Game of Thrones

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How are Jaimie, Arya and others showing up on time in all these long distance destinations when it seems to take all season, or at least several episodes, to travel in other instances?

Yes, we were talking about this also. Varis, in particular, seems to have serious globe-trotting skills (and resources.)

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Why is Cersei on the Iron Throne instead of Jaime? As the male Lannister heir, wouldn't he have a stronger claim to the throne than Cersei?

Didn't he agree not to have kids as part of becoming part of the kingsguard?

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I actually think it's telling that Cercei didn't seem that upset that he died. Compare how upset she was over Geoffrey's death compared to Tommen's death. I think that she liked that Geoffrey was ruthless, even if his sheer level of ruthlessness even surpassed her own. I think she was actually kind of disgusted by Tommen's compassion and preference for nonviolence. And I think she was even perhaps relieved that he was gone, because she could see he was not going to be the kind of king she thought he should be.

As for Jaimie, I think he is coming to see that Cercei is crazy. Jaimie can be ruthless as well (let's not forget what happened to Bran), but Jaimie's character has grown. I think he is also smarter than Cercei and knows that a ruler who is hated and viewed as crazy won't last long. After all, Jaimie is the one who killed the mad king. I think that scene where he looks at Cercei on the thrown is him starting to realize that Cercei is slightly (if not full on) mad. I think he also might realize that she sent him away for a reason. It will be interesting to see how they interact.

I think Cercei's non-reaction may simply be due to the fact that she has gone over the edge now. Without her children, her last shred of humanity is gone.

I agree about Jamie having mixed feelings as he watched her in the throne room. And Tommen was his child, also. He also has lost all his children, children he never got to love and acknowledge as a father (other than Myrcella at the end. That scene with Myrcella on the boat where they acknowledged each other was so moving.) And Jamie, although capable of a lot of bad shit, is not as far gone as Cercei, so I agree it will be really interesting to see where their relationship goes.

Anonymous wrote:I wonder how things will develop between Dany and Jon. Even if it comes to light that Jon is Targaryen, I can't imagine she will readily believe it without seeing him survive fire or some such thing. I don't think Jon is interested in the Iron Throne. Perhaps they will negotiate something.

Another piece of this puzzle is that Tyrion spent time with Jon on the journey to the Wall and then at the Wall. Dany will likely hear about Jon from Tyrion, who came to like Jon (and Jon him) before Tyrion left. And...Sansa was married to Tyrion in Kings Landing and he was just about the *only* person there who treated her with kindness and respect. So it is likely Sansa is predisposed to have kinder feelings towards Tyrion than most other people. Having Tyrion as her advisor may color how Jon and Sansa see Dany.

Anonymous wrote:But the real question in my mind is, what happened to Ghost? I don't recall Ghost getting killed in any of the episodes. Perhaps I missed something?

And will Nymeria come back now that Arya has returned?

I know! I miss Ghost and have always hoped that Arya and Nymeria will be reunited. Corny, I know.

Just one of those things that impresses me about GRRM's writing -- how he put Tyrion in all these places -- like the Wall -- in the first book, knowing that it would be useful far, far in advance. Like the name "Hodor" -- did he think about "Hold the Door" that long ago? Makes you understand why he takes so long to write each book; he has to think 5 moves ahead.

I know! I'm the PP you are quoting.

I understand the theories about Tyrion being a Targaryan, the idea of the three heads of the dragon, but I'm not sure he's not just the center of it all in terms of bringing all the pieces together. I don't think he needs to be a Targaryan. He's the glue that can bring all these disparate people form different backgrounds and perspectives together.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is Cersei on the Iron Throne instead of Jaime? As the male Lannister heir, wouldn't he have a stronger claim to the throne than Cersei?

The throne belongs to the baratheons, not lannisters. Since there are no other Baratheon heirs, cersei takes the throne as Roberts wife.

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How are Jaimie, Arya and others showing up on time in all these long distance destinations when it seems to take all season, or at least several episodes, to travel in other instances?

Yes, we were talking about this also. Varis, in particular, seems to have serious globe-trotting skills (and resources.)

Well, it is the *narrow* sea! But yes, it was really Varis getting to Dorne and back that impressed me. They are not necessarily good at letting us know how all the timing goes. You assume these things are happening simultaneously as they are shown, but perhaps not.

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I haven't seen anyone comment on this yet, but I'm assuming that Dorne and the Queen of Thorns have thrown in with Dany since Varys made his appearance in Dorne but then returned safely to set sail with Dany.

