Idaho Murder Suspect Bryan Kohberger - arrest warrant affadavit

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Anonymous wrote:I am tired of the roommates being blamed.

And? What if your daughter's roommate did nothing while your kid got murdered. She was safely locked in her room. Her inaction for seven hours inexcusable.

She lived in a party house with a bunch of roommates, and drunken shenanigans at all hours. She knew enough to feel nervous but obviously never imagined MURDERS were taking place. Ffs some of you people are heartless.

+1 it's been hard for my brain to take me back there, at first when I read the report I was pretty horrified and confused. But if you really take yourself back to a super crazy party house in college with lots of roommates (which it was reported this house was even before the affadavit, it was the house where lots of people were coming and going), you can sort of get in the headspace where she assumed it was a weird hook up and he'd left. I don't know how close she was to the roommate, I was usually close to my roommates so would have gone to check if they are ok. But post college I lived in a house with 5 people and I didn't know all of them that well, so i maybe wouldn't have been as comfortable? I mean personally I'm always the one that calls 911 even in college I was the friend being like uhh something is wrong here and dealing with it, that being said I had plenty of friends who are nice people who I can imagine being very passive in a situation like this. Also, masks aren't that weird now... which is a factor.

Yeah, I lived in a house with three other guys and two girls for two years in undergrad. I encountered a number of different strangers in the house (both male and female) leaving my housemates' rooms, at all hours of the day. After a night of drinking, I don't think I would have mentally processed the situation as a murderer leaving the house.

This. I feel like some people do not remember what college was like?

Yep! Did you all not live in group homes in college? I lived with between 4 and 12 people at various points. All sorts of significant others and friends were coming and going. I locked my bedroom and tuned it all out.

I did but they were my friends. If i suspected something weird was going on I would check on them. Or at least be like “omg who was that guy!?”

I thought they were all friends but apparently not

It's pretty common for a group house to have a revolving cast of roommates, as people graduate, move out etc. and are replaced by new residents. You might not know everything going on with your roommates, so you wouldn't automatically suspect something untoward if you saw a stranger leaving someone else's room.

One of my housemates had a revolving cast of guys passing through her bedroom, and she thrived off drama. If I saw a strange dude leaving her room in the wee hours after what sounded like a fight, I would have just rolled my eyes and gone back to bed.

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Anonymous wrote:I am tired of the roommates being blamed.

And? What if your daughter's roommate did nothing while your kid got murdered. She was safely locked in her room. Her inaction for seven hours inexcusable.

She lived in a party house with a bunch of roommates, and drunken shenanigans at all hours. She knew enough to feel nervous but obviously never imagined MURDERS were taking place. Ffs some of you people are heartless.

+1 it's been hard for my brain to take me back there, at first when I read the report I was pretty horrified and confused. But if you really take yourself back to a super crazy party house in college with lots of roommates (which it was reported this house was even before the affadavit, it was the house where lots of people were coming and going), you can sort of get in the headspace where she assumed it was a weird hook up and he'd left. I don't know how close she was to the roommate, I was usually close to my roommates so would have gone to check if they are ok. But post college I lived in a house with 5 people and I didn't know all of them that well, so i maybe wouldn't have been as comfortable? I mean personally I'm always the one that calls 911 even in college I was the friend being like uhh something is wrong here and dealing with it, that being said I had plenty of friends who are nice people who I can imagine being very passive in a situation like this. Also, masks aren't that weird now... which is a factor.

Yeah, I lived in a house with three other guys and two girls for two years in undergrad. I encountered a number of different strangers in the house (both male and female) leaving my housemates' rooms, at all hours of the day. After a night of drinking, I don't think I would have mentally processed the situation as a murderer leaving the house.

Agreed. I lived in a big shared house in undergrad too and there were always people coming and going. Parties, hookups, breakups, meltdowns about school or sports, you name it. If I got woken up by a commotion after a late night of drinking I would have locked my room door so no drunks stumbled in, put in earplugs, and cranked the fan for white noise. I would never have assumed that my roommates had been harmed, let alone murdered.

This. None of us knows what it was like in that situation. Probably her mind went to the most obvious conclusion which is that people were being loud and someone random had stopped by. No one could have guessed what had actually happened.

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Anonymous wrote:Note to self: no large group homes for DD in college.

Honestly, this is a freak occurrence. Random killings like this are exceedingly rare. The person most likely to harm your DD would be her significant other, or someone else she knows.

I don't want random men she doesn't know traipsing through the house at 4am and no one thinking this is weird at all, per so many people on this thread. No thanks. A dorm, or an apartment with 1-2 roomates max.

Lol those 1-2 roommates will do what they want. Good luck, PP. Godspeed.

You do understand that not all college females are the same, right? None of my college roomates had "random" guys sleep over. There wasn't a ton of sleeping over at all, and when there was, they were boyfriends. Not randoms.

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Don't forget the roommate was asleep after drinking and then woken up at 4:00 so she is also sleep disoriented. At first she thought she was woken up by Kaylee playing with her dog. That is what her mind thought was happening at the time.

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Anonymous wrote:Note to self: no large group homes for DD in college.

