Earl B Middle school homophobic club?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What that child wrote was hateful, but was it a hate crime? I don’t think so.

People have commented that it’s a miss use of the school Chromebook well, let me tell you kids do a lot worse than that. But the police isn’t and shouldn’t be called. That should be dealt with at the school level.

MCPS and Earl seem to be dealing with a drug and bullying and fighting problem. Just browse through the most recent topics on this forum. The police is not called.

No, it was not a hate crime. It was essentially a ‘thought crime’ like someone else posted above.

It’s like we live in China or something.

And misuse of Chromebooks? I guess. But I know plenty of kids at Wood are looking at porn on their school-issued Chromebooks and there doesn’t seem to be much the school can do about that.

Umm, looking at porn isn't hate speech towards others in your school.

It creates an offensive environment for their female classmates. You can be fired for doing it in the workplace.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wood parent here. Mrs Slatcoff isn’t perfect but I would much rather she overreacted than to sweep it under the rug and try to hide the situation from the parents and students. And I assure you that the kids are talking about it and the message that this behavior is serious and will not be tolerated has come across loud and clear.

Having said that, there is still a lot of work to do at Wood on bullying issues, many of them racial in nature. I hope she comes down on those issues the way she has on this one. I think this incidence has shed a lot of light on many issues that entire community needs to openly address and I hope she is the one starting the conversation.

Problem here is the principal is sending the message that the actual crimes like fighting and underage smoking/vaping won’t be dealt with and kids know it, but thought crimes- oh dear no you can’t do that- send in the COPS NOW! Unleash the dogs. Teach those kids they can’t write a word and delete it without police involvement, but they can beat the crap out of each other on a regular basis or smoke daily in the bathroom but that’s ok.

Do you really not see that as a problem?

Who said they are beating the crap out of each other and smoking in the bathrooms? I said there was some bullying issues but it’s not like kids are getting into fistfights daily.

At Wood? Yes, there are a good number of fights.

What middle school do your kids attend?

There are fights at every school and knowing the MC police, they are not required to be called. It is for the school to decide. If you want the police notified for all fights, they would be at every middle school at least 2-3x a week. That is why they need an SRO at every middle school. But that isn't going to happen.

Memo down from administration is to call police on all hate crimes. Let the police decide. Otherwise principals sweep everything under the rug. She did her job and now the police will do theirs.

This right here. If the fight is a couple of attempted thrown fists, police aren't going to be called. Hate speech, hate drawings etc... immediately go to police. If she didn't contact the police and a parent found out and complained, central would have been all over here for not doing the right thing. I am shocked how many people think this is no big deal. that is scary. It's 2023, not 1973.

I’m shocked at how many people don’t understand that writing or drawing anything is not a crime unless it is a threat (and threats have a very specific and hard to prove definition). There may be grounds for school discipline but it is NOT a crime. How did we go from “never call the police, ACAB” to “report thought crimes to the police”?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What that child wrote was hateful, but was it a hate crime? I don’t think so.

People have commented that it’s a miss use of the school Chromebook well, let me tell you kids do a lot worse than that. But the police isn’t and shouldn’t be called. That should be dealt with at the school level.

MCPS and Earl seem to be dealing with a drug and bullying and fighting problem. Just browse through the most recent topics on this forum. The police is not called.

No, it was not a hate crime. It was essentially a ‘thought crime’ like someone else posted above.

It’s like we live in China or something.

And misuse of Chromebooks? I guess. But I know plenty of kids at Wood are looking at porn on their school-issued Chromebooks and there doesn’t seem to be much the school can do about that.

Umm, looking at porn isn't hate speech towards others in your school.

It creates an offensive environment for their female classmates. You can be fired for doing it in the workplace.

That’s still not a crime, ffs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Never realized how homophobic my kid's middle school was until this letter came out. I actually thought moving to Rockville was a liberal safe area. It seems most of the parents are supportive in person, but here on this board - a lot of hate. Maybe it is just the same conservative person?

