Conservative confusion over schools

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I'm not going to pretend that we havent been teaching slavery, the Underground Railroad, segregation and Jim Crow in schools. I learned about this in school. So did you. That is how we all know about it.

So the question is, do you think our kids should continue learning about slavery? I feel like most people would say yes. Slavery is part of our history. It happened.
But...if you purposely mislabel the teaching of slavery as "critical race theory" then you can muddy the waters without seeming overtly racist. It's a dog whistle.

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2022/06/29/florida-teachers-raise-concerns-about-new-civics-training-say-it-downplays-slavery-promotes-originalism/

Yes. Literally no one is advocating for the removal of history lessons about slavery. In fact, I think the lessons need to go further with actual names of significant slaves in history, such as notable military figures, Sally Hemmings and Thomas Jefferson's kids, etc.

CRT has nothing to do with teaching history accurately.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Glenn Youngkin won because FCPS goals like this:
“ Updated for the 2022-2023 school year.

Goal 1

By the end of SY 2022-23 Virginia Standards of Learning (SOL) pass rates will increase by 11% points for all students and by 21% points for English Learners.

Goal 2

By the end of SY 2022-23 participation of underrepresented groups in Algebra 1 by 8th grade will increase by 4% points in the following reporting groups:

Black Students
English Learners
Economically Disadvantaged Students
Hispanic Students“

And plans like this:
Young Scholars is:

Designed to identify and nurture students with high academic potential from historically underrepresented groups* in Advanced Academic Programs (AAP) and courses
…
*Twice exceptional, English Learners, Black, Hispanic, or economically vulnerable

Introducing initiatives like VMPI.

Loudoun County shenanigans

TJ Admissions changes that also cater to the missions of the above efforts.

And then the dem self owns like libs of tick tok and opposing reasonable efforts like Desantis ‘don’t say gay’ bills.

….

There’s a large group of people not receiving representation in these efforts and their voting habits will reflect that.

And classics like the privilege bingo aren’t helping:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/northern-virginia/privilege-bingo-in-fairfax-co-class-meets-controversy-after-it-includes-being-a-military-kid/2942443/

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Anonymous wrote:Ever since Glenn Youngkin squeaked to victory on a bad-faith platform that exploited suburban fears about public schools, Republicans everywhere have been adopting the playbook. Yell about “parental rights” and attack the phantom CRT menace. Lambast “equity” programs, especially if commitments to those can be juxtaposed against changes to academic programs that are tailored to higher-achieving students like honors classes.

Obviously we all know beyond being a cynical attempt to win elections, the real agenda behind this attack on education is to dumb down the future electorate since poorly educated people tend to vote more conservative. It’s also about trying to redirect taxpayer dollars to fund public schools to for-profit companies that run charter schools and also to religious-based private schools.

In Florida, Ron DeSantis has taken it a bit further and, in the name of protesting “liberal indoctrination” at post-secondary education (something that doesn’t actually exist, like CRT being taught in grade schools, but the dumbed down and frightened electorate doesn’t grasp this) but deliberately doing things like trying to turn a public school into a bastion of right-wing, reactionary education (see what’s happening at the New College).

But this has all gone completely meta now. Even as Republicans complain that the focus on equity in K-12 is resulting in things like honors programs being emphasized, DeSantis (whose policies and rhetoric are copied as much as Youngkin’s) is planning to do with AP courses IN THEIR ENTIRETY in Florida high schools. Because they’re too woke or something.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/02/18/4-things-know-about-ron-desantis-idea-slash-ap-courses-florida/

Make it make sense.

Not only that, Youngkin sent out a bat signal and got far right activists from all around the country to converge on NoVA school board meetings pretending to be local parents shrieking about everything and anything including imaginary CRT, resulting in school board members and school officials receiving horrific threats to rape and murder them and their children, burn their houses down and so on.

Calling it bad-faith is too gentle.

You are willfully ignoring what happened. Read the Grand Jury report.

The rape and how it was handled was bad, yes. But the far right also willfully ignored a lot of other aspects of the case that were out of the district's hands and made a lot of wrongful accusations, along with their far-right CRT lies and everything else. And despite the rape, NOTHING warranted those far right loons storming meetings lying and falsely pretending they were district parents, and making horrific threats to rape, torture, burn alive, murder school board members, school officials and their families. That was utterly disgusting, terroristic behavior by the far right and you may not willfully ignore that either.

This is what I remember about the parents who "stormed" the meeting.

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Can you imagine being the parent of a girl who was raped - and then being treated like this? Just disgusting. The PP is repulsive.

Stop it.

The rape is one issue. It was horrible and was badly mishandled.

BUT. The violent threats are a separate issue, absolutely NOT justified by the first. And the violent threats weren't just about the rape, since school boards in many other places around the country were also accosted by right wing extremists. The violent threats have been over CRT and every other delusional fever dream of the far right.

Okay. Go ask the FBI to investigate all those terrorist parents.

Oh wait.

The FBI was in fact called in. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-addresses-violent-threats-against-school-officials-and-teachers

So no indictments. As we were saying, girls actually got raped at Loudon schools due to callous behavior by school officials. Violence against school officials never occurred.

I have no idea if there were indictments or not but the threats of violence definitely happened. I had a number of bookmarked posts when I was still on Twitter, that included recordings of phone messages, screenshots of text messages and emails, photos of notes received by mail and even placed at their houses. There were a LOT of threats, and many were grotesque and disgusting.

FBI and local police investigated (I also recall seeing posts from Loudoun County Sheriffs Department about it), but as often is the case, the perpetrators likely just off with a warning, despite it being a felony in most jurisdictions to threaten to harm people or destroy their property under terrorstic threat statutes.

It's truly bizarre that you are SO invested in lying, denying the threats occurred, repeatedly attempting to gaslight posters by calling them "insane," dismissing articles as "not credible" and so on.
Nobody here ever denied the rape happened. Why are you so invested in your lies and denials?

I'm invested in the notion that Youngkin won bc parents correctly perceived that the school board was out of line. I'm sure there were some crazies at the meetings and some threats of violence. However, I dont believe your narrative that parents who want things like safe schools and normal history lessons are violent right wing extremists. And the fact that there were no indictments really casts doubt on your version of events, in which school officials suffered violence. Kids suffered violence in those schools. And no trans children were involved whatsoever, so the political narrative is a total red herring by the left to villanize the parents.

Ahh, a red herring fabricated by the left wing. Funny, because last night I saw an entire thread full of endless screeching about people with penises in womens bathrooms and they definitely weren't liberals.

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I'm not going to pretend that we havent been teaching slavery, the Underground Railroad, segregation and Jim Crow in schools. I learned about this in school. So did you. That is how we all know about it.

