New "W" High School

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Anonymous wrote:/ Overwhelming majority of kids in Woodward are going to come from WJ, with a smattering from DCC /

Fixed it for ya.

That wouldn't make sense. Woodward's capacity will be 2150. WJ will be overcapacity by 800, Wheaton by 400, and Einstein by 500.

Look at current overcapacities and projections. Notice how DCC schools are rather overrepresented at the top and that W schools tend to be just under? And that the one W with a capacity problem is, poof, getting relief a half mile away? When borders could have been shifted to some currently undercapacity? When a new high school in the eastern part of the county inside the beltway that would more directly address the bulk of the need was eschewed for that new W school and a not-so-great expansion of a run-down Northwood that will still leave overcrowding in the DCC where the county has shoved higher density rezonings?

Think that is happenstance?

Just because it makes sense doesn't mean DCC will see relief.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:/ Overwhelming majority of kids in Woodward are going to come from WJ, with a smattering from DCC /

Fixed it for ya.

That wouldn't make sense. Woodward's capacity will be 2150. WJ will be overcapacity by 800, Wheaton by 400, and Einstein by 500.

Look at current overcapacities and projections. Notice how DCC schools are rather overrepresented at the top and that W schools tend to be just under? And that the one W with a capacity problem is, poof, getting relief a half mile away? When borders could have been shifted to some currently undercapacity? When a new high school in the eastern part of the county inside the beltway that would more directly address the bulk of the need was eschewed for that new W school and a not-so-great expansion of a run-down Northwood that will still leave overcrowding in the DCC where the county has shoved higher density rezonings?

Think that is happenstance?

Just because it makes sense doesn't mean DCC will see relief.

Which site are you referring to? It seems to me that MCPS opted to reopen Woodward because it was a high-school sized plot of land that they already owned, and it had several overcrowded schools reasonably nearby.

By the way, Northwood's run-down building will be razed and replaced with a brand new one. But I agree it will not be enough space to relieve Blair's overcrowding.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:/ Overwhelming majority of kids in Woodward are going to come from WJ, with a smattering from DCC /

Fixed it for ya.

That wouldn't make sense. Woodward's capacity will be 2150. WJ will be overcapacity by 800, Wheaton by 400, and Einstein by 500.

Look at current overcapacities and projections. Notice how DCC schools are rather overrepresented at the top and that W schools tend to be just under? And that the one W with a capacity problem is, poof, getting relief a half mile away? When borders could have been shifted to some currently undercapacity? When a new high school in the eastern part of the county inside the beltway that would more directly address the bulk of the need was eschewed for that new W school and a not-so-great expansion of a run-down Northwood that will still leave overcrowding in the DCC where the county has shoved higher density rezonings?

Think that is happenstance?

Just because it makes sense doesn't mean DCC will see relief.

Which site are you referring to? It seems to me that MCPS opted to reopen Woodward because it was a high-school sized plot of land that they already owned, and it had several overcrowded schools reasonably nearby.

By the way, Northwood's run-down building will be razed and replaced with a brand new one. But I agree it will not be enough space to relieve Blair's overcrowding.

They had several candidate sites, both on and off the record. None were overwhelmingly appealing, but nobody was willing to kill sacred cows to think outside the box. Two that got publicized with all their deficiencies were the Washington Adventist property and the Discovery Communications building (not the main building, but, yes, a truly urban campus without fields, etc.). That made them easy straw men, and they could then point to Woodward & Northwood as being far easier & cheaper.

But not more effective for lower-SES eastern down county. Not providing reasonably similar facility service as that seen in other areas from a school system that pays high lip service to equity. There's no reason we should expect that to change, either the rhetoric or the on-the-ground differential.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:/ Overwhelming majority of kids in Woodward are going to come from WJ, with a smattering from DCC /

Fixed it for ya.

That wouldn't make sense. Woodward's capacity will be 2150. WJ will be overcapacity by 800, Wheaton by 400, and Einstein by 500.