Is being homophobic a crime? If so, what kind of neutral legal principle protects you from criminal prosecution based on your own beliefs?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wood parent here. Mrs Slatcoff isn’t perfect but I would much rather she overreacted than to sweep it under the rug and try to hide the situation from the parents and students. And I assure you that the kids are talking about it and the message that this behavior is serious and will not be tolerated has come across loud and clear.

Having said that, there is still a lot of work to do at Wood on bullying issues, many of them racial in nature. I hope she comes down on those issues the way she has on this one. I think this incidence has shed a lot of light on many issues that entire community needs to openly address and I hope she is the one starting the conversation.

Problem here is the principal is sending the message that the actual crimes like fighting and underage smoking/vaping won’t be dealt with and kids know it, but thought crimes- oh dear no you can’t do that- send in the COPS NOW! Unleash the dogs. Teach those kids they can’t write a word and delete it without police involvement, but they can beat the crap out of each other on a regular basis or smoke daily in the bathroom but that’s ok.

Do you really not see that as a problem?

Who said they are beating the crap out of each other and smoking in the bathrooms? I said there was some bullying issues but it’s not like kids are getting into fistfights daily.

At Wood? Yes, there are a good number of fights.

What middle school do your kids attend?

There are fights at every school and knowing the MC police, they are not required to be called. It is for the school to decide. If you want the police notified for all fights, they would be at every middle school at least 2-3x a week. That is why they need an SRO at every middle school. But that isn't going to happen.

Memo down from administration is to call police on all hate crimes. Let the police decide. Otherwise principals sweep everything under the rug. She did her job and now the police will do theirs.

This right here. If the fight is a couple of attempted thrown fists, police aren't going to be called. Hate speech, hate drawings etc... immediately go to police. If she didn't contact the police and a parent found out and complained, central would have been all over here for not doing the right thing. I am shocked how many people think this is no big deal. that is scary. It's 2023, not 1973.

So minors accessing porn on school computer is no big deal, but a tween declaring themselves to be homophobic warrants a call to the police? You know that it’s within the tween’s right to be homophobic, yes? Feelings are not illegal, no matter what you think of them.

Can someone tell that to Principal Heidi L. Slatcoff?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What that child wrote was hateful, but was it a hate crime? I don’t think so.

People have commented that it’s a miss use of the school Chromebook well, let me tell you kids do a lot worse than that. But the police isn’t and shouldn’t be called. That should be dealt with at the school level.

MCPS and Earl seem to be dealing with a drug and bullying and fighting problem. Just browse through the most recent topics on this forum. The police is not called.

No, it was not a hate crime. It was essentially a ‘thought crime’ like someone else posted above.

It’s like we live in China or something.

And misuse of Chromebooks? I guess. But I know plenty of kids at Wood are looking at porn on their school-issued Chromebooks and there doesn’t seem to be much the school can do about that.

Umm, looking at porn isn't hate speech towards others in your school.

It creates an offensive environment for their female classmates. You can be fired for doing it in the workplace.

That’s still not a crime, ffs.

Neither is being homophobic. Glad we’re back on the same page.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[b]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wood parent here. Mrs Slatcoff isn’t perfect but I would much rather she overreacted than to sweep it under the rug and try to hide the situation from the parents and students. And I assure you that the kids are talking about it and the message that this behavior is serious and will not be tolerated has come across loud and clear.

Having said that, there is still a lot of work to do at Wood on bullying issues, many of them racial in nature. I hope she comes down on those issues the way she has on this one. I think this incidence has shed a lot of light on many issues that entire community needs to openly address and I hope she is the one starting the conversation.

Problem here is the principal is sending the message that the actual crimes like fighting and underage smoking/vaping won’t be dealt with and kids know it, but thought crimes- oh dear no you can’t do that- send in the COPS NOW! Unleash the dogs. Teach those kids they can’t write a word and delete it without police involvement, but they can beat the crap out of each other on a regular basis or smoke daily in the bathroom but that’s ok.

Do you really not see that as a problem?

Who said they are beating the crap out of each other and smoking in the bathrooms? I said there was some bullying issues but it’s not like kids are getting into fistfights daily.

At Wood? Yes, there are a good number of fights.

What middle school do your kids attend?

