FCPS Skyview Boundary Scenario 1/2/3

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Anonymous wrote:So most of Franklin MS will go to Oakton but then the poor Lees Corner kids will be the only ones there that go on to Chantilly HS? They will have no opportunity to meet kids going to Chantilly while at Franklin? That’s awful.

FCPS does not care about this. Many schools have this same problem now.

Agree. I think worrying about split feeders in middle is pointless. The capacities and locations don't line up in any logical way.

This. I think high school boundaries should come first. Then, if split feeder middles can be avoided, that would be a good thing. But, I don't think they can avoid it always.

Certainly, Crossfield should be at Skyview and stay at Carson. So, it might be necessary to leave Oak Hill kids at Franklin until Fox Mill can be moved to Hughes.

If FCPS stupidly keeps Crossfield at Oakton, then move them to Franklin.

One thing that should not happen is to create multiple split feeders for a neighborhood. (ex. current Emerald Chase which goes to Oak Hill, Carson, Westfield.)
It would not have made sense to send Emerald Chase to Oak Hill before McLearen was built. They were at Floris then and made very good sense. But, after McLearen was built Oak Hill is closer/better for them.
But, now they go to Carson and then to Westfield.

Fox Mill isn’t getting moved to Hughes.

Not yet. If Fox Mill stays at SLHS, then when FCPS gets rid of middle school AAP centers and the students all go back to their zoned middle school Hughes will have room for them. Fox Mill is part of the Reston / South Lakes community. They should be at Hughes.

Fox Mill should be at Carson and then Skyview, with the other Carson kids. There are Fox Mill families that can walk to Carson. And most of us want to move.

We realize that's what you want, but Crossfield has the same argument (other than your outright lie about there being any Fox Mill students that walk to Carson). Moving Crossfield makes more sense for FCPS because it helps with Oakton overcrowding while greatly reducing their commute, and at the same time doesn't undo the 2008 boundary study that improved South Lakes. You could argue putting Crossfield at South Lakes in your place, but that doesn't make any sense when you are already there and so much closer to the Reston community served by South Lakes.

I understand your reasoning, and Scenario 1 does seem to reflect it.

But that’s not the only plausible option.

The consultants identified future residential development areas, many of which are in Reston.

Scenario 3 accounts for this future development and focuses on minimizing split feeder patterns. Under Scenario 3, Crossfield stays at Oakton and Fox Mill moves to Skyview.

+1. There is more than one reasonable option. Also, the person who said their child could be a walker to Carson wasn't lying. The walker zone for middle and high schools is 1.5 miles. While most of Fox Mill is further, the closest homes to Carson, near West Ox Road, are 1.5 miles away from Carson.

It is 100% a lie. No one is walking the 1.5+ miles down West Ox and McLearen and crossing Centreville Rd to get to Carson. The sidewalk from Carson doesn't even connect to Centreville Rd because they know no one walks that way. FCPS does have rules about crossing certain roads - my own neighborhood is directly across the street from our school and the kids that can see the school from their front door aren't allowed to be walkers because the road is too dangerous to cross.

You are right, no one is labelled as a walker for Carson because of the traffic patterns. They are within the area that kids can walk if the streets were different. Meaning, they are close to the school. And kids do walk home from Carson in our Fox Mill neighborhood, especially after the school clubs. The late bus takes such a long route that my son and his friends will decide to walk home because it is faster then the late bus. We live by Fox Mill ES.

There are plenty of kids in Fox Mill who could walk to Carson if Carson had walkers, just like there are kids from Oak Hill who could be designated walkers if Carson had walkers. Both ES are very close to Skyview. That is why kids from FMES are at Carson an should be at Skyview.

If you're putting up the straw man argument that just one house at the edge of the boundary has to be within 1.5 miles of a school to qualify the neighborhood as walkers then lots of people *could* be walkers to lots of schools, but as we've established FCPS has rules for what qualifies as a walker. Moving Fox Mill away from Carson would not be taking walkers out of their school because no kids from Fox Mill qualify as walkers according to FCPS.

I’ll be more blunt for you. Fox Mill is closer than Crossfield. Fox Mill is as close as Oak Hill is. It makes sense for Fox Mill to go there.

Equally blunt, the commute time saved moving Crossfield to Skyview is much, much greater than the commute time saved putting Fox Mill there. Additionally, Oakton HS is already overcrowded. Moving Crossfield out makes the most sense for future capacity planning.

That's not what the consultants found. Oakton is currently at 103%, which is on target.

They identified more current / future development in Reston and Scenario 3 moved Fox Mill from South Lakes.

It did not consider new development in Oakton Why? It's current and immediate future. Not just speculative.

Well, there are new development everywhere.

But the county changed the zoning and Reston will have very high density. You don't see those tall buildings in Western Fairfax except in Reston.

