Governor Glenn Youngkin Calls for Attorney General Jason Miyares to Investigate the Leadership of Th

[Anonymous]

Good, this woke nonsense has gone too far...now kids are getting hurt for some utopian push at complete equality.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“Equal outcomes for every student without exception” is an impossible goal. Some are smarter, some more athletic, some artistic, some work harder.

That was a terrible thing to do to the students who earned their award.

I agree. I am disgusted to hear “equal outcome for every student without exception.” It’s not only ridiculous it’s evil. When the former superintendent proposed a “merit lottery” for TJ’s admission process, I thought the stupidity would never be surpassed, I was wrong. Now we’ll have “equal outcome” for our kids. Does anyone here expect “equal outcome” for your own kids?

It's not "evil." It's a goal. It's rhetorical. It's aspirational.

Anyone who thinks in terms of that somehow costing their own child something is just a despicable piece of human garbage. Imagine being told this and your first concern is "WHAT ABOUT *MY* CHILD? *MY* CHILD IS SPECIAL."

I mean, that's such a twisted and diseased way of thinking.

DP, but we'd be better off if more people took care of their own kids first and stopped expecting government to engineer "equal outcomes" for all.

And lofty aspirations and slogans are no substitute for competent leadership, as illustrated by the ongoing decline of FCPS.

+1 I don't have a kid at TJ but I am so sick of seeing achievement swept under the rug. Honor rolls used to be celebrated with an assembly or announcement. Now certificates, if they give one, is just dropped on kids' desks. This was happening prior to covid. What's wrong with letting those know they're doing great and to keep on going?

I hear they want to do away with NHS sashes at graduation. Is this true?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Equal outcomes for every student without exception” is an impossible goal. Some are smarter, some more athletic, some artistic, some work harder.

That was a terrible thing to do to the students who earned their award.

I agree. I am disgusted to hear “equal outcome for every student without exception.” It’s not only ridiculous it’s evil. When the former superintendent proposed a “merit lottery” for TJ’s admission process, I thought the stupidity would never be surpassed, I was wrong. Now we’ll have “equal outcome” for our kids. Does anyone here expect “equal outcome” for your own kids?

It's not "evil." It's a goal. It's rhetorical. It's aspirational.

Anyone who thinks in terms of that somehow costing their own child something is just a despicable piece of human garbage. Imagine being told this and your first concern is "WHAT ABOUT *MY* CHILD? *MY* CHILD IS SPECIAL."

I mean, that's such a twisted and diseased way of thinking.

DP, but we'd be better off if more people took care of their own kids first and stopped expecting government to engineer "equal outcomes" for all.

And lofty aspirations and slogans are no substitute for competent leadership, as illustrated by the ongoing decline of FCPS.

+1 I don't have a kid at TJ but I am so sick of seeing achievement swept under the rug. Honor rolls used to be celebrated with an assembly or announcement. Now certificates, if they give one, is just dropped on kids' desks. This was happening prior to covid. What's wrong with letting those know they're doing great and to keep on going?

I hear they want to do away with NHS sashes at graduation. Is this true?

They only want to celebrate 'Athletic' achievements not 'Academic' achievements - remember they only serve one 'preferred group' and it ain't he Asian students, I mean academically advanced students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Equal outcomes for every student without exception” is an impossible goal. Some are smarter, some more athletic, some artistic, some work harder.

That was a terrible thing to do to the students who earned their award.

I agree. I am disgusted to hear “equal outcome for every student without exception.” It’s not only ridiculous it’s evil. When the former superintendent proposed a “merit lottery” for TJ’s admission process, I thought the stupidity would never be surpassed, I was wrong. Now we’ll have “equal outcome” for our kids. Does anyone here expect “equal outcome” for your own kids?

It's not "evil." It's a goal. It's rhetorical. It's aspirational.

Anyone who thinks in terms of that somehow costing their own child something is just a despicable piece of human garbage. Imagine being told this and your first concern is "WHAT ABOUT *MY* CHILD? *MY* CHILD IS SPECIAL."

I mean, that's such a twisted and diseased way of thinking.

DP, but we'd be better off if more people took care of their own kids first and stopped expecting government to engineer "equal outcomes" for all.

And lofty aspirations and slogans are no substitute for competent leadership, as illustrated by the ongoing decline of FCPS.

+1 I don't have a kid at TJ but I am so sick of seeing achievement swept under the rug. Honor rolls used to be celebrated with an assembly or announcement. Now certificates, if they give one, is just dropped on kids' desks. This was happening prior to covid. What's wrong with letting those know they're doing great and to keep on going?

I hear they want to do away with NHS sashes at graduation. Is this true?