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Why is Cersei on the Iron Throne instead of Jaime? As the male Lannister heir, wouldn't he have a stronger claim to the throne than Cersei?

Didn't he agree not to have kids as part of becoming part of the kingsguard?

Jamie gave up all claims (and future fatherhood) when he joined the Kingsguard, including claims to Lannister holdings (Casterly Rock, etc.). Those claims should have gone to Tyrion, but Tywin wouldn't permit it. Dying words -- "You are no son of mine."

But Cersei took over the throne based on force, not right, though as the mother of the two previous kings and widow of the one before that she had an arguable legitimacy that no one else was in a strong enough position to dispute. Shades of the wrongly maligned Alexander Haig, she took control during a state of emergency. No one else had an obvious claim (other than Dany, of course), and who was going to argue with the Mountain Monster?

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Anonymous wrote:Jon seems quite dark to be half Targaryen--but I'll have to watch finale again, of course, and focus on the Lianna scene...

NP here. Lyanna had dark hair. So Jon gets his dark hair from her. I think that is why they had that scene -- to show that he takes after his mother but is still Targaryen.

I agree with the PP that Sansa is worried FOR Jon. She doesn't trust Little Finger. If she had any interest in the Iron Throne, she wouldn't have rebuffed his offer. And I don't think she will ever forgive him for the entire Ramsey thing. She knows LF serves himself and that he only cares about her in so far as she is useful to him.

As for Tommen, I do think that he loved Margery. I don't think his love was misplaced. Margery is shrewd, but she is not nasty in the way that Cercei is. She may not have loved Tommen like he thought she did, but she was the actually the right mixture of shrewd and reasonable that a queen should be. I think he committed suicide out of a combination of sadness that she was killed and a horrible realization that his mother is horrible -- willing and capable of doing unthinkable things. I don't think he wanted to be that kind of king, but he realized that he had no real power, not even in his home, to be the kind of king he wanted to be -- the kind of king Margery was trying to make him. His action was a combination of grief and escape.

I actually think it's telling that Cercei didn't seem that upset that he died. Compare how upset she was over Geoffrey's death compared to Tommen's death. I think that she liked that Geoffrey was ruthless, even if his sheer level of ruthlessness even surpassed her own. I think she was actually kind of disgusted by Tommen's compassion and preference for nonviolence. And I think she was even perhaps relieved that he was gone, because she could see he was not going to be the kind of king she thought he should be.

As for Jaimie, I think he is coming to see that Cercei is crazy. Jaimie can be ruthless as well (let's not forget what happened to Bran), but Jaimie's character has grown. I think he is also smarter than Cercei and knows that a ruler who is hated and viewed as crazy won't last long. After all, Jaimie is the one who killed the mad king. I think that scene where he looks at Cercei on the thrown is him starting to realize that Cercei is slightly (if not full on) mad. I think he also might realize that she sent him away for a reason. It will be interesting to see how they interact.

I wonder how things will develop between Dany and Jon. Even if it comes to light that Jon is Targaryen, I can't imagine she will readily believe it without seeing him survive fire or some such thing. I don't think Jon is interested in the Iron Throne. Perhaps they will negotiate something.

But the real question in my mind is, what happened to Ghost? I don't recall Ghost getting killed in any of the episodes. Perhaps I missed something?

And will Nymeria come back now that Arya has returned?

I think cersei has just hardened due to the loss of all her children and she knew her prophecy, so she always expected him to die as well. I think she now has nothing to lose and will definitely go mad. I agree, Jamie is seeing her true colors and I think he will turn on her, which will probably be the ultimate betrayal for her. Jamie seems to always be fighting an internal battle of good and evil and with seeing her for what she is, he might finally let the "good" prevail.

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Anonymous wrote:
How are Jaimie, Arya and others showing up on time in all these long distance destinations when it seems to take all season, or at least several episodes, to travel in other instances?

Yes, we were talking about this also. Varis, in particular, seems to have serious globe-trotting skills (and resources.)

So curious, I had to Google:

http://heavy.com/entertainment/2016/06/how-does-varys-travel-so-fast-teleport-game-of-thrones-merman-dorne-ships/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
How are Jaimie, Arya and others showing up on time in all these long distance destinations when it seems to take all season, or at least several episodes, to travel in other instances?

Yes, we were talking about this also. Varis, in particular, seems to have serious globe-trotting skills (and resources.)