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Anonymous wrote:So most of Franklin MS will go to Oakton but then the poor Lees Corner kids will be the only ones there that go on to Chantilly HS? They will have no opportunity to meet kids going to Chantilly while at Franklin? That’s awful.

FCPS does not care about this. Many schools have this same problem now.

Agree. I think worrying about split feeders in middle is pointless. The capacities and locations don't line up in any logical way.

This. I think high school boundaries should come first. Then, if split feeder middles can be avoided, that would be a good thing. But, I don't think they can avoid it always.

Certainly, Crossfield should be at Skyview and stay at Carson. So, it might be necessary to leave Oak Hill kids at Franklin until Fox Mill can be moved to Hughes.

If FCPS stupidly keeps Crossfield at Oakton, then move them to Franklin.

One thing that should not happen is to create multiple split feeders for a neighborhood. (ex. current Emerald Chase which goes to Oak Hill, Carson, Westfield.)
It would not have made sense to send Emerald Chase to Oak Hill before McLearen was built. They were at Floris then and made very good sense. But, after McLearen was built Oak Hill is closer/better for them.
But, now they go to Carson and then to Westfield.

Fox Mill isn’t getting moved to Hughes.

Not yet. If Fox Mill stays at SLHS, then when FCPS gets rid of middle school AAP centers and the students all go back to their zoned middle school Hughes will have room for them. Fox Mill is part of the Reston / South Lakes community. They should be at Hughes.

Fox Mill should be at Carson and then Skyview, with the other Carson kids. There are Fox Mill families that can walk to Carson. And most of us want to move.

We realize that's what you want, but Crossfield has the same argument (other than your outright lie about there being any Fox Mill students that walk to Carson). Moving Crossfield makes more sense for FCPS because it helps with Oakton overcrowding while greatly reducing their commute, and at the same time doesn't undo the 2008 boundary study that improved South Lakes. You could argue putting Crossfield at South Lakes in your place, but that doesn't make any sense when you are already there and so much closer to the Reston community served by South Lakes.

I understand your reasoning, and Scenario 1 does seem to reflect it.

But that’s not the only plausible option.

The consultants identified future residential development areas, many of which are in Reston.

Scenario 3 accounts for this future development and focuses on minimizing split feeder patterns. Under Scenario 3, Crossfield stays at Oakton and Fox Mill moves to Skyview.

+1. There is more than one reasonable option. Also, the person who said their child could be a walker to Carson wasn't lying. The walker zone for middle and high schools is 1.5 miles. While most of Fox Mill is further, the closest homes to Carson, near West Ox Road, are 1.5 miles away from Carson.

It is 100% a lie. No one is walking the 1.5+ miles down West Ox and McLearen and crossing Centreville Rd to get to Carson. The sidewalk from Carson doesn't even connect to Centreville Rd because they know no one walks that way. FCPS does have rules about crossing certain roads - my own neighborhood is directly across the street from our school and the kids that can see the school from their front door aren't allowed to be walkers because the road is too dangerous to cross.

You are right, no one is labelled as a walker for Carson because of the traffic patterns. They are within the area that kids can walk if the streets were different. Meaning, they are close to the school. And kids do walk home from Carson in our Fox Mill neighborhood, especially after the school clubs. The late bus takes such a long route that my son and his friends will decide to walk home because it is faster then the late bus. We live by Fox Mill ES.

There are plenty of kids in Fox Mill who could walk to Carson if Carson had walkers, just like there are kids from Oak Hill who could be designated walkers if Carson had walkers. Both ES are very close to Skyview. That is why kids from FMES are at Carson an should be at Skyview.

If you're putting up the straw man argument that just one house at the edge of the boundary has to be within 1.5 miles of a school to qualify the neighborhood as walkers then lots of people *could* be walkers to lots of schools, but as we've established FCPS has rules for what qualifies as a walker. Moving Fox Mill away from Carson would not be taking walkers out of their school because no kids from Fox Mill qualify as walkers according to FCPS.

I’ll be more blunt for you. Fox Mill is closer than Crossfield. Fox Mill is as close as Oak Hill is. It makes sense for Fox Mill to go there.

Avoiding a long commute to Oakton is just as relevant as proximity to Skyview.

Except Crossfield has a large contingent that is fine with that commute and Fox Mill has a large contingent that doesn’t like IB and wants AP and is closer. More people at Crossfield want to stay at Oakton.

That is not an objective standard.

Scenarios 2 and 3 were based on objective standard.

We will have new scenarios. The public will have a chance to provide input. And Reid will make her recommendation at least partially based on the community input.

Pray tell on what other issue has Reid considered community input?

Dp. They're not changing elementary boundaries now. That's a decision based entirely on community feedback.

