Systemic bias against Asian-Americans in schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some also claim that TJ is biased against Asians even though they're the most well-represented demographic.

The rule changes caused a 20% drop in the number of Asians in the TJ freshman class, and it mirrors a nationwide movement to reduce the number of Asians in magnet schools. NYC, San Francisco, Philadelphia, Boston, and MCPS all did the same.

NYC is notable in that the Asians are poor, and the URMs there have other pathways to success. But they did it anyway.

At some point you take the hint.

The hint being that a 100% class of Asians is not diverse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some also claim that TJ is biased against Asians even though they're the most well-represented demographic.

The rule changes caused a 20% drop in the number of Asians in the TJ freshman class, and it mirrors a nationwide movement to reduce the number of Asians in magnet schools. NYC, San Francisco, Philadelphia, Boston, and MCPS all did the same.

NYC is notable in that the Asians are poor, and the URMs there have other pathways to success. But they did it anyway.

At some point you take the hint.

The hint being that Asians are not allowed to have a majority.

Fixed it for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some also claim that TJ is biased against Asians even though they're the most well-represented demographic.

The rule changes caused a 20% drop in the number of Asians in the TJ freshman class, and it mirrors a nationwide movement to reduce the number of Asians in magnet schools. NYC, San Francisco, Philadelphia, Boston, and MCPS all did the same.

NYC is notable in that the Asians are poor, and the URMs there have other pathways to success. But they did it anyway.

At some point you take the hint.

The hint being that Asians are not allowed to have a majority.

Fixed it for you.

At TJ Asians are the majority.

But do Asians want to be the majority? It's harder to stand out that way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why isn't it enough that your super duper Kumon devouring child gets good grades and test scores? Why do they also have to be recognized at an award ceremony and oh, by someone fluent in their language who can read their name properly????? Jesus, give me a break!

so, because they are super duper kumon devouring kids who get stellar grades and test scores they should not be recognized for their super duper studying? But instead, we should celebrate mediocrity of others and non academic achievements because all super duper kumon devouring children already get super duper test scores so why bother recognizing them publicly?

Jesus, give me a break, indeed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some also claim that TJ is biased against Asians even though they're the most well-represented demographic.

The rule changes caused a 20% drop in the number of Asians in the TJ freshman class, and it mirrors a nationwide movement to reduce the number of Asians in magnet schools. NYC, San Francisco, Philadelphia, Boston, and MCPS all did the same.

NYC is notable in that the Asians are poor, and the URMs there have other pathways to success. But they did it anyway.

At some point you take the hint.

The hint being that Asians are not allowed to have a majority.

Fixed it for you.

At TJ Asians are the majority.

But do Asians want to be the majority? It's harder to stand out that way.

Right, but how many people are happy about it? I’m sure quite a few people would lower the Asian numbers even more if they could. Give it several years. See if people start clamoring for more change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why isn't it enough that your super duper Kumon devouring child gets good grades and test scores? Why do they also have to be recognized at an award ceremony and oh, by someone fluent in their language who can read their name properly????? Jesus, give me a break!

so, because they are super duper kumon devouring kids who get stellar grades and test scores they should not be recognized for their super duper studying? But instead, we should celebrate mediocrity of others and non academic achievements because all super duper kumon devouring children already get super duper test scores so why bother recognizing them publicly?

Jesus, give me a break, indeed.

Basically, that's exactly what I'm saying. This is exactly why these kids were rated so poorly on personality in the Harvard admissions data. There's a disconnect between what you want to see and hear and what the majority wants to see and hear. You keep driving home how well trained your child is study to the test but no one cares. They want to see personality, innovation and diversity of thought, approach and skill. You aren't showing that. When you have 1,000 applicants and 700 are Asian with 4.5 GPAs, who play violin and tennis, you're hurting your own chances because there is no diversity even within your application pool. It's boring simply. I know this hurts your little feelings but as someone who has worked at a college and with admissions staff, their eyes start to glaze over after awhile.

