Earl B Middle school homophobic club?

[Anonymous]

Sounds like a typical middle schooler bad joke. I hope the kids understand they can't even joke about such things.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do we have higher standards of behavior from ma boys than POTUS or politicians? This is a teaching moment. Let the kids go with a slap on the wrist.
I doubt these were LatinX kids. Sounds more like kids who are themselves bullied.

"LatinX" is imperialistic and disrespectful to Hispanic/Latino/Latina people.

Please don't use that term.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the procedure they are to follow.

"VERBAL REPORT: All hate-bias incidents must be reported to the Montgomery County Police Department (MCPD)"

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/compliance/FY23_QUICK%20REFERENCE%20Hate%20Bias%20Procedures.pdf

It’s not a hate-bias incident.

Of course it is. Middle school kids know exactly what they are doing

It’s *obviously* not a crime. There is zero evidence of crime. You don’t report non-crimes to the police. False reports ARE crimes. This is a school discipline issue.

It doesn't have to be a crime. Read the linked document. It specifically says hate-bias incidents must be reported to the police. If you don't like that, feel free to submit testimony at the next BOE meeting.

Yeah I read that - that is why it’s so absurd. That was the whole point. And reporting a non-crime is not something I would do, principal or not. The other point is that the principal is certainly not reporting ALL “hate-bias” incidents. Just the ones by white kids.

Falsely reporting someone to the police - I hope these kids parents sue MCPS and the school.

Please, explain how it is justified to report non-crimes to the police, in your world view.

How about the Montgomery County Police Department's world view?

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/howdoI/report-a-hate-bias-incident.html

It says right there - there has to be an underlying crime. Words alone are not a crime even if “hateful.” Especially when they were never directed towards a protected class person. Come on people, this is basic stuff.

You didn't read very well:

"A bias-related incident may be motivated by the same reasons as a hate crime but is different because the initial action did not rise to the level of a criminal offense.​​"

"The MCPD will document every allegation of a hate crime or bias incident and further investigate. The Community Engagement Division (CED) monitors and tracks all Hate-Bias events in Montgomery County."

That is the WHOLE POINT. MCPS should not have a policy of reporting non-crimes to the police. Not sure why this is hard to understand.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the procedure they are to follow.

"VERBAL REPORT: All hate-bias incidents must be reported to the Montgomery County Police Department (MCPD)"

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/compliance/FY23_QUICK%20REFERENCE%20Hate%20Bias%20Procedures.pdf

It’s not a hate-bias incident.

Of course it is. Middle school kids know exactly what they are doing

It’s *obviously* not a crime. There is zero evidence of crime. You don’t report non-crimes to the police. False reports ARE crimes. This is a school discipline issue.

It doesn't have to be a crime. Read the linked document. It specifically says hate-bias incidents must be reported to the police. If you don't like that, feel free to submit testimony at the next BOE meeting.

Yeah I read that - that is why it’s so absurd. That was the whole point. And reporting a non-crime is not something I would do, principal or not. The other point is that the principal is certainly not reporting ALL “hate-bias” incidents. Just the ones by white kids.

Falsely reporting someone to the police - I hope these kids parents sue MCPS and the school.

Please, explain how it is justified to report non-crimes to the police, in your world view.

How about the Montgomery County Police Department's world view?

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/howdoI/report-a-hate-bias-incident.html

It says right there - there has to be an underlying crime. Words alone are not a crime even if “hateful.” Especially when they were never directed towards a protected class person. Come on people, this is basic stuff.

You didn't read very well:

"A bias-related incident may be motivated by the same reasons as a hate crime but is different because the initial action did not rise to the level of a criminal offense.​​"

"The MCPD will document every allegation of a hate crime or bias incident and further investigate. The Community Engagement Division (CED) monitors and tracks all Hate-Bias events in Montgomery County."

That is the WHOLE POINT. MCPS should not have a policy of reporting non-crimes to the police. Not sure why this is hard to understand.

It doesn't matter what your opinion is. They have it in place and the principal followed the procedure as she should.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the procedure they are to follow.

