Grand Jury report on LCPS sexual assault cases is unsealed

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Anonymous wrote:A teacher walked into the bathroom during the assault, saw the two feet under the door, and walked out, doing nothing. Aces.

That teacher will never experience a moment of peace again after knowing what happened to that poor girl.

I'm not sure that the kind of person who would walk out and do nothing would have those feelings.

Let me provide an alternative viewpoint of why this might’ve happened:

Teacher walks in. Sees two sets of feet in a stall. Surprise surprise, kids are in a stall together. This happens ALL THE TIME. Am I as the teacher going to intervene and try to get in that stall? No. What I AM going to do is leave and go find admin/school security because it’s their job to deal with those kinds of infractions. Given the interaction BEGAN consensually, the teacher likely had no idea it was going to turn into rape. Nothing may have been occurring at all when she walked in. As much as you might want to believe that students rarely meet in the bathroom to hook up or do drugs, that isn’t true: it’s incredibly common. She didn’t knowingly walk out on a rape - she walked out to probably go tell admin to deal with two students in the stall doing who knows what.

This is where we differ. If I walk in and see this, it doesn’t matter how often it happens. You make the students exit the stall - you saw it, you do something about it. Take photos of the feet if you have to. Put your phone on audio record. Then when the administration comes after you (which they probably will since they are cowards), you have things documented and you go straight to the media with a lawyer.

A school principal in Colorado named Bass was arrested for doing something like this, accused of possessing child pornography. He wanted to make sure students couldn't delete evidence on their phones by logging in to their account from another device.

As mentioned earlier, no teacher is risking their job. Walk out and ignore is what 50% would do, the other half would say “back to class.” No one is taking pictures.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A teacher walked into the bathroom during the assault, saw the two feet under the door, and walked out, doing nothing. Aces.

That teacher will never experience a moment of peace again after knowing what happened to that poor girl.

I'm not sure that the kind of person who would walk out and do nothing would have those feelings.

Let me provide an alternative viewpoint of why this might’ve happened:

Teacher walks in. Sees two sets of feet in a stall. Surprise surprise, kids are in a stall together. This happens ALL THE TIME. Am I as the teacher going to intervene and try to get in that stall? No. What I AM going to do is leave and go find admin/school security because it’s their job to deal with those kinds of infractions. Given the interaction BEGAN consensually, the teacher likely had no idea it was going to turn into rape. Nothing may have been occurring at all when she walked in. As much as you might want to believe that students rarely meet in the bathroom to hook up or do drugs, that isn’t true: it’s incredibly common. She didn’t knowingly walk out on a rape - she walked out to probably go tell admin to deal with two students in the stall doing who knows what.

This is where we differ. If I walk in and see this, it doesn’t matter how often it happens. You make the students exit the stall - you saw it, you do something about it. Take photos of the feet if you have to. Put your phone on audio record. Then when the administration comes after you (which they probably will since they are cowards), you have things documented and you go straight to the media with a lawyer.

A school principal in Colorado named Bass was arrested for doing something like this, accused of possessing child pornography. He wanted to make sure students couldn't delete evidence on their phones by logging in to their account from another device.

As mentioned earlier, no teacher is risking their job. Walk out and ignore is what 50% would do, the other half would say “back to class.” No one is taking pictures.

Y’all don’t even get it. It isn’t about risking our jobs. There are ASSAULT charges we can face if we try to intervene in a physical altercation or interaction. Teacher probably assumed they were in the stall hooking up or doing drugs. Which to be fair- the female student HAD met with him consensually in the bathroom in the past so this wasn’t new or unusual behavior. She left to get a staff member who has the ability to break up that kind of interaction or force the stall lock or whatever. It’s like some of you seriously can’t grasp how legally vulnerable we are when working with KIDS. We can’t just go Rambo and bust down a stall door and drag kids out because we see two legs in the stall. She didn’t know an assault was imminent. She did know kids end up in stalls for lots of reasons all the time. BTW, this is a huge reason my principal doesn’t even want staff in or using the student restrooms. It puts both sides at so much risk .

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A teacher walked into the bathroom during the assault, saw the two feet under the door, and walked out, doing nothing. Aces.

That teacher will never experience a moment of peace again after knowing what happened to that poor girl.

I'm not sure that the kind of person who would walk out and do nothing would have those feelings.