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Anonymous wrote:Starting to hear rumblings out of gatehouse that the boundary contentiousness and ever increasing costs of renovations and additions needed at Skyview may force a shift to a magnet school. Definitely not officially happening but there have been discussions in the upper floors of gatehouse about rethinking this situation.

That’s interesting. I heard some rumblings about this last week too, but I dismissed the rumors at the time. I wonder if there is any there there.

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Anonymous wrote:Starting to hear rumblings out of gatehouse that the boundary contentiousness and ever increasing costs of renovations and additions needed at Skyview may force a shift to a magnet school. Definitely not officially happening but there have been discussions in the upper floors of gatehouse about rethinking this situation.

That’s interesting. I heard some rumblings about this last week too, but I dismissed the rumors at the time. I wonder if there is any there there.

If this is true, Reid needs to go. and, the School Board, too.

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Anonymous wrote:Starting to hear rumblings out of gatehouse that the boundary contentiousness and ever increasing costs of renovations and additions needed at Skyview may force a shift to a magnet school. Definitely not officially happening but there have been discussions in the upper floors of gatehouse about rethinking this situation.

That’s interesting. I heard some rumblings about this last week too, but I dismissed the rumors at the time. I wonder if there is any there there.

If this is true, Reid needs to go. and, the School Board, too.

Agreed.
I am seen as a quiet, go with the flow kind of person. But if this becomes a magnet I am going to lose my $hit and get noisy.
Yes I am in a neighborhood that is close to Skyview and in the study. IMO, Skyview is our long-awaited much-needed western high school for our community. A magnet school does not fulfill that and would not be OK.

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They have two grades coming this fall with 800 kids in a building they currently think can handle about 1000.

So if they want future classes beyond the 9th and 10th graders starting this fall it seems they’ll have to retrofit and expand Skyview in any event, and if they are going to expand Skyview further it might as well be the neighborhood school previously agreed upon by the School Board.

It’s by no means clear the state would authorize another Governor’s School in Fairfax, and the opt-in model is a very imprecise way to address overcrowding, since most kids would come from schools considered less attractive, and not necessarily those that are most crowded.

If they’d decided at the outset they wanted a small magnet with only 250 kids per class, they could have done that without spending as much money, but it would seem that ship has already sailed.

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Anonymous wrote:They have two grades coming this fall with 800 kids in a building they currently think can handle about 1000.

So if they want future classes beyond the 9th and 10th graders starting this fall it seems they’ll have to retrofit and expand Skyview in any event, and if they are going to expand Skyview further it might as well be the neighborhood school previously agreed upon by the School Board.

It’s by no means clear the state would authorize another Governor’s School in Fairfax, and the opt-in model is a very imprecise way to address overcrowding, since most kids would come from schools considered less attractive, and not necessarily those that are most crowded.

If they’d decided at the outset they wanted a small magnet with only 250 kids per class, they could have done that without spending as much money, but it would seem that ship has already sailed.

And, it would not solve any of the overcrowding in the western high schools. Not to mention that a magnet is not needed.

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By keeping the opt in model they would decrease the populations of the surrounding schools, which has already occurred. It would also enable them to focus on things the building already has and not require them to build out all the things it doesn’t have. Plus no boundary wars, which don’t seems to have any current solutions that are popular.

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The magnet talk is just our resident Forestville troll trying to stir up the forum again. The issue has already been hashed out and the community has spoken. There is zero possibility of it coming back at this point. Don't feed the trolls.

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Anonymous wrote:By keeping the opt in model they would decrease the populations of the surrounding schools, which has already occurred. It would also enable them to focus on things the building already has and not require them to build out all the things it doesn’t have. Plus no boundary wars, which don’t seems to have any current solutions that are popular.

Guarantee it would not relieve the overcrowding at Chantilly. Likely would relieve Westfield. Would greatly reduce membership at another school that does not need relief.

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Anonymous wrote:I really hope the new maps have some scenarios that include Crossfield-Carson-Skyview.

Same!!

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Anonymous wrote:I really hope the new maps have some scenarios that include Crossfield-Carson-Skyview.

Why? Are you a Crossfield parent? If not, you're worse than all of them

Curious. What makes you think it is not a Crossfield parent?

That wasn't me, but I'm a Crossfield parent who would like to see Crossfield-Carson-Skyview.

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Anonymous wrote:I really hope the new maps have some scenarios that include Crossfield-Carson-Skyview.

Why? Are you a Crossfield parent? If not, you're worse than all of them

Does it blow your mind that some Crossfield parents actually want Skyview?!

Dp. Maybebot does. Outside this board, there aren't as many of them.

You are just so stuck in your little bubble that you have no idea. Try to go out and meet families with children younger than yours someday. Everyone I've talked to (my kids are in younger grades) is pro-Skyview.

