UPenn Law Professor Amy Wax: US "better off with fewer Asians and less Asian immigration"

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Anonymous wrote:Yep. Asian Americans are in an uncomfortable position.

Harvard and all the elite schools heavily discriminate against Asian Americans, and Harvard even goes as far to say it's because Asian Americans have no personality. All the ending of gifted and talented programs and schools like Thomas Jefferson disproportionately affect Asian Americans and South Asians. And once you do finally get your degrees and apply, you're told you're not diverse enough for the DEI committees who'd rather hire a less qualified person of a different race because, at the end of the day, Asians really don't count as people of color.

Work hard, study hard, start businesses, get ahead in life = you're now all told it's just white supremacy. Meritocracy apparently is racist

You stretch yourself to buy a house in a top rated school district only to be rezoned for a lower ranked school in the name of equity, and when you protest, you're accused of white supremacy.

Most of the Asian-American hate crimes were committed by non-whites, but that apparently doesn't matter. It's still white supremacy.

So what do you do: keep voting for the Democrats, who are the face of the woke progressive left and keep enforcing these double standards on the Asian Americans.

Which, I suppose, is Amy Wax's point. If Asian Americans aren't willing to stand up for themselves, then what's the point in having more Asian Americans to blindly vote for the political party that judges and belittles and sneers at them at every possible opportunity while grabbing all their votes?

The Republicans are just less hypocritical than the Democrats because the Democrats don't practice what they preach while the Republicans are fairly consistent on one thing: curbing immigration.

I'm asian and I agree with this.

The republicans are consistent on another thing: white supremacy.

Enjoy that - I’m sure it’ll work out great for ya!

Exactly what “white supremacy” are you talking about?

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Anonymous wrote:Which, I suppose, is Amy Wax's point. If Asian Americans aren't willing to stand up for themselves, then what's the point in having more Asian Americans to blindly vote for the political party that judges and belittles and sneers at them at every possible opportunity while grabbing all their votes?

It is interesting that someone can publicly argue that the US should have fewer Asians, a clearly bigoted opinion, yet find support among some posters here. What makes you think that Asian Americans aren't standing up for themselves? Why do you believe they are blinding voting? Maybe they are better informed than you and you are the one who is blinded? At any rate, when you find yourself agreeing with an objectively bigoted position, you probably want to ask yourself where you went wrong.

I could not agree more.

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Anonymous wrote:Asian citizens are kidding themselves if they think they aren't included in the various POC conservatives want out of the US. It's a big reason most of my family (not me) is conservative.

+1 You’re not White, you will never be White. White supremacy applies to you, too, guys. White supremacy was set up to favor Whites, end of story. Not model Asians, not anyone else. You will never be accepted in the club any more than White women are in the club - a token, here or there, but not of the club.

Given in the recent VA election, Rs elected a white man, a black woman, and a Cuban man, I don’t know how these statements can hold. They were highly supported by conservatives.

That doesn’t mean they wouldn’t throw them under the bus in a heartbeat. It doesn’t mean they’re in the club. Diamond and Silk are also highly supported by conservatives; it doesn’t mean they think those two women are people entitled to full rights. But hey if Republican minorities feel that the practices of the GOP are acceptable and want to let themselves be used, they’re welcome to throw away their votes.

I still don't get this idea that Asian Republicans are being "used". How exactly am I being used, as an Asian American who is also a Republican? My fellow republicans are fighting to protect the ideals of classical liberalism - not all of them, but most. They are also trying to fight against the systemic racist policy that is Affirmative Action. They are trying to implement merit-based immigration, which will help fellow Asians - such as the wonderful student we hosted over Christmas who ponders what his life would be if he did not get a spot in the lottery. He is studying data analytics and would love to apply his abilities in the US than back in Asia. It was such a difficult conversation to have with him, to sense the genuine desire, the ability to do good in society, but can't because of the luck of the draw.

On the other side, we have people like Ted Liu who has stated "I support affirmative action. I also support the use of race in college admissions."

Gee, such a tough choice.

Gee, you are blind to your own words.

You don't embrace or agree with every R or their policies, but you think ALL Dems agree with ALL Dem policies? I stated upthread, CA passed Prop 209. Do you know what that is? A liberal state passed a law that prevented universities there from using race as a factor. So, you see, not all liberals agree with affirmative action.

Tell your friend who ponders what his life would be like if he doesn't get in by lottery that he'll figure it out as milions of other people do. The former first lady came here on an HlB as "extraordinary talent" -- snort. Gimme a break. Like the US doesn't have enough models so we had to import them? There are thousands of other would be models around the world who would love an HlB visa to the US. Why shouldn't they have gotten one instead of Melania, who isn't even all that great looking and only modeled in catalogs and men's magazine in soft porn photos.

My family came here via family connections, as did thousands upon thousands of others, white, black, brown, etc.. I suppose to you that should never have happened, right?

Most Asian Americans realize that the R party today aren't supportive of Asian immigrants, nor are they really all that supportive of Asian Americans in general. They only seem to support merit based immigration as a way to exclude certain demographics. As Trump stated, why can't we import more Norwegians rather than people from sh1thole countrles? You think he wants more Chinese or Indians? Sure, he wants rich people because he's an elitist. He doesn't want an HlB Chinese or Indian tech worker, that's for sure.

