Anyone’s child considering university in England?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s much harder to get a job in the US if your kid wants to pursue a degree in the UK and wishes to come back to work. Let’s put it that way. If they are of Ivy League caliber, send them to the ivies and not Oxbridge. It will make their life post-graduation much easier.

Grad school is still worth trying out though, if they just want the Oxbridge experience and aren’t really worried about immediate employment or anything.

New poster. Please provide your evidence for the statement in bold above. Actual evidence, not just your personal assumptions. We'll wait....

Pretty simple, UK schools are not target schools for US-based companies/US offices, like consulting, tech, or investment banking. It's much easier to get a job in the US out of an ivy than Oxbridge/LSE/Imperial/UCL or they call "G5" schools especially out of college.

You also see much fewer Oxbridge applicants to top schools like YLS, HBS, etc. Just take a look at their undergrad enrollment data from another thread. Since you put Columbia on the same tier as Oxbridge, it still sends far more people to Yale/Stanford Law, HBS, Stanford GSB than all of Oxbridge combined. They are not known for their professional schools. Even schools at a lower tier like Brown and Dartmouth sent more people into elite US grad schools.

Unless your kids want to work in the UK, then she can apply to their London offices. But salaries will be likely lower than in the US and there's this whole hassle with visa issues.

Also, American universities don't value an UK PhD as much as an US PhD now. You can't get a teaching job just about anywhere in the US with a PhD from the UK.

I disagree with this. HLS was loaded with MPhils, Rhodes and Marshall scholars when I went there. And I recently read a list about this fall's class and it too was populated with lots of Oxbridge types. However, most are coming in having more than 2 years off after college. It may be that the undergrads don't populate the American law schools, but a lot of American and British MPhils and other Scholars do.

We are talking about undergrad.

[Anonymous]

PP. OP, perhaps if you asked specific questions, we could better respond. My DC has been through the application process and schooling process at Oxbridge as an American student. It really depends on what you are asking about -- the application, the classes, the professors, the other students, the culture shock, the logistics, the job market, exmissions to grad schools, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s much harder to get a job in the US if your kid wants to pursue a degree in the UK and wishes to come back to work. Let’s put it that way. If they are of Ivy League caliber, send them to the ivies and not Oxbridge. It will make their life post-graduation much easier.

Grad school is still worth trying out though, if they just want the Oxbridge experience and aren’t really worried about immediate employment or anything.

New poster. Please provide your evidence for the statement in bold above. Actual evidence, not just your personal assumptions. We'll wait....

Pretty simple, UK schools are not target schools for US-based companies/US offices, like consulting, tech, or investment banking. It's much easier to get a job in the US out of an ivy than Oxbridge/LSE/Imperial/UCL or they call "G5" schools especially out of college.

You also see much fewer Oxbridge applicants to top schools like YLS, HBS, etc. Just take a look at their undergrad enrollment data from another thread. Since you put Columbia on the same tier as Oxbridge, it still sends far more people to Yale/Stanford Law, HBS, Stanford GSB than all of Oxbridge combined. They are not known for their professional schools. Even schools at a lower tier like Brown and Dartmouth sent more people into elite US grad schools.

Unless your kids want to work in the UK, then she can apply to their London offices. But salaries will be likely lower than in the US and there's this whole hassle with visa issues.

Also, American universities don't value an UK PhD as much as an US PhD now. You can't get a teaching job just about anywhere in the US with a PhD from the UK.

I disagree with this. HLS was loaded with MPhils, Rhodes and Marshall scholars when I went there. And I recently read a list about this fall's class and it too was populated with lots of Oxbridge types. However, most are coming in having more than 2 years off after college. It may be that the undergrads don't populate the American law schools, but a lot of American and British MPhils and other Scholars do.

We are talking about undergrad.

I addressed that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP. OP, perhaps if you asked specific questions, we could better respond. My DC has been through the application process and schooling process at Oxbridge as an American student. It really depends on what you are asking about -- the application, the classes, the professors, the other students, the culture shock, the logistics, the job market, exmissions to grad schools, etc.

Not an actual place. Were they at Oxford or Cambridge?