There are fights at every school and knowing the MC police, they are not required to be called. It is for the school to decide. If you want the police notified for all fights, they would be at every middle school at least 2-3x a week. That is why they need an SRO at every middle school. But that isn't going to happen.

Memo down from administration is to call police on all hate crimes. Let the police decide. Otherwise principals sweep everything under the rug. She did her job and now the police will do theirs.

This right here. If the fight is a couple of attempted thrown fists, police aren't going to be called. Hate speech, hate drawings etc... immediately go to police. If she didn't contact the police and a parent found out and complained, central would have been all over here for not doing the right thing. I am shocked how many people think this is no big deal. that is scary. It's 2023, not 1973.

I’m shocked at how many people don’t understand that writing or drawing anything is not a crime unless it is a threat (and threats have a very specific and hard to prove definition). There may be grounds for school discipline but it is NOT a crime. How did we go from “never call the police, ACAB” to “report thought crimes to the police”?

All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Never realized how homophobic my kid's middle school was until this letter came out. I actually thought moving to Rockville was a liberal safe area. It seems most of the parents are supportive in person, but here on this board - a lot of hate. Maybe it is just the same conservative person?

I commented earlier. My child is gay, as are several other close family members. It is not clear from what was in the letter how serious this was and not is it clear it’s not an “in-joke” among kids who are gay themselves-I assure that type of thing happens. Of course it’s possible that it’s actually hate based and was an actual attempt to foment homophobic hate but that is not evident at all. Furthermore, the principal seems to be treating it as though they were actively recruiting to the club-if you want kids to sometimes think better of bad ideas and delete them you should distinguish in your response to actual events and aborted passing ideas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What that child wrote was hateful, but was it a hate crime? I don’t think so.

People have commented that it’s a miss use of the school Chromebook well, let me tell you kids do a lot worse than that. But the police isn’t and shouldn’t be called. That should be dealt with at the school level.

MCPS and Earl seem to be dealing with a drug and bullying and fighting problem. Just browse through the most recent topics on this forum. The police is not called.

No, it was not a hate crime. It was essentially a ‘thought crime’ like someone else posted above.

It’s like we live in China or something.

And misuse of Chromebooks? I guess. But I know plenty of kids at Wood are looking at porn on their school-issued Chromebooks and there doesn’t seem to be much the school can do about that.

Umm, looking at porn isn't hate speech towards others in your school.

It creates an offensive environment for their female classmates. You can be fired for doing it in the workplace.

But this is school with juveniles. And the school is the issue if they allow the internet and the kid's can access it. Some by accident and others on purpose.

Creating a slide show and google doc sign-up for a hate club is the student's creation and fault.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Never realized how homophobic my kid's middle school was until this letter came out. I actually thought moving to Rockville was a liberal safe area. It seems most of the parents are supportive in person, but here on this board - a lot of hate. Maybe it is just the same conservative person?

I commented earlier. My child is gay, as are several other close family members. It is not clear from what was in the letter how serious this was and not is it clear it’s not an “in-joke” among kids who are gay themselves-I assure that type of thing happens. Of course it’s possible that it’s actually hate based and was an actual attempt to foment homophobic hate but that is not evident at all. Furthermore, the principal seems to be treating it as though they were actively recruiting to the club-if you want kids to sometimes think better of bad ideas and delete them you should distinguish in your response to actual events and aborted passing ideas.

you are troll and not from Wood - the LGBTQ community is horrified and scared for their kids. Not thinking "oh a gay person in the school did this." That is not this kid or their friends. So please stop

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[b]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wood parent here. Mrs Slatcoff isn’t perfect but I would much rather she overreacted than to sweep it under the rug and try to hide the situation from the parents and students. And I assure you that the kids are talking about it and the message that this behavior is serious and will not be tolerated has come across loud and clear.

Having said that, there is still a lot of work to do at Wood on bullying issues, many of them racial in nature. I hope she comes down on those issues the way she has on this one. I think this incidence has shed a lot of light on many issues that entire community needs to openly address and I hope she is the one starting the conversation.

