I tipped over the line this week and can’t support Biden

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op got worried about all the news regarding
Republicans looking to ban birth control
And enacting a federal abortion ban.
That’s what this thread is about

As a male, I don't give a rat's ass about abortion. So sick of even hearing about abortion.

+1 there is no way there would ever be a complete nation-wide abortion ban. Tired of the constant hysterical doom-sayers. It’s literally as ridiculous as when Republicans say “the guvment gunna come to yer house and take yer guns even though yer just a law-abiding citizen!”

Like no, they’re not. Massive overreacting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op got worried about all the news regarding
Republicans looking to ban birth control
And enacting a federal abortion ban.
That’s what this thread is about

As a male, I don't give a rat's ass about abortion. So sick of even hearing about abortion.

You will when your wife or daughter needs one for health reasons and can't get it.

I don't have a daughter and my wife is past her menopause.

So you care about Palestinians but not about American women and girls.
You're like the guy in the play/movie Hair who would protest the Vietnam war while abandoning his own child at home.

[Anonymous]

Once this election cycle is over, you'll go back to not caring about Palestinians just like you never cared about them before. If you really are concerned for Gazans, I encourage you to do something positive to help them. Please don't feel you have some moral high ground by claiming you're withholding your vote.

[Anonymous]

Would any of the pro-Israel Biden supporters here be ok if Biden were arming Hamas against Jews and killing them? What about the antisemitic Americans during the Holocaust? Wasn’t that despicable how Americans were willing to sell Jews down the river just because they didn’t care enough?

Why is supporting Israel so important that I have to support a genocide to be able to vote?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What genocide are you talking about?

Yes, Israel declared war on Gaza because Gazans attacked Israel. But it is hardly genocide. War is war. Genocide is deliberately going house to house killing people. Which is what Palestinians did in Israel.

No, you’re never going to find success selling stock Zionist lies again. Not happening. I know there will be lots of consternation, but you got 75 - 80 years of a head start.

Now, Israel is going to have to start the healing process by acknowledging what it’s done and making the difficult decisions related to making it right.

Your post is exhibit A of how “anti Israel” is antisemitism. Zionist lies … those sneaky lying Jews. And the weaponizing of Zionism which is nothing more than Jews wanting to return to safety in a homeland they were driven from by Muslims and Christians.

You have a weird guilty conscience, I guess? How does the concept of lying automatically bridge to “Jews” for you?

Bizarre …

As for Israel, screw Israel. Jews should be able to live safely and in peace with others everywhere, and so should everyone else. I’m no more supportive of somehow insisting that Israel MUST exist as a Jewish homeland than I am that Italy MUST exist as an Italian homeland, or that any country MUST exist for xyz reasons.

Get over yourselves. It’s 2024.

First, the trope of Jews being dishonest is well worn and quite evident on this thread and across social media. Stop gaslighting and/or read up on the dog whistles you are defending or ignorant of. Also, so tired of non Jews who use Jewish tropes telling Jews that they aren’t antisemitic. It’s just ridiculous.

Also, since when are non Jewish Italians a perpetually persecuted group? Were they run out of their homelands and then routinely persecuted by virtually every country they lived over centuries punctuated by an “extermination” that resulted in 5 million dead?

Try again.

[Anonymous]

Republican here and far be it from me to insist you vote for Biden. But... you do realize that you're essentially falling for a marketing ploy, right? Biden isn't conducting a genocide. Think about what you're actually saying. He's funding a war. And actually, he's funding both sides of it, which will make it extra bloody on both sides. War is terrible, but it isn't genocide. Calling it genocide doesn't make it so. It's a war and lots and lots of people die in war.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Would any of the pro-Israel Biden supporters here be ok if Biden were arming Hamas against Jews and killing them? What about the antisemitic Americans during the Holocaust? Wasn’t that despicable how Americans were willing to sell Jews down the river just because they didn’t care enough?

Why is supporting Israel so important that I have to support a genocide to be able to vote?

It's Israel, not "Jews".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Would any of the pro-Israel Biden supporters here be ok if Biden were arming Hamas against Jews and killing them? What about the antisemitic Americans during the Holocaust? Wasn’t that despicable how Americans were willing to sell Jews down the river just because they didn’t care enough?