Look at current overcapacities and projections. Notice how DCC schools are rather overrepresented at the top and that W schools tend to be just under? And that the one W with a capacity problem is, poof, getting relief a half mile away? When borders could have been shifted to some currently undercapacity? When a new high school in the eastern part of the county inside the beltway that would more directly address the bulk of the need was eschewed for that new W school and a not-so-great expansion of a run-down Northwood that will still leave overcrowding in the DCC where the county has shoved higher density rezonings?

Think that is happenstance?

Just because it makes sense doesn't mean DCC will see relief.

Which site are you referring to? It seems to me that MCPS opted to reopen Woodward because it was a high-school sized plot of land that they already owned, and it had several overcrowded schools reasonably nearby.

By the way, Northwood's run-down building will be razed and replaced with a brand new one. But I agree it will not be enough space to relieve Blair's overcrowding.

They had several candidate sites, both on and off the record. None were overwhelmingly appealing, but nobody was willing to kill sacred cows to think outside the box. Two that got publicized with all their deficiencies were the Washington Adventist property and the Discovery Communications building (not the main building, but, yes, a truly urban campus without fields, etc.). That made them easy straw men, and they could then point to Woodward & Northwood as being far easier & cheaper.

But not more effective for lower-SES eastern down county. Not providing reasonably similar facility service as that seen in other areas from a school system that pays high lip service to equity. There's no reason we should expect that to change, either the rhetoric or the on-the-ground differential.

I understand the distrust of the BOE, but financial and time constraints are a reality that has to be accounted for when deciding how to address the overcrowding issues. Especially since the most overcrowded schools are WJ, Blair, Einstein, and Wheaton, the expansion of Northwood and the re-opening of Woodward were the options that would best service those particular schools. Blair and Northwood are only a mile and a half apart, and there are Wheaton feeders that used to be zoned for Woodward in its prior life. You can’t please everyone, but they picked the locations that made the most financial and logistical sense. I don’t think these posters who are advocating for making adjustments to a bunch of boundaries realize what a logistical nightmare it would be to do that, it’s going to be difficult enough to do even for the 4 schools that need it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:/ Overwhelming majority of kids in Woodward are going to come from WJ, with a smattering from DCC /

Fixed it for ya.

That wouldn't make sense. Woodward's capacity will be 2150. WJ will be overcapacity by 800, Wheaton by 400, and Einstein by 500.

Look at current overcapacities and projections. Notice how DCC schools are rather overrepresented at the top and that W schools tend to be just under? And that the one W with a capacity problem is, poof, getting relief a half mile away? When borders could have been shifted to some currently undercapacity? When a new high school in the eastern part of the county inside the beltway that would more directly address the bulk of the need was eschewed for that new W school and a not-so-great expansion of a run-down Northwood that will still leave overcrowding in the DCC where the county has shoved higher density rezonings?

Think that is happenstance?

Just because it makes sense doesn't mean DCC will see relief.

Which site are you referring to? It seems to me that MCPS opted to reopen Woodward because it was a high-school sized plot of land that they already owned, and it had several overcrowded schools reasonably nearby.

By the way, Northwood's run-down building will be razed and replaced with a brand new one. But I agree it will not be enough space to relieve Blair's overcrowding.

They had several candidate sites, both on and off the record. None were overwhelmingly appealing, but nobody was willing to kill sacred cows to think outside the box. Two that got publicized with all their deficiencies were the Washington Adventist property and the Discovery Communications building (not the main building, but, yes, a truly urban campus without fields, etc.). That made them easy straw men, and they could then point to Woodward & Northwood as being far easier & cheaper.

But not more effective for lower-SES eastern down county. Not providing reasonably similar facility service as that seen in other areas from a school system that pays high lip service to equity. There's no reason we should expect that to change, either the rhetoric or the on-the-ground differential.

I remember those presentations about the hospital and Discovery buildings, but they were in the context of seeking a temporary holding facility for Northwood students during their construction. They ultimately decided to delay Woodward's already-approved reopening and use its partially finished building as a holding school for Northwood first. I do not think there was a proposal to open a permanent new high school at the hospital or Discovery sites (though I agree that would have been worthwhile to consider). I still don't know why they don't go ahead with an addition to Einstein. They have room to expand.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:/ Overwhelming majority of kids in Woodward are going to come from WJ, with a smattering from DCC /

Fixed it for ya.