Problem here is the principal is sending the message that the actual crimes like fighting and underage smoking/vaping won’t be dealt with and kids know it, but thought crimes- oh dear no you can’t do that- send in the COPS NOW! Unleash the dogs. Teach those kids they can’t write a word and delete it without police involvement, but they can beat the crap out of each other on a regular basis or smoke daily in the bathroom but that’s ok.

Do you really not see that as a problem?

Who said they are beating the crap out of each other and smoking in the bathrooms? I said there was some bullying issues but it’s not like kids are getting into fistfights daily.

At Wood? Yes, there are a good number of fights.

What middle school do your kids attend?

There are fights at every school and knowing the MC police, they are not required to be called. It is for the school to decide. If you want the police notified for all fights, they would be at every middle school at least 2-3x a week. That is why they need an SRO at every middle school. But that isn't going to happen.

Memo down from administration is to call police on all hate crimes. Let the police decide. Otherwise principals sweep everything under the rug. She did her job and now the police will do theirs.

This right here. If the fight is a couple of attempted thrown fists, police aren't going to be called. Hate speech, hate drawings etc... immediately go to police. If she didn't contact the police and a parent found out and complained, central would have been all over here for not doing the right thing. I am shocked how many people think this is no big deal. that is scary. It's 2023, not 1973.

I’m shocked at how many people don’t understand that writing or drawing anything is not a crime unless it is a threat (and threats have a very specific and hard to prove definition). There may be grounds for school discipline but it is NOT a crime. How did we go from “never call the police, ACAB” to “report thought crimes to the police”?

Juveniles and adults have been arrested for drawings, so um yeah they can. :roll:

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Never realized how homophobic my kid's middle school was until this letter came out. I actually thought moving to Rockville was a liberal safe area. It seems most of the parents are supportive in person, but here on this board - a lot of hate. Maybe it is just the same conservative person?

I commented earlier. My child is gay, as are several other close family members. It is not clear from what was in the letter how serious this was and not is it clear it’s not an “in-joke” among kids who are gay themselves-I assure that type of thing happens. Of course it’s possible that it’s actually hate based and was an actual attempt to foment homophobic hate but that is not evident at all. Furthermore, the principal seems to be treating it as though they were actively recruiting to the club-if you want kids to sometimes think better of bad ideas and delete them you should distinguish in your response to actual events and aborted passing ideas.

you are troll and not from Wood - the LGBTQ community is horrified and scared for their kids. Not thinking "oh a gay person in the school did this." That is not this kid or their friends. So please stop

Oh please. These are middle-schoolers. They push boundaries and do dumb things. There’s no indication these kids did anything that actually harmed anyone else. There is no crime here. There’s stupidity, certainly, but nothing that rises to the level of criminal act.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Heidi L. Slatcoff" should be fired.

Let me get the story straight...... Some teacher was scrounging through the recycle bin on on student's chromebook and found a google form that was created and deleted 2-4 months ago after (worst case scenario) a kid created the form and then realized what they did was wrong and deleted it. Principle Heidi decided that this was a crime that needed police involvement AND that this incident was of such high magnitude that she needed to send a letter out to all parents.

Who is the real problem.....?

This.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[b]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wood parent here. Mrs Slatcoff isn’t perfect but I would much rather she overreacted than to sweep it under the rug and try to hide the situation from the parents and students. And I assure you that the kids are talking about it and the message that this behavior is serious and will not be tolerated has come across loud and clear.

Having said that, there is still a lot of work to do at Wood on bullying issues, many of them racial in nature. I hope she comes down on those issues the way she has on this one. I think this incidence has shed a lot of light on many issues that entire community needs to openly address and I hope she is the one starting the conversation.

Problem here is the principal is sending the message that the actual crimes like fighting and underage smoking/vaping won’t be dealt with and kids know it, but thought crimes- oh dear no you can’t do that- send in the COPS NOW! Unleash the dogs. Teach those kids they can’t write a word and delete it without police involvement, but they can beat the crap out of each other on a regular basis or smoke daily in the bathroom but that’s ok.

Do you really not see that as a problem?