So curious, I had to Google:

http://heavy.com/entertainment/2016/06/how-does-varys-travel-so-fast-teleport-game-of-thrones-merman-dorne-ships/

I think more time passed than we realize. Varys left before Dany even came back. Also they talked about preparing the ships and painting them before leaving for westeros, which would take some time and therefore give time for varys to come back.

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I want Tyrion to end up with Sansa. They are married after all. I think she was starting to respect him before she fled when Joffrey died.

I also think that we are definitely headed to a full blown matriarchy. Dorn, kings landing, yara, and Dany.

Little finger is definitely problematic. I don't ever know what he is really going to do. I believe him and his proposal to Sansa. He wants her and to sit on the iron throne. He will do anything he can to get there. Jon and Sansa need to be careful.

Remember how when the night King touched Bran and that allowed the king to enter the cave of the three eyed Raven? Does this mean that when Bran crosses the wall the night King will be able to pass?

How will Jon discover his parentage?

So many questions! I do feel very satisfied with this conclusion. I'm looking forward to next season!

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Anonymous wrote:Remember how when the night King touched Bran and that allowed the king to enter the cave of the three eyed Raven? Does this mean that when Bran crosses the wall the night King will be able to pass?

Oooooooo, hadn't thought of this. I did ponder how they will get past the wall when Benjen left Meera and Bran at the tree and talked to them about how the dead could not pass the Wall, but didn't think of this loophole.

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Anonymous wrote:Remember how when the night King touched Bran and that allowed the king to enter the cave of the three eyed Raven? Does this mean that when Bran crosses the wall the night King will be able to pass?

Oooooooo, hadn't thought of this. I did ponder how they will get past the wall when Benjen left Meera and Bran at the tree and talked to them about how the dead could not pass the Wall, but didn't think of this loophole.

It kind of bugs me that this didn't come up earlier. I mean, the children of the forest should've known that (as well as the former three-eyed raven).

They should've told Bran about being touched by the dude. It seems like a vital piece of information to leave out.

I think the entire children of the forest/bran story line is the one filled with the most holes. I mean, if the dead can't get past the wall, then there never was a problem. But now there is? I mean, Bran's visions led him beyond the wall, but if his going beyond the wall and getting touched by the night king is what enables the army of the dead to invade, then Bran isn't the solution and wasn't all along. He's the problem.

Unless the three-eyed raven and children of the forest wanted him to come out there because they want the night king to get beyond the wall. But that doesn't add up either.

If the night kind knows bran going south of the wall will enable his army to go through it, then he wouldn't have come after bran -- unless he was driving him toward the wall.

I don't know. There are too many holes with that story line. It's the most irritating part of the series.

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Anonymous wrote:I know this is petty, but I expected Lyanna Stark to be gorgeous. Both Robert and Rhaegar wanted here and started a war about it. She was pretty average and plain looking. Why couldn't they have got a hotter actress?

She was a Stark and had the typical Stark looks, like Arya and Jon. We know she's not a conventional beauty like Sansa or Cersei or many of the other women on the show. She's supposed to be pretty in a northern/Stark way.

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Anonymous wrote:I want Tyrion to end up with Sansa. They are married after all. I think she was starting to respect him before she fled when Joffrey died.

I also think that we are definitely headed to a full blown matriarchy. Dorn, kings landing, yara, and Dany.

Little finger is definitely problematic. I don't ever know what he is really going to do. I believe him and his proposal to Sansa. He wants her and to sit on the iron throne. He will do anything he can to get there. Jon and Sansa need to be careful.

Remember how when the night King touched Bran and that allowed the king to enter the cave of the three eyed Raven? Does this mean that when Bran crosses the wall the night King will be able to pass?

How will Jon discover his parentage?

So many questions! I do feel very satisfied with this conclusion. I'm looking forward to next season!

I'm satisfied with some things. The Bran stuff is flawed and not well constructed.

I also think that not having Ghost in scenes was really unfortunate. I mean, to have Jon Snow being called the white wolf and Ghost (who was always by his side before) nowhere to be seen is disappointing. I read the comment about the costs. But they didn't have to do involved scenes with Ghost. Just show him by Jon's side. I don't buy the budget excuse. The dragons, Wun Wun, the battle scenes -- seriously, they couldn't afford one scene with Ghost standing by Jon's side? I don't buy it.

I also think they could have done a better job writing in more lines that would have given a better sense of the lapse of time.