[Anonymous]

I posted in one of these threads about my DC’s teachers and administration mixing her up with her violin-playing Asian American classmates.

I think that is the true story of systematic bias. The Kumon/personality stuff is a distraction from the real issue. Even when an Asian American kid is NOT playing the kumon/tennis/4.5 GPA game and essentially plays along with the rules and system set by white families, schools and elite colleges, they still get unfairly dismissed as part of a group stereotype.

My Asian DC does not do stereotypical Asian American activities, excels in typically “white kid” activities, has excellent grades, etc. And yet she is still treated by teachers as part of a homogenous, faceless group and is essentially invisible and unseen as an individual. It’s a no-win game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why isn't it enough that your super duper Kumon devouring child gets good grades and test scores? Why do they also have to be recognized at an award ceremony and oh, by someone fluent in their language who can read their name properly????? Jesus, give me a break!

so, because they are super duper kumon devouring kids who get stellar grades and test scores they should not be recognized for their super duper studying? But instead, we should celebrate mediocrity of others and non academic achievements because all super duper kumon devouring children already get super duper test scores so why bother recognizing them publicly?

Jesus, give me a break, indeed.

Basically, that's exactly what I'm saying. This is exactly why these kids were rated so poorly on personality in the Harvard admissions data. There's a disconnect between what you want to see and hear and what the majority wants to see and hear. You keep driving home how well trained your child is study to the test but no one cares. They want to see personality, innovation and diversity of thought, approach and skill. You aren't showing that. When you have 1,000 applicants and 700 are Asian with 4.5 GPAs, who play violin and tennis, you're hurting your own chances because there is no diversity even within your application pool. It's boring simply. I know this hurts your little feelings but as someone who has worked at a college and with admissions staff, their eyes start to glaze over after awhile.

The interviewers rated them high. and the admissions rated them lower, because they know their mission is to hold down the number of Asians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why isn't it enough that your super duper Kumon devouring child gets good grades and test scores? Why do they also have to be recognized at an award ceremony and oh, by someone fluent in their language who can read their name properly????? Jesus, give me a break!

so, because they are super duper kumon devouring kids who get stellar grades and test scores they should not be recognized for their super duper studying? But instead, we should celebrate mediocrity of others and non academic achievements because all super duper kumon devouring children already get super duper test scores so why bother recognizing them publicly?

Jesus, give me a break, indeed.

Basically, that's exactly what I'm saying. This is exactly why these kids were rated so poorly on personality in the Harvard admissions data. There's a disconnect between what you want to see and hear and what the majority wants to see and hear. You keep driving home how well trained your child is study to the test but no one cares. They want to see personality, innovation and diversity of thought, approach and skill. You aren't showing that. When you have 1,000 applicants and 700 are Asian with 4.5 GPAs, who play violin and tennis, you're hurting your own chances because there is no diversity even within your application pool. It's boring simply. I know this hurts your little feelings but as someone who has worked at a college and with admissions staff, their eyes start to glaze over after awhile.

Wait-these kids are rated poorly on personality because they have terrible personalities? "These kids"? A whole race of kids with don't have personalit, innovation and diversity of thought?

Please ban this poster.
You have no place working at a college and with admissions staff. I hope someone can trace your identity and out you.

[Anonymous]

These comments are unbelievably ignorant and sound like they come from someone who has never even talked to a person with Asian heritage. News flash like all other people they are individuals with unique and interesting personalities. I'm really sorry that people have to see such horrible comments

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some also claim that TJ is biased against Asians even though they're the most well-represented demographic.

The rule changes caused a 20% drop in the number of Asians in the TJ freshman class, and it mirrors a nationwide movement to reduce the number of Asians in magnet schools. NYC, San Francisco, Philadelphia, Boston, and MCPS all did the same.