That wouldn't make sense. Woodward's capacity will be 2150. WJ will be overcapacity by 800, Wheaton by 400, and Einstein by 500.

Look at current overcapacities and projections. Notice how DCC schools are rather overrepresented at the top and that W schools tend to be just under? And that the one W with a capacity problem is, poof, getting relief a half mile away? When borders could have been shifted to some currently undercapacity? When a new high school in the eastern part of the county inside the beltway that would more directly address the bulk of the need was eschewed for that new W school and a not-so-great expansion of a run-down Northwood that will still leave overcrowding in the DCC where the county has shoved higher density rezonings?

Think that is happenstance?

Just because it makes sense doesn't mean DCC will see relief.

Which site are you referring to? It seems to me that MCPS opted to reopen Woodward because it was a high-school sized plot of land that they already owned, and it had several overcrowded schools reasonably nearby.

By the way, Northwood's run-down building will be razed and replaced with a brand new one. But I agree it will not be enough space to relieve Blair's overcrowding.

They had several candidate sites, both on and off the record. None were overwhelmingly appealing, but nobody was willing to kill sacred cows to think outside the box. Two that got publicized with all their deficiencies were the Washington Adventist property and the Discovery Communications building (not the main building, but, yes, a truly urban campus without fields, etc.). That made them easy straw men, and they could then point to Woodward & Northwood as being far easier & cheaper.

But not more effective for lower-SES eastern down county. Not providing reasonably similar facility service as that seen in other areas from a school system that pays high lip service to equity. There's no reason we should expect that to change, either the rhetoric or the on-the-ground differential.

I understand the distrust of the BOE, but financial and time constraints are a reality that has to be accounted for when deciding how to address the overcrowding issues. Especially since the most overcrowded schools are WJ, Blair, Einstein, and Wheaton, the expansion of Northwood and the re-opening of Woodward were the options that would best service those particular schools. Blair and Northwood are only a mile and a half apart, and there are Wheaton feeders that used to be zoned for Woodward in its prior life. You can’t please everyone, but they picked the locations that made the most financial and logistical sense. I don’t think these posters who are advocating for making adjustments to a bunch of boundaries realize what a logistical nightmare it would be to do that, it’s going to be difficult enough to do even for the 4 schools that need it.

And, right on cue, we have it: the dual excuse that will keep the Ws happy and the DCC overcrowded.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:/ Overwhelming majority of kids in Woodward are going to come from WJ, with a smattering from DCC /

Fixed it for ya.

That wouldn't make sense. Woodward's capacity will be 2150. WJ will be overcapacity by 800, Wheaton by 400, and Einstein by 500.

Look at current overcapacities and projections. Notice how DCC schools are rather overrepresented at the top and that W schools tend to be just under? And that the one W with a capacity problem is, poof, getting relief a half mile away? When borders could have been shifted to some currently undercapacity? When a new high school in the eastern part of the county inside the beltway that would more directly address the bulk of the need was eschewed for that new W school and a not-so-great expansion of a run-down Northwood that will still leave overcrowding in the DCC where the county has shoved higher density rezonings?

Think that is happenstance?

Just because it makes sense doesn't mean DCC will see relief.

Which site are you referring to? It seems to me that MCPS opted to reopen Woodward because it was a high-school sized plot of land that they already owned, and it had several overcrowded schools reasonably nearby.

By the way, Northwood's run-down building will be razed and replaced with a brand new one. But I agree it will not be enough space to relieve Blair's overcrowding.

They had several candidate sites, both on and off the record. None were overwhelmingly appealing, but nobody was willing to kill sacred cows to think outside the box. Two that got publicized with all their deficiencies were the Washington Adventist property and the Discovery Communications building (not the main building, but, yes, a truly urban campus without fields, etc.). That made them easy straw men, and they could then point to Woodward & Northwood as being far easier & cheaper.

But not more effective for lower-SES eastern down county. Not providing reasonably similar facility service as that seen in other areas from a school system that pays high lip service to equity. There's no reason we should expect that to change, either the rhetoric or the on-the-ground differential.

