Systemic bias against Asian-Americans in schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nobody complains more about this kind of thing than Chinese Americans. I think they are relatively new participants in America's grievance Olympics, but - as in most things - they really excel.

They feel discriminated agaist. I would be interested to know your race, gender, sexual preference and religion. Usually people who are in a group that doesn’t face discrimination say this type of thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody complains more about this kind of thing than Chinese Americans. I think they are relatively new participants in America's grievance Olympics, but - as in most things - they really excel.

They feel discriminated agaist. I would be interested to know your race, gender, sexual preference and religion. Usually people who are in a group that doesn’t face discrimination say this type of thing.

I'm a 63 year old heterosexual mixed race atheist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody complains more about this kind of thing than Chinese Americans. I think they are relatively new participants in America's grievance Olympics, but - as in most things - they really excel.

They feel discriminated agaist. I would be interested to know your race, gender, sexual preference and religion. Usually people who are in a group that doesn’t face discrimination say this type of thing.

I remember seeing a study that suggested Chinese and and Vietnamese people in California reported feeling more discriminated against than did Japanese, Filipino, and Korean people.

[Anonymous]

Related to the question of leadership positions (but not leadership selections among students), "Why East Asians but not South Asians are underrepresented in leadership positions in the United States."

The conclusion was that there is a culture of assertiveness among South Asians that is more consistent with American ideas of what leadership looks like which is not as prevalent among East Asians.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1918896117

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Related to the question of leadership positions (but not leadership selections among students), "Why East Asians but not South Asians are underrepresented in leadership positions in the United States."

The conclusion was that there is a culture of assertiveness among South Asians that is more consistent with American ideas of what leadership looks like which is not as prevalent among East Asians.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1918896117

Perhaps because South Asia was ruled by the Brits, they picked up some of that. Would be curious to know if there is a difference with the South Asians that come from areas that were ruled by Muslim kings in India even while the British were there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Related to the question of leadership positions (but not leadership selections among students), "Why East Asians but not South Asians are underrepresented in leadership positions in the United States."

The conclusion was that there is a culture of assertiveness among South Asians that is more consistent with American ideas of what leadership looks like which is not as prevalent among East Asians.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1918896117

I'm an East Asian woman, and very assertive. A lot of people don't like it. I'm also very petite. My parents deemed me "too much to handle" by a man. LOL I married a white European.

But, it's true that confucius based societies are all about hierarchies and group think.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We are at a school with a significant percentage of Asian-American students but mostly white teachers. We've noticed over the past year that when teachers have a choice to choose students for leadership positions such as for panels, if they have a request from an outside entity for students to speak with, student hosts for assemblies, or for leaders for class project they are not selecting AAPI students. It's really striking and when parents first brought this up to us I was skeptical but then we saw it happen again and again. They will choose students from other minority groups who comprise only a small percentage of students at the school so it is not all white students who are being chosen.

We moved to the area from California where we were at a school with a similar percentage of AAPI students and did not see this issue. What is going on? Is it just gross stereotyping that AAPI students are not good leaders or speakers? Are we just at a terrible school?

You are overthinking this. I’m so tired of these flimsy, racist threads.

This is a perfect example of how these concerns are dismissed and thrown under the rug.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wait until you get to MS and HS when teacher choose award recipients. You'll see how few Asian American students especially East Asian students get awards for anything other than grades.

This is not the case where my kids go. Their school is about 60% white and 30% Asian, and Asian students win most of the awards (except athletics!)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We are at a school with a significant percentage of Asian-American students but mostly white teachers. We've noticed over the past year that when teachers have a choice to choose students for leadership positions such as for panels, if they have a request from an outside entity for students to speak with, student hosts for assemblies, or for leaders for class project they are not selecting AAPI students. It's really striking and when parents first brought this up to us I was skeptical but then we saw it happen again and again. They will choose students from other minority groups who comprise only a small percentage of students at the school so it is not all white students who are being chosen.

We moved to the area from California where we were at a school with a similar percentage of AAPI students and did not see this issue. What is going on? Is it just gross stereotyping that AAPI students are not good leaders or speakers? Are we just at a terrible school?

You are overthinking this. I’m so tired of these flimsy, racist threads.

It's a popular topic with right-wing astroturfers. They feel they can sew grievance among AAPI voters with these false narratives.

Sow.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The anti-Asian sentiment by some posters is disgusting. It's even more disgusting because they seem to have no clue how racist they are being.

A lot of Asians are very racist.

A lot of <insert race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation> are <insert prejudice>. Bigotry is bad, and fetishizing race or other category traits is a prime cause—maybe the cause. The internet loves categories.

+1 do we need to remind people about the antisemitic undercurrent in the black community?

My Asian friend's DC plays HS basketball on a team with a lot of white/Asian kids. They were playing against a mostly Hispanic team, and the Hispanic team players were mocking the Asian players with racist slanty eye comments. The coaches and refs did nothing to stop it.

Pro affirmative action people always say how some organization should be representative of the community. Well, here we have a community of many Asian American students, but the higher ups don't want the leadership to reflect the community. If the kids were mostly URM, then I'm sure you'd all be singing a different tune.