Why is supporting Israel so important that I have to support a genocide to be able to vote?

Hamas has the entire Arab world finding it. And they did kill Jews. And in their charter they have a section where they commit to killing Jews anywhere they can find them. This is what Israel has been protecting itself against. I care about Palestine, I don’t like Netanyahu or his government, and I also believe in Israel’s right to exist and for Jews to be able to live in peace without fear of Islamist / Christian / despotic violence somewhere in the world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What genocide are you talking about?

Yes, Israel declared war on Gaza because Gazans attacked Israel. But it is hardly genocide. War is war. Genocide is deliberately going house to house killing people. Which is what Palestinians did in Israel.

No, you’re never going to find success selling stock Zionist lies again. Not happening. I know there will be lots of consternation, but you got 75 - 80 years of a head start.

Now, Israel is going to have to start the healing process by acknowledging what it’s done and making the difficult decisions related to making it right.

Your post is exhibit A of how “anti Israel” is antisemitism. Zionist lies … those sneaky lying Jews. And the weaponizing of Zionism which is nothing more than Jews wanting to return to safety in a homeland they were driven from by Muslims and Christians.

You have a weird guilty conscience, I guess? How does the concept of lying automatically bridge to “Jews” for you?

Bizarre …

As for Israel, screw Israel. Jews should be able to live safely and in peace with others everywhere, and so should everyone else. I’m no more supportive of somehow insisting that Israel MUST exist as a Jewish homeland than I am that Italy MUST exist as an Italian homeland, or that any country MUST exist for xyz reasons.

Get over yourselves. It’s 2024.

First, the trope of Jews being dishonest is well worn and quite evident on this thread and across social media. Stop gaslighting and/or read up on the dog whistles you are defending or ignorant of. Also, so tired of non Jews who use Jewish tropes telling Jews that they aren’t antisemitic. It’s just ridiculous.

Also, since when are non Jewish Italians a perpetually persecuted group? Were they run out of their homelands and then routinely persecuted by virtually every country they lived over centuries punctuated by an “extermination” that resulted in 5 million dead?

Try again.

DP and don’t think Jews are dishonest. And at the same time I think Zionism is not working. The burden is on Zionists to show how Zionism can protect Palestinian rights. Zionists came to Palestine. Not the other way around.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op got worried about all the news regarding
Republicans looking to ban birth control
And enacting a federal abortion ban.
That’s what this thread is about

As a male, I don't give a rat's ass about abortion. So sick of even hearing about abortion.

+1 there is no way there would ever be a complete nation-wide abortion ban. Tired of the constant hysterical doom-sayers. It’s literally as ridiculous as when Republicans say “the guvment gunna come to yer house and take yer guns even though yer just a law-abiding citizen!”

Like no, they’re not. Massive overreacting.

So poor women in Mississippi can do what then? Start a Go Fund Me to afford time off and travel expenses to get to New York?

What anti abortion people never get is that the better access and more affordable they are, the more likely they are to occur when it’s just a clump of cells.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would any of the pro-Israel Biden supporters here be ok if Biden were arming Hamas against Jews and killing them? What about the antisemitic Americans during the Holocaust? Wasn’t that despicable how Americans were willing to sell Jews down the river just because they didn’t care enough?

Why is supporting Israel so important that I have to support a genocide to be able to vote?

It's Israel, not "Jews".

Please. Let’s get real. Most of the anti-Israel rhetoric is deeply rooted - and quite clearly so by the multiple tropes about Jews referenced - in contempt for Jews. Let’s stop the sanctimony.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would any of the pro-Israel Biden supporters here be ok if Biden were arming Hamas against Jews and killing them? What about the antisemitic Americans during the Holocaust? Wasn’t that despicable how Americans were willing to sell Jews down the river just because they didn’t care enough?

Why is supporting Israel so important that I have to support a genocide to be able to vote?

It's Israel, not "Jews".

Oh I was actually giving you a freebie, by hypothesizing about if Biden were arming Hamas to kill Jews.

