Liberal policing and policies in San Francisco

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:SF has become such a hell hole. At what point does the local population give republican leadership a try?

Here’s the saddest thing: never!
I live in the SF Bay Area. Many moderate or republican-leaning people are on green cards or visas so they don’t vote. Once they can, they simply move away.
Many moderates also have a feeling that all is futile, no matter how they vote. Newsom wasn’t recalled because the republican candidate was crazy and the “it’s going to be another trump” tactic worked.
I have not much hope for CA. So far there’s also too much money for the system to crumble (budget surplus expected). The leadership will throw a bone to the poor uneducated people who will vote for them again. Then also there are all those progressives living in Marin, shielded from the crime, who vote.

[Anonymous]

We have relatives all over this region. Several in SF that love it. More on the peninsula and east bay. We’re in South Bay. The crime is less of an issue here than when we lived in DC. It’s mostly property and nuisance crime. SF is amazing if you are single or married without kids. In fact prepandemic, I was shocked at how many Google employees chose to live in SF and sit on a bus or train for over an hour to get to work. The peninsula, South Bay and east bay is better for families but boring for people without kids.

The only people I see ranting about crime here are the very old retire in place types who have embraced right wing nimbyism. Of course they are sitting on over 2 million in equity (equity thanks to the progressive tech sector) in their house yet able to stay because progressive tax policy exempts them from many taxes, reduces their utility bills etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We have relatives all over this region. Several in SF that love it. More on the peninsula and east bay. We’re in South Bay. The crime is less of an issue here than when we lived in DC. It’s mostly property and nuisance crime. SF is amazing if you are single or married without kids. In fact prepandemic, I was shocked at how many Google employees chose to live in SF and sit on a bus or train for over an hour to get to work. The peninsula, South Bay and east bay is better for families but boring for people without kids.

The only people I see ranting about crime here are the very old retire in place types who have embraced right wing nimbyism. Of course they are sitting on over 2 million in equity (equity thanks to the progressive tech sector) in their house yet able to stay because progressive tax policy exempts them from many taxes, reduces their utility bills etc.

There is a lot of “ranting about crime”. Our voices just get drowned by the loud screams of progressives who can afford to live in relatively crime free areas

[Anonymous]

SF is not very dangerous compared to many other American cities. It’s just that Fox News and other right wing outlets whip up republicans into a frenzy about it. Cities in red states like New Orleans, Memphis, St. Louis, Louisville, Jackson MS, Gary, and Cincinnati all have much higher murder rates. Yet it does not fit the narrative so Fox News talks about SF, even though it is wildly prosperous.

SF has its problems, but the right blows it waaay out of proportion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have relatives all over this region. Several in SF that love it. More on the peninsula and east bay. We’re in South Bay. The crime is less of an issue here than when we lived in DC. It’s mostly property and nuisance crime. SF is amazing if you are single or married without kids. In fact prepandemic, I was shocked at how many Google employees chose to live in SF and sit on a bus or train for over an hour to get to work. The peninsula, South Bay and east bay is better for families but boring for people without kids.

The only people I see ranting about crime here are the very old retire in place types who have embraced right wing nimbyism. Of course they are sitting on over 2 million in equity (equity thanks to the progressive tech sector) in their house yet able to stay because progressive tax policy exempts them from many taxes, reduces their utility bills etc.

There is a lot of “ranting about crime”. Our voices just get drowned by the loud screams of progressives who can afford to live in relatively crime free areas

Really? So San Francisco is actually full of conservatives and all of the liberal voices are in the SF burbs? /s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:SF is not very dangerous compared to many other American cities. It’s just that Fox News and other right wing outlets whip up republicans into a frenzy about it. Cities in red states like New Orleans, Memphis, St. Louis, Louisville, Jackson MS, Gary, and Cincinnati all have much higher murder rates. Yet it does not fit the narrative so Fox News talks about SF, even though it is wildly prosperous.

SF has its problems, but the right blows it waaay out of proportion.

Same way they have led conservatives to believe that half of Portland has been burned to the ground and that it's a Mad Max wasteland of thousands of violent roving anarchist zombies when in fact most of what they saw in the news was confined to a small 2-3 block area of town.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Same conversations are happening in/around schools and their failed restorative justice policies. Democrats are going to get absolutely pummeled next year.

This. No common sense. Total failure.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The repubs on here want America to turn back the clock on inequitable policing and bring back the mass incarceration of the lower classes and poc so as to defend their privilege.
Plus it’s in San Francisco and they’ll handle it has they see fit.
Your wasteful, precious suburban McMansions are safe.