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Anonymous wrote:PP. OP, perhaps if you asked specific questions, we could better respond. My DC has been through the application process and schooling process at Oxbridge as an American student. It really depends on what you are asking about -- the application, the classes, the professors, the other students, the culture shock, the logistics, the job market, exmissions to grad schools, etc.

Not an actual place. Were they at Oxford or Cambridge?

You're dumb. Not that PP, but Oxbridge is a term used to describe the two schools. Not unlike how we refer to "the Ivies" stateside.

And armchair experts like yourself who flood threads like these are the reason why people are led to believe the UK is some superior place to send their kids for undergrad.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s much harder to get a job in the US if your kid wants to pursue a degree in the UK and wishes to come back to work. Let’s put it that way. If they are of Ivy League caliber, send them to the ivies and not Oxbridge. It will make their life post-graduation much easier.

Grad school is still worth trying out though, if they just want the Oxbridge experience and aren’t really worried about immediate employment or anything.

New poster. Please provide your evidence for the statement in bold above. Actual evidence, not just your personal assumptions. We'll wait....

Pretty simple, UK schools are not target schools for US-based companies/US offices, like consulting, tech, or investment banking. It's much easier to get a job in the US out of an ivy than Oxbridge/LSE/Imperial/UCL or they call "G5" schools especially out of college.

You also see much fewer Oxbridge applicants to top schools like YLS, HBS, etc. Just take a look at their undergrad enrollment data from another thread. Since you put Columbia on the same tier as Oxbridge, it still sends far more people to Yale/Stanford Law, HBS, Stanford GSB than all of Oxbridge combined. They are not known for their professional schools. Even schools at a lower tier like Brown and Dartmouth sent more people into elite US grad schools.

Unless your kids want to work in the UK, then she can apply to their London offices. But salaries will be likely lower than in the US and there's this whole hassle with visa issues.

Also, American universities don't value an UK PhD as much as an US PhD now. You can't get a teaching job just about anywhere in the US with a PhD from the UK.

I disagree with this. HLS was loaded with MPhils, Rhodes and Marshall scholars when I went there. And I recently read a list about this fall's class and it too was populated with lots of Oxbridge types. However, most are coming in having more than 2 years off after college. It may be that the undergrads don't populate the American law schools, but a lot of American and British MPhils and other Scholars do.

We are talking about undergrad.

I addressed that.

So your comment is irrelevant since we have been talking about undergrad the whole time, as did PP. No one denies that Oxbridge Mphils and Rhodes/Marshall scholars populate HLS but coming straight out of Oxbridge undergrad is just not as easy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:PP. OP, perhaps if you asked specific questions, we could better respond. My DC has been through the application process and schooling process at Oxbridge as an American student. It really depends on what you are asking about -- the application, the classes, the professors, the other students, the culture shock, the logistics, the job market, exmissions to grad schools, etc.

Not an actual place. Were they at Oxford or Cambridge?

You're dumb. Not that PP, but Oxbridge is a term used to describe the two schools. Not unlike how we refer to "the Ivies" stateside.

And armchair experts like yourself who flood threads like these are the reason why people are led to believe the UK is some superior place to send their kids for undergrad.

Not the PP you're criticizing, but your attachment to "Oxbridge" as a term is silly. In the UK (yes, my whole family is there, I went to college there) the term gets used at times but is considered pretentious when it does turn up. And you'd be asked the same thing over there as that PP asked: Oxford or Cambridge? And then you'd be asked which college, since those universities have constituent colleges which can be quite different from each other. In fact, "Ivies" is pretty meaningless in the U.S. and gets used here mostly to indicate merely "expensive and nearly impossible to get into." Better to discuss specific universities and colleges. Why the compulsion to apply snobbish shorthand that conveys nothing truly useful?

Your tetchiness about insisting on Oxbridge, plus the whole "UK undergrad is superior" thing is...pompous. And no help to OP.

OP, as a different PP noted, can you be more specific in what you want to ask about? Thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:PP. OP, perhaps if you asked specific questions, we could better respond. My DC has been through the application process and schooling process at Oxbridge as an American student. It really depends on what you are asking about -- the application, the classes, the professors, the other students, the culture shock, the logistics, the job market, exmissions to grad schools, etc.

Not an actual place. Were they at Oxford or Cambridge?