You are being used as a patsy. Do you know what that means? You are convient for them when they want your support, but once they get what they want, they will turn on you.

We saw Trump do the same thing to people who supported him but didn't agree with everything he said or did. He would turn on them in a heartbeat. That's how Rs operate now.

Do you think the vast majority of Asian Americans are blind and dumb to vote Dem, and only the select few like you are smart and see the light and so you vote R? Ok, sure. If that makes you feel better.

Stop making stuff up. I never said that. I applaud CA's ban on affirmative action but they tried to repeal it and failed. It was on the ballot. And none of this change the fact that affirmative action is alive and well supported in other areas of the county, backed by Democrats who spend money defending it in court, with the support of Asian politicians like Ted Liu. This is sickening. They are racist and proud of it. Not all Democrats, but it is a broadly supported position among Democrats.

You keep ignoring facts placed right in front of you, and just go on repeating the same tired biased opinions based on your personal feelings. I am not going to repeat myself for your benefit. Enjoy supporting affirmative action.

yes, the repeal of 209 failed because LIBERALs didn't want to overturn it.

You also ignore facts placed right in front of you, my friend. You ignored everything I wrote about, and even your response to 209 repeal shows that not all liberals support affirmative action.

You are in the minority right now. Majority of Asian Americans, even the educated ones, don't support Rs these days. Maybe if they swing back to the moderate days Asian Americans might go back. Of course, if the Dem party swings way too left, you might see more Asian Americans becoming Independent and voting whoever is the least extreme.

For the last time, I never said all lierals support Affirmative Action. Learn English, it's not that hard.

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Anonymous wrote:Asian citizens are kidding themselves if they think they aren't included in the various POC conservatives want out of the US. It's a big reason most of my family (not me) is conservative.

+1 You’re not White, you will never be White. White supremacy applies to you, too, guys. White supremacy was set up to favor Whites, end of story. Not model Asians, not anyone else. You will never be accepted in the club any more than White women are in the club - a token, here or there, but not of the club.

Given in the recent VA election, Rs elected a white man, a black woman, and a Cuban man, I don’t know how these statements can hold. They were highly supported by conservatives.

That doesn’t mean they wouldn’t throw them under the bus in a heartbeat. It doesn’t mean they’re in the club. Diamond and Silk are also highly supported by conservatives; it doesn’t mean they think those two women are people entitled to full rights. But hey if Republican minorities feel that the practices of the GOP are acceptable and want to let themselves be used, they’re welcome to throw away their votes.

I still don't get this idea that Asian Republicans are being "used". How exactly am I being used, as an Asian American who is also a Republican? My fellow republicans are fighting to protect the ideals of classical liberalism - not all of them, but most. They are also trying to fight against the systemic racist policy that is Affirmative Action. They are trying to implement merit-based immigration, which will help fellow Asians - such as the wonderful student we hosted over Christmas who ponders what his life would be if he did not get a spot in the lottery. He is studying data analytics and would love to apply his abilities in the US than back in Asia. It was such a difficult conversation to have with him, to sense the genuine desire, the ability to do good in society, but can't because of the luck of the draw.

On the other side, we have people like Ted Liu who has stated "I support affirmative action. I also support the use of race in college admissions."

Gee, such a tough choice.

Hello! I have some oceanfront property in Utah you might be interested in.

Worthless brainless response with no content. Typical.

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Anonymous wrote:Again, when is the last time Democrats celebrated Asian American success? Democrats seem to want to punch Asians down and then tell them it's good for them.

I think that it is notable that the current Vice President -- a Democrat -- is half Asian. There are currently two US Senators of Asian heritage -- both Democrats. There are currently 16 House members of Asian decent, all but two of whom are Democrats. So, Democrats seem to be celebrating Asian Americans fairly well at the polls.

Jeff, these Asian politicians got there by taking advantage of the non-awareness of most Asians about politics. Ted Liu, for example, is joined by Hirono to openly says that they supports Affirmative Action, and for considering race in admissions. Both are open racist. It's a conundrum to me how Asians can support these politicians. The simplest explanation is to me is that most Asian voters simply don't know any better.

Just look at the arguments in this thread from my fellow Asians. No specific facts or rational logic. Just going on and on in circles about how Republicans are broadly racist without any evidence, pointing to anecdotes or small fringe minorities as examples. It's as if all of a sudden when it comes to politics, they forget how to math.

As for Kamala Harris, I have never felt a shred of connection with her as a person with Asian ancestry. She might have indicated her Asian ancestry in tweets or article quotes, but she certainly did not demonstrate any of it. None of her Asian experiences are her own, they are simply relays of stories from her relatives. As far as I can tell, she lived a typical African American life. There is nothing wrong with that, just stop claiming that she has a connection with me because her mom happen to be born on the same continent as me. Oh yea, Kamala harris also supports affirmative action, the very racist policy that discriminates against people with Asian ancestry. At least she can put down "Black" when she fills out her forms. Other Asians like my sons don't have that choice.

Shameful.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for sharing this Jeff.