Let me provide an alternative viewpoint of why this might’ve happened:

Teacher walks in. Sees two sets of feet in a stall. Surprise surprise, kids are in a stall together. This happens ALL THE TIME. Am I as the teacher going to intervene and try to get in that stall? No. What I AM going to do is leave and go find admin/school security because it’s their job to deal with those kinds of infractions. Given the interaction BEGAN consensually, the teacher likely had no idea it was going to turn into rape. Nothing may have been occurring at all when she walked in. As much as you might want to believe that students rarely meet in the bathroom to hook up or do drugs, that isn’t true: it’s incredibly common. She didn’t knowingly walk out on a rape - she walked out to probably go tell admin to deal with two students in the stall doing who knows what.

This is where we differ. If I walk in and see this, it doesn’t matter how often it happens. You make the students exit the stall - you saw it, you do something about it. Take photos of the feet if you have to. Put your phone on audio record. Then when the administration comes after you (which they probably will since they are cowards), you have things documented and you go straight to the media with a lawyer.

A school principal in Colorado named Bass was arrested for doing something like this, accused of possessing child pornography. He wanted to make sure students couldn't delete evidence on their phones by logging in to their account from another device.

As mentioned earlier, no teacher is risking their job. Walk out and ignore is what 50% would do, the other half would say “back to class.” No one is taking pictures.

Y’all don’t even get it. It isn’t about risking our jobs. There are ASSAULT charges we can face if we try to intervene in a physical altercation or interaction. Teacher probably assumed they were in the stall hooking up or doing drugs. Which to be fair- the female student HAD met with him consensually in the bathroom in the past so this wasn’t new or unusual behavior. She left to get a staff member who has the ability to break up that kind of interaction or force the stall lock or whatever. It’s like some of you seriously can’t grasp how legally vulnerable we are when working with KIDS. We can’t just go Rambo and bust down a stall door and drag kids out because we see two legs in the stall. She didn’t know an assault was imminent. She did know kids end up in stalls for lots of reasons all the time. BTW, this is a huge reason my principal doesn’t even want staff in or using the student restrooms. It puts both sides at so much risk .

For the millionth time NO ONE asked the teacher to physically separate the kids. Enough with your hyperbole. But what SHOULD have happened was the teacher to say GET OUT OF THERE NOW.

And no one has confirmed that the teacher did in fact get school security or the admin. If that is in the report, post the page number. Otherwise your making up information to support this teacher having done NOTHING.

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Anonymous wrote:A teacher walked into the bathroom during the assault, saw the two feet under the door, and walked out, doing nothing. Aces.

That teacher will never experience a moment of peace again after knowing what happened to that poor girl.

I'm not sure that the kind of person who would walk out and do nothing would have those feelings.

Let me provide an alternative viewpoint of why this might’ve happened:

Teacher walks in. Sees two sets of feet in a stall. Surprise surprise, kids are in a stall together. This happens ALL THE TIME. Am I as the teacher going to intervene and try to get in that stall? No. What I AM going to do is leave and go find admin/school security because it’s their job to deal with those kinds of infractions. Given the interaction BEGAN consensually, the teacher likely had no idea it was going to turn into rape. Nothing may have been occurring at all when she walked in. As much as you might want to believe that students rarely meet in the bathroom to hook up or do drugs, that isn’t true: it’s incredibly common. She didn’t knowingly walk out on a rape - she walked out to probably go tell admin to deal with two students in the stall doing who knows what.

This is where we differ. If I walk in and see this, it doesn’t matter how often it happens. You make the students exit the stall - you saw it, you do something about it. Take photos of the feet if you have to. Put your phone on audio record. Then when the administration comes after you (which they probably will since they are cowards), you have things documented and you go straight to the media with a lawyer.

A school principal in Colorado named Bass was arrested for doing something like this, accused of possessing child pornography. He wanted to make sure students couldn't delete evidence on their phones by logging in to their account from another device.

As mentioned earlier, no teacher is risking their job. Walk out and ignore is what 50% would do, the other half would say “back to class.” No one is taking pictures.