"VERBAL REPORT: All hate-bias incidents must be reported to the Montgomery County Police Department (MCPD)"

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/compliance/FY23_QUICK%20REFERENCE%20Hate%20Bias%20Procedures.pdf

It’s not a hate-bias incident.

Of course it is. Middle school kids know exactly what they are doing

It’s *obviously* not a crime. There is zero evidence of crime. You don’t report non-crimes to the police. False reports ARE crimes. This is a school discipline issue.

It doesn't have to be a crime. Read the linked document. It specifically says hate-bias incidents must be reported to the police. If you don't like that, feel free to submit testimony at the next BOE meeting.

Yeah I read that - that is why it’s so absurd. That was the whole point. And reporting a non-crime is not something I would do, principal or not. The other point is that the principal is certainly not reporting ALL “hate-bias” incidents. Just the ones by white kids.

Falsely reporting someone to the police - I hope these kids parents sue MCPS and the school.

Please, explain how it is justified to report non-crimes to the police, in your world view.

How about the Montgomery County Police Department's world view?

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/howdoI/report-a-hate-bias-incident.html

It says right there - there has to be an underlying crime. Words alone are not a crime even if “hateful.” Especially when they were never directed towards a protected class person. Come on people, this is basic stuff.

You didn't read very well:

"A bias-related incident may be motivated by the same reasons as a hate crime but is different because the initial action did not rise to the level of a criminal offense.​​"

"The MCPD will document every allegation of a hate crime or bias incident and further investigate. The Community Engagement Division (CED) monitors and tracks all Hate-Bias events in Montgomery County."

That is the WHOLE POINT. MCPS should not have a policy of reporting non-crimes to the police. Not sure why this is hard to understand.

It doesn't matter what your opinion is. They have it in place and the principal followed the procedure as she should.

Then they are both wrong. And vulnerable to a 1st Amendment lawsuit. https://www.thefire.org/news/stopping-speech-police-fire-files-amicus-brief-challenge-virginia-techs-bias-policy-and-other

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do we have higher standards of behavior from ma boys than POTUS or politicians? This is a teaching moment. Let the kids go with a slap on the wrist.
I doubt these were LatinX kids. Sounds more like kids who are themselves bullied.

"LatinX" is imperialistic and disrespectful to Hispanic/Latino/Latina people.

Please don't use that term.

There was ONE study where 40% of people of Hispanic descent said it was disrespectful. Which means 60% did not think it was disrespectful. Meanwhile, there are people who find Hispanic imperialistic because they don’t have Spanish ancestry or the Spanish ancestry they have was from colonizers raping their African or Native female ancestors. Read a little about which activists have embraced the term before you speak for everyone.

—An Afro-Latina

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Anonymous wrote:This is the procedure they are to follow.

"VERBAL REPORT: All hate-bias incidents must be reported to the Montgomery County Police Department (MCPD)"

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/compliance/FY23_QUICK%20REFERENCE%20Hate%20Bias%20Procedures.pdf

It’s not a hate-bias incident.

Of course it is. Middle school kids know exactly what they are doing

It’s *obviously* not a crime. There is zero evidence of crime. You don’t report non-crimes to the police. False reports ARE crimes. This is a school discipline issue.

It doesn't have to be a crime. Read the linked document. It specifically says hate-bias incidents must be reported to the police. If you don't like that, feel free to submit testimony at the next BOE meeting.

Yeah I read that - that is why it’s so absurd. That was the whole point. And reporting a non-crime is not something I would do, principal or not. The other point is that the principal is certainly not reporting ALL “hate-bias” incidents. Just the ones by white kids.

Falsely reporting someone to the police - I hope these kids parents sue MCPS and the school.

Please, explain how it is justified to report non-crimes to the police, in your world view.

How about the Montgomery County Police Department's world view?

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/howdoI/report-a-hate-bias-incident.html

It says right there - there has to be an underlying crime. Words alone are not a crime even if “hateful.” Especially when they were never directed towards a protected class person. Come on people, this is basic stuff.