So the question is, do you think our kids should continue learning about slavery? I feel like most people would say yes. Slavery is part of our history. It happened.
But...if you purposely mislabel the teaching of slavery as "critical race theory" then you can muddy the waters without seeming overtly racist. It's a dog whistle.

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2022/06/29/florida-teachers-raise-concerns-about-new-civics-training-say-it-downplays-slavery-promotes-originalism/

Yes. Literally no one is advocating for the removal of history lessons about slavery. In fact, I think the lessons need to go further with actual names of significant slaves in history, such as notable military figures, Sally Hemmings and Thomas Jefferson's kids, etc.

CRT has nothing to do with teaching history accurately.

You don't know what CRT is or isn't, other than it's a convenient bogeyman word to trigger the right wing.

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Anonymous wrote:Ever since Glenn Youngkin squeaked to victory on a bad-faith platform that exploited suburban fears about public schools, Republicans everywhere have been adopting the playbook. Yell about “parental rights” and attack the phantom CRT menace. Lambast “equity” programs, especially if commitments to those can be juxtaposed against changes to academic programs that are tailored to higher-achieving students like honors classes.

Obviously we all know beyond being a cynical attempt to win elections, the real agenda behind this attack on education is to dumb down the future electorate since poorly educated people tend to vote more conservative. It’s also about trying to redirect taxpayer dollars to fund public schools to for-profit companies that run charter schools and also to religious-based private schools.

In Florida, Ron DeSantis has taken it a bit further and, in the name of protesting “liberal indoctrination” at post-secondary education (something that doesn’t actually exist, like CRT being taught in grade schools, but the dumbed down and frightened electorate doesn’t grasp this) but deliberately doing things like trying to turn a public school into a bastion of right-wing, reactionary education (see what’s happening at the New College).

But this has all gone completely meta now. Even as Republicans complain that the focus on equity in K-12 is resulting in things like honors programs being emphasized, DeSantis (whose policies and rhetoric are copied as much as Youngkin’s) is planning to do with AP courses IN THEIR ENTIRETY in Florida high schools. Because they’re too woke or something.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/02/18/4-things-know-about-ron-desantis-idea-slash-ap-courses-florida/

Make it make sense.

Not only that, Youngkin sent out a bat signal and got far right activists from all around the country to converge on NoVA school board meetings pretending to be local parents shrieking about everything and anything including imaginary CRT, resulting in school board members and school officials receiving horrific threats to rape and murder them and their children, burn their houses down and so on.

Calling it bad-faith is too gentle.

You are willfully ignoring what happened. Read the Grand Jury report.

The rape and how it was handled was bad, yes. But the far right also willfully ignored a lot of other aspects of the case that were out of the district's hands and made a lot of wrongful accusations, along with their far-right CRT lies and everything else. And despite the rape, NOTHING warranted those far right loons storming meetings lying and falsely pretending they were district parents, and making horrific threats to rape, torture, burn alive, murder school board members, school officials and their families. That was utterly disgusting, terroristic behavior by the far right and you may not willfully ignore that either.

This is what I remember about the parents who "stormed" the meeting.

+1
Can you imagine being the parent of a girl who was raped - and then being treated like this? Just disgusting. The PP is repulsive.

Stop it.

The rape is one issue. It was horrible and was badly mishandled.

BUT. The violent threats are a separate issue, absolutely NOT justified by the first. And the violent threats weren't just about the rape, since school boards in many other places around the country were also accosted by right wing extremists. The violent threats have been over CRT and every other delusional fever dream of the far right.

Okay. Go ask the FBI to investigate all those terrorist parents.

Oh wait.

The FBI was in fact called in. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-addresses-violent-threats-against-school-officials-and-teachers

So no indictments. As we were saying, girls actually got raped at Loudon schools due to callous behavior by school officials. Violence against school officials never occurred.

I have no idea if there were indictments or not but the threats of violence definitely happened. I had a number of bookmarked posts when I was still on Twitter, that included recordings of phone messages, screenshots of text messages and emails, photos of notes received by mail and even placed at their houses. There were a LOT of threats, and many were grotesque and disgusting.

FBI and local police investigated (I also recall seeing posts from Loudoun County Sheriffs Department about it), but as often is the case, the perpetrators likely just off with a warning, despite it being a felony in most jurisdictions to threaten to harm people or destroy their property under terrorstic threat statutes.

It's truly bizarre that you are SO invested in lying, denying the threats occurred, repeatedly attempting to gaslight posters by calling them "insane," dismissing articles as "not credible" and so on.
Nobody here ever denied the rape happened. Why are you so invested in your lies and denials?

I'm invested in the notion that Youngkin won bc parents correctly perceived that the school board was out of line. I'm sure there were some crazies at the meetings and some threats of violence. However, I dont believe your narrative that parents who want things like safe schools and normal history lessons are violent right wing extremists. And the fact that there were no indictments really casts doubt on your version of events, in which school officials suffered violence. Kids suffered violence in those schools. And no trans children were involved whatsoever, so the political narrative is a total red herring by the left to villanize the parents.

Turns out there were in fact arrests and indictments of people who made threats over the Loudoun County Stone Bridge High School rape. https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/alexandria-man-31-charged-with-making-threats-to-loudoun-high-school/article_83bd263e-5337-11ec-a1b4-5b0a55b44cc4.html

That, combined with the fact that the far right did in fact make it about trans bathrooms, casts doubt on YOUR version of events.

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Anonymous wrote:Ever since Glenn Youngkin squeaked to victory on a bad-faith platform that exploited suburban fears about public schools, Republicans everywhere have been adopting the playbook. Yell about “parental rights” and attack the phantom CRT menace. Lambast “equity” programs, especially if commitments to those can be juxtaposed against changes to academic programs that are tailored to higher-achieving students like honors classes.

Obviously we all know beyond being a cynical attempt to win elections, the real agenda behind this attack on education is to dumb down the future electorate since poorly educated people tend to vote more conservative. It’s also about trying to redirect taxpayer dollars to fund public schools to for-profit companies that run charter schools and also to religious-based private schools.

In Florida, Ron DeSantis has taken it a bit further and, in the name of protesting “liberal indoctrination” at post-secondary education (something that doesn’t actually exist, like CRT being taught in grade schools, but the dumbed down and frightened electorate doesn’t grasp this) but deliberately doing things like trying to turn a public school into a bastion of right-wing, reactionary education (see what’s happening at the New College).

But this has all gone completely meta now. Even as Republicans complain that the focus on equity in K-12 is resulting in things like honors programs being emphasized, DeSantis (whose policies and rhetoric are copied as much as Youngkin’s) is planning to do with AP courses IN THEIR ENTIRETY in Florida high schools. Because they’re too woke or something.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/02/18/4-things-know-about-ron-desantis-idea-slash-ap-courses-florida/

Make it make sense.