Racism is alive and well against Asian Americans.

Keep voting for racism, and you'll get more of it.

Can’t tell if you’re asking the PP to vote D or R.

Then you’re not very bright.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Related to the question of leadership positions (but not leadership selections among students), "Why East Asians but not South Asians are underrepresented in leadership positions in the United States."

The conclusion was that there is a culture of assertiveness among South Asians that is more consistent with American ideas of what leadership looks like which is not as prevalent among East Asians.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1918896117

I don’t think it’s a matter of assertiveness, I think it’s the fact that English is a language in India. It’s one of the national languages. People are highly fluent in speaking, understanding, reading writing in English. And yes, that’s because of colonialism.

Even those that are uneducated that don’t have exposure to English as much know a words here and there. Hinglish is a dialect.

The fluency has given South Asians more opportunities for leadership positions here in America. But English is being heavily pushed in East Asian countries now so I expect to see more East Asians in leadership roles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:We are at a school with a significant percentage of Asian-American students but mostly white teachers. We've noticed over the past year that when teachers have a choice to choose students for leadership positions such as for panels, if they have a request from an outside entity for students to speak with, student hosts for assemblies, or for leaders for class project they are not selecting AAPI students. It's really striking and when parents first brought this up to us I was skeptical but then we saw it happen again and again. They will choose students from other minority groups who comprise only a small percentage of students at the school so it is not all white students who are being chosen.

We moved to the area from California where we were at a school with a similar percentage of AAPI students and did not see this issue. What is going on? Is it just gross stereotyping that AAPI students are not good leaders or speakers? Are we just at a terrible school?

You are overthinking this. I’m so tired of these flimsy, racist threads.

It's a popular topic with right-wing astroturfers. They feel they can sew grievance among AAPI voters with these false narratives.

Maybe so, but your bias is also showing. These right wingers have a point, beyond sowing discord, in that Asian students have shown to been, in some cases, to have been denied or socially engineered out of contention for placement at top schools. See the lower scores on “personality tests” at Harvard as an example.

It’s sad that the same folks who claim to want broad representation in schools have no issue suppressing advanced level Asian students because they don’t fear any repercussions or see Asians as some model minority who would “make it anyway” if they didn’t get in to the academically rigorous school of their choice or whatever. I mean it just seems like social engineering on so many levers, like doing away with race neutral standardized testing for entry, which really is the best predictor of a student’s ability.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wait until you get to MS and HS when teacher choose award recipients. You'll see how few Asian American students especially East Asian students get awards for anything other than grades.

This is not the case where my kids go. Their school is about 60% white and 30% Asian, and Asian students win most of the awards (except athletics!)

Our school that has a high percentage of Asians got rid of academic awards for this very reason a few years. Because all the winners were Asian and they didn't want that. They instead started "soft" awards of kids chosen by teachers. Every single one was white or another non-Asian minority.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Related to the question of leadership positions (but not leadership selections among students), "Why East Asians but not South Asians are underrepresented in leadership positions in the United States."

The conclusion was that there is a culture of assertiveness among South Asians that is more consistent with American ideas of what leadership looks like which is not as prevalent among East Asians.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1918896117

I don’t think it’s a matter of assertiveness, I think it’s the fact that English is a language in India. It’s one of the national languages. People are highly fluent in speaking, understanding, reading writing in English. And yes, that’s because of colonialism.

Even those that are uneducated that don’t have exposure to English as much know a words here and there. Hinglish is a dialect.

The fluency has given South Asians more opportunities for leadership positions here in America. But English is being heavily pushed in East Asian countries now so I expect to see more East Asians in leadership roles.

Lots of angles to this. The language issue is very real. When you go back generations having family that speaks fluent English it really helps. East Asians also tend to be smaller on average and are stereotyped as being meek. They also look more foreign and can't "pass" for another race. South Asian friends have been mistaken for Middle Eastern, Hispanic, white, while it's really rare for East Asian friends to be mistaken for another race. The long connections to the UK also make a difference with people having relatives and friends they can ask questions to about work culture, social and cultural issues, etc. whereas some East Asian immigrants come to the United States not having any connections but like PP said it's changing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wait until you get to MS and HS when teacher choose award recipients. You'll see how few Asian American students especially East Asian students get awards for anything other than grades.

This is not the case where my kids go. Their school is about 60% white and 30% Asian, and Asian students win most of the awards (except athletics!)

Our school that has a high percentage of Asians got rid of academic awards for this very reason a few years. Because all the winners were Asian and they didn't want that. They instead started "soft" awards of kids chosen by teachers. Every single one was white or another non-Asian minority.

Yes this.

My kids highly rated public school at graduation had speeches by a couple kids in the student gov’t (white), had all kids joining the military or military school stand for applause (mostly white), and another stand and applause for a sports team that went to states (mostly white and black). All were worthy of their applause and recognition.

National Merit Scholar finalists and winner, were not recognized at all. Not even a name read or head nod.

And the concept of class rank and valedictorian was eliminated years ago.