I understand the distrust of the BOE, but financial and time constraints are a reality that has to be accounted for when deciding how to address the overcrowding issues. Especially since the most overcrowded schools are WJ, Blair, Einstein, and Wheaton, the expansion of Northwood and the re-opening of Woodward were the options that would best service those particular schools. Blair and Northwood are only a mile and a half apart, and there are Wheaton feeders that used to be zoned for Woodward in its prior life. You can’t please everyone, but they picked the locations that made the most financial and logistical sense. I don’t think these posters who are advocating for making adjustments to a bunch of boundaries realize what a logistical nightmare it would be to do that, it’s going to be difficult enough to do even for the 4 schools that need it.

And, right on cue, we have it: the dual excuse that will keep the Ws happy and the DCC overcrowded.

I’m the poster you’re responding to and my kid is zoned for Einstein and is 10, so we will be squarely impacted by this. Extreme overcrowding is extreme overcrowding regardless of whether it’s a W school or a DCC school. They had to kill multiple birds with these 2 stones. I get the skepticism but that’s just the reality of the situation. I think it’s easier for people with no skin in the game to throw out these fantastical plans because the logistics have no impact on them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:/ Overwhelming majority of kids in Woodward are going to come from WJ, with a smattering from DCC /

Fixed it for ya.

That wouldn't make sense. Woodward's capacity will be 2150. WJ will be overcapacity by 800, Wheaton by 400, and Einstein by 500.

Look at current overcapacities and projections. Notice how DCC schools are rather overrepresented at the top and that W schools tend to be just under? And that the one W with a capacity problem is, poof, getting relief a half mile away? When borders could have been shifted to some currently undercapacity? When a new high school in the eastern part of the county inside the beltway that would more directly address the bulk of the need was eschewed for that new W school and a not-so-great expansion of a run-down Northwood that will still leave overcrowding in the DCC where the county has shoved higher density rezonings?

Think that is happenstance?

Just because it makes sense doesn't mean DCC will see relief.

Which site are you referring to? It seems to me that MCPS opted to reopen Woodward because it was a high-school sized plot of land that they already owned, and it had several overcrowded schools reasonably nearby.

By the way, Northwood's run-down building will be razed and replaced with a brand new one. But I agree it will not be enough space to relieve Blair's overcrowding.

They had several candidate sites, both on and off the record. None were overwhelmingly appealing, but nobody was willing to kill sacred cows to think outside the box. Two that got publicized with all their deficiencies were the Washington Adventist property and the Discovery Communications building (not the main building, but, yes, a truly urban campus without fields, etc.). That made them easy straw men, and they could then point to Woodward & Northwood as being far easier & cheaper.

But not more effective for lower-SES eastern down county. Not providing reasonably similar facility service as that seen in other areas from a school system that pays high lip service to equity. There's no reason we should expect that to change, either the rhetoric or the on-the-ground differential.

I remember those presentations about the hospital and Discovery buildings, but they were in the context of seeking a temporary holding facility for Northwood students during their construction. They ultimately decided to delay Woodward's already-approved reopening and use its partially finished building as a holding school for Northwood first. I do not think there was a proposal to open a permanent new high school at the hospital or Discovery sites (though I agree that would have been worthwhile to consider). I still don't know why they don't go ahead with an addition to Einstein. They have room to expand.

They were for a permanent facility. There was an option considered for use as a holding facility that was kind of resurrected towards the end of consideration.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:/ Overwhelming majority of kids in Woodward are going to come from WJ, with a smattering from DCC /

Fixed it for ya.

That wouldn't make sense. Woodward's capacity will be 2150. WJ will be overcapacity by 800, Wheaton by 400, and Einstein by 500.

Look at current overcapacities and projections. Notice how DCC schools are rather overrepresented at the top and that W schools tend to be just under? And that the one W with a capacity problem is, poof, getting relief a half mile away? When borders could have been shifted to some currently undercapacity? When a new high school in the eastern part of the county inside the beltway that would more directly address the bulk of the need was eschewed for that new W school and a not-so-great expansion of a run-down Northwood that will still leave overcrowding in the DCC where the county has shoved higher density rezonings?

Think that is happenstance?

Just because it makes sense doesn't mean DCC will see relief.

Which site are you referring to? It seems to me that MCPS opted to reopen Woodward because it was a high-school sized plot of land that they already owned, and it had several overcrowded schools reasonably nearby.