Who said they are beating the crap out of each other and smoking in the bathrooms? I said there was some bullying issues but it’s not like kids are getting into fistfights daily.

At Wood? Yes, there are a good number of fights.

What middle school do your kids attend?

There are fights at every school and knowing the MC police, they are not required to be called. It is for the school to decide. If you want the police notified for all fights, they would be at every middle school at least 2-3x a week. That is why they need an SRO at every middle school. But that isn't going to happen.

Memo down from administration is to call police on all hate crimes. Let the police decide. Otherwise principals sweep everything under the rug. She did her job and now the police will do theirs.

Do you even know what a “hate crime” is? It’s not hateful speech. It has to be an actual crime *motivated* by bias. There might not even be any hateful words said (although you’d need evidence of the intent). If MCPS is telling principals to report offensive speech to the POLICE as a hate crime, that’s pretty disturbing. And almost certainly would (if fairly applied) result in many many POC getting reported to the police.

How about administration and police know more about what is going on, what they saw, and the 3 people involved than you do.

But keep putting your 2 cents in

If there was a crime here, it would have been in the letter. The complete silence as to any actual harm caused to an actual person leads me to believe there was no harm, so no crime.

There was no crime.

I can guarantee you that there are kids openly calling other kids “f*ggot” at this school. Are they all being reported to the police?

No, never. And the N word gets thrown around (not just by Black kids, but by plenty of Asian and Brown kids also). Not reported to police (to be clear, I don’t think it should be reported to the police). This was a huge over-reaction.

Many kids get suspended and others have lost collage admittance and scholarships for hate language. I am not sure what you are talking about. If you hear it in a hallway and can't prove who said it, then yes nothing can really be done. This was creating by a certain student, sent to others, and the teacher has proof.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[b]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wood parent here. Mrs Slatcoff isn’t perfect but I would much rather she overreacted than to sweep it under the rug and try to hide the situation from the parents and students. And I assure you that the kids are talking about it and the message that this behavior is serious and will not be tolerated has come across loud and clear.

Having said that, there is still a lot of work to do at Wood on bullying issues, many of them racial in nature. I hope she comes down on those issues the way she has on this one. I think this incidence has shed a lot of light on many issues that entire community needs to openly address and I hope she is the one starting the conversation.

Problem here is the principal is sending the message that the actual crimes like fighting and underage smoking/vaping won’t be dealt with and kids know it, but thought crimes- oh dear no you can’t do that- send in the COPS NOW! Unleash the dogs. Teach those kids they can’t write a word and delete it without police involvement, but they can beat the crap out of each other on a regular basis or smoke daily in the bathroom but that’s ok.

Do you really not see that as a problem?

Who said they are beating the crap out of each other and smoking in the bathrooms? I said there was some bullying issues but it’s not like kids are getting into fistfights daily.

At Wood? Yes, there are a good number of fights.

What middle school do your kids attend?

There are fights at every school and knowing the MC police, they are not required to be called. It is for the school to decide. If you want the police notified for all fights, they would be at every middle school at least 2-3x a week. That is why they need an SRO at every middle school. But that isn't going to happen.

Memo down from administration is to call police on all hate crimes. Let the police decide. Otherwise principals sweep everything under the rug. She did her job and now the police will do theirs.

This right here. If the fight is a couple of attempted thrown fists, police aren't going to be called. Hate speech, hate drawings etc... immediately go to police. If she didn't contact the police and a parent found out and complained, central would have been all over here for not doing the right thing. I am shocked how many people think this is no big deal. that is scary. It's 2023, not 1973.

I’m shocked at how many people don’t understand that writing or drawing anything is not a crime unless it is a threat (and threats have a very specific and hard to prove definition). There may be grounds for school discipline but it is NOT a crime. How did we go from “never call the police, ACAB” to “report thought crimes to the police”?

Juveniles and adults have been arrested for drawings, so um yeah they can. :roll:

And on another thread I watched a video of a teenager choke a child on a school bus. The teenager was allowed back in the same school with the victim, despite the child having an order of protection in place. But no police involvement there, even though a child was clearly assaulted. But yet this incident is reported to the police. Utter insanity in our public schools.