Divisionals

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Anonymous wrote:The NVSL D1 starter was a mess - icing heat after heat of kids until an 8U finally false started and was walked off deck sobbing. I’m not sure if they replaced the starter or he just got his head right, but it was better after that.

Other than that, Tuckahoe ran a great meet.

“Icing”?

The pp is probably referencing the starter giving the “stand” command after “Take your marks” because someone isn’t getting set.

That’s what they are supposed to do. Otherwise, you have an even worse situation where you made them wait to long.

PP here.
Yes. I agree.

Y’all clearly weren’t there. It was not done properly or he would not have been removed. Stop playing internet expert.

Can you actually explain what happened? What division you are talking about? And what you mean by “icing”? All these vague posts of yours aren’t helping. When was he removed?

The above is a mess of misinformation. The first half starter at the D1 divisionals meet had a slightly longer cadence than usual, perhaps because swimmers were wired and not getting set, perhaps to prevent swimmers from “anticipating starts,” as at least one team was coached to do this year. He issued the stand command several times. This seems to be what pp is referring to as “icing.”

An 8u swimmer wasn’t set, and was moving forward, so he issued the stand command. She continued forward, fell in, and dq’d. Burst into tears and was carted off by a coach.

If this swimmer went in after ‘stand,’ is it not a DQ. They should be allowed to swim.

I’m confused by that too. From the NVSL Handbook :

“A swimmer who would otherwise be charged with a false start may be relieved of the charge if the false start was caused by the swimmer’s reaction to the “stand up” command.”

At one of our A meets, one of the visiting 8u swimmers was doing something similar (leaning forward before the start and about to fall in). The starter gave the stand command just as he was falling in. It seemed like it was done for the purpose of saving the kid from being DQd.

If the stand command caused the swimmer to jump/false start, then it is not a DQ. In this case it sounded like the stand command was issued because forward motion had already started. In your example, that should have been a DQ.
That being said, benefit of the doubt always goes to the swimmer. If it was a true “fall in”, I wouldn’t call it.

This! The "stand" command does not automatically mean a kid who was moving forward/goes in after the "stand" can't DQ.

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Anonymous wrote:The tshirt vendor is ridiculous. The line was several hours long. I couldn’t believe how many parents were willing to wait hours in line for overpriced tshirts.

Ours didn't have an hours long line, but it was consistently busy and was definitely overpriced. Under prepared, too, since they seemed surprised to be so busy and by mid way through IMs they were already out of a decent number of items/sizes. The meet itself was well run, IMO, and only a bit behind the anticipated schedule. Plus my kid dropped time and was happy with her performance (especially since she hadn't even expected to swim Divisionals this year) so I give a thumbs up to the host pool and the experience as a whole.

Ours didn't even have t-shirts ("the vendor fell through").

Division 13?

The Division 7 shirts looked like someone printed and ironed on a bunch of old-school transfers at home. I'm a sucker and totally would have bought one for my 7 YO's first Divisionals if they weren't so lame

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Anonymous wrote:The NVSL D1 starter was a mess - icing heat after heat of kids until an 8U finally false started and was walked off deck sobbing. I’m not sure if they replaced the starter or he just got his head right, but it was better after that.

Other than that, Tuckahoe ran a great meet.

“Icing”?

The pp is probably referencing the starter giving the “stand” command after “Take your marks” because someone isn’t getting set.

That’s what they are supposed to do. Otherwise, you have an even worse situation where you made them wait to long.

PP here.
Yes. I agree.

Y’all clearly weren’t there. It was not done properly or he would not have been removed. Stop playing internet expert.

Can you actually explain what happened? What division you are talking about? And what you mean by “icing”? All these vague posts of yours aren’t helping. When was he removed?

The above is a mess of misinformation. The first half starter at the D1 divisionals meet had a slightly longer cadence than usual, perhaps because swimmers were wired and not getting set, perhaps to prevent swimmers from “anticipating starts,” as at least one team was coached to do this year. He issued the stand command several times. This seems to be what pp is referring to as “icing.”

An 8u swimmer wasn’t set, and was moving forward, so he issued the stand command. She continued forward, fell in, and dq’d. Burst into tears and was carted off by a coach.

If this swimmer went in after ‘stand,’ is it not a DQ. They should be allowed to swim.

I’m confused by that too. From the NVSL Handbook :

“A swimmer who would otherwise be charged with a false start may be relieved of the charge if the false start was caused by the swimmer’s reaction to the “stand up” command.”

At one of our A meets, one of the visiting 8u swimmers was doing something similar (leaning forward before the start and about to fall in). The starter gave the stand command just as he was falling in. It seemed like it was done for the purpose of saving the kid from being DQd.

If comes down to whether or not the starter and ref are a$%holes or not. For an 8u swimmer, DQing after stand is a dick move.

There aren’t different rules for 8u. If the ref and starter both confirm the DQ by the rules, it’s a DQ.

If the kid goes in after stand, it's a judgment call, but the starter and ref preserved the sanctity of rec summer swim so good for them

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Anonymous wrote:The tshirt vendor is ridiculous. The line was several hours long. I couldn’t believe how many parents were willing to wait hours in line for overpriced tshirts.

D10 t-shirt vendor was a complete disaster. Don’t know if this was an NVSL decision, but it was a mess … long lines, no kids sizes (even at 8am), and why on earth do custom printing instead of the usual pre-printed shirts.

I know people who stood in that line for over 2 hours, glad my DS didn’t care about the tee shirts. My only complaint was the announcer thought he was hosting a dance party instead of a swim meet. It was beyond loud and was running over an hour behind by the start of the 3rd stroke.