By the way, Northwood's run-down building will be razed and replaced with a brand new one. But I agree it will not be enough space to relieve Blair's overcrowding.

They had several candidate sites, both on and off the record. None were overwhelmingly appealing, but nobody was willing to kill sacred cows to think outside the box. Two that got publicized with all their deficiencies were the Washington Adventist property and the Discovery Communications building (not the main building, but, yes, a truly urban campus without fields, etc.). That made them easy straw men, and they could then point to Woodward & Northwood as being far easier & cheaper.

But not more effective for lower-SES eastern down county. Not providing reasonably similar facility service as that seen in other areas from a school system that pays high lip service to equity. There's no reason we should expect that to change, either the rhetoric or the on-the-ground differential.

I understand the distrust of the BOE, but financial and time constraints are a reality that has to be accounted for when deciding how to address the overcrowding issues. Especially since the most overcrowded schools are WJ, Blair, Einstein, and Wheaton, the expansion of Northwood and the re-opening of Woodward were the options that would best service those particular schools. Blair and Northwood are only a mile and a half apart, and there are Wheaton feeders that used to be zoned for Woodward in its prior life. You can’t please everyone, but they picked the locations that made the most financial and logistical sense. I don’t think these posters who are advocating for making adjustments to a bunch of boundaries realize what a logistical nightmare it would be to do that, it’s going to be difficult enough to do even for the 4 schools that need it.

And, right on cue, we have it: the dual excuse that will keep the Ws happy and the DCC overcrowded.

I’m the poster you’re responding to and my kid is zoned for Einstein and is 10, so we will be squarely impacted by this. Extreme overcrowding is extreme overcrowding regardless of whether it’s a W school or a DCC school. They had to kill multiple birds with these 2 stones. I get the skepticism but that’s just the reality of the situation. I think it’s easier for people with no skin in the game to throw out these fantastical plans because the logistics have no impact on them.

Not saying ot won't impact you. But that's the world we live in.

[Anonymous]

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They had several candidate sites, both on and off the record. None were overwhelmingly appealing, but nobody was willing to kill sacred cows to think outside the box. Two that got publicized with all their deficiencies were the Washington Adventist property and the Discovery Communications building (not the main building, but, yes, a truly urban campus without fields, etc.). That made them easy straw men, and they could then point to Woodward & Northwood as being far easier & cheaper.

But not more effective for lower-SES eastern down county. Not providing reasonably similar facility service as that seen in other areas from a school system that pays high lip service to equity. There's no reason we should expect that to change, either the rhetoric or the on-the-ground differential.

Mixed metaphor alert...

Also, according to you, the options for MCPS options

1. Buy a property for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, then build a new building on it
2. Buy a different property for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, then build a new building on it, minus the amenities that every other high school in the county has
3. Build a new building on a property they already own

I'm astonished that they chose option 3.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:/ Overwhelming majority of kids in Woodward are going to come from WJ, with a smattering from DCC /

Fixed it for ya.

That wouldn't make sense. Woodward's capacity will be 2150. WJ will be overcapacity by 800, Wheaton by 400, and Einstein by 500.

Look at current overcapacities and projections. Notice how DCC schools are rather overrepresented at the top and that W schools tend to be just under? And that the one W with a capacity problem is, poof, getting relief a half mile away? When borders could have been shifted to some currently undercapacity? When a new high school in the eastern part of the county inside the beltway that would more directly address the bulk of the need was eschewed for that new W school and a not-so-great expansion of a run-down Northwood that will still leave overcrowding in the DCC where the county has shoved higher density rezonings?

Think that is happenstance?

Just because it makes sense doesn't mean DCC will see relief.

Which site are you referring to? It seems to me that MCPS opted to reopen Woodward because it was a high-school sized plot of land that they already owned, and it had several overcrowded schools reasonably nearby.

By the way, Northwood's run-down building will be razed and replaced with a brand new one. But I agree it will not be enough space to relieve Blair's overcrowding.