Y’all don’t even get it. It isn’t about risking our jobs. There are ASSAULT charges we can face if we try to intervene in a physical altercation or interaction. Teacher probably assumed they were in the stall hooking up or doing drugs. Which to be fair- the female student HAD met with him consensually in the bathroom in the past so this wasn’t new or unusual behavior. She left to get a staff member who has the ability to break up that kind of interaction or force the stall lock or whatever. It’s like some of you seriously can’t grasp how legally vulnerable we are when working with KIDS. We can’t just go Rambo and bust down a stall door and drag kids out because we see two legs in the stall. She didn’t know an assault was imminent. She did know kids end up in stalls for lots of reasons all the time. BTW, this is a huge reason my principal doesn’t even want staff in or using the student restrooms. It puts both sides at so much risk .

For the millionth time NO ONE asked the teacher to physically separate the kids. Enough with your hyperbole. But what SHOULD have happened was the teacher to say GET OUT OF THERE NOW.

And no one has confirmed that the teacher did in fact get school security or the admin. If that is in the report, post the page number. Otherwise your making up information to support this teacher having done NOTHING.

No sure, you just go ahead and persist with your illogical need to pretend a teacher could tell a rape was happening and just left and did nothing because they didn’t care. Easier to make up a villain than have any critical thinking skills.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A teacher walked into the bathroom during the assault, saw the two feet under the door, and walked out, doing nothing. Aces.

That teacher will never experience a moment of peace again after knowing what happened to that poor girl.

I'm not sure that the kind of person who would walk out and do nothing would have those feelings.

Let me provide an alternative viewpoint of why this might’ve happened:

Teacher walks in. Sees two sets of feet in a stall. Surprise surprise, kids are in a stall together. This happens ALL THE TIME. Am I as the teacher going to intervene and try to get in that stall? No. What I AM going to do is leave and go find admin/school security because it’s their job to deal with those kinds of infractions. Given the interaction BEGAN consensually, the teacher likely had no idea it was going to turn into rape. Nothing may have been occurring at all when she walked in. As much as you might want to believe that students rarely meet in the bathroom to hook up or do drugs, that isn’t true: it’s incredibly common. She didn’t knowingly walk out on a rape - she walked out to probably go tell admin to deal with two students in the stall doing who knows what.

This is where we differ. If I walk in and see this, it doesn’t matter how often it happens. You make the students exit the stall - you saw it, you do something about it. Take photos of the feet if you have to. Put your phone on audio record. Then when the administration comes after you (which they probably will since they are cowards), you have things documented and you go straight to the media with a lawyer.

A school principal in Colorado named Bass was arrested for doing something like this, accused of possessing child pornography. He wanted to make sure students couldn't delete evidence on their phones by logging in to their account from another device.

As mentioned earlier, no teacher is risking their job. Walk out and ignore is what 50% would do, the other half would say “back to class.” No one is taking pictures.

Y’all don’t even get it. It isn’t about risking our jobs. There are ASSAULT charges we can face if we try to intervene in a physical altercation or interaction. Teacher probably assumed they were in the stall hooking up or doing drugs. Which to be fair- the female student HAD met with him consensually in the bathroom in the past so this wasn’t new or unusual behavior. She left to get a staff member who has the ability to break up that kind of interaction or force the stall lock or whatever. It’s like some of you seriously can’t grasp how legally vulnerable we are when working with KIDS. We can’t just go Rambo and bust down a stall door and drag kids out because we see two legs in the stall. She didn’t know an assault was imminent. She did know kids end up in stalls for lots of reasons all the time. BTW, this is a huge reason my principal doesn’t even want staff in or using the student restrooms. It puts both sides at so much risk .

For the millionth time NO ONE asked the teacher to physically separate the kids. Enough with your hyperbole. But what SHOULD have happened was the teacher to say GET OUT OF THERE NOW.

And no one has confirmed that the teacher did in fact get school security or the admin. If that is in the report, post the page number. Otherwise your making up information to support this teacher having done NOTHING.

No sure, you just go ahead and persist with your illogical need to pretend a teacher could tell a rape was happening and just left and did nothing because they didn’t care. Easier to make up a villain than have any critical thinking skills.

The only one making things up is you. No one has said the teacher knew a rape was happening. But what she did know is 4 feet were in one stall. Which is inappropriate and she absolutely should have said something in the moment to the two people in the stall.

You defense of this is truly horrible. Enjoy your sled to hell.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Sounds like the whole School Board needs to go. And, the legal counsel for LCPS.

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You know quoting/sharing Ian prior makes you insane, right?