There are more than 100 kids got into the semifinalist, and another 200+ kids got the commended honor, we are talking about 400+ kids in the whole grade. My kid got one of these awards, I am totally fine without any formal celebration, I think most of TJ parents I know shared the same view, except those who do not have any kids in TJ!

[Anonymous]

No good comes from forcing diversity.

Funny how Asians thrive at standardized testing, and a certain other group calls them culturally biased!

For the life of me I never could figure out what’s biased about Math, Science and English.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Equal outcomes for every student without exception” is an impossible goal. Some are smarter, some more athletic, some artistic, some work harder.

That was a terrible thing to do to the students who earned their award.

I agree. I am disgusted to hear “equal outcome for every student without exception.” It’s not only ridiculous it’s evil. When the former superintendent proposed a “merit lottery” for TJ’s admission process, I thought the stupidity would never be surpassed, I was wrong. Now we’ll have “equal outcome” for our kids. Does anyone here expect “equal outcome” for your own kids?

It's not "evil." It's a goal. It's rhetorical. It's aspirational.

Anyone who thinks in terms of that somehow costing their own child something is just a despicable piece of human garbage. Imagine being told this and your first concern is "WHAT ABOUT *MY* CHILD? *MY* CHILD IS SPECIAL."

I mean, that's such a twisted and diseased way of thinking.

DP, but we'd be better off if more people took care of their own kids first and stopped expecting government to engineer "equal outcomes" for all.

And lofty aspirations and slogans are no substitute for competent leadership, as illustrated by the ongoing decline of FCPS.

+1 I don't have a kid at TJ but I am so sick of seeing achievement swept under the rug. Honor rolls used to be celebrated with an assembly or announcement. Now certificates, if they give one, is just dropped on kids' desks. This was happening prior to covid. What's wrong with letting those know they're doing great and to keep on going?

I hear they want to do away with NHS sashes at graduation. Is this true?

The important detail here is that you don’t have a kid at TJ. It’s a whole different world over there. Pretty much every student at TJ would qualify for the honor roll, so there isn’t one. Almost the entire senior class got National Merit awards, so it wouldn’t make sense to hold a big celebration because at that point you’re just celebrating everyone (minus the small group of people who didn’t get any awards). The achievement isn’t focused on as heavily over there because by TJ standards, that’s just normal.

[Anonymous]

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WHY did TJ withhold that information from the students?

Jeez even the highly slanted press articles on this have shared that the info was not "withheld" as in kept in secret from the kids. Simply put someone accidentally messed up. Rather than handing out the certificates that go to the kids as they usually do, sounds like they got left on someone's desk and overlooked for a few weeks until TJ realized that was the case and then distributed them to the kids.

As for why they don't trumpet this...someone posted the stats on the other thread but for this specific school, it would be a strong majority of the class, thereby putting a focus more on who DIDN'T get it by virtue of the fact that such a huge % of the kids did get it or one of the higher honors.

Also - it frankly sounds like for a typical TJ student this commended award is not a big deal and not likely to have been one of the limited 5 awards they would cite on their applications. For some it was but it's not a secrecy fiasco; it's an unfortunately oversight that was a mistake, the timing of which created issues for some - not all - of the kids that got them. TJ's been communicating the commended award to colleges though to ensure it's taken into account with the application if a student wants it to be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Equal outcomes for every student without exception” is an impossible goal. Some are smarter, some more athletic, some artistic, some work harder.

That was a terrible thing to do to the students who earned their award.

I agree. I am disgusted to hear “equal outcome for every student without exception.” It’s not only ridiculous it’s evil. When the former superintendent proposed a “merit lottery” for TJ’s admission process, I thought the stupidity would never be surpassed, I was wrong. Now we’ll have “equal outcome” for our kids. Does anyone here expect “equal outcome” for your own kids?

It's not "evil." It's a goal. It's rhetorical. It's aspirational.

Anyone who thinks in terms of that somehow costing their own child something is just a despicable piece of human garbage. Imagine being told this and your first concern is "WHAT ABOUT *MY* CHILD? *MY* CHILD IS SPECIAL."

I mean, that's such a twisted and diseased way of thinking.

DP, but we'd be better off if more people took care of their own kids first and stopped expecting government to engineer "equal outcomes" for all.

And lofty aspirations and slogans are no substitute for competent leadership, as illustrated by the ongoing decline of FCPS.

+1 I don't have a kid at TJ but I am so sick of seeing achievement swept under the rug. Honor rolls used to be celebrated with an assembly or announcement. Now certificates, if they give one, is just dropped on kids' desks. This was happening prior to covid. What's wrong with letting those know they're doing great and to keep on going?