Not only that, Youngkin sent out a bat signal and got far right activists from all around the country to converge on NoVA school board meetings pretending to be local parents shrieking about everything and anything including imaginary CRT, resulting in school board members and school officials receiving horrific threats to rape and murder them and their children, burn their houses down and so on.

Calling it bad-faith is too gentle.

You are willfully ignoring what happened. Read the Grand Jury report.

The rape and how it was handled was bad, yes. But the far right also willfully ignored a lot of other aspects of the case that were out of the district's hands and made a lot of wrongful accusations, along with their far-right CRT lies and everything else. And despite the rape, NOTHING warranted those far right loons storming meetings lying and falsely pretending they were district parents, and making horrific threats to rape, torture, burn alive, murder school board members, school officials and their families. That was utterly disgusting, terroristic behavior by the far right and you may not willfully ignore that either.

This is what I remember about the parents who "stormed" the meeting.

+1
Can you imagine being the parent of a girl who was raped - and then being treated like this? Just disgusting. The PP is repulsive.

Stop it.

The rape is one issue. It was horrible and was badly mishandled.

BUT. The violent threats are a separate issue, absolutely NOT justified by the first. And the violent threats weren't just about the rape, since school boards in many other places around the country were also accosted by right wing extremists. The violent threats have been over CRT and every other delusional fever dream of the far right.

Okay. Go ask the FBI to investigate all those terrorist parents.

Oh wait.

The FBI was in fact called in. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-addresses-violent-threats-against-school-officials-and-teachers

So no indictments. As we were saying, girls actually got raped at Loudon schools due to callous behavior by school officials. Violence against school officials never occurred.

I have no idea if there were indictments or not but the threats of violence definitely happened. I had a number of bookmarked posts when I was still on Twitter, that included recordings of phone messages, screenshots of text messages and emails, photos of notes received by mail and even placed at their houses. There were a LOT of threats, and many were grotesque and disgusting.

FBI and local police investigated (I also recall seeing posts from Loudoun County Sheriffs Department about it), but as often is the case, the perpetrators likely just off with a warning, despite it being a felony in most jurisdictions to threaten to harm people or destroy their property under terrorstic threat statutes.

It's truly bizarre that you are SO invested in lying, denying the threats occurred, repeatedly attempting to gaslight posters by calling them "insane," dismissing articles as "not credible" and so on.
Nobody here ever denied the rape happened. Why are you so invested in your lies and denials?

I'm invested in the notion that Youngkin won bc parents correctly perceived that the school board was out of line. I'm sure there were some crazies at the meetings and some threats of violence. However, I dont believe your narrative that parents who want things like safe schools and normal history lessons are violent right wing extremists. And the fact that there were no indictments really casts doubt on your version of events, in which school officials suffered violence. Kids suffered violence in those schools. And no trans children were involved whatsoever, so the political narrative is a total red herring by the left to villanize the parents.

Turns out there were in fact arrests and indictments of people who made threats over the Loudoun County Stone Bridge High School rape. https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/alexandria-man-31-charged-with-making-threats-to-loudoun-high-school/article_83bd263e-5337-11ec-a1b4-5b0a55b44cc4.html

That, combined with the fact that the far right did in fact make it about trans bathrooms, casts doubt on YOUR version of events.

That wasn't the only arrest, either. https://www.loudountimes.com/news/stone-bridge-high-school-placed-in-secure-the-building-mode-after-threat-sheriffs-office-investigating/article_06170194-593d-11ec-bdde-5766903fc890.html

Robert Ruiz, Shane Lucas and likely others were arrested over threats made.

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Anonymous wrote:Ever since Glenn Youngkin squeaked to victory on a bad-faith platform that exploited suburban fears about public schools, Republicans everywhere have been adopting the playbook. Yell about “parental rights” and attack the phantom CRT menace. Lambast “equity” programs, especially if commitments to those can be juxtaposed against changes to academic programs that are tailored to higher-achieving students like honors classes.

Obviously we all know beyond being a cynical attempt to win elections, the real agenda behind this attack on education is to dumb down the future electorate since poorly educated people tend to vote more conservative. It’s also about trying to redirect taxpayer dollars to fund public schools to for-profit companies that run charter schools and also to religious-based private schools.

In Florida, Ron DeSantis has taken it a bit further and, in the name of protesting “liberal indoctrination” at post-secondary education (something that doesn’t actually exist, like CRT being taught in grade schools, but the dumbed down and frightened electorate doesn’t grasp this) but deliberately doing things like trying to turn a public school into a bastion of right-wing, reactionary education (see what’s happening at the New College).

But this has all gone completely meta now. Even as Republicans complain that the focus on equity in K-12 is resulting in things like honors programs being emphasized, DeSantis (whose policies and rhetoric are copied as much as Youngkin’s) is planning to do with AP courses IN THEIR ENTIRETY in Florida high schools. Because they’re too woke or something.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/02/18/4-things-know-about-ron-desantis-idea-slash-ap-courses-florida/

Make it make sense.

Not only that, Youngkin sent out a bat signal and got far right activists from all around the country to converge on NoVA school board meetings pretending to be local parents shrieking about everything and anything including imaginary CRT, resulting in school board members and school officials receiving horrific threats to rape and murder them and their children, burn their houses down and so on.

Calling it bad-faith is too gentle.

You are willfully ignoring what happened. Read the Grand Jury report.

The rape and how it was handled was bad, yes. But the far right also willfully ignored a lot of other aspects of the case that were out of the district's hands and made a lot of wrongful accusations, along with their far-right CRT lies and everything else. And despite the rape, NOTHING warranted those far right loons storming meetings lying and falsely pretending they were district parents, and making horrific threats to rape, torture, burn alive, murder school board members, school officials and their families. That was utterly disgusting, terroristic behavior by the far right and you may not willfully ignore that either.

This is what I remember about the parents who "stormed" the meeting.

+1
Can you imagine being the parent of a girl who was raped - and then being treated like this? Just disgusting. The PP is repulsive.

Stop it.

The rape is one issue. It was horrible and was badly mishandled.

BUT. The violent threats are a separate issue, absolutely NOT justified by the first. And the violent threats weren't just about the rape, since school boards in many other places around the country were also accosted by right wing extremists. The violent threats have been over CRT and every other delusional fever dream of the far right.

Okay. Go ask the FBI to investigate all those terrorist parents.

Oh wait.