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Anonymous wrote:The NVSL D1 starter was a mess - icing heat after heat of kids until an 8U finally false started and was walked off deck sobbing. I’m not sure if they replaced the starter or he just got his head right, but it was better after that.

Other than that, Tuckahoe ran a great meet.

“Icing”?

The pp is probably referencing the starter giving the “stand” command after “Take your marks” because someone isn’t getting set.

That’s what they are supposed to do. Otherwise, you have an even worse situation where you made them wait to long.

PP here.
Yes. I agree.

Y’all clearly weren’t there. It was not done properly or he would not have been removed. Stop playing internet expert.

Can you actually explain what happened? What division you are talking about? And what you mean by “icing”? All these vague posts of yours aren’t helping. When was he removed?

The above is a mess of misinformation. The first half starter at the D1 divisionals meet had a slightly longer cadence than usual, perhaps because swimmers were wired and not getting set, perhaps to prevent swimmers from “anticipating starts,” as at least one team was coached to do this year. He issued the stand command several times. This seems to be what pp is referring to as “icing.”

An 8u swimmer wasn’t set, and was moving forward, so he issued the stand command. She continued forward, fell in, and dq’d. Burst into tears and was carted off by a coach.

If this swimmer went in after ‘stand,’ is it not a DQ. They should be allowed to swim.

I’m confused by that too. From the NVSL Handbook :

“A swimmer who would otherwise be charged with a false start may be relieved of the charge if the false start was caused by the swimmer’s reaction to the “stand up” command.”

At one of our A meets, one of the visiting 8u swimmers was doing something similar (leaning forward before the start and about to fall in). The starter gave the stand command just as he was falling in. It seemed like it was done for the purpose of saving the kid from being DQd.

The false start wasn’t caused by a reaction to the stand command. It was in progress when the starter called stand.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The NVSL D1 starter was a mess - icing heat after heat of kids until an 8U finally false started and was walked off deck sobbing. I’m not sure if they replaced the starter or he just got his head right, but it was better after that.

Other than that, Tuckahoe ran a great meet.

“Icing”?

The pp is probably referencing the starter giving the “stand” command after “Take your marks” because someone isn’t getting set.

That’s what they are supposed to do. Otherwise, you have an even worse situation where you made them wait to long.

PP here.
Yes. I agree.

Y’all clearly weren’t there. It was not done properly or he would not have been removed. Stop playing internet expert.

Can you actually explain what happened? What division you are talking about? And what you mean by “icing”? All these vague posts of yours aren’t helping. When was he removed?

The above is a mess of misinformation. The first half starter at the D1 divisionals meet had a slightly longer cadence than usual, perhaps because swimmers were wired and not getting set, perhaps to prevent swimmers from “anticipating starts,” as at least one team was coached to do this year. He issued the stand command several times. This seems to be what pp is referring to as “icing.”

An 8u swimmer wasn’t set, and was moving forward, so he issued the stand command. She continued forward, fell in, and dq’d. Burst into tears and was carted off by a coach.

Thank you for actual information!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The NVSL D1 starter was a mess - icing heat after heat of kids until an 8U finally false started and was walked off deck sobbing. I’m not sure if they replaced the starter or he just got his head right, but it was better after that.

Other than that, Tuckahoe ran a great meet.

“Icing”?

The pp is probably referencing the starter giving the “stand” command after “Take your marks” because someone isn’t getting set.

That’s what they are supposed to do. Otherwise, you have an even worse situation where you made them wait to long.

PP here.
Yes. I agree.

Y’all clearly weren’t there. It was not done properly or he would not have been removed. Stop playing internet expert.

Can you actually explain what happened? What division you are talking about? And what you mean by “icing”? All these vague posts of yours aren’t helping. When was he removed?

The above is a mess of misinformation. The first half starter at the D1 divisionals meet had a slightly longer cadence than usual, perhaps because swimmers were wired and not getting set, perhaps to prevent swimmers from “anticipating starts,” as at least one team was coached to do this year. He issued the stand command several times. This seems to be what pp is referring to as “icing.”

An 8u swimmer wasn’t set, and was moving forward, so he issued the stand command. She continued forward, fell in, and dq’d. Burst into tears and was carted off by a coach.

Thank you for actual information!

From someone who was there, the call appeared to be correct. 8&U girl was moving after coming to set. Field was not stationary, and so starter issued the stand command. Swimmer could not comply with command as she was moving forward. Her momentum carried her into the pool. By rule, both referee and starter would have independently had to verify this. The only way it could be excused was if there was a sound or disruption that caused the swimmer to go in. Otherwise, this is a textbook false start.


FROM US SWIMMING (and reposted as NVSL training materials)

FALSE START SCENARIO #2 Swimmer leaves the set or stationary position prior to the starting signal. The swimmer upon realizing the early starting motion attempts to catch himself/herself. Starter says absolutely nothing, and the swimmer fails to halt the forward motion and goes into the pool. Rule 101.1.3A applies. This is a false start.

FALSE START SCENARIO #3 Exactly the same facts as #2 above, but this time the Starter says “stand please” after the swimmer leaves the set or stationary position. The seven other swimmers stand or step down from the blocks. The offending swimmer struggles, but once again is unable to halt the forward motion and falls into the pool. Unlike scenario #2 above, here the starter said “stand please”, but that does not change the false start result. The rule is clear that the "stand" command is for the benefit of the other swimmers on the starting blocks. When the stand command is issued, the athletes have the option of standing or stepping off the blocks. The offending swimmer did neither. He fell into the pool just like the swimmer in scenario #2. Rule 101.1.3A applies. This is a false start.