I'm an Asian American who is also a Republican. I don't believe her views represent the mainstream in the Republican party. The existence of people like her doesn't change my preference for political positions aligned with classical liberalism, which currently is the Republican party. There are terrible people who call themselves Republicans and I am not going to abandon my values just because there are some bad people who hold abhorrent views also have these same values.

Can I just say...a party that doesn't cancel a President or any leadership that repeatedly stokes hate by referring to a 'K*ng Flu virus' or 'China virus' is one that represents the mainstream in the Republican party. You can't have it both ways, you either see this anti-Asian rhetoric solely in GOP leadership or you don't. Vote for them or don't. But don't complain when more anti-asian policies and rhetoric are espoused.

It's not having it both ways for me to support the parts of Republican party platform I agree with even though there are terrible people in the party. I'll note that Republican is the party that is trying to put in place a merit-based immigration system, one which will predominantly benefit Asian Americans. Democrats are fighting tooth and nail against such a merit-based system.

Republicans, led by Trump, are also the ones who put in place a complete and total visa ban, which predominantly discriminated against Asian Americans. I mean sure you can support the GOP just say you don't care if or when any racist policies come forth and are announced straight from the microphones at the White House and affect people who look like you.

I'm smart enough to know that the visa ban was done to limit international travel due to COVID. It was not aimed at Asians, Asians just felt a significant impact. The same could be said of professional sports game ban against African Americans, although it would be foolish to claim that such a ban was racist against AAs. The only real actual racist policy I know of are from Democrats who support affirmative action to discriminate against Asians based on the color of our skin. They defend this practice all the way to the supreme court.

Look, if you are so concerned about the welfare of Asian immigrants, join the Republicans in calling for merit-based immigration system, which will predominantly benefit south and east Asians.

Let's play this out. Let's say that the US implements a merit based system, which leads to a large up tick in Asian immigrants. Do you think she and the rest of the Rs would be happy about that? Sersiously? Asian Americans vote D. You think white Rs would want more Dems? They may talk about a "merit" system, but once that cat is out of the bag, they will try to find ways to limit Asian influence.

I'll say it again.. Rs are using Asian Americans as a convenience. They treat Asian Americans as a patsy, like the model minority myth.

Well, lets arrive at our decision based on facts. Republican party tried to get Affirmative Action banned, Democrats are protecting it in court. Republicans want a merit-based immigration system, which we all know will benefit Asians. Democrats wants to hold on to the lottery system in the name of diversity. I'd say that's pretty clear indication which party is better for Asians.

Nobody uses me unless I let them. I'm my own person with my own ideas. You can keep telling me that Republicans are anti-Asian but the evidence says otherwise. You have nothing to offer but fear.

You are letting Rs use you as a convenience simply by supporting Rs.

Why do you think 70% of uneducated white males are Rs?
Why do you think the more educated you are, the more you tend to vote Dem, which is also why this racist prof. wants to limit Asian immigration.
Why do the majority of Asian Americans vote Dem? CA voted to do away with affirmative action with Prop 209. Affirmative action in university admissions is not legal. Race can be one factor, but quotas and affirmative action are not legal. And yet, Asian Americans still vote Dem. Why is that?

People without a college degree are not the same as uneducated. It's elitist for you to believe otherwise. People become educated in a variety of ways, even modern elite institutions realize this. Yet there is this pervasive condescending attitude from the left that a piece of credential is the arbiter of who is educated. I will also point out that people with a college degree are in the minority, and that's including associate degrees which I suspect most Democrats wouldn't accept as a qualification for being "educated". Only about a third of the country has a Bachelors's degree, and the current ratio of female to male college enrollment is about 3:2. Given that women are predisposed to being liberal in their ideas, tend to get degrees in the arts which reinforce those left-leaning tendencies, it's simply a natural fact that the majority of those with a Bachelors's degree are going to be Democrats. But lest you think that Democrats somehow enjoy exclusivity among the educated, consider the fact that Pilots, Dentists, Surgeons are all professions that lean Republican. Are these people uneducated in your mind?

The reason why most Asians vote Democrat is that most Asians don't get involved in American politics. Most of us sit on the sidelines and observe. We are a people who don't complain much and usually take our challenges and roll with it rather than speak up. Due to this lack of engagement, most of us believe the claim by Democrats that Republicans are racists. Just as a normal person doesn't go around town shouting to everyone "I'm not a racist!", Republicans don't go around shouting that either. So the finger stabbing by the Democrats sticks. However, some Asians are waking up to the BS, and I see this in all Asian communities. Indians want a merit-based immigration system to clear the huge backlog they are facing. Chinese parents are angry about the Affirmative Action programs that discriminate against their kids, etc. I'm not saying that Asians are going to start voting Republican in the next election cycle, but every tide starts with a small ripple. I hope for my fellow Asian Americans to become more aware of their adoptive country, to be more engaged in the direction of our nation's politics because it's the only way that we can ensure that the efforts we've made to provide our children with a bright future is not wasted away.

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I’m confused. I thought Asians where American. So, why is it “American politics” as opposed to national politics? Many Asians have said that the foreigner trope has often been used for racist depictions, but your argument is relying on that premise in some way. While I think Wax has gone about it in a ham fisted way, and don’t always agree with her conclusion, all I took away from her article is that there are fundamental/underlying differences Asians exhibit. And based off your comments, that seems to be true. I think the real issue, is whether it is ultimately of any consequence or if thats a dog whistle. I think its a dog whistle.