You're dumb. Not that PP, but Oxbridge is a term used to describe the two schools. Not unlike how we refer to "the Ivies" stateside.

And armchair experts like yourself who flood threads like these are the reason why people are led to believe the UK is some superior place to send their kids for undergrad.

Not the PP you're criticizing, but your attachment to "Oxbridge" as a term is silly. In the UK (yes, my whole family is there, I went to college there) the term gets used at times but is considered pretentious when it does turn up. And you'd be asked the same thing over there as that PP asked: Oxford or Cambridge? And then you'd be asked which college, since those universities have constituent colleges which can be quite different from each other. In fact, "Ivies" is pretty meaningless in the U.S. and gets used here mostly to indicate merely "expensive and nearly impossible to get into." Better to discuss specific universities and colleges. Why the compulsion to apply snobbish shorthand that conveys nothing truly useful?

Your tetchiness about insisting on Oxbridge, plus the whole "UK undergrad is superior" thing is...pompous. And no help to OP.

OP, as a different PP noted, can you be more specific in what you want to ask about? Thanks.

NP: I'm going to weigh in here on why I use the term Oxbridge when posting here. 1) The application process and ways in which the schools are organized are more similar than dissimilar and are unique among UK unis; 2) Preserving the anonymity of my DC. There are so few students from this area (and the US in general) that attend either school for undergrad that a few too many details and my DC would be easily outed. When I post, I try to be helpful because knowledge about the process is scarce but, ultimately, it's not for me to publicly announce the details of my kid's schooling experience without his/her permission.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP. OP, perhaps if you asked specific questions, we could better respond. My DC has been through the application process and schooling process at Oxbridge as an American student. It really depends on what you are asking about -- the application, the classes, the professors, the other students, the culture shock, the logistics, the job market, exmissions to grad schools, etc.

Not an actual place. Were they at Oxford or Cambridge?

You're dumb. Not that PP, but Oxbridge is a term used to describe the two schools. Not unlike how we refer to "the Ivies" stateside.

And armchair experts like yourself who flood threads like these are the reason why people are led to believe the UK is some superior place to send their kids for undergrad.

Not the PP you're criticizing, but your attachment to "Oxbridge" as a term is silly. In the UK (yes, my whole family is there, I went to college there) the term gets used at times but is considered pretentious when it does turn up. And you'd be asked the same thing over there as that PP asked: Oxford or Cambridge? And then you'd be asked which college, since those universities have constituent colleges which can be quite different from each other. In fact, "Ivies" is pretty meaningless in the U.S. and gets used here mostly to indicate merely "expensive and nearly impossible to get into." Better to discuss specific universities and colleges. Why the compulsion to apply snobbish shorthand that conveys nothing truly useful?

Your tetchiness about insisting on Oxbridge, plus the whole "UK undergrad is superior" thing is...pompous. And no help to OP.

OP, as a different PP noted, can you be more specific in what you want to ask about? Thanks.

NP: I'm going to weigh in here on why I use the term Oxbridge when posting here. 1) The application process and ways in which the schools are organized are more similar than dissimilar and are unique among UK unis; 2) Preserving the anonymity of my DC. There are so few students from this area (and the US in general) that attend either school for undergrad that a few too many details and my DC would be easily outed. When I post, I try to be helpful because knowledge about the process is scarce but, ultimately, it's not for me to publicly announce the details of my kid's schooling experience without his/her permission.

I'm from the UK. My DH went to Oxford and my sibling went to Cambridge. Neither in their entire lives would say they attended "oxbridge" you sound like a tourist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP. OP, perhaps if you asked specific questions, we could better respond. My DC has been through the application process and schooling process at Oxbridge as an American student. It really depends on what you are asking about -- the application, the classes, the professors, the other students, the culture shock, the logistics, the job market, exmissions to grad schools, etc.

Not an actual place. Were they at Oxford or Cambridge?

You're dumb. Not that PP, but Oxbridge is a term used to describe the two schools. Not unlike how we refer to "the Ivies" stateside.

And armchair experts like yourself who flood threads like these are the reason why people are led to believe the UK is some superior place to send their kids for undergrad.