They had several candidate sites, both on and off the record. None were overwhelmingly appealing, but nobody was willing to kill sacred cows to think outside the box. Two that got publicized with all their deficiencies were the Washington Adventist property and the Discovery Communications building (not the main building, but, yes, a truly urban campus without fields, etc.). That made them easy straw men, and they could then point to Woodward & Northwood as being far easier & cheaper.

But not more effective for lower-SES eastern down county. Not providing reasonably similar facility service as that seen in other areas from a school system that pays high lip service to equity. There's no reason we should expect that to change, either the rhetoric or the on-the-ground differential.

I remember those presentations about the hospital and Discovery buildings, but they were in the context of seeking a temporary holding facility for Northwood students during their construction. They ultimately decided to delay Woodward's already-approved reopening and use its partially finished building as a holding school for Northwood first. I do not think there was a proposal to open a permanent new high school at the hospital or Discovery sites (though I agree that would have been worthwhile to consider). I still don't know why they don't go ahead with an addition to Einstein. They have room to expand.

They were for a permanent facility. There was an option considered for use as a holding facility that was kind of resurrected towards the end of consideration.

This was the March 2019 presentation to the BOE, under the agenda item Northwood High School Possible Holding Center Facilities:

https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/BAEVW7736805/$file/Northwood%20HS%20Holding%20Ctr%20Eval%20MGT%20Consulting%20Grp%20190314%20PPT.pdf

If you have another link to share, please do.

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Anonymous wrote:/ Overwhelming majority of kids in Woodward are going to come from WJ, with a smattering from DCC /

Fixed it for ya.

That wouldn't make sense. Woodward's capacity will be 2150. WJ will be overcapacity by 800, Wheaton by 400, and Einstein by 500.

Look at current overcapacities and projections. Notice how DCC schools are rather overrepresented at the top and that W schools tend to be just under? And that the one W with a capacity problem is, poof, getting relief a half mile away? When borders could have been shifted to some currently undercapacity? When a new high school in the eastern part of the county inside the beltway that would more directly address the bulk of the need was eschewed for that new W school and a not-so-great expansion of a run-down Northwood that will still leave overcrowding in the DCC where the county has shoved higher density rezonings?

Think that is happenstance?

Just because it makes sense doesn't mean DCC will see relief.

Which site are you referring to? It seems to me that MCPS opted to reopen Woodward because it was a high-school sized plot of land that they already owned, and it had several overcrowded schools reasonably nearby.

By the way, Northwood's run-down building will be razed and replaced with a brand new one. But I agree it will not be enough space to relieve Blair's overcrowding.

They had several candidate sites, both on and off the record. None were overwhelmingly appealing, but nobody was willing to kill sacred cows to think outside the box. Two that got publicized with all their deficiencies were the Washington Adventist property and the Discovery Communications building (not the main building, but, yes, a truly urban campus without fields, etc.). That made them easy straw men, and they could then point to Woodward & Northwood as being far easier & cheaper.

But not more effective for lower-SES eastern down county. Not providing reasonably similar facility service as that seen in other areas from a school system that pays high lip service to equity. There's no reason we should expect that to change, either the rhetoric or the on-the-ground differential.

I understand the distrust of the BOE, but financial and time constraints are a reality that has to be accounted for when deciding how to address the overcrowding issues. Especially since the most overcrowded schools are WJ, Blair, Einstein, and Wheaton, the expansion of Northwood and the re-opening of Woodward were the options that would best service those particular schools. Blair and Northwood are only a mile and a half apart, and there are Wheaton feeders that used to be zoned for Woodward in its prior life. You can’t please everyone, but they picked the locations that made the most financial and logistical sense. I don’t think these posters who are advocating for making adjustments to a bunch of boundaries realize what a logistical nightmare it would be to do that, it’s going to be difficult enough to do even for the 4 schools that need it.

And, right on cue, we have it: the dual excuse that will keep the Ws happy and the DCC overcrowded.

We're in this together. The solution should involve rezoning all boundaries to find the best solution for our resources instead of placating a few wealthy families and their sacred immutable boundaries that should be part of the solution.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:[

They had several candidate sites, both on and off the record. None were overwhelmingly appealing, but nobody was willing to kill sacred cows to think outside the box. Two that got publicized with all their deficiencies were the Washington Adventist property and the Discovery Communications building (not the main building, but, yes, a truly urban campus without fields, etc.). That made them easy straw men, and they could then point to Woodward & Northwood as being far easier & cheaper.

