FCPS Skyview Boundary Scenario 1/2/3

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Anonymous wrote:Starting to hear rumblings out of gatehouse that the boundary contentiousness and ever increasing costs of renovations and additions needed at Skyview may force a shift to a magnet school. Definitely not officially happening but there have been discussions in the upper floors of gatehouse about rethinking this situation.

If they could turn a commercial office building into an elementary school in a matter of months (Bailey's Upper ES), they can turn a K-12 private school into a 9-12 neighborhood high school in a couple of years (Skyview).

I'd say these are just the voices inside your head, but FCPS is so lacking in both competence and confidence these days that such "rumblings" don't seem entirely beyond the pale. But mostly that would just mean they need to grow a spine and stick with the program.

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Anonymous wrote:Starting to hear rumblings out of gatehouse that the boundary contentiousness and ever increasing costs of renovations and additions needed at Skyview may force a shift to a magnet school. Definitely not officially happening but there have been discussions in the upper floors of gatehouse about rethinking this situation.

Surprise. Surprise. Draw a bunch of crappy proposals nobody likes and shift to magnet talk. Reid is a master manipulator.

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Fire Reid and find someone who can execute a board directive. She's an awful combination of sneaky and incompetent.

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Anonymous wrote:Starting to hear rumblings out of gatehouse that the boundary contentiousness and ever increasing costs of renovations and additions needed at Skyview may force a shift to a magnet school. Definitely not officially happening but there have been discussions in the upper floors of gatehouse about rethinking this situation.

Surprise. Surprise. Draw a bunch of crappy proposals nobody likes and shift to magnet talk. Reid is a master manipulator.

They have just drawn up way too many boundary changes too fast which have fired everyone up. Maybe this was her strategy to get it to be a magnet. Genius?

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Anonymous wrote:Starting to hear rumblings out of gatehouse that the boundary contentiousness and ever increasing costs of renovations and additions needed at Skyview may force a shift to a magnet school. Definitely not officially happening but there have been discussions in the upper floors of gatehouse about rethinking this situation.

If they could turn a commercial office building into an elementary school in a matter of months (Bailey's Upper ES), they can turn a K-12 private school into a 9-12 neighborhood high school in a couple of years (Skyview).

I'd say these are just the voices inside your head, but FCPS is so lacking in both competence and confidence these days that such "rumblings" don't seem entirely beyond the pale. But mostly that would just mean they need to grow a spine and stick with the program.

How did we change so much in 12 years?

Golly Reid has really got to go.

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Anonymous wrote:Starting to hear rumblings out of gatehouse that the boundary contentiousness and ever increasing costs of renovations and additions needed at Skyview may force a shift to a magnet school. Definitely not officially happening but there have been discussions in the upper floors of gatehouse about rethinking this situation.

You keep trying to introduce this idea every couple of days, but it's not working. The vote has already been taken. Give it up, you lost. It is a traditional school.

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Reid has one skill, manipulation, and she has it in abundance. Yes, she is driving Skyview to become a magnet school. Even Stevie Wonder can see it coming. Sadly the parents in FCPS can’t yet see it and won’t until it is too late.

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So if they made it a magnet, would they scrap boundary changes completely? Or would they still try to deal with the fact that Chantilly is overcrowded? They are going to get raked over the Kohl’s if they go back on their plan now because they just did a whole countywide boundary review where they could’ve made changes to relieve Chantilly and did not because of this new high school.

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Anonymous wrote:So most of Franklin MS will go to Oakton but then the poor Lees Corner kids will be the only ones there that go on to Chantilly HS? They will have no opportunity to meet kids going to Chantilly while at Franklin? That’s awful.

FCPS does not care about this. Many schools have this same problem now.

Agree. I think worrying about split feeders in middle is pointless. The capacities and locations don't line up in any logical way.

This. I think high school boundaries should come first. Then, if split feeder middles can be avoided, that would be a good thing. But, I don't think they can avoid it always.

Certainly, Crossfield should be at Skyview and stay at Carson. So, it might be necessary to leave Oak Hill kids at Franklin until Fox Mill can be moved to Hughes.

If FCPS stupidly keeps Crossfield at Oakton, then move them to Franklin.

