Why is Cornell called "lower Ivy"

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't it be great if some top private schools would try to educate close to the number of students top public places like Michigan and Cal do though? Yes, their acceptance rates would be higher but society as a whole would benefit and they can certainly afford to do it.

No, because top private schools aren't top because of the education. They are top because they provided exclusively access to opportunities to get rich.

People are talking about CS departments. There is 0 need to go to university to learn CS. It's all available better for free on the Internet. The only reason to go is to network with social/wealth elites.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:Why is water wet?

Cornell is a public Ivy alongside Penn State/Penn, UVA, UT-Austin, Cal, etc.

It is only an Ivy in the narrow athletic conference sense.

Also, it offers and Associates degree in Hotel Management.

Harvard offers degrees from its extension school. Columbia has its GS school.

You again?

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't it be great if some top private schools would try to educate close to the number of students top public places like Michigan and Cal do though? Yes, their acceptance rates would be higher but society as a whole would benefit and they can certainly afford to do it.

No, because top private schools aren't top because of the education. They are top because they provided exclusively access to opportunities to get rich.

People are talking about CS departments. There is 0 need to go to university to learn CS. It's all available better for free on the Internet. The only reason to go is to network with social/wealth elites.

You sounds clueless. My kid made over $250k/yr right out of college in a CS job.

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Back to Cornell, it's an elite school. But other schools have caught up with it in the rankings. It is also easier to get into, especially when considering the transfer option they provide.

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Anonymous wrote:Back to Cornell, it's an elite school. But other schools have caught up with it in the rankings. It is also easier to get into, especially when considering the transfer option they provide.

It's not. Its current president is also a laughingstock

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Anonymous wrote:+1, PP.

A quick LinkedIn search shows that there are 372 Georgia Tech alums at McKinsey and only 85 Emory alums. The former's undergraduate program only has twice as many students as the latter's. Emory only has one dedicated recruiter; Georgia Tech has multiple: https://www.mckinsey.com/careers/students

The Emory boosters on here are trying to elevate a mediocre regional school above an international brand name. Once again, Duke's loser cousin.

Emory has 572 grads at McKinsey. Not sure if you're doing the Linkedin search correctly, but you need to add Emory College and Goiszueta to your search. And there's no need to Emory boost. Emory has better investment banking placement than any private school in the south outside of Duke. Per capita, Emory comes in at 24, and Gatech lands at 60 ( list at the bottom of the first link). Also, Gatech is a much bigger school; why wouldn't they have more recruiters? Also, you still didn't answer why Emory CS grads make more than Gatech CS grads. Gatech grads don't nearly make as much as its peer schools (CMU etc.), but Emory grads make the same amount as Vandy and Rice grads, and they have engineering Emory doesn't.

https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/ib-target-schools

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?139658-Emory-University&fos_code=1107&fos_credential=3 $133k
https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?139755-Georgia-Institute-of-Technology-Main-Campus&fos_code=1101&fos_credential=3 $127k

That would be double counting. I didn't do that for GT Scheller. Also, that Peakframeworks ranking is more so a reflection of the lack of interest in banking at GT, where students can go immediately to the buyside if sufficiently talented (quantitative hedge funds).

You should add Scheller, as it's a more representative sample. Emory does not combine Emory and Goizueta on LinkedIn, so it's not double counting. And try harder than that, GT grads are not being recruited for private equity and asset management firms,ie buy-side, when they can't even land sell-side ie Investment banking. Let's not lie and be honest.

Adding Scheller or Goizueta will also include MBA grads. We are just trying to compare undergraduate programs.

Additionally, most of the kids at GT who land MBB are from the Industrial Engineering major, not Scheller.

You're proving PP's point. GT grads are being recruited to Mckinsey for engineering, IT roles, not consulting roles. Also most Emory grads would be recruited to Mckinsey from the Goizueta UNDERGRAD BBA program, which is not included in Emory College.

Most BBA students will put their undergrad college as their college on LinkedIn, not the business school. People will only put the business school in cases where the business school has a better brand than the parent school (like Wharton, Stern, or Ross).

MBB is recruiting GT IE grads for consulting roles, not IT roles. Peak frameworks, which you just cited, has GT as the #20 MBB feeder while Emory is not on the list: https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/consulting-target-schools

If you read their methodology, they’re just looking at consulting roles.

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Anonymous wrote:Back to Cornell, it's an elite school. But other schools have caught up with it in the rankings. It is also easier to get into, especially when considering the transfer option they provide.

It's not. Its current president is also a laughingstock

Well she does have two degrees from Ivy League institutions, so there’s that.

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Isn't Cornell currently in a fundraiser? Why is there endowment not increasing?

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OP is one of DCUM regular Cornell bashers hoping to fire things up again. 8 pages which is not back but much of it is not about Cornell.

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Anonymous wrote:Unlike the other Ivies, some of Cornell's colleges are state colleges. It is located in a rural area rather than concentrated on the more eastern coast. It started as primarily a land grant institute that was focused on agriculture. Typically when you think Ivy League you think wall street/business not farmer. This has all changed over time and Cornell's business school is strong but old ties, traditions, and reputation die hard.

And here I thought a local magnet funded the school and the land grant part came later.

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Y'all realize that CALS is the public school and the rest of the university is private, right?

It really isn't like the other state flagship and landgrants that way.

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Anonymous wrote:Y'all realize that CALS is the public school and the rest of the university is private, right?

It really isn't like the other state flagship and landgrants that way.

Ag, HumEc, and ILR are subsidized by the state.

A&S, Arch, Engr, and Hotel are private/endowment.

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MIT is a land grant institution too, so it’s odd to use that as a reason to diminish Cornell’s status.

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Anonymous wrote:MIT is a land grant institution too, so it’s odd to use that as a reason to diminish Cornell’s status.

As well as Berkeley

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https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/ib-target-schools