The FBI was in fact called in. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-addresses-violent-threats-against-school-officials-and-teachers

So no indictments. As we were saying, girls actually got raped at Loudon schools due to callous behavior by school officials. Violence against school officials never occurred.

I have no idea if there were indictments or not but the threats of violence definitely happened. I had a number of bookmarked posts when I was still on Twitter, that included recordings of phone messages, screenshots of text messages and emails, photos of notes received by mail and even placed at their houses. There were a LOT of threats, and many were grotesque and disgusting.

FBI and local police investigated (I also recall seeing posts from Loudoun County Sheriffs Department about it), but as often is the case, the perpetrators likely just off with a warning, despite it being a felony in most jurisdictions to threaten to harm people or destroy their property under terrorstic threat statutes.

It's truly bizarre that you are SO invested in lying, denying the threats occurred, repeatedly attempting to gaslight posters by calling them "insane," dismissing articles as "not credible" and so on.
Nobody here ever denied the rape happened. Why are you so invested in your lies and denials?

I'm invested in the notion that Youngkin won bc parents correctly perceived that the school board was out of line. I'm sure there were some crazies at the meetings and some threats of violence. However, I dont believe your narrative that parents who want things like safe schools and normal history lessons are violent right wing extremists. And the fact that there were no indictments really casts doubt on your version of events, in which school officials suffered violence. Kids suffered violence in those schools. And no trans children were involved whatsoever, so the political narrative is a total red herring by the left to villanize the parents.

Turns out there were in fact arrests and indictments of people who made threats over the Loudoun County Stone Bridge High School rape. https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/alexandria-man-31-charged-with-making-threats-to-loudoun-high-school/article_83bd263e-5337-11ec-a1b4-5b0a55b44cc4.html

That, combined with the fact that the far right did in fact make it about trans bathrooms, casts doubt on YOUR version of events.

That wasn't the only arrest, either. https://www.loudountimes.com/news/stone-bridge-high-school-placed-in-secure-the-building-mode-after-threat-sheriffs-office-investigating/article_06170194-593d-11ec-bdde-5766903fc890.html

Robert Ruiz, Shane Lucas and likely others were arrested over threats made.

So to recap, the poster above repeatedly lied, repeatedly denied that the threats happened, said it wasn't credible, shrugged off numerous news articles talking about the threats, repeatedly gaslit posters and called them "insane" for trying to suggest the threats happened... yet they happened and there were arrests.

Unacceptable. Why all the repeated gaslighting, lies and denials? You need to stop.

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Anonymous wrote:Ever since Glenn Youngkin squeaked to victory on a bad-faith platform that exploited suburban fears about public schools, Republicans everywhere have been adopting the playbook. Yell about “parental rights” and attack the phantom CRT menace. Lambast “equity” programs, especially if commitments to those can be juxtaposed against changes to academic programs that are tailored to higher-achieving students like honors classes.

Obviously we all know beyond being a cynical attempt to win elections, the real agenda behind this attack on education is to dumb down the future electorate since poorly educated people tend to vote more conservative. It’s also about trying to redirect taxpayer dollars to fund public schools to for-profit companies that run charter schools and also to religious-based private schools.

In Florida, Ron DeSantis has taken it a bit further and, in the name of protesting “liberal indoctrination” at post-secondary education (something that doesn’t actually exist, like CRT being taught in grade schools, but the dumbed down and frightened electorate doesn’t grasp this) but deliberately doing things like trying to turn a public school into a bastion of right-wing, reactionary education (see what’s happening at the New College).

But this has all gone completely meta now. Even as Republicans complain that the focus on equity in K-12 is resulting in things like honors programs being emphasized, DeSantis (whose policies and rhetoric are copied as much as Youngkin’s) is planning to do with AP courses IN THEIR ENTIRETY in Florida high schools. Because they’re too woke or something.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/02/18/4-things-know-about-ron-desantis-idea-slash-ap-courses-florida/

Make it make sense.

Not only that, Youngkin sent out a bat signal and got far right activists from all around the country to converge on NoVA school board meetings pretending to be local parents shrieking about everything and anything including imaginary CRT, resulting in school board members and school officials receiving horrific threats to rape and murder them and their children, burn their houses down and so on.

Calling it bad-faith is too gentle.

You are willfully ignoring what happened. Read the Grand Jury report.

The rape and how it was handled was bad, yes. But the far right also willfully ignored a lot of other aspects of the case that were out of the district's hands and made a lot of wrongful accusations, along with their far-right CRT lies and everything else. And despite the rape, NOTHING warranted those far right loons storming meetings lying and falsely pretending they were district parents, and making horrific threats to rape, torture, burn alive, murder school board members, school officials and their families. That was utterly disgusting, terroristic behavior by the far right and you may not willfully ignore that either.

This is what I remember about the parents who "stormed" the meeting.

+1
Can you imagine being the parent of a girl who was raped - and then being treated like this? Just disgusting. The PP is repulsive.

Stop it.

The rape is one issue. It was horrible and was badly mishandled.

BUT. The violent threats are a separate issue, absolutely NOT justified by the first. And the violent threats weren't just about the rape, since school boards in many other places around the country were also accosted by right wing extremists. The violent threats have been over CRT and every other delusional fever dream of the far right.

Okay. Go ask the FBI to investigate all those terrorist parents.

Oh wait.

The FBI was in fact called in. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-addresses-violent-threats-against-school-officials-and-teachers

So no indictments. As we were saying, girls actually got raped at Loudon schools due to callous behavior by school officials. Violence against school officials never occurred.

I have no idea if there were indictments or not but the threats of violence definitely happened. I had a number of bookmarked posts when I was still on Twitter, that included recordings of phone messages, screenshots of text messages and emails, photos of notes received by mail and even placed at their houses. There were a LOT of threats, and many were grotesque and disgusting.

FBI and local police investigated (I also recall seeing posts from Loudoun County Sheriffs Department about it), but as often is the case, the perpetrators likely just off with a warning, despite it being a felony in most jurisdictions to threaten to harm people or destroy their property under terrorstic threat statutes.

It's truly bizarre that you are SO invested in lying, denying the threats occurred, repeatedly attempting to gaslight posters by calling them "insane," dismissing articles as "not credible" and so on.
Nobody here ever denied the rape happened. Why are you so invested in your lies and denials?

I'm invested in the notion that Youngkin won bc parents correctly perceived that the school board was out of line. I'm sure there were some crazies at the meetings and some threats of violence. However, I dont believe your narrative that parents who want things like safe schools and normal history lessons are violent right wing extremists. And the fact that there were no indictments really casts doubt on your version of events, in which school officials suffered violence. Kids suffered violence in those schools. And no trans children were involved whatsoever, so the political narrative is a total red herring by the left to villanize the parents.