Oh geez. National politics is a subset of American politics is it not? Asians also don't get involved in local politics. With Asians representing 20% of Fairfax County population, and with such a strong cultural view towards education, how many of the Fairfax County school board is Asian? So instead of saying three words "national and local", I just said American, which covers both national and local politics. Does this make sense or are you still confused?

The American way, when encountering political non-engagement, is not to just throw up your hands and say those people over there are not worth reaching out to. It's an opportunity to engage them and show them that they have a stake in the future of their country. Even if they don't believe that change will happen in their lifetimes, what about their kids and grandkids? I will say that there is a universal yearning for fairness, regardless of what cultural background you are from. Asians are starting to wake up to the blatantly racist policies that harm our community. I am disappointed that it's not happening faster, but at the same time, I am hopeful that it is finally happening. I can only hope that 20 years from now, when my kids describe the world to their kids, they won't have to explain to them how Affirmative Action works.

Thank you for so ably demonstrating the same ignorance that is plaguing Amy Wax. You think you understand someone better than they understand themselves. Instead of waiting for the answer, or engaging with those you don't understand, you jump to a conclusion that satisfies your own twisted view of that culture. We all have our incorrect and stereotypical views of people from other cultures. Some of us are just a little more aware of our own ignorance.

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As for Kamala Harris, I have never felt a shred of connection with her as a person with Asian ancestry. She might have indicated her Asian ancestry in tweets or article quotes, but she certainly did not demonstrate any of it. None of her Asian experiences are her own, they are simply relays of stories from her relatives. As far as I can tell, she lived a typical African American life. There is nothing wrong with that, just stop claiming that she has a connection with me because her mom happen to be born on the same continent as me. Oh yea, Kamala harris also supports affirmative action, the very racist policy that discriminates against people with Asian ancestry. At least she can put down "Black" when she fills out her forms. Other Asians like my sons don't have that choice.

Shameful.

Oh, Harris apparently is "not Asian enough" for you. Just like some used to argue that Obama "was not Black enough". That in itself is a pretty bigoted position to take. After her parents separated when she was 7, Harris was raised by her Indian mom. That is far from the "typical African American life".

Your almost total fixation on affirmative action is interesting and you almost make it the determining factor about whether someone is acceptable or not. Support for affirmative action is enough for you declare an Asian to be non-Asian or at least not worthy of consideration. That is a strange obsession and ignores that anyone -- Asian or otherwise -- might have perfectly valid reasons for supporting affirmative action.

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Anonymous wrote:Asian citizens are kidding themselves if they think they aren't included in the various POC conservatives want out of the US. It's a big reason most of my family (not me) is conservative.

+1 You’re not White, you will never be White. White supremacy applies to you, too, guys. White supremacy was set up to favor Whites, end of story. Not model Asians, not anyone else. You will never be accepted in the club any more than White women are in the club - a token, here or there, but not of the club.

Given in the recent VA election, Rs elected a white man, a black woman, and a Cuban man, I don’t know how these statements can hold. They were highly supported by conservatives.

That doesn’t mean they wouldn’t throw them under the bus in a heartbeat. It doesn’t mean they’re in the club. Diamond and Silk are also highly supported by conservatives; it doesn’t mean they think those two women are people entitled to full rights. But hey if Republican minorities feel that the practices of the GOP are acceptable and want to let themselves be used, they’re welcome to throw away their votes.

I still don't get this idea that Asian Republicans are being "used". How exactly am I being used, as an Asian American who is also a Republican? My fellow republicans are fighting to protect the ideals of classical liberalism - not all of them, but most. They are also trying to fight against the systemic racist policy that is Affirmative Action. They are trying to implement merit-based immigration, which will help fellow Asians - such as the wonderful student we hosted over Christmas who ponders what his life would be if he did not get a spot in the lottery. He is studying data analytics and would love to apply his abilities in the US than back in Asia. It was such a difficult conversation to have with him, to sense the genuine desire, the ability to do good in society, but can't because of the luck of the draw.

On the other side, we have people like Ted Liu who has stated "I support affirmative action. I also support the use of race in college admissions."

Gee, such a tough choice.

Hello! I have some oceanfront property in Utah you might be interested in.

Worthless brainless response with no content. Typical.

And yet, you felt the need to add a worthless and brainless retort. Seems like I struck a nerve by pointing out that only a rube would believe what you wrote!

Republicans don't fight for classical liberal ideals. That's a laughable assertion. Republicans fight for lower taxes, but primarily for the already-wealthy, hardly a goal of classical liberalism. Republicans fight for protectionist policies, and fought against the Trans Pacific Partnership for little reason other than Hillary Clinton supported it. Republicans love legislating their moral values - look no further than the GOP's bathroom bills, abortion restrictions, opposition to legalizing marijuana, opposition to transgender rights, opposition to gay rights, and so on. Republicans say they love a free market, but are quite happy to distort the market extend subsidies to companies and industries with whom they are politically aligned.

