Has this board missed the huge contraction in tech?

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Anonymous wrote:We recently visited a college that is spending $225 million for a new Computer, Data and Information Sciences building. I don't think the sky is falling just yet.

Um, that’s what bubbles look like.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People don't seem to understand that the kids that graduate from a CS program and typically much more intelligent that the others who didn't, especially considering the competition to get into those programs over the past several years. Do you think they won't be able to figure out their careers relative to someone who majored in, what, English?

DD majored in English and she makes just as much as DD who majored in engineering. They have good jobs, are smart and talented, and are paid the same amount of money. I worry more about DD the engineer that she's going to plateau at some point. DD the English major has a great personality and loads of ability, so I expect she'll have a C-suite job before too long. DD the engineer will be successful, but I don't see her becoming a top executive. I hope I'm wrong and both continue to be very successful. My point is that an English degree is no barrier to success to those who are talented and ambitious.

sounds like that's more due to personality than major.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People don't seem to understand that the kids that graduate from a CS program and typically much more intelligent that the others who didn't, especially considering the competition to get into those programs over the past several years. Do you think they won't be able to figure out their careers relative to someone who majored in, what, English?

You do realize that smart people can have different interests and go into different fields? I’m not arguing that certain majors are not much harder than others. But there are plenty of brilliant people in the arts, humanities, and sciences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We recently visited a college that is spending $225 million for a new Computer, Data and Information Sciences building. I don't think the sky is falling just yet.

I don’t think that means what you think it means

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are engineers going back to school for CS degrees.

CS majors will still be in high demand and command good salaries. It doesn't necessarily have to be FAANG.

Even a CS graduate working for one of the many defense contractors in the DMV area will do well.

But as good as the last couple years? No.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are engineers going back to school for CS degrees.

CS majors will still be in high demand and command good salaries. It doesn't necessarily have to be FAANG.

Even a CS graduate working for one of the many defense contractors in the DMV area will do well.

But as good as the last couple years? No.

again, still better than English majors, or most majors. Top paying jobs are all engineers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People don't seem to understand that the kids that graduate from a CS program and typically much more intelligent that the others who didn't, especially considering the competition to get into those programs over the past several years. Do you think they won't be able to figure out their careers relative to someone who majored in, what, English?

Omg is this a joke? Like a caricature of how stupid people can be? You actually think a CS degree means someone is smarter than someone with an English degree? It's absurd that people think that all these code monkeys who can do math well are definitively smarter than people in other fields. The ignorance is really astounding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We recently visited a college that is spending $225 million for a new Computer, Data and Information Sciences building. I don't think the sky is falling just yet.

I don’t think that means what you think it means

Please enlighten me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People don't seem to understand that the kids that graduate from a CS program and typically much more intelligent that the others who didn't, especially considering the competition to get into those programs over the past several years. Do you think they won't be able to figure out their careers relative to someone who majored in, what, English?

This is a fascinating statement to make. We are all probably biased to think that our own type of intelligence is 'smarter' than others. I am in the humanities and generally speaking find computer science types to be inarticulate, less knowledgeable about history, geopolitics, and areas like philosophy and literature, and just generally lacking in the kind of wisdom that makes someone well rounded. I would certainly never think that someone with a CS degree was smarter than anyone else, on the contrary, based on my experience they tend to have a very limited type of intelligence.

[Anonymous]

Layoffs are a bit like yawning. One person yawning can spark a contagion of yawns by others.

Most tech companies are doing fine, but once someone like Facebook/Meta broke the ice and announced layoffs, it gave other companies cover to do the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People don't seem to understand that the kids that graduate from a CS program and typically much more intelligent that the others who didn't, especially considering the competition to get into those programs over the past several years. Do you think they won't be able to figure out their careers relative to someone who majored in, what, English?

Omg is this a joke? Like a caricature of how stupid people can be? You actually think a CS degree means someone is smarter than someone with an English degree? It's absurd that people think that all these code monkeys who can do math well are definitively smarter than people in other fields. The ignorance is really astounding.