Ahh, a red herring fabricated by the left wing. Funny, because last night I saw an entire thread full of endless screeching about people with penises in womens bathrooms and they definitely weren't liberals.

In the case of the Loudon issue, it was a red herring. The rapist was not trans.

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Anonymous wrote:Ever since Glenn Youngkin squeaked to victory on a bad-faith platform that exploited suburban fears about public schools, Republicans everywhere have been adopting the playbook. Yell about “parental rights” and attack the phantom CRT menace. Lambast “equity” programs, especially if commitments to those can be juxtaposed against changes to academic programs that are tailored to higher-achieving students like honors classes.

Obviously we all know beyond being a cynical attempt to win elections, the real agenda behind this attack on education is to dumb down the future electorate since poorly educated people tend to vote more conservative. It’s also about trying to redirect taxpayer dollars to fund public schools to for-profit companies that run charter schools and also to religious-based private schools.

In Florida, Ron DeSantis has taken it a bit further and, in the name of protesting “liberal indoctrination” at post-secondary education (something that doesn’t actually exist, like CRT being taught in grade schools, but the dumbed down and frightened electorate doesn’t grasp this) but deliberately doing things like trying to turn a public school into a bastion of right-wing, reactionary education (see what’s happening at the New College).

But this has all gone completely meta now. Even as Republicans complain that the focus on equity in K-12 is resulting in things like honors programs being emphasized, DeSantis (whose policies and rhetoric are copied as much as Youngkin’s) is planning to do with AP courses IN THEIR ENTIRETY in Florida high schools. Because they’re too woke or something.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/02/18/4-things-know-about-ron-desantis-idea-slash-ap-courses-florida/

Make it make sense.

Not only that, Youngkin sent out a bat signal and got far right activists from all around the country to converge on NoVA school board meetings pretending to be local parents shrieking about everything and anything including imaginary CRT, resulting in school board members and school officials receiving horrific threats to rape and murder them and their children, burn their houses down and so on.

Calling it bad-faith is too gentle.

You are willfully ignoring what happened. Read the Grand Jury report.

The rape and how it was handled was bad, yes. But the far right also willfully ignored a lot of other aspects of the case that were out of the district's hands and made a lot of wrongful accusations, along with their far-right CRT lies and everything else. And despite the rape, NOTHING warranted those far right loons storming meetings lying and falsely pretending they were district parents, and making horrific threats to rape, torture, burn alive, murder school board members, school officials and their families. That was utterly disgusting, terroristic behavior by the far right and you may not willfully ignore that either.

This is what I remember about the parents who "stormed" the meeting.

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Can you imagine being the parent of a girl who was raped - and then being treated like this? Just disgusting. The PP is repulsive.

Stop it.

The rape is one issue. It was horrible and was badly mishandled.

BUT. The violent threats are a separate issue, absolutely NOT justified by the first. And the violent threats weren't just about the rape, since school boards in many other places around the country were also accosted by right wing extremists. The violent threats have been over CRT and every other delusional fever dream of the far right.

Okay. Go ask the FBI to investigate all those terrorist parents.

Oh wait.

The FBI was in fact called in. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-addresses-violent-threats-against-school-officials-and-teachers

So no indictments. As we were saying, girls actually got raped at Loudon schools due to callous behavior by school officials. Violence against school officials never occurred.

I have no idea if there were indictments or not but the threats of violence definitely happened. I had a number of bookmarked posts when I was still on Twitter, that included recordings of phone messages, screenshots of text messages and emails, photos of notes received by mail and even placed at their houses. There were a LOT of threats, and many were grotesque and disgusting.

FBI and local police investigated (I also recall seeing posts from Loudoun County Sheriffs Department about it), but as often is the case, the perpetrators likely just off with a warning, despite it being a felony in most jurisdictions to threaten to harm people or destroy their property under terrorstic threat statutes.

It's truly bizarre that you are SO invested in lying, denying the threats occurred, repeatedly attempting to gaslight posters by calling them "insane," dismissing articles as "not credible" and so on.
Nobody here ever denied the rape happened. Why are you so invested in your lies and denials?

I'm invested in the notion that Youngkin won bc parents correctly perceived that the school board was out of line. I'm sure there were some crazies at the meetings and some threats of violence. However, I dont believe your narrative that parents who want things like safe schools and normal history lessons are violent right wing extremists. And the fact that there were no indictments really casts doubt on your version of events, in which school officials suffered violence. Kids suffered violence in those schools. And no trans children were involved whatsoever, so the political narrative is a total red herring by the left to villanize the parents.

Turns out there were in fact arrests and indictments of people who made threats over the Loudoun County Stone Bridge High School rape. https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/alexandria-man-31-charged-with-making-threats-to-loudoun-high-school/article_83bd263e-5337-11ec-a1b4-5b0a55b44cc4.html

That, combined with the fact that the far right did in fact make it about trans bathrooms, casts doubt on YOUR version of events.

That wasn't the only arrest, either. https://www.loudountimes.com/news/stone-bridge-high-school-placed-in-secure-the-building-mode-after-threat-sheriffs-office-investigating/article_06170194-593d-11ec-bdde-5766903fc890.html

Robert Ruiz, Shane Lucas and likely others were arrested over threats made.

So to recap, the poster above repeatedly lied, repeatedly denied that the threats happened, said it wasn't credible, shrugged off numerous news articles talking about the threats, repeatedly gaslit posters and called them "insane" for trying to suggest the threats happened... yet they happened and there were arrests.

Unacceptable. Why all the repeated gaslighting, lies and denials? You need to stop.

There will always be a few crazies. That does not make all Loudon parents who were concerned into terrorists.

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I'm not going to pretend that we havent been teaching slavery, the Underground Railroad, segregation and Jim Crow in schools. I learned about this in school. So did you. That is how we all know about it.

So the question is, do you think our kids should continue learning about slavery? I feel like most people would say yes. Slavery is part of our history. It happened.
But...if you purposely mislabel the teaching of slavery as "critical race theory" then you can muddy the waters without seeming overtly racist. It's a dog whistle.

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2022/06/29/florida-teachers-raise-concerns-about-new-civics-training-say-it-downplays-slavery-promotes-originalism/

Yes. Literally no one is advocating for the removal of history lessons about slavery. In fact, I think the lessons need to go further with actual names of significant slaves in history, such as notable military figures, Sally Hemmings and Thomas Jefferson's kids, etc.

CRT has nothing to do with teaching history accurately.

You don't know what CRT is or isn't, other than it's a convenient bogeyman word to trigger the right wing.

And you think that no one learned about slavery in schools until BLM showed up. We all just fell off the apple cart, not sure who Harriett Tubman is, learning about slavery through vague rumors.