But not more effective for lower-SES eastern down county. Not providing reasonably similar facility service as that seen in other areas from a school system that pays high lip service to equity. There's no reason we should expect that to change, either the rhetoric or the on-the-ground differential.

Mixed metaphor alert...

Also, according to you, the options for MCPS options

1. Buy a property for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, then build a new building on it
2. Buy a different property for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, then build a new building on it, minus the amenities that every other high school in the county has
3. Build a new building on a property they already own

I'm astonished that they chose option 3.

They could fund this by selling a few of underused but the expensive properties they own in Western Moco.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:/ Overwhelming majority of kids in Woodward are going to come from WJ, with a smattering from DCC /

Fixed it for ya.

That wouldn't make sense. Woodward's capacity will be 2150. WJ will be overcapacity by 800, Wheaton by 400, and Einstein by 500.

It's easy to see how this is going to play out. Similarly, the northernmost part of Blair's boundary with around 500 students will likely wind up at the new and expanded Northwood because last I knew it was about 500 over capacity. This means people who live across the street from Blair will attend Northwood. Still, Blair's geographic location is mostly irrelevant since it was originally inside the beltway in DTSS and moved to its current location as a convenience and there are no other HSs inside the beltway and east of the park.

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Anonymous wrote:/ Overwhelming majority of kids in Woodward are going to come from WJ, with a smattering from DCC /

Fixed it for ya.

That wouldn't make sense. Woodward's capacity will be 2150. WJ will be overcapacity by 800, Wheaton by 400, and Einstein by 500.

Look at current overcapacities and projections. Notice how DCC schools are rather overrepresented at the top and that W schools tend to be just under? And that the one W with a capacity problem is, poof, getting relief a half mile away? When borders could have been shifted to some currently undercapacity? When a new high school in the eastern part of the county inside the beltway that would more directly address the bulk of the need was eschewed for that new W school and a not-so-great expansion of a run-down Northwood that will still leave overcrowding in the DCC where the county has shoved higher density rezonings?

Think that is happenstance?

Just because it makes sense doesn't mean DCC will see relief.

Which site are you referring to? It seems to me that MCPS opted to reopen Woodward because it was a high-school sized plot of land that they already owned, and it had several overcrowded schools reasonably nearby.

By the way, Northwood's run-down building will be razed and replaced with a brand new one. But I agree it will not be enough space to relieve Blair's overcrowding.

They had several candidate sites, both on and off the record. None were overwhelmingly appealing, but nobody was willing to kill sacred cows to think outside the box. Two that got publicized with all their deficiencies were the Washington Adventist property and the Discovery Communications building (not the main building, but, yes, a truly urban campus without fields, etc.). That made them easy straw men, and they could then point to Woodward & Northwood as being far easier & cheaper.

But not more effective for lower-SES eastern down county. Not providing reasonably similar facility service as that seen in other areas from a school system that pays high lip service to equity. There's no reason we should expect that to change, either the rhetoric or the on-the-ground differential.

I understand the distrust of the BOE, but financial and time constraints are a reality that has to be accounted for when deciding how to address the overcrowding issues. Especially since the most overcrowded schools are WJ, Blair, Einstein, and Wheaton, the expansion of Northwood and the re-opening of Woodward were the options that would best service those particular schools. Blair and Northwood are only a mile and a half apart, and there are Wheaton feeders that used to be zoned for Woodward in its prior life. You can’t please everyone, but they picked the locations that made the most financial and logistical sense. I don’t think these posters who are advocating for making adjustments to a bunch of boundaries realize what a logistical nightmare it would be to do that, it’s going to be difficult enough to do even for the 4 schools that need it.

And, right on cue, we have it: the dual excuse that will keep the Ws happy and the DCC overcrowded.

We're in this together. The solution should involve rezoning all boundaries to find the best solution for our resources instead of placating a few wealthy families and their sacred immutable boundaries that should be part of the solution.

Yes, focus should be on the best solution.

Best solution by default is to rezoning all boundaries to utilize the limited resources as best as possible.