Yes they are. On average. You need some pretty high stats to get into any of these programs. This can be used in many different areas. Employers know this. Code monkeys? You can't be serious

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Am very involved in the tech ecosystem and live here in DMV. Folks I know in the valley mostly have not found jobs yet. The Meta folks are struggling to find new work.

AI will crush many job types but especially so in tech. AI coding is ready quite good.

A company I know laid off its entire 20 person QA team and replaced with engineers QAing their own code with LLMs

It’s coming very fast. Human brains mostly are not evolving. AI is evolving weekly.

I’ve seen the next generation versions (we are about 6 mos into the public side of this) and they are rapidly evolving.

I don’t mean the world is ending thing. But I do mean that many jobs that we are training what we think are to-be high salaried future college grads for simply won’t be there

Remember how we used to all look at so called White Working Class and say “why are they so angry?”

Now get ready for that with CS grads in 5 years or less. The number of jobs will start to shrink fast. Meanwhile kids graduating with $200k+ of debt from private universities who expected the lifestyle of 150k plus starting comp and way more with RSUs and stock.

I personally would not encourage my kids to go in as CS (plus it’s hard as hell to get admitted given competition)

We need more skilled trades like plumbing and electrical but the DCUM crowd and our peers look down on that work. Just wait til those jobs pay more than tech coding jobs

It’s coming.

Signed,
25 year Silicon Valley guy now living in DC

Telling DCUM crowd to eschew CS for plumbing and electrician work.

Yeah...right.

You missed the point. Laugh all you want but all these CS kids graduating with hundreds of thousands of debt. Let’s see how it all plays out. Everyone is in the denial stage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People don't seem to understand that the kids that graduate from a CS program and typically much more intelligent that the others who didn't, especially considering the competition to get into those programs over the past several years. Do you think they won't be able to figure out their careers relative to someone who majored in, what, English?

Omg is this a joke? Like a caricature of how stupid people can be? You actually think a CS degree means someone is smarter than someone with an English degree? It's absurd that people think that all these code monkeys who can do math well are definitively smarter than people in other fields. The ignorance is really astounding.

Yikes. Calm down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Am very involved in the tech ecosystem and live here in DMV. Folks I know in the valley mostly have not found jobs yet. The Meta folks are struggling to find new work.

AI will crush many job types but especially so in tech. AI coding is ready quite good.

A company I know laid off its entire 20 person QA team and replaced with engineers QAing their own code with LLMs

It’s coming very fast. Human brains mostly are not evolving. AI is evolving weekly.

I’ve seen the next generation versions (we are about 6 mos into the public side of this) and they are rapidly evolving.

I don’t mean the world is ending thing. But I do mean that many jobs that we are training what we think are to-be high salaried future college grads for simply won’t be there

Remember how we used to all look at so called White Working Class and say “why are they so angry?”

Now get ready for that with CS grads in 5 years or less. The number of jobs will start to shrink fast. Meanwhile kids graduating with $200k+ of debt from private universities who expected the lifestyle of 150k plus starting comp and way more with RSUs and stock.

I personally would not encourage my kids to go in as CS (plus it’s hard as hell to get admitted given competition)

We need more skilled trades like plumbing and electrical but the DCUM crowd and our peers look down on that work. Just wait til those jobs pay more than tech coding jobs

It’s coming.

Signed,
25 year Silicon Valley guy now living in DC

Telling DCUM crowd to eschew CS for plumbing and electrician work.

Yeah...right.

You missed the point. Laugh all you want but all these CS kids graduating with hundreds of thousands of debt. Let’s see how it all plays out. Everyone is in the denial stage.

Not when you attend a large state school on scholarship with a well respected CS program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We recently visited a college that is spending $225 million for a new Computer, Data and Information Sciences building. I don't think the sky is falling just yet.

I don’t think that means what you think it means

Please enlighten me.[/quote
Just because the school found money for a building doesn’t mean it will be filled with students who will have the same prospects as CS majors from the bubble did. The decision to budget money for the building is completely unrelated to any fact about the future, actually.