Trump is blocking a border deal in the Senate

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not going to read the entire thread but my issue with Biden's proposal is that it just adds more administrative power vs enforcement power. So it will help us to in-process even more "asylum seekers" into the country but does nothing to empower the border patrol to prevent entry. My desire is to see immigration go down to more sustainable levels, not to have more paper pushers to help them come in.

That’s not what the deal is.

By all means, set me straight. I would like it if the dems were fighting to strengthen our border; if they were tearing down Texas's security in order to install even stronger security. But that doesn't appear to be what's going on at all. It appears that a bill being sold as "border security" is functionally just a bill to get more administrative workers on hand to process people into the country. There's no money for enforcement. So please, explain the holes in my understanding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The title of this thread should be amended to: "Trump is *trying* to block a border deal in the Senate"

I'm holding out hope that this deal, or something even stronger, will go through. The border is untenable.

What do you think this bill will do, specifically, to improve the border?

Have you even read it? Here, educate yourself. This is what it would do, specifically, to improve the border:

https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/2023-05/hr2.pdf#:~:text=H.R.%202%20would%20require%20all%20employers%20to%20use,are%20eligible%20to%20work%20in%20the%20United%20States.
https://immigrationforum.org/article/bill-analysis-the-secure-the-border-act-of-2023/

[Anonymous]

Why would the government enforce a new law? They don’t enforce the existing law.

They will just spend the Ukraine money then not enforce the new law.

No sense in giving money to Ukraine under any circumstances and just let Joe get destroyed in the election

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The title of this thread should be amended to: "Trump is *trying* to block a border deal in the Senate"

I'm holding out hope that this deal, or something even stronger, will go through. The border is untenable.

What do you think this bill will do, specifically, to improve the border?

Have you even read it? Here, educate yourself. This is what it would do, specifically, to improve the border:

https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/2023-05/hr2.pdf#:~:text=H.R.%202%20would%20require%20all%20employers%20to%20use,are%20eligible%20to%20work%20in%20the%20United%20States.
https://immigrationforum.org/article/bill-analysis-the-secure-the-border-act-of-2023/

Explain to me why you believe that adding more administrative workers will reduce immigration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Laws are already on the books. Start deporting. As Biden says.. “the law is the law you don’t pick and choose which ones you can break”

Why should the GOP help pass another law that won’t be enforced?

Trump needs to take over and start enforcing the laws already passed

Why didn't Trump get this system up and running from 2016 to 2020?

Oh right. Because it's much more useful as a political crisis.

Were you asleep when Trump enforced strict border measures - that were completely demonized by Democrats? "Concentration camps" ring any bells?
DP

Since when did fear of Democrats ever stop Trump? The border’s too valuable a wedge issue for the GOP to ever give up. Look what happened to them once Roe was taken down.

You seem confused. The point is that Trump has never been afraid of Democrats, which is why he implemented strict border protocols as president. I was trying to jog your (very selective) memory by reminding you how outraged Democrats were about his border restrictions. Of course, once Joe got into office, the first thing he did was to grab a pen and sign his EOs, ending all Trump border protocols. Fast forward to today, and we now have the worst border crisis in our nation's history, all due to Joe Biden.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why would the government enforce a new law? They don’t enforce the existing law.

They will just spend the Ukraine money then not enforce the new law.

No sense in giving money to Ukraine under any circumstances and just let Joe get destroyed in the election

I suspect this is a way to stop funding Ukraine but not look like abandoned them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why would the government enforce a new law? They don’t enforce the existing law.

They will just spend the Ukraine money then not enforce the new law.

No sense in giving money to Ukraine under any circumstances and just let Joe get destroyed in the election

Thank you for admitting that the GOP doesn’t want to pass any bills so they can ensure Biden loses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Laws are already on the books. Start deporting. As Biden says.. “the law is the law you don’t pick and choose which ones you can break”

Why should the GOP help pass another law that won’t be enforced?

Trump needs to take over and start enforcing the laws already passed

Why didn't Trump get this system up and running from 2016 to 2020?

Oh right. Because it's much more useful as a political crisis.

Were you asleep when Trump enforced strict border measures - that were completely demonized by Democrats? "Concentration camps" ring any bells?
DP

Since when did fear of Democrats ever stop Trump? The border’s too valuable a wedge issue for the GOP to ever give up. Look what happened to them once Roe was taken down.