There. Much more thought out than the screed that your freshman year English teacher would be embarrassed to hear that you wrote. In the meantime, you might want to read the works of political philosophers like John Rawls, who did an excellent job squaring classical liberalism with the need to build institutions that are rational and foster a just society.

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yeah how dare Kamala claim she's Asian just bc she has an Asian mom.

WTF?!

I have an Asian mom and white Dad, but bc I was raised in the U.S. I can't claim my Asian side?

Ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:Asian citizens are kidding themselves if they think they aren't included in the various POC conservatives want out of the US. It's a big reason most of my family (not me) is conservative.

+1 You’re not White, you will never be White. White supremacy applies to you, too, guys. White supremacy was set up to favor Whites, end of story. Not model Asians, not anyone else. You will never be accepted in the club any more than White women are in the club - a token, here or there, but not of the club.

Given in the recent VA election, Rs elected a white man, a black woman, and a Cuban man, I don’t know how these statements can hold. They were highly supported by conservatives.

That doesn’t mean they wouldn’t throw them under the bus in a heartbeat. It doesn’t mean they’re in the club. Diamond and Silk are also highly supported by conservatives; it doesn’t mean they think those two women are people entitled to full rights. But hey if Republican minorities feel that the practices of the GOP are acceptable and want to let themselves be used, they’re welcome to throw away their votes.

I still don't get this idea that Asian Republicans are being "used". How exactly am I being used, as an Asian American who is also a Republican? My fellow republicans are fighting to protect the ideals of classical liberalism - not all of them, but most. They are also trying to fight against the systemic racist policy that is Affirmative Action. They are trying to implement merit-based immigration, which will help fellow Asians - such as the wonderful student we hosted over Christmas who ponders what his life would be if he did not get a spot in the lottery. He is studying data analytics and would love to apply his abilities in the US than back in Asia. It was such a difficult conversation to have with him, to sense the genuine desire, the ability to do good in society, but can't because of the luck of the draw.

On the other side, we have people like Ted Liu who has stated "I support affirmative action. I also support the use of race in college admissions."

Gee, such a tough choice.

Hello! I have some oceanfront property in Utah you might be interested in.

Worthless brainless response with no content. Typical.

And yet, you felt the need to add a worthless and brainless retort. Seems like I struck a nerve by pointing out that only a rube would believe what you wrote!

Republicans don't fight for classical liberal ideals. That's a laughable assertion. Republicans fight for lower taxes, but primarily for the already-wealthy, hardly a goal of classical liberalism. Republicans fight for protectionist policies, and fought against the Trans Pacific Partnership for little reason other than Hillary Clinton supported it. Republicans love legislating their moral values - look no further than the GOP's bathroom bills, abortion restrictions, opposition to legalizing marijuana, opposition to transgender rights, opposition to gay rights, and so on. Republicans say they love a free market, but are quite happy to distort the market extend subsidies to companies and industries with whom they are politically aligned.

There. Much more thought out than the screed that your freshman year English teacher would be embarrassed to hear that you wrote. In the meantime, you might want to read the works of political philosophers like John Rawls, who did an excellent job squaring classical liberalism with the need to build institutions that are rational and foster a just society.

Republicans fight for lower taxes overall. But because it's mostly the wealthy who are paying for most of our taxes, they tend to benefit more. Imagine if the country implemented a program to promote better health by reducing obesity, and you are there screaming on the sidelines "this only helps the fat people!" Yea, you are that guy. The rest of your "thoughts" are along this same vein, twisted misunderstandings and mischaracterizations of Republican positions. You should have just stayed silent instead of replying to remove all doubt.

John Rawls thought too much and did too little. His contention on the effects of egalitarian social policies and inequality was proven wrong. When a country is made more egalitarian, the inequalities increase, not decrease. Such is the potential folly of someone who relies too much on academic philosophy and too little on real-world human nature. But sure, you celebrate him all you want.

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Anonymous wrote:Asian citizens are kidding themselves if they think they aren't included in the various POC conservatives want out of the US. It's a big reason most of my family (not me) is conservative.

+1 You’re not White, you will never be White. White supremacy applies to you, too, guys. White supremacy was set up to favor Whites, end of story. Not model Asians, not anyone else. You will never be accepted in the club any more than White women are in the club - a token, here or there, but not of the club.

Given in the recent VA election, Rs elected a white man, a black woman, and a Cuban man, I don’t know how these statements can hold. They were highly supported by conservatives.

That doesn’t mean they wouldn’t throw them under the bus in a heartbeat. It doesn’t mean they’re in the club. Diamond and Silk are also highly supported by conservatives; it doesn’t mean they think those two women are people entitled to full rights. But hey if Republican minorities feel that the practices of the GOP are acceptable and want to let themselves be used, they’re welcome to throw away their votes.

I still don't get this idea that Asian Republicans are being "used". How exactly am I being used, as an Asian American who is also a Republican? My fellow republicans are fighting to protect the ideals of classical liberalism - not all of them, but most. They are also trying to fight against the systemic racist policy that is Affirmative Action. They are trying to implement merit-based immigration, which will help fellow Asians - such as the wonderful student we hosted over Christmas who ponders what his life would be if he did not get a spot in the lottery. He is studying data analytics and would love to apply his abilities in the US than back in Asia. It was such a difficult conversation to have with him, to sense the genuine desire, the ability to do good in society, but can't because of the luck of the draw.