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Anonymous wrote:Ever since Glenn Youngkin squeaked to victory on a bad-faith platform that exploited suburban fears about public schools, Republicans everywhere have been adopting the playbook. Yell about “parental rights” and attack the phantom CRT menace. Lambast “equity” programs, especially if commitments to those can be juxtaposed against changes to academic programs that are tailored to higher-achieving students like honors classes.

Obviously we all know beyond being a cynical attempt to win elections, the real agenda behind this attack on education is to dumb down the future electorate since poorly educated people tend to vote more conservative. It’s also about trying to redirect taxpayer dollars to fund public schools to for-profit companies that run charter schools and also to religious-based private schools.

In Florida, Ron DeSantis has taken it a bit further and, in the name of protesting “liberal indoctrination” at post-secondary education (something that doesn’t actually exist, like CRT being taught in grade schools, but the dumbed down and frightened electorate doesn’t grasp this) but deliberately doing things like trying to turn a public school into a bastion of right-wing, reactionary education (see what’s happening at the New College).

But this has all gone completely meta now. Even as Republicans complain that the focus on equity in K-12 is resulting in things like honors programs being emphasized, DeSantis (whose policies and rhetoric are copied as much as Youngkin’s) is planning to do with AP courses IN THEIR ENTIRETY in Florida high schools. Because they’re too woke or something.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/02/18/4-things-know-about-ron-desantis-idea-slash-ap-courses-florida/

Make it make sense.

Not only that, Youngkin sent out a bat signal and got far right activists from all around the country to converge on NoVA school board meetings pretending to be local parents shrieking about everything and anything including imaginary CRT, resulting in school board members and school officials receiving horrific threats to rape and murder them and their children, burn their houses down and so on.

Calling it bad-faith is too gentle.

You are willfully ignoring what happened. Read the Grand Jury report.

The rape and how it was handled was bad, yes. But the far right also willfully ignored a lot of other aspects of the case that were out of the district's hands and made a lot of wrongful accusations, along with their far-right CRT lies and everything else. And despite the rape, NOTHING warranted those far right loons storming meetings lying and falsely pretending they were district parents, and making horrific threats to rape, torture, burn alive, murder school board members, school officials and their families. That was utterly disgusting, terroristic behavior by the far right and you may not willfully ignore that either.

This is what I remember about the parents who "stormed" the meeting.

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Can you imagine being the parent of a girl who was raped - and then being treated like this? Just disgusting. The PP is repulsive.

Stop it.

The rape is one issue. It was horrible and was badly mishandled.

BUT. The violent threats are a separate issue, absolutely NOT justified by the first. And the violent threats weren't just about the rape, since school boards in many other places around the country were also accosted by right wing extremists. The violent threats have been over CRT and every other delusional fever dream of the far right.

Okay. Go ask the FBI to investigate all those terrorist parents.

Oh wait.

The FBI was in fact called in. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-addresses-violent-threats-against-school-officials-and-teachers

So no indictments. As we were saying, girls actually got raped at Loudon schools due to callous behavior by school officials. Violence against school officials never occurred.

I have no idea if there were indictments or not but the threats of violence definitely happened. I had a number of bookmarked posts when I was still on Twitter, that included recordings of phone messages, screenshots of text messages and emails, photos of notes received by mail and even placed at their houses. There were a LOT of threats, and many were grotesque and disgusting.

FBI and local police investigated (I also recall seeing posts from Loudoun County Sheriffs Department about it), but as often is the case, the perpetrators likely just off with a warning, despite it being a felony in most jurisdictions to threaten to harm people or destroy their property under terrorstic threat statutes.

It's truly bizarre that you are SO invested in lying, denying the threats occurred, repeatedly attempting to gaslight posters by calling them "insane," dismissing articles as "not credible" and so on.
Nobody here ever denied the rape happened. Why are you so invested in your lies and denials?

I'm invested in the notion that Youngkin won bc parents correctly perceived that the school board was out of line. I'm sure there were some crazies at the meetings and some threats of violence. However, I dont believe your narrative that parents who want things like safe schools and normal history lessons are violent right wing extremists. And the fact that there were no indictments really casts doubt on your version of events, in which school officials suffered violence. Kids suffered violence in those schools. And no trans children were involved whatsoever, so the political narrative is a total red herring by the left to villanize the parents.

Turns out there were in fact arrests and indictments of people who made threats over the Loudoun County Stone Bridge High School rape. https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/alexandria-man-31-charged-with-making-threats-to-loudoun-high-school/article_83bd263e-5337-11ec-a1b4-5b0a55b44cc4.html

That, combined with the fact that the far right did in fact make it about trans bathrooms, casts doubt on YOUR version of events.

That wasn't the only arrest, either. https://www.loudountimes.com/news/stone-bridge-high-school-placed-in-secure-the-building-mode-after-threat-sheriffs-office-investigating/article_06170194-593d-11ec-bdde-5766903fc890.html

Robert Ruiz, Shane Lucas and likely others were arrested over threats made.

So to recap, the poster above repeatedly lied, repeatedly denied that the threats happened, said it wasn't credible, shrugged off numerous news articles talking about the threats, repeatedly gaslit posters and called them "insane" for trying to suggest the threats happened... yet they happened and there were arrests.

Unacceptable. Why all the repeated gaslighting, lies and denials? You need to stop.

There will always be a few crazies. That does not make all Loudon parents who were concerned into terrorists.

Certainly it does not. And neither FBI nor Loudoun County Sherrifs nor anyone else actually called "all" Loudoun parents terrorists, nor were they investigated either. The only people who were investigated were ones who made violent threats. Yet as usual, right wing media distorted those facts to make it seem like ALL Loudoun parents were being branded as terrorists and that law enforcement was "weaponized" against them. Yet another right wing lie.

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I'm not going to pretend that we havent been teaching slavery, the Underground Railroad, segregation and Jim Crow in schools. I learned about this in school. So did you. That is how we all know about it.

So the question is, do you think our kids should continue learning about slavery? I feel like most people would say yes. Slavery is part of our history. It happened.
But...if you purposely mislabel the teaching of slavery as "critical race theory" then you can muddy the waters without seeming overtly racist. It's a dog whistle.

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2022/06/29/florida-teachers-raise-concerns-about-new-civics-training-say-it-downplays-slavery-promotes-originalism/

Yes. Literally no one is advocating for the removal of history lessons about slavery. In fact, I think the lessons need to go further with actual names of significant slaves in history, such as notable military figures, Sally Hemmings and Thomas Jefferson's kids, etc.

CRT has nothing to do with teaching history accurately.