You seem confused. The point is that Trump has never been afraid of Democrats, which is why he implemented strict border protocols as president. I was trying to jog your (very selective) memory by reminding you how outraged Democrats were about his border restrictions. Of course, once Joe got into office, the first thing he did was to grab a pen and sign his EOs, ending all Trump border protocols. Fast forward to today, and we now have the worst border crisis in our nation's history, all due to Joe Biden.

Well, the *first* thing he did was take the Huthis off the terrorist list.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Laws are already on the books. Start deporting. As Biden says.. “the law is the law you don’t pick and choose which ones you can break”

Why should the GOP help pass another law that won’t be enforced?

Trump needs to take over and start enforcing the laws already passed

Why didn't Trump get this system up and running from 2016 to 2020?

Oh right. Because it's much more useful as a political crisis.

Were you asleep when Trump enforced strict border measures - that were completely demonized by Democrats? "Concentration camps" ring any bells?
DP

Since when did fear of Democrats ever stop Trump? The border’s too valuable a wedge issue for the GOP to ever give up. Look what happened to them once Roe was taken down.

You seem confused. The point is that Trump has never been afraid of Democrats, which is why he implemented strict border protocols as president. I was trying to jog your (very selective) memory by reminding you how outraged Democrats were about his border restrictions. Of course, once Joe got into office, the first thing he did was to grab a pen and sign his EOs, ending all Trump border protocols. Fast forward to today, and we now have the worst border crisis in our nation's history, all due to Joe Biden.

What sensible “border protocols” did Trump implement?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Laws are already on the books. Start deporting. As Biden says.. “the law is the law you don’t pick and choose which ones you can break”

Why should the GOP help pass another law that won’t be enforced?

Trump needs to take over and start enforcing the laws already passed

Why didn't Trump get this system up and running from 2016 to 2020?

Oh right. Because it's much more useful as a political crisis.

Were you asleep when Trump enforced strict border measures - that were completely demonized by Democrats? "Concentration camps" ring any bells?
DP

Since when did fear of Democrats ever stop Trump? The border’s too valuable a wedge issue for the GOP to ever give up. Look what happened to them once Roe was taken down.

You seem confused. The point is that Trump has never been afraid of Democrats, which is why he implemented strict border protocols as president. I was trying to jog your (very selective) memory by reminding you how outraged Democrats were about his border restrictions. Of course, once Joe got into office, the first thing he did was to grab a pen and sign his EOs, ending all Trump border protocols. Fast forward to today, and we now have the worst border crisis in our nation's history, all due to Joe Biden.

I really don’t care, do U?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Laws are already on the books. Start deporting. As Biden says.. “the law is the law you don’t pick and choose which ones you can break”

Why should the GOP help pass another law that won’t be enforced?

Trump needs to take over and start enforcing the laws already passed

Why didn't Trump get this system up and running from 2016 to 2020?

Oh right. Because it's much more useful as a political crisis.

Were you asleep when Trump enforced strict border measures - that were completely demonized by Democrats? "Concentration camps" ring any bells?
DP

Since when did fear of Democrats ever stop Trump? The border’s too valuable a wedge issue for the GOP to ever give up. Look what happened to them once Roe was taken down.

You seem confused. The point is that Trump has never been afraid of Democrats, which is why he implemented strict border protocols as president. I was trying to jog your (very selective) memory by reminding you how outraged Democrats were about his border restrictions. Of course, once Joe got into office, the first thing he did was to grab a pen and sign his EOs, ending all Trump border protocols. Fast forward to today, and we now have the worst border crisis in our nation's history, all due to Joe Biden.

What sensible “border protocols” did Trump implement?

Remain in Mexico policy. That's the main thing that worked and the main thing Republicans want to bring back.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Laws are already on the books. Start deporting. As Biden says.. “the law is the law you don’t pick and choose which ones you can break”

Why should the GOP help pass another law that won’t be enforced?

Trump needs to take over and start enforcing the laws already passed

Why didn't Trump get this system up and running from 2016 to 2020?

Oh right. Because it's much more useful as a political crisis.