I hear they want to do away with NHS sashes at graduation. Is this true?

The important detail here is that you don’t have a kid at TJ. It’s a whole different world over there. Pretty much every student at TJ would qualify for the honor roll, so there isn’t one. Almost the entire senior class got National Merit awards, so it wouldn’t make sense to hold a big celebration because at that point you’re just celebrating everyone (minus the small group of people who didn’t get any awards). The achievement isn’t focused on as heavily over there because by TJ standards, that’s just normal.

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Well put. TJ deals with different challenges than a typical HS. Toning down the anxiety over competition and comparison at TJ is a good thing.

[Anonymous]

Some time back we had a kid at Longfellow (this was when Carole Kihm, not Jim Patrick, was principal) and used to get the monthly or bi-weekly school bulletin. For a while, it seemed like every edition just featured the academic or musical accomplishments of the Asian kids (many bound for TJ).

I think some people complained about the seemingly narrow focus, because they started to recognize other students for things like good citizenship and community service in the newsletters. They didn't stop recognizing the mostly Asian kids for their academic success; they just found additional things to celebrate.

I know that sounds a bit like "participation trophies for everyone," but to me it seems like a better approach than just ignoring the accomplishments of the top academic kids. They ought to be looking for a way to highlight more kids, not pretend they are all equal or that their feelings will be hurt if they didn't get a particular honor.

[Anonymous]

I don't like Youngkin one bit and I'm as liberal as the come, but everyone doesn't have equal intelligence or IQ and to punish those who do excel is WRONG.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Great job to Gov. Youngkin for stepping up for the students.

Heads are going to roll when the investigation is complete, and the school administrators involved in this scheme will be out of jobs for what they did.

keep dreaming

How many prosecutors do you see doing press conferences for cases they don't think they would win?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Equal outcomes for every student without exception” is an impossible goal. Some are smarter, some more athletic, some artistic, some work harder.

That was a terrible thing to do to the students who earned their award.

I agree. I am disgusted to hear “equal outcome for every student without exception.” It’s not only ridiculous it’s evil. When the former superintendent proposed a “merit lottery” for TJ’s admission process, I thought the stupidity would never be surpassed, I was wrong. Now we’ll have “equal outcome” for our kids. Does anyone here expect “equal outcome” for your own kids?

It's not "evil." It's a goal. It's rhetorical. It's aspirational.

Anyone who thinks in terms of that somehow costing their own child something is just a despicable piece of human garbage. Imagine being told this and your first concern is "WHAT ABOUT *MY* CHILD? *MY* CHILD IS SPECIAL."

I mean, that's such a twisted and diseased way of thinking.

DP, but we'd be better off if more people took care of their own kids first and stopped expecting government to engineer "equal outcomes" for all.

And lofty aspirations and slogans are no substitute for competent leadership, as illustrated by the ongoing decline of FCPS.

+1 I don't have a kid at TJ but I am so sick of seeing achievement swept under the rug. Honor rolls used to be celebrated with an assembly or announcement. Now certificates, if they give one, is just dropped on kids' desks. This was happening prior to covid. What's wrong with letting those know they're doing great and to keep on going?

I hear they want to do away with NHS sashes at graduation. Is this true?

They stopped doing assemblies for National Merit Achievements at TJ because no one came and it was a waste of time, energy and resources.

Just about every single TJ alum who engages with this story is:

1) Furious at TJ at the start because they mistakenly think that we're talking about Semifinalists

2) Annoyed at Asra once they realize that the status in question is one that no one at TJ cares about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some time back we had a kid at Longfellow (this was when Carole Kihm, not Jim Patrick, was principal) and used to get the monthly or bi-weekly school bulletin. For a while, it seemed like every edition just featured the academic or musical accomplishments of the Asian kids (many bound for TJ).

I think some people complained about the seemingly narrow focus, because they started to recognize other students for things like good citizenship and community service in the newsletters. They didn't stop recognizing the mostly Asian kids for their academic success; they just found additional things to celebrate.

I know that sounds a bit like "participation trophies for everyone," but to me it seems like a better approach than just ignoring the accomplishments of the top academic kids. They ought to be looking for a way to highlight more kids, not pretend they are all equal or that their feelings will be hurt if they didn't get a particular honor.

The top academic kids got notified and celebrated. It's the bottom ones that didn't. That's why this is in no way, shape, or form a "war on merit".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Imagine holding back sports scholarships from black kids because not enough Asians get them?

Liar. Nobody “held back scholarships” from Asian kids. Or any kids.

[Anonymous]

I wonder if any AOs are watching this mess play out and thinking that they want nothing to do with anyone coming from the TJ dumpster fire