Not the PP you're criticizing, but your attachment to "Oxbridge" as a term is silly. In the UK (yes, my whole family is there, I went to college there) the term gets used at times but is considered pretentious when it does turn up. And you'd be asked the same thing over there as that PP asked: Oxford or Cambridge? And then you'd be asked which college, since those universities have constituent colleges which can be quite different from each other. In fact, "Ivies" is pretty meaningless in the U.S. and gets used here mostly to indicate merely "expensive and nearly impossible to get into." Better to discuss specific universities and colleges. Why the compulsion to apply snobbish shorthand that conveys nothing truly useful?

Your tetchiness about insisting on Oxbridge, plus the whole "UK undergrad is superior" thing is...pompous. And no help to OP.

OP, as a different PP noted, can you be more specific in what you want to ask about? Thanks.

NP: I'm going to weigh in here on why I use the term Oxbridge when posting here. 1) The application process and ways in which the schools are organized are more similar than dissimilar and are unique among UK unis; 2) Preserving the anonymity of my DC. There are so few students from this area (and the US in general) that attend either school for undergrad that a few too many details and my DC would be easily outed. When I post, I try to be helpful because knowledge about the process is scarce but, ultimately, it's not for me to publicly announce the details of my kid's schooling experience without his/her permission.

I'm from the UK. My DH went to Oxford and my sibling went to Cambridge. Neither in their entire lives would say they attended "oxbridge" you sound like a tourist.

Oy, I don’t say it in real life. SMDH.

[Anonymous]

I have one child who graduated Oxford undergrad (3 years), another who graduated Edinburgh (4 years). What is your specific question, OP?

[Anonymous]

I get that the Scottish and Irish schools are 4 years and English are 3. Are there any other major differences once you are there?
Which schools are best socially, emotionally and academically for Americans.

My kid is smart and a good tester, 35 ACT first try as a junior his GPA is high but not perfect. He goes to a Big 3 private and consequently will not have enough AP's without a lot of self- study to apply to Oxford or Cambridge,...

He is used to a DC private school that I do think coddles them in terms of second chances, teacher hand-holding etc. I know the British system is much more hands off...

Any other helpful experiences or info is appreciated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP. OP, perhaps if you asked specific questions, we could better respond. My DC has been through the application process and schooling process at Oxbridge as an American student. It really depends on what you are asking about -- the application, the classes, the professors, the other students, the culture shock, the logistics, the job market, exmissions to grad schools, etc.

Not an actual place. Were they at Oxford or Cambridge?

You're dumb. Not that PP, but Oxbridge is a term used to describe the two schools. Not unlike how we refer to "the Ivies" stateside.

And armchair experts like yourself who flood threads like these are the reason why people are led to believe the UK is some superior place to send their kids for undergrad.

Not the PP you're criticizing, but your attachment to "Oxbridge" as a term is silly. In the UK (yes, my whole family is there, I went to college there) the term gets used at times but is considered pretentious when it does turn up. And you'd be asked the same thing over there as that PP asked: Oxford or Cambridge? And then you'd be asked which college, since those universities have constituent colleges which can be quite different from each other. In fact, "Ivies" is pretty meaningless in the U.S. and gets used here mostly to indicate merely "expensive and nearly impossible to get into." Better to discuss specific universities and colleges. Why the compulsion to apply snobbish shorthand that conveys nothing truly useful?

Your tetchiness about insisting on Oxbridge, plus the whole "UK undergrad is superior" thing is...pompous. And no help to OP.

OP, as a different PP noted, can you be more specific in what you want to ask about? Thanks.

NP: I'm going to weigh in here on why I use the term Oxbridge when posting here. 1) The application process and ways in which the schools are organized are more similar than dissimilar and are unique among UK unis; 2) Preserving the anonymity of my DC. There are so few students from this area (and the US in general) that attend either school for undergrad that a few too many details and my DC would be easily outed. When I post, I try to be helpful because knowledge about the process is scarce but, ultimately, it's not for me to publicly announce the details of my kid's schooling experience without his/her permission.

I'm from the UK. My DH went to Oxford and my sibling went to Cambridge. Neither in their entire lives would say they attended "oxbridge" you sound like a tourist.

Clearly you didn't, or perhaps didn't even go to uni since you fail to grasp the PP's perfectly logical explanation. JFC.