Were you asleep when Trump enforced strict border measures - that were completely demonized by Democrats? "Concentration camps" ring any bells?
DP

Since when did fear of Democrats ever stop Trump? The border’s too valuable a wedge issue for the GOP to ever give up. Look what happened to them once Roe was taken down.

You seem confused. The point is that Trump has never been afraid of Democrats, which is why he implemented strict border protocols as president. I was trying to jog your (very selective) memory by reminding you how outraged Democrats were about his border restrictions. Of course, once Joe got into office, the first thing he did was to grab a pen and sign his EOs, ending all Trump border protocols. Fast forward to today, and we now have the worst border crisis in our nation's history, all due to Joe Biden.

Well, the *first* thing he did was take the Huthis off the terrorist list.

This is true. Thanks, Joe! /s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Laws are already on the books. Start deporting. As Biden says.. “the law is the law you don’t pick and choose which ones you can break”

Why should the GOP help pass another law that won’t be enforced?

Trump needs to take over and start enforcing the laws already passed

Why didn't Trump get this system up and running from 2016 to 2020?

Oh right. Because it's much more useful as a political crisis.

Were you asleep when Trump enforced strict border measures - that were completely demonized by Democrats? "Concentration camps" ring any bells?
DP

Since when did fear of Democrats ever stop Trump? The border’s too valuable a wedge issue for the GOP to ever give up. Look what happened to them once Roe was taken down.

You seem confused. The point is that Trump has never been afraid of Democrats, which is why he implemented strict border protocols as president. I was trying to jog your (very selective) memory by reminding you how outraged Democrats were about his border restrictions. Of course, once Joe got into office, the first thing he did was to grab a pen and sign his EOs, ending all Trump border protocols. Fast forward to today, and we now have the worst border crisis in our nation's history, all due to Joe Biden.

What sensible “border protocols” did Trump implement?

Seriously?? MPP/Remain in Mexico. Invoking Title 42. Started building sections of border wall - ended by Joe Biden. Ironically, Biden/Mayorkas are now realizing a border wall will indeed have to be built. Too funny.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Laws are already on the books. Start deporting. As Biden says.. “the law is the law you don’t pick and choose which ones you can break”

Why should the GOP help pass another law that won’t be enforced?

Trump needs to take over and start enforcing the laws already passed

Why didn't Trump get this system up and running from 2016 to 2020?

Oh right. Because it's much more useful as a political crisis.

Were you asleep when Trump enforced strict border measures - that were completely demonized by Democrats? "Concentration camps" ring any bells?
DP

Since when did fear of Democrats ever stop Trump? The border’s too valuable a wedge issue for the GOP to ever give up. Look what happened to them once Roe was taken down.

You seem confused. The point is that Trump has never been afraid of Democrats, which is why he implemented strict border protocols as president. I was trying to jog your (very selective) memory by reminding you how outraged Democrats were about his border restrictions. Of course, once Joe got into office, the first thing he did was to grab a pen and sign his EOs, ending all Trump border protocols. Fast forward to today, and we now have the worst border crisis in our nation's history, all due to Joe Biden.

I really don’t care, do U?

We know you don't. Democrats enjoy millions of illegal immigrants entering the U.S.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The details of the compromise are scant.

Let me guess, it entails more money for bigger govt to hire more judges to hear cases in order to receive the backlog...


Lol, that ain't no border deal. It does nothing to solve the problem. Dems will never get it through their thick skulls that MORAL HAZARD matters. More judges and a bigger administrative state will just encourage more to come. You never addressed the root of the problem. Reject any deal calling for money for bigger administrative state. It solves nothing.

Exactly this. So no. Not a fix. And Republicans actually want to influx to stop. We don’t want more funds to help the migrants while they are here. No more migrants. I will support funding for a wall and razor wire and border patrol agents. Nothing else. Once we get that, then we can talk about figuring out how to deal with the people here but not even interested in that until the influx stops. Over 800 people have died at the border under Biden’s watch. How does that sound? Humanitarian? Services in Chicago for actually residents are being closed to enable funding for illegals. Good? Colorado offers free health care to illegals or families of illegals but regular poor Coloradans get buttkis. This is what the Democrats want the money for and I and tons of other Americans are DONE. Stop the crazy.

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