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Anonymous wrote:So most of Franklin MS will go to Oakton but then the poor Lees Corner kids will be the only ones there that go on to Chantilly HS? They will have no opportunity to meet kids going to Chantilly while at Franklin? That’s awful.

FCPS does not care about this. Many schools have this same problem now.

Agree. I think worrying about split feeders in middle is pointless. The capacities and locations don't line up in any logical way.

This. I think high school boundaries should come first. Then, if split feeder middles can be avoided, that would be a good thing. But, I don't think they can avoid it always.

Certainly, Crossfield should be at Skyview and stay at Carson. So, it might be necessary to leave Oak Hill kids at Franklin until Fox Mill can be moved to Hughes.

If FCPS stupidly keeps Crossfield at Oakton, then move them to Franklin.

One thing that should not happen is to create multiple split feeders for a neighborhood. (ex. current Emerald Chase which goes to Oak Hill, Carson, Westfield.)
It would not have made sense to send Emerald Chase to Oak Hill before McLearen was built. They were at Floris then and made very good sense. But, after McLearen was built Oak Hill is closer/better for them.
But, now they go to Carson and then to Westfield.

Fox Mill isn’t getting moved to Hughes.

Not yet. If Fox Mill stays at SLHS, then when FCPS gets rid of middle school AAP centers and the students all go back to their zoned middle school Hughes will have room for them. Fox Mill is part of the Reston / South Lakes community. They should be at Hughes.

Fox Mill should be at Carson and then Skyview, with the other Carson kids. There are Fox Mill families that can walk to Carson. And most of us want to move.

We realize that's what you want, but Crossfield has the same argument (other than your outright lie about there being any Fox Mill students that walk to Carson). Moving Crossfield makes more sense for FCPS because it helps with Oakton overcrowding while greatly reducing their commute, and at the same time doesn't undo the 2008 boundary study that improved South Lakes. You could argue putting Crossfield at South Lakes in your place, but that doesn't make any sense when you are already there and so much closer to the Reston community served by South Lakes.

I understand your reasoning, and Scenario 1 does seem to reflect it.

But that’s not the only plausible option.

The consultants identified future residential development areas, many of which are in Reston.

Scenario 3 accounts for this future development and focuses on minimizing split feeder patterns. Under Scenario 3, Crossfield stays at Oakton and Fox Mill moves to Skyview.

+1. There is more than one reasonable option. Also, the person who said their child could be a walker to Carson wasn't lying. The walker zone for middle and high schools is 1.5 miles. While most of Fox Mill is further, the closest homes to Carson, near West Ox Road, are 1.5 miles away from Carson.

It is 100% a lie. No one is walking the 1.5+ miles down West Ox and McLearen and crossing Centreville Rd to get to Carson. The sidewalk from Carson doesn't even connect to Centreville Rd because they know no one walks that way. FCPS does have rules about crossing certain roads - my own neighborhood is directly across the street from our school and the kids that can see the school from their front door aren't allowed to be walkers because the road is too dangerous to cross.

You are right, no one is labelled as a walker for Carson because of the traffic patterns. They are within the area that kids can walk if the streets were different. Meaning, they are close to the school. And kids do walk home from Carson in our Fox Mill neighborhood, especially after the school clubs. The late bus takes such a long route that my son and his friends will decide to walk home because it is faster then the late bus. We live by Fox Mill ES.

There are plenty of kids in Fox Mill who could walk to Carson if Carson had walkers, just like there are kids from Oak Hill who could be designated walkers if Carson had walkers. Both ES are very close to Skyview. That is why kids from FMES are at Carson an should be at Skyview.

If you're putting up the straw man argument that just one house at the edge of the boundary has to be within 1.5 miles of a school to qualify the neighborhood as walkers then lots of people *could* be walkers to lots of schools, but as we've established FCPS has rules for what qualifies as a walker. Moving Fox Mill away from Carson would not be taking walkers out of their school because no kids from Fox Mill qualify as walkers according to FCPS.

I’ll be more blunt for you. Fox Mill is closer than Crossfield. Fox Mill is as close as Oak Hill is. It makes sense for Fox Mill to go there.

You sound so dumb. The point is that Fox Mill homes are far closer to South Lakes than Crossfield homes are to Oakton. Look at your map, momma.

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/boundary-maps/Foxmill_ES_1.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:I really hope the new maps have some scenarios that include Crossfield-Carson-Skyview.

+1

I'd hope not, let's get away from the Carson crowd, had enough shenanigans this year...

That's why the RIO peeps don't want skyview.

Because they're racist? Absolutely. That is 100% why. They're not only racist against hispanic and african-americans kids, though, they are racist against asian and Indian kids, too.