I tipped over the line this week and can’t support Biden

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hate it, but I just can’t vote for him. I’ll sit this one out. Given that his competition is Trump, it’s a low low bar. But I just can’t support a guy who is helping conduct a genocide. I’m a white Christian 50 something in Virginia, so it isn’t directly personal to me, but I just can’t do it.

Anyone have any arguments other than “Trump is worse.” I agree, but that alone just isn’t enough anymore.

You’re not alone. Our republic will wither due to this intransigent, unconditional support of Israel. What a mess.

I am sitting this one out too. I just can't even fathom Joe supporting Israel unconditionally, even blocking UN Security Council resolutions (US was the only country to veto UN Security Council resolutions related to the Gaza issue) on multiple occasions.

He will forever be known as "Genocide Joe". What a terrible legacy after a lifetime in the politics.

Agree. Why are dual citizenship Americans even allowed to hold political office? Just look at the high percentage of the current White House and Capitol Hill have Israeli dual citizenship. Because of them, we are held hostage by Netanyahu.

Can’t even point that out and ponder if those facts are PRECISELY why we gave to witness blind, unconditional support of Israel without being smeared as an anti-semite … it’s ridiculous how far we have fallen that the weakest amongst us are empowered to slander those willing to face the hard questions of the day.

[Anonymous]

Here is the thing, OP...

I get it and as an American Jew, I canot stand either Likud or Hamas. I don't like Israel's response to Oct 7.

That said, the GOP would be making no effort to a cease-fire, making no effort to getting the hostages back, no effort to humanitarian aid and certainly no effort to a two-state solution.

So your choice is to sit out because you don't like what Biden is trying to do and instead allow the GOP and its "we support Israel because of The Rapture" and all of the pro-life Christian Nationalism that goes with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hate it, but I just can’t vote for him. I’ll sit this one out. Given that his competition is Trump, it’s a low low bar. But I just can’t support a guy who is helping conduct a genocide. I’m a white Christian 50 something in Virginia, so it isn’t directly personal to me, but I just can’t do it.

Anyone have any arguments other than “Trump is worse.” I agree, but that alone just isn’t enough anymore.

Sure.

How about the fact that Biden has generally been a very good President?

Also worth considering that if your standard is protection of foreign civilians, you couldn’t have supported any President in the last 30 years.

Obama was a disaster WRT to Arab Spring, Syria and Libya.

Bush - Iraq.

Clinton - Rwanda.

Trump - Paris, Putin, Iran.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Then don’t vote. If you’re so hysterical that you A) think Biden is supporting genocide anywhere and B) use genocide to refer to Israel responding to Hamas, probably best you stay home.

DO NOT STAY HOME.

Vote for Biden.
I hate what's happening in Gaza too. It disgusts me. But do you think the pugilistic TFG would abandon Israel? Would that piece of excrement "save" the Palestinians?

Vote for Biden. He's our only hope. And he's the Palestinians only hope too, sadly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hate it, but I just can’t vote for him. I’ll sit this one out. Given that his competition is Trump, it’s a low low bar. But I just can’t support a guy who is helping conduct a genocide. I’m a white Christian 50 something in Virginia, so it isn’t directly personal to me, but I just can’t do it.

Anyone have any arguments other than “Trump is worse.” I agree, but that alone just isn’t enough anymore.

You’re not alone. Our republic will wither due to this intransigent, unconditional support of Israel. What a mess.

I am sitting this one out too. I just can't even fathom Joe supporting Israel unconditionally, even blocking UN Security Council resolutions (US was the only country to veto UN Security Council resolutions related to the Gaza issue) on multiple occasions.

He will forever be known as "Genocide Joe". What a terrible legacy after a lifetime in the politics.

Agree. Why are dual citizenship Americans even allowed to hold political office? Just look at the high percentage of the current White House and Capitol Hill have Israeli dual citizenship. Because of them, we are held hostage by Netanyahu.

I did not know that. We should immediately demand/protest/lobby to ban any dual citizens from holding ANY elective offices and even working in ANY State/County/Federal government.

That’s a long overdue constitutional amendment waiting to happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hate it, but I just can’t vote for him. I’ll sit this one out. Given that his competition is Trump, it’s a low low bar. But I just can’t support a guy who is helping conduct a genocide. I’m a white Christian 50 something in Virginia, so it isn’t directly personal to me, but I just can’t do it.

Anyone have any arguments other than “Trump is worse.” I agree, but that alone just isn’t enough anymore.

And you think trump wouldn’t support Israel?

Or, you think the US President actually has the power to control how Israel approaches its war against Hamas?

Ok, Vlad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is the thing, OP...

I get it and as an American Jew, I canot stand either Likud or Hamas. I don't like Israel's response to Oct 7.

That said, the GOP would be making no effort to a cease-fire, making no effort to getting the hostages back, no effort to humanitarian aid and certainly no effort to a two-state solution.

So your choice is to sit out because you don't like what Biden is trying to do and instead allow the GOP and its "we support Israel because of The Rapture" and all of the pro-life Christian Nationalism that goes with it.

I tried to hold my nose and follow the path you have outlined (thank you for being rational about it), but it always feels like a wake-up call is necessary to right the ship for the Democratic Party - and yet it never happens. Frustrating …

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Open borders means a hard no for me. If Biden simply stopped the insanity at the border I’d bite for him.

He supports the border bill that trump tanked. Trump has no intention or plan for immigration. He is full of bull.

