJ is the top STEM high school in the state.

Please post your citations.
DP

NP. This is TJ from last year (beginning on page 18). VT may get more in 2024 since they got rid of the silly ED.
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/2023seniorissue

WM - 24
VT - 23
And no doubt more this year, as you said. Not really making the PP’s claim that more TJ grads go to WM than VT.

Last 5 years looks like this for TJ graduates: 207 to UVA, 132 to W&M, 82 to VT. Using a single year is subject to greater variability.

But also consider it this way -- VT has 1.8X as many undergraduates as UVA and 4.6X as many as W&M. Proportionally more should be going to VT, but that hasn't happened.

Please stop posting numbers without citations to back them up. You might as well be making them up.

https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/2023seniorissue
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/senior_issue_2022_combined
https://www.tjtoday.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/SeniorIssue.pdf
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2020
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2019_for_web

Keep in mind VT has a bias against TJ applicants and doesn't accept them as much as one would expect.

Why would VT have a bias against a high school (in the same state) that may place more students in top college STEM programs than any other hogh school in the country?

Because it would look pretty bad if more than 30% of VT's incoming class went to TJ - they want geographic diversity.

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Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...

U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?

False premise. As someone else indicated, top Virginia STEM talent does not go to Virginia Tech. Some of it does, but certainly not most. A higher number of TJ grads go to UVA and W&M than to VT, and TJ is the top STEM high school in the state.

Please post your citations.
DP

NP. This is TJ from last year (beginning on page 18). VT may get more in 2024 since they got rid of the silly ED.
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/2023seniorissue

WM - 24
VT - 23
And no doubt more this year, as you said. Not really making the PP’s claim that more TJ grads go to WM than VT.

Last 5 years looks like this for TJ graduates: 207 to UVA, 132 to W&M, 82 to VT. Using a single year is subject to greater variability.

But also consider it this way -- VT has 1.8X as many undergraduates as UVA and 4.6X as many as W&M. Proportionally more should be going to VT, but that hasn't happened.

Please stop posting numbers without citations to back them up. You might as well be making them up.

https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/2023seniorissue
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/senior_issue_2022_combined
https://www.tjtoday.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/SeniorIssue.pdf
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2020
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2019_for_web

Keep in mind VT has a bias against TJ applicants and doesn't accept them as much as one would expect.

Why would VT have a bias against a high school (in the same state) that may place more students in top college STEM programs than any other hogh school in the country?

Because it would look pretty bad if more than 30% of VT's incoming class went to TJ - they want geographic diversity.

Do the math. Only about 0.2% of VT students come from TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Virginia Tech only has about 3.2% of undergraduates getting degrees in Mathematics and Statistics and Physical Sciences. That is extremely low for any school presenting itself as an-across-the-board STEM school. Comparable numbers are 26% at Caltech, 20% at Harvard, 17% at MIT, 14.5% at UCSB, 10.5% at Stanford, 10% at UCLA, 9% at Princeton, 8% at Berkeley, 7.9% at UCSD, etc. (Even UVA is higher at 4% and W&M is 8.5%).

Great point, I never realized that. That is very surprising.
The main reason ours did not apply in state is they already had UVA as a backup and based on the course curricula in the calculus and physics and chem classes, the depth and breadth was not there at VT compared to UVA. Friends of a stem professor there, and they said it was because the faculty could not teach at the same pace as at Georgia Tech or Berkeley (where they did post docs/lecturer jobs). It was eye opening.

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^the faculty are excellent; the professor’s point was that the student quality limited them.

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia Tech only has about 3.2% of undergraduates getting degrees in Mathematics and Statistics and Physical Sciences. That is extremely low for any school presenting itself as an-across-the-board STEM school. Comparable numbers are 26% at Caltech, 20% at Harvard, 17% at MIT, 14.5% at UCSB, 10.5% at Stanford, 10% at UCLA, 9% at Princeton, 8% at Berkeley, 7.9% at UCSD, etc. (Even UVA is higher at 4% and W&M is 8.5%).

Please stop throwing out stats without the citations to back them up.

VT isn’t *just* a STEM school, as other posters have pointed out. They are strong across the board in both STEM and the humanities.

You ask for citations and then immediately proceed to make completely unsubstantiated claims. That isn't consistent and shows bias.

