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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The NVSL D1 starter was a mess - icing heat after heat of kids until an 8U finally false started and was walked off deck sobbing. I’m not sure if they replaced the starter or he just got his head right, but it was better after that.

Other than that, Tuckahoe ran a great meet. [/quote]

“Icing”?[/quote]

The pp is probably referencing the starter giving the “stand” command after “Take your marks” because someone isn’t getting set.[/quote]

That’s what they are supposed to do. Otherwise, you have an even worse situation where you made them wait to long. [/quote]

PP here.
Yes. I agree.[/quote]

Y’all clearly weren’t there. It was not done properly or he would not have been removed. Stop playing internet expert.[/quote]

Can you actually explain what happened? What division you are talking about? And what you mean by “icing”? All these vague posts of yours aren’t helping. When was he removed?[/quote]

The above is a mess of misinformation. The first half starter at the D1 divisionals meet had a slightly longer cadence than usual, perhaps because swimmers were wired and not getting set, perhaps to prevent swimmers from “anticipating starts,” as at least one team was coached to do this year. He issued the stand command several times. This seems to be what pp is referring to as “icing.”

An 8u swimmer wasn’t set, and was moving forward, so he issued the stand command. She continued forward, fell in, and dq’d. Burst into tears and was carted off by a coach.[/quote]

Thank you for actual information![/quote]

From someone who was there, the call appeared to be correct.  8&U girl was moving after coming to set.  Field was not stationary, and so starter issued the stand command.  Swimmer could not comply with command as she was moving forward.  Her momentum carried her into the pool.  By rule, both referee and starter would have independently had to verify this.  The only way it could be excused was if there was a sound or disruption that caused the swimmer to go in.  Otherwise, this is a textbook false start.

FROM US SWIMMING (and reposted as NVSL training materials)

FALSE START SCENARIO #2 Swimmer leaves the set or stationary position prior to the starting signal. The swimmer upon realizing the early starting motion attempts to catch himself/herself. Starter says absolutely nothing, and the swimmer fails to halt the forward motion and goes into the pool. Rule 101.1.3A applies. This is a false start.

FALSE START SCENARIO #3 Exactly the same facts as #2 above, but this time the Starter says “stand please” after the swimmer leaves the set or stationary position. The seven other swimmers stand or step down from the blocks. [b]The offending swimmer struggles, but once again is unable to halt the forward motion and falls into the pool. [/b]Unlike scenario #2 above, here the starter said “stand please”, but that does not change the false start result. The rule is clear that the "stand" command is for the benefit of the other swimmers on the starting blocks. When the stand command is issued, the athletes have the option of standing or stepping off the blocks. The offending swimmer did neither. He fell into the pool just like the swimmer in scenario #2. Rule 101.1.3A applies. [b]This is a false start. [/b]

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