On the other side, we have people like Ted Liu who has stated "I support affirmative action. I also support the use of race in college admissions."

Gee, such a tough choice.

Hello! I have some oceanfront property in Utah you might be interested in.

Worthless brainless response with no content. Typical.

And yet, you felt the need to add a worthless and brainless retort. Seems like I struck a nerve by pointing out that only a rube would believe what you wrote!

Republicans don't fight for classical liberal ideals. That's a laughable assertion. Republicans fight for lower taxes, but primarily for the already-wealthy, hardly a goal of classical liberalism. Republicans fight for protectionist policies, and fought against the Trans Pacific Partnership for little reason other than Hillary Clinton supported it. Republicans love legislating their moral values - look no further than the GOP's bathroom bills, abortion restrictions, opposition to legalizing marijuana, opposition to transgender rights, opposition to gay rights, and so on. Republicans say they love a free market, but are quite happy to distort the market extend subsidies to companies and industries with whom they are politically aligned.

There. Much more thought out than the screed that your freshman year English teacher would be embarrassed to hear that you wrote. In the meantime, you might want to read the works of political philosophers like John Rawls, who did an excellent job squaring classical liberalism with the need to build institutions that are rational and foster a just society.

Republicans fight for lower taxes overall. But because it's mostly the wealthy who are paying for most of our taxes, they tend to benefit more. Imagine if the country implemented a program to promote better health by reducing obesity, and you are there screaming on the sidelines "this only helps the fat people!" Yea, you are that guy. The rest of your "thoughts" are along this same vein, twisted misunderstandings and mischaracterizations of Republican positions. You should have just stayed silent instead of replying to remove all doubt.

John Rawls thought too much and did too little. His contention on the effects of egalitarian social policies and inequality was proven wrong. When a country is made more egalitarian, the inequalities increase, not decrease. Such is the potential folly of someone who relies too much on academic philosophy and too little on real-world human nature. But sure, you celebrate him all you want.

Well this reads like something pulled right out of 1984.

Hint - society exists in shades of grey. There is no perfectly "egalitarian" or "unequal" society. But right now so many of our institutions and facets of the economy are woefully inefficient at a societal level due to entrenched interests and political capture.

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Anonymous wrote:Asian citizens are kidding themselves if they think they aren't included in the various POC conservatives want out of the US. It's a big reason most of my family (not me) is conservative.

+1 You’re not White, you will never be White. White supremacy applies to you, too, guys. White supremacy was set up to favor Whites, end of story. Not model Asians, not anyone else. You will never be accepted in the club any more than White women are in the club - a token, here or there, but not of the club.

Given in the recent VA election, Rs elected a white man, a black woman, and a Cuban man, I don’t know how these statements can hold. They were highly supported by conservatives.

That doesn’t mean they wouldn’t throw them under the bus in a heartbeat. It doesn’t mean they’re in the club. Diamond and Silk are also highly supported by conservatives; it doesn’t mean they think those two women are people entitled to full rights. But hey if Republican minorities feel that the practices of the GOP are acceptable and want to let themselves be used, they’re welcome to throw away their votes.

I still don't get this idea that Asian Republicans are being "used". How exactly am I being used, as an Asian American who is also a Republican? My fellow republicans are fighting to protect the ideals of classical liberalism - not all of them, but most. They are also trying to fight against the systemic racist policy that is Affirmative Action. They are trying to implement merit-based immigration, which will help fellow Asians - such as the wonderful student we hosted over Christmas who ponders what his life would be if he did not get a spot in the lottery. He is studying data analytics and would love to apply his abilities in the US than back in Asia. It was such a difficult conversation to have with him, to sense the genuine desire, the ability to do good in society, but can't because of the luck of the draw.

On the other side, we have people like Ted Liu who has stated "I support affirmative action. I also support the use of race in college admissions."

Gee, such a tough choice.

Hello! I have some oceanfront property in Utah you might be interested in.

Worthless brainless response with no content. Typical.

And yet, you felt the need to add a worthless and brainless retort. Seems like I struck a nerve by pointing out that only a rube would believe what you wrote!

Republicans don't fight for classical liberal ideals. That's a laughable assertion. Republicans fight for lower taxes, but primarily for the already-wealthy, hardly a goal of classical liberalism. Republicans fight for protectionist policies, and fought against the Trans Pacific Partnership for little reason other than Hillary Clinton supported it. Republicans love legislating their moral values - look no further than the GOP's bathroom bills, abortion restrictions, opposition to legalizing marijuana, opposition to transgender rights, opposition to gay rights, and so on. Republicans say they love a free market, but are quite happy to distort the market extend subsidies to companies and industries with whom they are politically aligned.

There. Much more thought out than the screed that your freshman year English teacher would be embarrassed to hear that you wrote. In the meantime, you might want to read the works of political philosophers like John Rawls, who did an excellent job squaring classical liberalism with the need to build institutions that are rational and foster a just society.