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Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...

U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?

False premise. As someone else indicated, top Virginia STEM talent does not go to Virginia Tech. Some of it does, but certainly not most. A higher number of TJ grads go to UVA and W&M than to VT, and TJ is the top STEM high school in the state.

Please post your citations.
DP

NP. This is TJ from last year (beginning on page 18). VT may get more in 2024 since they got rid of the silly ED.
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/2023seniorissue

WM - 24
VT - 23
And no doubt more this year, as you said. Not really making the PP’s claim that more TJ grads go to WM than VT.

Last 5 years looks like this for TJ graduates: 207 to UVA, 132 to W&M, 82 to VT. Using a single year is subject to greater variability.

But also consider it this way -- VT has 1.8X as many undergraduates as UVA and 4.6X as many as W&M. Proportionally more should be going to VT, but that hasn't happened.

Please stop posting numbers without citations to back them up. You might as well be making them up.

https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/2023seniorissue
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/senior_issue_2022_combined
https://www.tjtoday.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/SeniorIssue.pdf
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2020
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2019_for_web

Keep in mind VT has a bias against TJ applicants and doesn't accept them as much as one would expect.

Why would VT have a bias against a high school (in the same state) that may place more students in top college STEM programs than any other hogh school in the country?

VT doesn't have a bias against TJ. That's just what TJ parents say when their kids don't get in.

More TJ kids went to UMD than VT last year UMD is in another state and is more selective.

Show citations please. Because this sounds like pure BS.
DP

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Wow, so many trolls on this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia Tech only has about 3.2% of undergraduates getting degrees in Mathematics and Statistics and Physical Sciences. That is extremely low for any school presenting itself as an-across-the-board STEM school. Comparable numbers are 26% at Caltech, 20% at Harvard, 17% at MIT, 14.5% at UCSB, 10.5% at Stanford, 10% at UCLA, 9% at Princeton, 8% at Berkeley, 7.9% at UCSD, etc. (Even UVA is higher at 4% and W&M is 8.5%).

Please stop throwing out stats without the citations to back them up.

VT isn’t *just* a STEM school, as other posters have pointed out. They are strong across the board in both STEM and the humanities.

You ask for citations and then immediately proceed to make completely unsubstantiated claims. That isn't consistent and shows bias.

What is inconsistent about the above post? Or unsubstantiated? VT is the #20 public school in the country. Obviously, it’s strong across the board.
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/virginia-tech-3754/overall-rankings

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Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...

U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?

False premise. As someone else indicated, top Virginia STEM talent does not go to Virginia Tech. Some of it does, but certainly not most. A higher number of TJ grads go to UVA and W&M than to VT, and TJ is the top STEM high school in the state.

Please post your citations.
DP

NP. This is TJ from last year (beginning on page 18). VT may get more in 2024 since they got rid of the silly ED.
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/2023seniorissue

WM - 24
VT - 23
And no doubt more this year, as you said. Not really making the PP’s claim that more TJ grads go to WM than VT.

Last 5 years looks like this for TJ graduates: 207 to UVA, 132 to W&M, 82 to VT. Using a single year is subject to greater variability.

But also consider it this way -- VT has 1.8X as many undergraduates as UVA and 4.6X as many as W&M. Proportionally more should be going to VT, but that hasn't happened.

Please stop posting numbers without citations to back them up. You might as well be making them up.

https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/2023seniorissue
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/senior_issue_2022_combined
https://www.tjtoday.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/SeniorIssue.pdf
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2020
https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2019_for_web

Keep in mind VT has a bias against TJ applicants and doesn't accept them as much as one would expect.

Why would VT have a bias against a high school (in the same state) that may place more students in top college STEM programs than any other hogh school in the country?

VT doesn't have a bias against TJ. That's just what TJ parents say when their kids don't get in.

More TJ kids went to UMD than VT last year UMD is in another state and is more selective.

Show citations please. Because this sounds like pure BS.
DP

Why would it be BS? UMD is much, much, much closer to TJ than VT is. UMD is also closer to jobs and internships. And yes it costs more, for a Virginia resident, but a lot of TJ kids will get merit discounts that help close the gap. I don’t know if it’s true that more TJ kids go to UMD than VT, but it’s certainly plausible.