Ha,

Trump had remain in Mexico, deportations galore. Illegal immigration was at record lows under Trump!!!!!!!

Biden undid remain In Mexico. Practically announcing to the world to come to the USA. Releasing 8 million illegals and 1 million got aways with no plan. Look at the cites and the billions they are spending, gangs in NYC, people in the streets. Things were actually Good under Trump, border was more secure than it was now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hate it, but I just can’t vote for him. I’ll sit this one out. Given that his competition is Trump, it’s a low low bar. But I just can’t support a guy who is helping conduct a genocide. I’m a white Christian 50 something in Virginia, so it isn’t directly personal to me, but I just can’t do it.

Anyone have any arguments other than “Trump is worse.” I agree, but that alone just isn’t enough anymore.

You’re not alone. Our republic will wither due to this intransigent, unconditional support of Israel. What a mess.

I am sitting this one out too. I just can't even fathom Joe supporting Israel unconditionally, even blocking UN Security Council resolutions (US was the only country to veto UN Security Council resolutions related to the Gaza issue) on multiple occasions.

He will forever be known as "Genocide Joe". What a terrible legacy after a lifetime in the politics.

Agree. Why are dual citizenship Americans even allowed to hold political office? Just look at the high percentage of the current White House and Capitol Hill have Israeli dual citizenship. Because of them, we are held hostage by Netanyahu.

Can’t even point that out and ponder if those facts are PRECISELY why we gave to witness blind, unconditional support of Israel without being smeared as an anti-semite … it’s ridiculous how far we have fallen that the weakest amongst us are empowered to slander those willing to face the hard questions of the day.

Did you know that each and every vendor who contracts with some of the States are REQUIRED to sign a statement basically saying that the vendor will not engage or support any form of BDS related to Israel.

Our own State Governments are requiring such affirmations in order to do any business with them which is crazy and insane. This is clearly a violation of our first amendment rights.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Open borders means a hard no for me. If Biden simply stopped the insanity at the border I’d bite for him.

OP apparently (?) has given up on Biden because of Gaza, not the "open" borders.

Vote for Biden, please, everyone. Please. Do not stay home. Vote for Biden. He has been a generally good president, and his hands are tied WRT Israel. He does not want Palestinian children murdered any more than I do, but he HAS to support Israel.

The only way out of this terrible mess in the Middle East is to VOTE FOR BIDEN. The alternative will be an even worse bloodbath. Among other humanitarian disasters.

Gaza is all Biden, period.

Biden does not run anything. He does not have the mental capacity currently and will not make it 4 more years. His advisors are the ones calling the shots. Harris is a disaster.


Trump sucks too, but I’ll take my chance cos with him.

[Anonymous]

So much time before election. You may change your mind. So much can happen and we don’t know if these old guys will make it for various reasons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Open borders means a hard no for me. If Biden simply stopped the insanity at the border I’d bite for him.

OP apparently (?) has given up on Biden because of Gaza, not the "open" borders.

Vote for Biden, please, everyone. Please. Do not stay home. Vote for Biden. He has been a generally good president, and his hands are tied WRT Israel. He does not want Palestinian children murdered any more than I do, but he HAS to support Israel.

The only way out of this terrible mess in the Middle East is to VOTE FOR BIDEN. The alternative will be an even worse bloodbath. Among other humanitarian disasters.

Gaza is all Biden, period.

Biden does not run anything. He does not have the mental capacity currently and will not make it 4 more years. His advisors are the ones calling the shots. Harris is a disaster.


Trump sucks too, but I’ll take my chance cos with him.

Your logic is....odd.

But you do you.

"Gaze is all Biden"? Really? How so, that? Does Biden control the Israeli army? I dint know that!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Open borders means a hard no for me. If Biden simply stopped the insanity at the border I’d bite for him.

He supports the border bill that trump tanked. Trump has no intention or plan for immigration. He is full of bull.

Ha,

Trump had remain in Mexico, deportations galore. Illegal immigration was at record lows under Trump!!!!!!!

Biden undid remain In Mexico. Practically announcing to the world to come to the USA. Releasing 8 million illegals and 1 million got aways with no plan. Look at the cites and the billions they are spending, gangs in NYC, people in the streets. Things were actually Good under Trump, border was more secure than it was now.

So many trolls on this troll-generated thread!! Wheee!! Vlad for POTUS!!

[Anonymous]

I won’t vote for Biden or Trump, but there is other stuff on the ballot, so I will vote. Jill Stein.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Open borders means a hard no for me. If Biden simply stopped the insanity at the border I’d bite for him.

OP apparently (?) has given up on Biden because of Gaza, not the "open" borders.

Vote for Biden, please, everyone. Please. Do not stay home. Vote for Biden. He has been a generally good president, and his hands are tied WRT Israel. He does not want Palestinian children murdered any more than I do, but he HAS to support Israel.

The only way out of this terrible mess in the Middle East is to VOTE FOR BIDEN. The alternative will be an even worse bloodbath. Among other humanitarian disasters.

Gaza is all Biden, period.

Biden does not run anything. He does not have the mental capacity currently and will not make it 4 more years. His advisors are the ones calling the shots. Harris is a disaster.


Trump sucks too, but I’ll take my chance cos with him.

Your logic is....odd.

But you do you.

"Gaze is all Biden"? Really? How so, that? Does Biden control the Israeli army? I dint know that!!

Israel follows what the USA tells them. The US is the primary arms supplier to Israel. We cut them off, and Israel will be decimated militarily. So yea, the US has major influence on what Israel does.