Instead of attacking the messenger, try refuting some of the facts he has listed.

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https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/special-grand-jury-indicts-ex-loudoun-schools-superintendent-public-information-officer/article_bbe2e576-7a41-11ed-b2f3-e72fafa020e0.html?utm_source=insidenova.com&utm_campaign=%2Fnewsletters%2Fbreaking-news%2F%3F-dc%3D1670868257&utm_medium=email&utm_content=headline

“It happened after multiple people, including the assailant’s own mother and grandmother, warned law enforcement about the then 15-year-old boy.”

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I’m not sure these criminal charges will stick. And the public information officer charged with perjury? It seems very politically motivated by Youngkin/Miyares. Guess we’ll see.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure these criminal charges will stick. And the public information officer charged with perjury? It seems very politically motivated by Youngkin/Miyares. Guess we’ll see.

Agree. And will make the next guy's job that much harder (and finding him/her).

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure these criminal charges will stick. And the public information officer charged with perjury? It seems very politically motivated by Youngkin/Miyares. Guess we’ll see.

Agree. And will make the next guy's job that much harder (and finding him/her).

Between attacks on teachers and now criminal charges against school administrators, who on earth would want to work in the VA public education system right now? It’s all part of Youngkin’s strategy to dismantle public schools and privatize education.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A teacher walked into the bathroom during the assault, saw the two feet under the door, and walked out, doing nothing. Aces.

That teacher will never experience a moment of peace again after knowing what happened to that poor girl.

I'm not sure that the kind of person who would walk out and do nothing would have those feelings.

Let me provide an alternative viewpoint of why this might’ve happened:

Teacher walks in. Sees two sets of feet in a stall. Surprise surprise, kids are in a stall together. This happens ALL THE TIME. Am I as the teacher going to intervene and try to get in that stall? No. What I AM going to do is leave and go find admin/school security because it’s their job to deal with those kinds of infractions. Given the interaction BEGAN consensually, the teacher likely had no idea it was going to turn into rape. Nothing may have been occurring at all when she walked in. As much as you might want to believe that students rarely meet in the bathroom to hook up or do drugs, that isn’t true: it’s incredibly common. She didn’t knowingly walk out on a rape - she walked out to probably go tell admin to deal with two students in the stall doing who knows what.

PP here. I have worked in several different school systems as a special education teacher, school psychologist and administrator for many years -- elementary through high school. What you've described is not happening in well run schools with dedicated professionals. If it's true where you work, then I can see why the public would be highly critical of your school system. And, no, I would NOT just walk out and say nothing.

When is the last time you worked in a school because I PROMISE you the game has changed since Covid. Yup, even in the “good schools.” You don’t have a clue if you haven’t been teaching IN a school since before March 2020. Not a clue.

PP here. I'm retired and part time. Still in schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure these criminal charges will stick. And the public information officer charged with perjury? It seems very politically motivated by Youngkin/Miyares. Guess we’ll see.

If Wayde lied to the grand jury, why shouldn’t he be indicted?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure these criminal charges will stick. And the public information officer charged with perjury? It seems very politically motivated by Youngkin/Miyares. Guess we’ll see.

If Wayde lied to the grand jury, why shouldn’t he be indicted?

Perjury is harder to prove at trial than it may seem. It also depends what the lie was. Does anyone have a link to the indictment?

“Perjury occurs if the person knowingly swears falsely about a material matter or thing while under a lawfully administered oath.”

The government has lost or abandoned perjury cases when they can’t prove sufficiently the false statement was knowing and a material fact.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure these criminal charges will stick. And the public information officer charged with perjury? It seems very politically motivated by Youngkin/Miyares. Guess we’ll see.

If Wayde lied to the grand jury, why shouldn’t he be indicted?

Perjury is harder to prove at trial than it may seem. It also depends what the lie was. Does anyone have a link to the indictment?

“Perjury occurs if the person knowingly swears falsely about a material matter or thing while under a lawfully administered oath.”

The government has lost or abandoned perjury cases when they can’t prove sufficiently the false statement was knowing and a material fact.

It’s up to the prosecution to make their case. But there’s no reason that Zigler and Bayrd shouldn’t have been indicted if the grand jury believed their was evidence to do so.

LCPS covered up the original crime which led to a second one. Those involved should absolutely be held criminally responsible.