You didn't read very well:

"A bias-related incident may be motivated by the same reasons as a hate crime but is different because the initial action did not rise to the level of a criminal offense.​​"

"The MCPD will document every allegation of a hate crime or bias incident and further investigate. The Community Engagement Division (CED) monitors and tracks all Hate-Bias events in Montgomery County."

That is the WHOLE POINT. MCPS should not have a policy of reporting non-crimes to the police. Not sure why this is hard to understand.

Not sure why it's hard for you to understand that that is the police department's policy too. Those quotes are from the police web site. MCPS is complying with MCPD.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the procedure they are to follow.

"VERBAL REPORT: All hate-bias incidents must be reported to the Montgomery County Police Department (MCPD)"

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/compliance/FY23_QUICK%20REFERENCE%20Hate%20Bias%20Procedures.pdf

It’s not a hate-bias incident.

Of course it is. Middle school kids know exactly what they are doing

It’s *obviously* not a crime. There is zero evidence of crime. You don’t report non-crimes to the police. False reports ARE crimes. This is a school discipline issue.

It doesn't have to be a crime. Read the linked document. It specifically says hate-bias incidents must be reported to the police. If you don't like that, feel free to submit testimony at the next BOE meeting.

Yeah I read that - that is why it’s so absurd. That was the whole point. And reporting a non-crime is not something I would do, principal or not. The other point is that the principal is certainly not reporting ALL “hate-bias” incidents. Just the ones by white kids.

Falsely reporting someone to the police - I hope these kids parents sue MCPS and the school.

:roll:

Please, explain how it is justified to report non-crimes to the police, in your world view.

How about the Montgomery County Police Department's world view?

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/howdoI/report-a-hate-bias-incident.html

It says right there - there has to be an underlying crime. Words alone are not a crime even if “hateful.” Especially when they were never directed towards a protected class person. Come on people, this is basic stuff.

You didn't read very well:

"A bias-related incident may be motivated by the same reasons as a hate crime but is different because the initial action did not rise to the level of a criminal offense.​​"

"The MCPD will document every allegation of a hate crime or bias incident and further investigate. The Community Engagement Division (CED) monitors and tracks all Hate-Bias events in Montgomery County."

That is the WHOLE POINT. MCPS should not have a policy of reporting non-crimes to the police. Not sure why this is hard to understand.

It doesn't matter what your opinion is. They have it in place and the principal followed the procedure as she should.

Then they are both wrong. And vulnerable to a 1st Amendment lawsuit. https://www.thefire.org/news/stopping-speech-police-fire-files-amicus-brief-challenge-virginia-techs-bias-policy-and-other

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[Anonymous]

These middle schoolers sound horrible. What in the world is going on within their own homes to make them homophobic and cruel ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These middle schoolers sound horrible. What in the world is going on within their own homes to make them homophobic and cruel ?

Normalcy.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the procedure they are to follow.

"VERBAL REPORT: All hate-bias incidents must be reported to the Montgomery County Police Department (MCPD)"

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/compliance/FY23_QUICK%20REFERENCE%20Hate%20Bias%20Procedures.pdf

It’s not a hate-bias incident.

Of course it is. Middle school kids know exactly what they are doing

It’s *obviously* not a crime. There is zero evidence of crime. You don’t report non-crimes to the police. False reports ARE crimes. This is a school discipline issue.

It doesn't have to be a crime. Read the linked document. It specifically says hate-bias incidents must be reported to the police. If you don't like that, feel free to submit testimony at the next BOE meeting.

Yeah I read that - that is why it’s so absurd. That was the whole point. And reporting a non-crime is not something I would do, principal or not. The other point is that the principal is certainly not reporting ALL “hate-bias” incidents. Just the ones by white kids.

Falsely reporting someone to the police - I hope these kids parents sue MCPS and the school.

Please, explain how it is justified to report non-crimes to the police, in your world view.

How about the Montgomery County Police Department's world view?

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/howdoI/report-a-hate-bias-incident.html

It says right there - there has to be an underlying crime. Words alone are not a crime even if “hateful.” Especially when they were never directed towards a protected class person. Come on people, this is basic stuff.