You don't know what CRT is or isn't, other than it's a convenient bogeyman word to trigger the right wing.

And you think that no one learned about slavery in schools until BLM showed up. We all just fell off the apple cart, not sure who Harriett Tubman is, learning about slavery through vague rumors.

There's actually still a non-trivial percentage of Americans who were taught that it was a "War of Northern Aggression" and that the Civil War was about states' rights, not about slavery, that slavery was going to end anyhow, and in some cases even that slavery was good for blacks. There's also a non-trivial percentage of people who are completely unaware that many blacks still living today suffered under Jim Crow and segregation, and never heard of things like redlining, and are completely unaware that anti-black biases still persist in lending, hiring, policing and so on.

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Anonymous wrote:Ever since Glenn Youngkin squeaked to victory on a bad-faith platform that exploited suburban fears about public schools, Republicans everywhere have been adopting the playbook. Yell about “parental rights” and attack the phantom CRT menace. Lambast “equity” programs, especially if commitments to those can be juxtaposed against changes to academic programs that are tailored to higher-achieving students like honors classes.

Obviously we all know beyond being a cynical attempt to win elections, the real agenda behind this attack on education is to dumb down the future electorate since poorly educated people tend to vote more conservative. It’s also about trying to redirect taxpayer dollars to fund public schools to for-profit companies that run charter schools and also to religious-based private schools.

In Florida, Ron DeSantis has taken it a bit further and, in the name of protesting “liberal indoctrination” at post-secondary education (something that doesn’t actually exist, like CRT being taught in grade schools, but the dumbed down and frightened electorate doesn’t grasp this) but deliberately doing things like trying to turn a public school into a bastion of right-wing, reactionary education (see what’s happening at the New College).

But this has all gone completely meta now. Even as Republicans complain that the focus on equity in K-12 is resulting in things like honors programs being emphasized, DeSantis (whose policies and rhetoric are copied as much as Youngkin’s) is planning to do with AP courses IN THEIR ENTIRETY in Florida high schools. Because they’re too woke or something.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/02/18/4-things-know-about-ron-desantis-idea-slash-ap-courses-florida/

Make it make sense.

Not only that, Youngkin sent out a bat signal and got far right activists from all around the country to converge on NoVA school board meetings pretending to be local parents shrieking about everything and anything including imaginary CRT, resulting in school board members and school officials receiving horrific threats to rape and murder them and their children, burn their houses down and so on.

Calling it bad-faith is too gentle.

You are willfully ignoring what happened. Read the Grand Jury report.

The rape and how it was handled was bad, yes. But the far right also willfully ignored a lot of other aspects of the case that were out of the district's hands and made a lot of wrongful accusations, along with their far-right CRT lies and everything else. And despite the rape, NOTHING warranted those far right loons storming meetings lying and falsely pretending they were district parents, and making horrific threats to rape, torture, burn alive, murder school board members, school officials and their families. That was utterly disgusting, terroristic behavior by the far right and you may not willfully ignore that either.

This is what I remember about the parents who "stormed" the meeting.

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Can you imagine being the parent of a girl who was raped - and then being treated like this? Just disgusting. The PP is repulsive.

Stop it.

The rape is one issue. It was horrible and was badly mishandled.

BUT. The violent threats are a separate issue, absolutely NOT justified by the first. And the violent threats weren't just about the rape, since school boards in many other places around the country were also accosted by right wing extremists. The violent threats have been over CRT and every other delusional fever dream of the far right.

Okay. Go ask the FBI to investigate all those terrorist parents.

Oh wait.

The FBI was in fact called in. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-addresses-violent-threats-against-school-officials-and-teachers

So no indictments. As we were saying, girls actually got raped at Loudon schools due to callous behavior by school officials. Violence against school officials never occurred.

I have no idea if there were indictments or not but the threats of violence definitely happened. I had a number of bookmarked posts when I was still on Twitter, that included recordings of phone messages, screenshots of text messages and emails, photos of notes received by mail and even placed at their houses. There were a LOT of threats, and many were grotesque and disgusting.

FBI and local police investigated (I also recall seeing posts from Loudoun County Sheriffs Department about it), but as often is the case, the perpetrators likely just off with a warning, despite it being a felony in most jurisdictions to threaten to harm people or destroy their property under terrorstic threat statutes.

It's truly bizarre that you are SO invested in lying, denying the threats occurred, repeatedly attempting to gaslight posters by calling them "insane," dismissing articles as "not credible" and so on.
Nobody here ever denied the rape happened. Why are you so invested in your lies and denials?

I'm invested in the notion that Youngkin won bc parents correctly perceived that the school board was out of line. I'm sure there were some crazies at the meetings and some threats of violence. However, I dont believe your narrative that parents who want things like safe schools and normal history lessons are violent right wing extremists. And the fact that there were no indictments really casts doubt on your version of events, in which school officials suffered violence. Kids suffered violence in those schools. And no trans children were involved whatsoever, so the political narrative is a total red herring by the left to villanize the parents.

Ahh, a red herring fabricated by the left wing. Funny, because last night I saw an entire thread full of endless screeching about people with penises in womens bathrooms and they definitely weren't liberals.

In the case of the Loudon issue, it was a red herring. The rapist was not trans.

He was wearing a skirt. That's the problem with the policies==there is no clear cut policy of who is and who is not trans. "Gender fluid" can change from day to day. Can a teacher prevent a boy in a skirt from going into the girls' restroom? I think i read at one point that he is "gender fluid."
FWIW, I don't have the answer to these questions, but that is part of the problem.

It is clear that Loudoun SB did not want to address the issue of the rape in the restroom because they thought it would mess up their new trans policy.

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I'm not going to pretend that we havent been teaching slavery, the Underground Railroad, segregation and Jim Crow in schools. I learned about this in school. So did you. That is how we all know about it.

So the question is, do you think our kids should continue learning about slavery? I feel like most people would say yes. Slavery is part of our history. It happened.
But...if you purposely mislabel the teaching of slavery as "critical race theory" then you can muddy the waters without seeming overtly racist. It's a dog whistle.

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2022/06/29/florida-teachers-raise-concerns-about-new-civics-training-say-it-downplays-slavery-promotes-originalism/

Yes. Literally no one is advocating for the removal of history lessons about slavery. In fact, I think the lessons need to go further with actual names of significant slaves in history, such as notable military figures, Sally Hemmings and Thomas Jefferson's kids, etc.

CRT has nothing to do with teaching history accurately.

You don't know what CRT is or isn't, other than it's a convenient bogeyman word to trigger the right wing.

And you think that no one learned about slavery in schools until BLM showed up. We all just fell off the apple cart, not sure who Harriett Tubman is, learning about slavery through vague rumors.