Are you saying that Hamas is fighting only against Israel? I think that’s right, but most Zionists believe that Hamas is anti-Jewish not anti-Israeli.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op got worried about all the news regarding
Republicans looking to ban birth control
And enacting a federal abortion ban.
That’s what this thread is about

As a male, I don't give a rat's ass about abortion. So sick of even hearing about abortion.

+1 there is no way there would ever be a complete nation-wide abortion ban. Tired of the constant hysterical doom-sayers. It’s literally as ridiculous as when Republicans say “the guvment gunna come to yer house and take yer guns even though yer just a law-abiding citizen!”

Like no, they’re not. Massive overreacting.

So poor women in Mississippi can do what then? Start a Go Fund Me to afford time off and travel expenses to get to New York?

What anti abortion people never get is that the better access and more affordable they are, the more likely they are to occur when it’s just a clump of cells.

If your idea of women’s liberation allows for the genocide of women, a dead mother every 15 minutes, a dead child every minute, the bombing of every single hospital, and the execution style bullet in the head of NICU babies …

then we are not fighting for the same sort of liberation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would any of the pro-Israel Biden supporters here be ok if Biden were arming Hamas against Jews and killing them? What about the antisemitic Americans during the Holocaust? Wasn’t that despicable how Americans were willing to sell Jews down the river just because they didn’t care enough?

Why is supporting Israel so important that I have to support a genocide to be able to vote?

It's Israel, not "Jews".

Please. Let’s get real. Most of the anti-Israel rhetoric is deeply rooted - and quite clearly so by the multiple tropes about Jews referenced - in contempt for Jews. Let’s stop the sanctimony.

No sanctimony from me. I agree, that if people want to be sanctimonious about our support for Israel contributing to the war, then they should do something positive to help Gaza.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What genocide are you talking about?

Yes, Israel declared war on Gaza because Gazans attacked Israel. But it is hardly genocide. War is war. Genocide is deliberately going house to house killing people. Which is what Palestinians did in Israel.

No, you’re never going to find success selling stock Zionist lies again. Not happening. I know there will be lots of consternation, but you got 75 - 80 years of a head start.

Now, Israel is going to have to start the healing process by acknowledging what it’s done and making the difficult decisions related to making it right.

Your post is exhibit A of how “anti Israel” is antisemitism. Zionist lies … those sneaky lying Jews. And the weaponizing of Zionism which is nothing more than Jews wanting to return to safety in a homeland they were driven from by Muslims and Christians.

You have a weird guilty conscience, I guess? How does the concept of lying automatically bridge to “Jews” for you?

Bizarre …

As for Israel, screw Israel. Jews should be able to live safely and in peace with others everywhere, and so should everyone else. I’m no more supportive of somehow insisting that Israel MUST exist as a Jewish homeland than I am that Italy MUST exist as an Italian homeland, or that any country MUST exist for xyz reasons.

Get over yourselves. It’s 2024.

First, the trope of Jews being dishonest is well worn and quite evident on this thread and across social media. Stop gaslighting and/or read up on the dog whistles you are defending or ignorant of. Also, so tired of non Jews who use Jewish tropes telling Jews that they aren’t antisemitic. It’s just ridiculous.

Also, since when are non Jewish Italians a perpetually persecuted group? Were they run out of their homelands and then routinely persecuted by virtually every country they lived over centuries punctuated by an “extermination” that resulted in 5 million dead?

Try again.

DP and don’t think Jews are dishonest. And at the same time I think Zionism is not working. The burden is on Zionists to show how Zionism can protect Palestinian rights. Zionists came to Palestine. Not the other way around.

I think you meant this as a positive … but it’s so damn condescending.

Also, Zionism isn’t working? For who? Hamas? The Arab world who has funded terrorist groups for 70 years to attack Israel and murder Jews?

Also, “Zionism” … which you are conflating with Israel but ok … doesn’t need to explain why terrorist-governed Palestine with a government and population (yes, the celebrations on 10/7 are quite vivid) dedicated to its destruction doesn’t support Palestinian’s rights. That’s on Palestinians and their supporters.