You didn't read very well:

"A bias-related incident may be motivated by the same reasons as a hate crime but is different because the initial action did not rise to the level of a criminal offense.​​"

"The MCPD will document every allegation of a hate crime or bias incident and further investigate. The Community Engagement Division (CED) monitors and tracks all Hate-Bias events in Montgomery County."

That is the WHOLE POINT. MCPS should not have a policy of reporting non-crimes to the police. Not sure why this is hard to understand.

Not sure why it's hard for you to understand that that is the police department's policy too. Those quotes are from the police web site. MCPS is complying with MCPD.

It’s not the police department’s policy to requires schools report children for non-crimes using vague criteria that violate the 1st Amendment. And if it is, they are equally wrong.

I continue to be stunned that people who in other contexts call for no SROs/defund police think this is an acceptable policy.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the procedure they are to follow.

"VERBAL REPORT: All hate-bias incidents must be reported to the Montgomery County Police Department (MCPD)"

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/compliance/FY23_QUICK%20REFERENCE%20Hate%20Bias%20Procedures.pdf

It’s not a hate-bias incident.

Of course it is. Middle school kids know exactly what they are doing

It’s *obviously* not a crime. There is zero evidence of crime. You don’t report non-crimes to the police. False reports ARE crimes. This is a school discipline issue.

It doesn't have to be a crime. Read the linked document. It specifically says hate-bias incidents must be reported to the police. If you don't like that, feel free to submit testimony at the next BOE meeting.

Yeah I read that - that is why it’s so absurd. That was the whole point. And reporting a non-crime is not something I would do, principal or not. The other point is that the principal is certainly not reporting ALL “hate-bias” incidents. Just the ones by white kids.

Falsely reporting someone to the police - I hope these kids parents sue MCPS and the school.

Please, explain how it is justified to report non-crimes to the police, in your world view.

How about the Montgomery County Police Department's world view?

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/howdoI/report-a-hate-bias-incident.html

It says right there - there has to be an underlying crime. Words alone are not a crime even if “hateful.” Especially when they were never directed towards a protected class person. Come on people, this is basic stuff.

You didn't read very well:

"A bias-related incident may be motivated by the same reasons as a hate crime but is different because the initial action did not rise to the level of a criminal offense.​​"

"The MCPD will document every allegation of a hate crime or bias incident and further investigate. The Community Engagement Division (CED) monitors and tracks all Hate-Bias events in Montgomery County."

That is the WHOLE POINT. MCPS should not have a policy of reporting non-crimes to the police. Not sure why this is hard to understand.

Not sure why it's hard for you to understand that that is the police department's policy too. Those quotes are from the police web site. MCPS is complying with MCPD.

Cultural warriors need stuff to gripe about to keep the battle going!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These middle schoolers sound horrible. What in the world is going on within their own homes to make them homophobic and cruel ?

Have you not read this thread? Most parents are rationalizing this behavior as just jokes or even better, saying their religion/cult doesn’t believe in it and do the kid shouldn’t be at fault. It’s scary

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Anonymous wrote:I do t care about a homophobic club that did not see the light of the day. If no action was taken by the club then it is thought policing.

I care about gun control, drug overdoses, pedophile staff. MCPS needs to fix that more.

This +1 million and I have kids at Wood.

We have limited resources. I don’t want to see our school and county resources wasted on a non-issue. Use that to deal with actual issues.

No money is allocated to the police investigating. How uneducated are you?

The police work for free? Not quite. Calling the police over some kids acting stupid is a waste of resources. I don't blame the Principal, but I do blame the BOE/MCPS for this nonsense.

It doesn’t come out of the school budget.

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Anonymous wrote:These middle schoolers sound horrible. What in the world is going on within their own homes to make them homophobic and cruel ?

Have you not read this thread? Most parents are rationalizing this behavior as just jokes or even better, saying their religion/cult doesn’t believe in it and do the kid shouldn’t be at fault. It’s scary

That is not what anyone has said. What has been said is that reporting this to the police (while ignoring actual crimes like assaults) is a terrible approach. School discipline is likely appropriate.