Honestly, this is a freak occurrence. Random killings like this are exceedingly rare. The person most likely to harm your DD would be her significant other, or someone else she knows.

Many of us lived in these places (by at least junior year) because they were cheap. I spent as little as $100/month for a group home.

I think my rent was $325 per month in Ann Arbor in the '90's, to share a decrepit house. At that age, you don't really care that you're not living in luxury housing.

After Freshman year, most people are chomping at the bit to get out of the dorms and move into their first "adult" house where they can do whatever they want.

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Eight pages blaming a traumatized 20 year old girl. Why don't you all focus on the man who brutally murdered four people.

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Anonymous wrote:Note to self: no large group homes for DD in college.

Honestly, this is a freak occurrence. Random killings like this are exceedingly rare. The person most likely to harm your DD would be her significant other, or someone else she knows.

I don't want random men she doesn't know traipsing through the house at 4am and no one thinking this is weird at all, per so many people on this thread. No thanks. A dorm, or an apartment with 1-2 roomates max.

Bwahahah you think a dorm is any better?? It's hundreds of random people with very little (if any) supervision.

I hope you can afford a nice one bedroom for your kid off campus.

There actually weren't tons of people roaming my dorm at 4am. There are also key cards on the outside and dorm room doors have real locks, not just cheap bedroom locks.

And those keycard doors get propped open, just fyi.

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Anonymous wrote:Eight pages blaming a traumatized 20 year old girl. Why don't you all focus on the man who brutally murdered four people.

I don't see a lot of blaming, really. Just a lot of middle-aged people who've forgotten what life was like in their early 20's.

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Anonymous wrote:Eight pages blaming a traumatized 20 year old girl. Why don't you all focus on the man who brutally murdered four people.

I don't see a lot of blaming, really. Just a lot of middle-aged people who've forgotten what life was like in their early 20's.

Some of us haven't "forgotten" - we actually didn't live like that so some of this is really eye opening what people consider normal behavior.

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Anonymous wrote:Eight pages blaming a traumatized 20 year old girl. Why don't you all focus on the man who brutally murdered four people.

I don't see a lot of blaming, really. Just a lot of middle-aged people who've forgotten what life was like in their early 20's.

Some of us haven't "forgotten" - we actually didn't live like that so some of this is really eye opening what people consider normal behavior.

I find it hard to believe that you never encountered this type of living arrangement in college. I mean, I lived in this type of house, but I also knew people who lived in an apartment with just 1-2 roommates, some who lived in dorms all 4 years, a few who had their own apartments, some who lived at home with their parents etc. None of it was "eye-opening" to me.

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Anonymous wrote:Eight pages blaming a traumatized 20 year old girl. Why don't you all focus on the man who brutally murdered four people.

No one is blaming her for what happened. We are rightfully questioning why she didn't call for help immediately. It's a fair and interesting question. If you don't want to discuss it then move along.

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The timeline is so short -- 25 minutes. At 4am delivery. Murders between then and 4:25. Suspect driving by multiple times. Did he see the opening with the delivery? Kills 4 people with dog barking and a roommate who sees him walking out. A psychopath for sure.

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Anonymous wrote:Note to self: no large group homes for DD in college.

Honestly, this is a freak occurrence. Random killings like this are exceedingly rare. The person most likely to harm your DD would be her significant other, or someone else she knows.

I don't want random men she doesn't know traipsing through the house at 4am and no one thinking this is weird at all, per so many people on this thread. No thanks. A dorm, or an apartment with 1-2 roomates max.

Lol those 1-2 roommates will do what they want. Good luck, PP. Godspeed.

You do understand that not all college females are the same, right? None of my college roomates had "random" guys sleep over. There wasn't a ton of sleeping over at all, and when there was, they were boyfriends. Not randoms.

But how do you vet this?

Each subsequent time I found new housing in college, most of the females didn’t have boyfriends AT THE TIME, yet every year they did by spring.

And you let random people sleep on your couch because it’s better than the alternative. You don’t seek them out, it happens.

I was a goody two shoes and it happened. You have this utopian idea of how you are going to control your adult daughters adult roommates, but you won’t. Maybe expensive single housing will be best for her.

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Anonymous wrote:Eight pages blaming a traumatized 20 year old girl. Why don't you all focus on the man who brutally murdered four people.

No one is blaming her for what happened. We are rightfully questioning why she didn't call for help immediately. It's a fair and interesting question. If you don't want to discuss it then move along.

I think your question has been answered, many times over now. So perhaps you can move along.

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Anonymous wrote:Eight pages blaming a traumatized 20 year old girl. Why don't you all focus on the man who brutally murdered four people.

I don't see a lot of blaming, really. Just a lot of middle-aged people who've forgotten what life was like in their early 20's.

Some of us haven't "forgotten" - we actually didn't live like that so some of this is really eye opening what people consider normal behavior.

I find it hard to believe that you never encountered this type of living arrangement in college. I mean, I lived in this type of house, but I also knew people who lived in an apartment with just 1-2 roommates, some who lived in dorms all 4 years, a few who had their own apartments, some who lived at home with their parents etc. None of it was "eye-opening" to me.

I knew people who lived in group houses. I didn't sleep over there and I didn't know it was normal for randos to be walking down the hallway at 4am.