There's actually still a non-trivial percentage of Americans who were taught that it was a "War of Northern Aggression" and that the Civil War was about states' rights, not about slavery, that slavery was going to end anyhow, and in some cases even that slavery was good for blacks. There's also a non-trivial percentage of people who are completely unaware that many blacks still living today suffered under Jim Crow and segregation, and never heard of things like redlining, and are completely unaware that anti-black biases still persist in lending, hiring, policing and so on.

The civil war did involve arguments about states rights, and some scholars think slavery would have ended with less death if we hadnt had the civil war. That doesnt make slavery less of an evil. These things can be true without minimizing the evil of slavery.

The idea that slavery was good for black people is an opinion (a dumb one). I dont believe that Americans with high school diplomas have never heard of segregation. Ruby Bridges is iconic, her image is one of the most iconic photos in American history.

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Anonymous wrote:Ever since Glenn Youngkin squeaked to victory on a bad-faith platform that exploited suburban fears about public schools, Republicans everywhere have been adopting the playbook. Yell about “parental rights” and attack the phantom CRT menace. Lambast “equity” programs, especially if commitments to those can be juxtaposed against changes to academic programs that are tailored to higher-achieving students like honors classes.

Obviously we all know beyond being a cynical attempt to win elections, the real agenda behind this attack on education is to dumb down the future electorate since poorly educated people tend to vote more conservative. It’s also about trying to redirect taxpayer dollars to fund public schools to for-profit companies that run charter schools and also to religious-based private schools.

In Florida, Ron DeSantis has taken it a bit further and, in the name of protesting “liberal indoctrination” at post-secondary education (something that doesn’t actually exist, like CRT being taught in grade schools, but the dumbed down and frightened electorate doesn’t grasp this) but deliberately doing things like trying to turn a public school into a bastion of right-wing, reactionary education (see what’s happening at the New College).

But this has all gone completely meta now. Even as Republicans complain that the focus on equity in K-12 is resulting in things like honors programs being emphasized, DeSantis (whose policies and rhetoric are copied as much as Youngkin’s) is planning to do with AP courses IN THEIR ENTIRETY in Florida high schools. Because they’re too woke or something.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/02/18/4-things-know-about-ron-desantis-idea-slash-ap-courses-florida/

Make it make sense.

Not only that, Youngkin sent out a bat signal and got far right activists from all around the country to converge on NoVA school board meetings pretending to be local parents shrieking about everything and anything including imaginary CRT, resulting in school board members and school officials receiving horrific threats to rape and murder them and their children, burn their houses down and so on.

Calling it bad-faith is too gentle.

You are willfully ignoring what happened. Read the Grand Jury report.

The rape and how it was handled was bad, yes. But the far right also willfully ignored a lot of other aspects of the case that were out of the district's hands and made a lot of wrongful accusations, along with their far-right CRT lies and everything else. And despite the rape, NOTHING warranted those far right loons storming meetings lying and falsely pretending they were district parents, and making horrific threats to rape, torture, burn alive, murder school board members, school officials and their families. That was utterly disgusting, terroristic behavior by the far right and you may not willfully ignore that either.

This is what I remember about the parents who "stormed" the meeting.

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Can you imagine being the parent of a girl who was raped - and then being treated like this? Just disgusting. The PP is repulsive.

Stop it.

The rape is one issue. It was horrible and was badly mishandled.

BUT. The violent threats are a separate issue, absolutely NOT justified by the first. And the violent threats weren't just about the rape, since school boards in many other places around the country were also accosted by right wing extremists. The violent threats have been over CRT and every other delusional fever dream of the far right.

Okay. Go ask the FBI to investigate all those terrorist parents.

Oh wait.

The FBI was in fact called in. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-addresses-violent-threats-against-school-officials-and-teachers

So no indictments. As we were saying, girls actually got raped at Loudon schools due to callous behavior by school officials. Violence against school officials never occurred.

I have no idea if there were indictments or not but the threats of violence definitely happened. I had a number of bookmarked posts when I was still on Twitter, that included recordings of phone messages, screenshots of text messages and emails, photos of notes received by mail and even placed at their houses. There were a LOT of threats, and many were grotesque and disgusting.

FBI and local police investigated (I also recall seeing posts from Loudoun County Sheriffs Department about it), but as often is the case, the perpetrators likely just off with a warning, despite it being a felony in most jurisdictions to threaten to harm people or destroy their property under terrorstic threat statutes.

It's truly bizarre that you are SO invested in lying, denying the threats occurred, repeatedly attempting to gaslight posters by calling them "insane," dismissing articles as "not credible" and so on.
Nobody here ever denied the rape happened. Why are you so invested in your lies and denials?

I'm invested in the notion that Youngkin won bc parents correctly perceived that the school board was out of line. I'm sure there were some crazies at the meetings and some threats of violence. However, I dont believe your narrative that parents who want things like safe schools and normal history lessons are violent right wing extremists. And the fact that there were no indictments really casts doubt on your version of events, in which school officials suffered violence. Kids suffered violence in those schools. And no trans children were involved whatsoever, so the political narrative is a total red herring by the left to villanize the parents.

Turns out there were in fact arrests and indictments of people who made threats over the Loudoun County Stone Bridge High School rape. https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/alexandria-man-31-charged-with-making-threats-to-loudoun-high-school/article_83bd263e-5337-11ec-a1b4-5b0a55b44cc4.html

That, combined with the fact that the far right did in fact make it about trans bathrooms, casts doubt on YOUR version of events.

That wasn't the only arrest, either. https://www.loudountimes.com/news/stone-bridge-high-school-placed-in-secure-the-building-mode-after-threat-sheriffs-office-investigating/article_06170194-593d-11ec-bdde-5766903fc890.html

Robert Ruiz, Shane Lucas and likely others were arrested over threats made.

So to recap, the poster above repeatedly lied, repeatedly denied that the threats happened, said it wasn't credible, shrugged off numerous news articles talking about the threats, repeatedly gaslit posters and called them "insane" for trying to suggest the threats happened... yet they happened and there were arrests.

Unacceptable. Why all the repeated gaslighting, lies and denials? You need to stop.

There will always be a few crazies. That does not make all Loudon parents who were concerned into terrorists.

Certainly it does not. And neither FBI nor Loudoun County Sherrifs nor anyone else actually called "all" Loudoun parents terrorists, nor were they investigated either. The only people who were investigated were ones who made violent threats. Yet as usual, right wing media distorted those facts to make it seem like ALL Loudoun parents were being branded as terrorists and that law enforcement was "weaponized" against them. Yet another right wing lie.

The idea that parents who had a problem with the handling of the rapes are terrorists was NOT propagated by the right.