Republicans fight for lower taxes overall. But because it's mostly the wealthy who are paying for most of our taxes, they tend to benefit more. Imagine if the country implemented a program to promote better health by reducing obesity, and you are there screaming on the sidelines "this only helps the fat people!" Yea, you are that guy. The rest of your "thoughts" are along this same vein, twisted misunderstandings and mischaracterizations of Republican positions. You should have just stayed silent instead of replying to remove all doubt.

John Rawls thought too much and did too little. His contention on the effects of egalitarian social policies and inequality was proven wrong. When a country is made more egalitarian, the inequalities increase, not decrease. Such is the potential folly of someone who relies too much on academic philosophy and too little on real-world human nature. But sure, you celebrate him all you want.

Well this reads like something pulled right out of 1984.

Hint - society exists in shades of grey. There is no perfectly "egalitarian" or "unequal" society. But right now so many of our institutions and facets of the economy are woefully inefficient at a societal level due to entrenched interests and political capture.

Well, which is why I said *MORE* egalitarian, and not "perfectly egalitarian" or just "egalitarian". If you don't trust me, then perhaps you trust Science:

https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/science.aas9899

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Anonymous wrote:Asian citizens are kidding themselves if they think they aren't included in the various POC conservatives want out of the US. It's a big reason most of my family (not me) is conservative.

+1 You’re not White, you will never be White. White supremacy applies to you, too, guys. White supremacy was set up to favor Whites, end of story. Not model Asians, not anyone else. You will never be accepted in the club any more than White women are in the club - a token, here or there, but not of the club.

Given in the recent VA election, Rs elected a white man, a black woman, and a Cuban man, I don’t know how these statements can hold. They were highly supported by conservatives.

That doesn’t mean they wouldn’t throw them under the bus in a heartbeat. It doesn’t mean they’re in the club. Diamond and Silk are also highly supported by conservatives; it doesn’t mean they think those two women are people entitled to full rights. But hey if Republican minorities feel that the practices of the GOP are acceptable and want to let themselves be used, they’re welcome to throw away their votes.

I still don't get this idea that Asian Republicans are being "used". How exactly am I being used, as an Asian American who is also a Republican? My fellow republicans are fighting to protect the ideals of classical liberalism - not all of them, but most. They are also trying to fight against the systemic racist policy that is Affirmative Action. They are trying to implement merit-based immigration, which will help fellow Asians - such as the wonderful student we hosted over Christmas who ponders what his life would be if he did not get a spot in the lottery. He is studying data analytics and would love to apply his abilities in the US than back in Asia. It was such a difficult conversation to have with him, to sense the genuine desire, the ability to do good in society, but can't because of the luck of the draw.

On the other side, we have people like Ted Liu who has stated "I support affirmative action. I also support the use of race in college admissions."

Gee, such a tough choice.

Hello! I have some oceanfront property in Utah you might be interested in.

Worthless brainless response with no content. Typical.

And yet, you felt the need to add a worthless and brainless retort. Seems like I struck a nerve by pointing out that only a rube would believe what you wrote!

Republicans don't fight for classical liberal ideals. That's a laughable assertion. Republicans fight for lower taxes, but primarily for the already-wealthy, hardly a goal of classical liberalism. Republicans fight for protectionist policies, and fought against the Trans Pacific Partnership for little reason other than Hillary Clinton supported it. Republicans love legislating their moral values - look no further than the GOP's bathroom bills, abortion restrictions, opposition to legalizing marijuana, opposition to transgender rights, opposition to gay rights, and so on. Republicans say they love a free market, but are quite happy to distort the market extend subsidies to companies and industries with whom they are politically aligned.

There. Much more thought out than the screed that your freshman year English teacher would be embarrassed to hear that you wrote. In the meantime, you might want to read the works of political philosophers like John Rawls, who did an excellent job squaring classical liberalism with the need to build institutions that are rational and foster a just society.

Republicans fight for lower taxes overall. But because it's mostly the wealthy who are paying for most of our taxes, they tend to benefit more. Imagine if the country implemented a program to promote better health by reducing obesity, and you are there screaming on the sidelines "this only helps the fat people!" Yea, you are that guy. The rest of your "thoughts" are along this same vein, twisted misunderstandings and mischaracterizations of Republican positions. You should have just stayed silent instead of replying to remove all doubt.

John Rawls thought too much and did too little. His contention on the effects of egalitarian social policies and inequality was proven wrong. When a country is made more egalitarian, the inequalities increase, not decrease. Such is the potential folly of someone who relies too much on academic philosophy and too little on real-world human nature. But sure, you celebrate him all you want.

Well this reads like something pulled right out of 1984.

Hint - society exists in shades of grey. There is no perfectly "egalitarian" or "unequal" society. But right now so many of our institutions and facets of the economy are woefully inefficient at a societal level due to entrenched interests and political capture.

Well, which is why I said *MORE* egalitarian, and not "perfectly egalitarian" or just "egalitarian". If you don't trust me, then perhaps you trust Science:

https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/science.aas9899

Tell me, using your own words, what you think this article indicates.

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Anonymous wrote:Asian citizens are kidding themselves if they think they aren't included in the various POC conservatives want out of the US. It's a big reason most of my family (not me) is conservative.