NYC is notable in that the Asians are poor, and the URMs there have other pathways to success. But they did it anyway.

At some point you take the hint.

The hint being that Asians are not allowed to have a majority.

Fixed it for you.

At TJ Asians are the majority.

But do Asians want to be the majority? It's harder to stand out that way.

Right, but how many people are happy about it? I’m sure quite a few people would lower the Asian numbers even more if they could. Give it several years. See if people start clamoring for more change.

I'm Asian, and all I want is to be around the best. I don't care what color or race they are. It just so happens that the best are Asian. I'll still make sure that I will stand out, because being around the best motivates me. My kid is the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some also claim that TJ is biased against Asians even though they're the most well-represented demographic.

The rule changes caused a 20% drop in the number of Asians in the TJ freshman class, and it mirrors a nationwide movement to reduce the number of Asians in magnet schools. NYC, San Francisco, Philadelphia, Boston, and MCPS all did the same.

NYC is notable in that the Asians are poor, and the URMs there have other pathways to success. But they did it anyway.

At some point you take the hint.

The hint being that Asians are not allowed to have a majority.

Fixed it for you.

At TJ Asians are the majority.

But do Asians want to be the majority? It's harder to stand out that way.

Right, but how many people are happy about it? I’m sure quite a few people would lower the Asian numbers even more if they could. Give it several years. See if people start clamoring for more change.

I'm Asian, and all I want is to be around the best. I don't care what color or race they are. It just so happens that the best are Asian. I'll still make sure that I will stand out, because being around the best motivates me. My kid is the same.

+1. My kid competes against himself, and no one expects more of him than himself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some also claim that TJ is biased against Asians even though they're the most well-represented demographic.

The rule changes caused a 20% drop in the number of Asians in the TJ freshman class, and it mirrors a nationwide movement to reduce the number of Asians in magnet schools. NYC, San Francisco, Philadelphia, Boston, and MCPS all did the same.

NYC is notable in that the Asians are poor, and the URMs there have other pathways to success. But they did it anyway.

At some point you take the hint.

The hint being that Asians are not allowed to have a majority.

Fixed it for you.

At TJ Asians are the majority.

But do Asians want to be the majority? It's harder to stand out that way.

Right, but how many people are happy about it? I’m sure quite a few people would lower the Asian numbers even more if they could. Give it several years. See if people start clamoring for more change.

I'm Asian, and all I want is to be around the best. I don't care what color or race they are. It just so happens that the best are Asian. I'll still make sure that I will stand out, because being around the best motivates me. My kid is the same.

The concept of their being a "best" in something as complex as academic and career achievement in a variety of social enterprises is where the disconnect is, I think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some also claim that TJ is biased against Asians even though they're the most well-represented demographic.

The rule changes caused a 20% drop in the number of Asians in the TJ freshman class, and it mirrors a nationwide movement to reduce the number of Asians in magnet schools. NYC, San Francisco, Philadelphia, Boston, and MCPS all did the same.

NYC is notable in that the Asians are poor, and the URMs there have other pathways to success. But they did it anyway.

At some point you take the hint.

The hint being that Asians are not allowed to have a majority.

Fixed it for you.

At TJ Asians are the majority.

But do Asians want to be the majority? It's harder to stand out that way.

Right, but how many people are happy about it? I’m sure quite a few people would lower the Asian numbers even more if they could. Give it several years. See if people start clamoring for more change.

I'm Asian, and all I want is to be around the best. I don't care what color or race they are. It just so happens that the best are Asian. I'll still make sure that I will stand out, because being around the best motivates me. My kid is the same.

The concept of their being a "best" in something as complex as academic and career achievement in a variety of social enterprises is where the disconnect is, I think.

Editing: there

[Anonymous]

The current FFX County school board was caught being openly hostile and racist against Asian students in work emails.

They never apologized for it either.

And it took a lawsuit against them to uncover their hostility and racism.

These same racists are still running the FCPS school system.