Yes, because enforcing laws against SHOPLIFTING promulgates the racist structural issues underneath society. .......or you know, you can simply also not break the law.

End thread.

This! There are abundant jobs. Stop stealing stuff & work. How about that for an “equity” idea!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:SF is not very dangerous compared to many other American cities. It’s just that Fox News and other right wing outlets whip up republicans into a frenzy about it. Cities in red states like New Orleans, Memphis, St. Louis, Louisville, Jackson MS, Gary, and Cincinnati all have much higher murder rates. Yet it does not fit the narrative so Fox News talks about SF, even though it is wildly prosperous.

SF has its problems, but the right blows it waaay out of proportion.

Your fixation on Fox News seems to have blinded you to what MSM is reporting. Do better.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/24/business/california-organized-crime-theft-looting.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/26/business/theft-retail-crime-robbery.amp.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/3-held-after-smash-and-grab-theft-at-los-angeles-luxury-mall/2021/11/23/1b3e4c66-4c73-11ec-a7b8-9ed28bf23929_story.html
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-11-23/the-new-breed-of-takeover-robbers-hitting-luxury-retailers?_amp=true
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/pandemic-has-fueled-surge-in-organized-thefts-at-u-s-retail-stores/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The repubs on here want America to turn back the clock on inequitable policing and bring back the mass incarceration of the lower classes and poc so as to defend their privilege.
Plus it’s in San Francisco and they’ll handle it has they see fit.
Your wasteful, precious suburban McMansions are safe.

Yes, because enforcing laws against SHOPLIFTING promulgates the racist structural issues underneath society. .......or you know, you can simply also not break the law.

End thread.

This! There are abundant jobs. Stop stealing stuff & work. How about that for an “equity” idea!!

"Just get a job"
Many of SF's homeless are mentally ill, 1,500 came from just one mental institution in Utah alone per an article posted previously in this thread. A lot of red states have been sending their own homeless, mentally ill and misfits to SF with one-way bus tickets.

[Anonymous]

Yes, there have been retail thefts in SF reported in the media. But SF’s murder rate and other violent crime rates are relatively low for an American city.


see, eg, https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/With-41-killings-in-2019-San-Francisco-sees-14943532.php

This is never acknowledged by the right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, there have been retail thefts in SF reported in the media. But SF’s murder rate and other violent crime rates are relatively low for an American city.


see, eg, https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/With-41-killings-in-2019-San-Francisco-sees-14943532.php

This is never acknowledged by the right.

Quality of life, my friend.
Murder rate and violent crime are only 1 aspect of quality of life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:SF is not very dangerous compared to many other American cities. It’s just that Fox News and other right wing outlets whip up republicans into a frenzy about it. Cities in red states like New Orleans, Memphis, St. Louis, Louisville, Jackson MS, Gary, and Cincinnati all have much higher murder rates. Yet it does not fit the narrative so Fox News talks about SF, even though it is wildly prosperous.

SF has its problems, but the right blows it waaay out of proportion.

The vast majority of the highest per capital violent crime cities are run by Democrats. Facts matter dummy.

[Anonymous]

Right, the big problem with quality of life in SF is not crime. It is cost of living. SF is beautiful, relative safe for an American city and has pretty good weather. NIMBYism keeps housing supply low. So people can’t afford to live here. If SF was such a hellhole, the average house wouldn’t cost over 1.5 million.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have relatives all over this region. Several in SF that love it. More on the peninsula and east bay. We’re in South Bay. The crime is less of an issue here than when we lived in DC. It’s mostly property and nuisance crime. SF is amazing if you are single or married without kids. In fact prepandemic, I was shocked at how many Google employees chose to live in SF and sit on a bus or train for over an hour to get to work. The peninsula, South Bay and east bay is better for families but boring for people without kids.

The only people I see ranting about crime here are the very old retire in place types who have embraced right wing nimbyism. Of course they are sitting on over 2 million in equity (equity thanks to the progressive tech sector) in their house yet able to stay because progressive tax policy exempts them from many taxes, reduces their utility bills etc.

There is a lot of “ranting about crime”. Our voices just get drowned by the loud screams of progressives who can afford to live in relatively crime free areas

Really? So San Francisco is actually full of conservatives and all of the liberal voices are in the SF burbs? /s

I just find it hard to believe that people on whose steps the homeless sh*t are voting D