+1 You’re not White, you will never be White. White supremacy applies to you, too, guys. White supremacy was set up to favor Whites, end of story. Not model Asians, not anyone else. You will never be accepted in the club any more than White women are in the club - a token, here or there, but not of the club.

Given in the recent VA election, Rs elected a white man, a black woman, and a Cuban man, I don’t know how these statements can hold. They were highly supported by conservatives.

That doesn’t mean they wouldn’t throw them under the bus in a heartbeat. It doesn’t mean they’re in the club. Diamond and Silk are also highly supported by conservatives; it doesn’t mean they think those two women are people entitled to full rights. But hey if Republican minorities feel that the practices of the GOP are acceptable and want to let themselves be used, they’re welcome to throw away their votes.

I still don't get this idea that Asian Republicans are being "used". How exactly am I being used, as an Asian American who is also a Republican? My fellow republicans are fighting to protect the ideals of classical liberalism - not all of them, but most. They are also trying to fight against the systemic racist policy that is Affirmative Action. They are trying to implement merit-based immigration, which will help fellow Asians - such as the wonderful student we hosted over Christmas who ponders what his life would be if he did not get a spot in the lottery. He is studying data analytics and would love to apply his abilities in the US than back in Asia. It was such a difficult conversation to have with him, to sense the genuine desire, the ability to do good in society, but can't because of the luck of the draw.

On the other side, we have people like Ted Liu who has stated "I support affirmative action. I also support the use of race in college admissions."

Gee, such a tough choice.

Gee, you are blind to your own words.

You don't embrace or agree with every R or their policies, but you think ALL Dems agree with ALL Dem policies? I stated upthread, CA passed Prop 209. Do you know what that is? A liberal state passed a law that prevented universities there from using race as a factor. So, you see, not all liberals agree with affirmative action.

Tell your friend who ponders what his life would be like if he doesn't get in by lottery that he'll figure it out as milions of other people do. The former first lady came here on an HlB as "extraordinary talent" -- snort. Gimme a break. Like the US doesn't have enough models so we had to import them? There are thousands of other would be models around the world who would love an HlB visa to the US. Why shouldn't they have gotten one instead of Melania, who isn't even all that great looking and only modeled in catalogs and men's magazine in soft porn photos.

My family came here via family connections, as did thousands upon thousands of others, white, black, brown, etc.. I suppose to you that should never have happened, right?

Most Asian Americans realize that the R party today aren't supportive of Asian immigrants, nor are they really all that supportive of Asian Americans in general. They only seem to support merit based immigration as a way to exclude certain demographics. As Trump stated, why can't we import more Norwegians rather than people from sh1thole countrles? You think he wants more Chinese or Indians? Sure, he wants rich people because he's an elitist. He doesn't want an HlB Chinese or Indian tech worker, that's for sure.

You are being used as a patsy. Do you know what that means? You are convient for them when they want your support, but once they get what they want, they will turn on you.

We saw Trump do the same thing to people who supported him but didn't agree with everything he said or did. He would turn on them in a heartbeat. That's how Rs operate now.

Do you think the vast majority of Asian Americans are blind and dumb to vote Dem, and only the select few like you are smart and see the light and so you vote R? Ok, sure. If that makes you feel better.

Stop making stuff up. I never said that. I applaud CA's ban on affirmative action but they tried to repeal it and failed. It was on the ballot. And none of this change the fact that affirmative action is alive and well supported in other areas of the county, backed by Democrats who spend money defending it in court, with the support of Asian politicians like Ted Liu. This is sickening. They are racist and proud of it. Not all Democrats, but it is a broadly supported position among Democrats.

You keep ignoring facts placed right in front of you, and just go on repeating the same tired biased opinions based on your personal feelings. I am not going to repeat myself for your benefit. Enjoy supporting affirmative action.

yes, the repeal of 209 failed because LIBERALs didn't want to overturn it.

You also ignore facts placed right in front of you, my friend. You ignored everything I wrote about, and even your response to 209 repeal shows that not all liberals support affirmative action.

You are in the minority right now. Majority of Asian Americans, even the educated ones, don't support Rs these days. Maybe if they swing back to the moderate days Asian Americans might go back. Of course, if the Dem party swings way too left, you might see more Asian Americans becoming Independent and voting whoever is the least extreme.

For the last time, I never said all lierals support Affirmative Action. Learn English, it's not that hard.

So, if you agree, that not all liberals support aa, then why shouldn't Asian Americans vote Dem if not all Dems support aa?

You realize that not all Asian Americans are one issue voters, right? We care about education in general, quality and access to healthcare -- all things that Dems support, but R policies seem to want to kill. They support the only "if you can afford it" policies; today's R party don't support family immigration (even though they used to be the party of family values). You do realize that a lot of Asian Americans came here via family connections, right?

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I think the Asian Republican prior poster is correct in his/her assessment that the Rs support (more than Ds) merit-based admissions to selective schools even when such admissions policies result in disproportionate representation among students based on race. Thomas Jefferson high school in Virginia, for example, was like 70% Asian even though only Asians are only 7% of the state population. I don't recall any Rs complaining about that; they probably viewed that as an appropriate result if Asian families prioritize and emphasize academics more than others.