One thing that should not happen is to create multiple split feeders for a neighborhood. (ex. current Emerald Chase which goes to Oak Hill, Carson, Westfield.)
It would not have made sense to send Emerald Chase to Oak Hill before McLearen was built. They were at Floris then and made very good sense. But, after McLearen was built Oak Hill is closer/better for them.
But, now they go to Carson and then to Westfield.

Fox Mill isn’t getting moved to Hughes.

Not yet. If Fox Mill stays at SLHS, then when FCPS gets rid of middle school AAP centers and the students all go back to their zoned middle school Hughes will have room for them. Fox Mill is part of the Reston / South Lakes community. They should be at Hughes.

Fox Mill should be at Carson and then Skyview, with the other Carson kids. There are Fox Mill families that can walk to Carson. And most of us want to move.

We realize that's what you want, but Crossfield has the same argument (other than your outright lie about there being any Fox Mill students that walk to Carson). Moving Crossfield makes more sense for FCPS because it helps with Oakton overcrowding while greatly reducing their commute, and at the same time doesn't undo the 2008 boundary study that improved South Lakes. You could argue putting Crossfield at South Lakes in your place, but that doesn't make any sense when you are already there and so much closer to the Reston community served by South Lakes.

I understand your reasoning, and Scenario 1 does seem to reflect it.

But that’s not the only plausible option.

The consultants identified future residential development areas, many of which are in Reston.

Scenario 3 accounts for this future development and focuses on minimizing split feeder patterns. Under Scenario 3, Crossfield stays at Oakton and Fox Mill moves to Skyview.

+1. There is more than one reasonable option. Also, the person who said their child could be a walker to Carson wasn't lying. The walker zone for middle and high schools is 1.5 miles. While most of Fox Mill is further, the closest homes to Carson, near West Ox Road, are 1.5 miles away from Carson.

It is 100% a lie. No one is walking the 1.5+ miles down West Ox and McLearen and crossing Centreville Rd to get to Carson. The sidewalk from Carson doesn't even connect to Centreville Rd because they know no one walks that way. FCPS does have rules about crossing certain roads - my own neighborhood is directly across the street from our school and the kids that can see the school from their front door aren't allowed to be walkers because the road is too dangerous to cross.

You are right, no one is labelled as a walker for Carson because of the traffic patterns. They are within the area that kids can walk if the streets were different. Meaning, they are close to the school. And kids do walk home from Carson in our Fox Mill neighborhood, especially after the school clubs. The late bus takes such a long route that my son and his friends will decide to walk home because it is faster then the late bus. We live by Fox Mill ES.

There are plenty of kids in Fox Mill who could walk to Carson if Carson had walkers, just like there are kids from Oak Hill who could be designated walkers if Carson had walkers. Both ES are very close to Skyview. That is why kids from FMES are at Carson an should be at Skyview.

If you're putting up the straw man argument that just one house at the edge of the boundary has to be within 1.5 miles of a school to qualify the neighborhood as walkers then lots of people *could* be walkers to lots of schools, but as we've established FCPS has rules for what qualifies as a walker. Moving Fox Mill away from Carson would not be taking walkers out of their school because no kids from Fox Mill qualify as walkers according to FCPS.

I’ll be more blunt for you. Fox Mill is closer than Crossfield. Fox Mill is as close as Oak Hill is. It makes sense for Fox Mill to go there.

+1 and Fox Mill wants to go there.

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Anonymous wrote:Starting to hear rumblings out of gatehouse that the boundary contentiousness and ever increasing costs of renovations and additions needed at Skyview may force a shift to a magnet school. Definitely not officially happening but there have been discussions in the upper floors of gatehouse about rethinking this situation.

Surprise. Surprise. Draw a bunch of crappy proposals nobody likes and shift to magnet talk. Reid is a master manipulator.

They have just drawn up way too many boundary changes too fast which have fired everyone up. Maybe this was her strategy to get it to be a magnet. Genius?

There is nothing about this that has been “too fast”.
It is being unnecessarily complicated by bringing on xyz contractors when a group of average but invested parents and community members could have had this sorted out much more easily.

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Anonymous wrote:So most of Franklin MS will go to Oakton but then the poor Lees Corner kids will be the only ones there that go on to Chantilly HS? They will have no opportunity to meet kids going to Chantilly while at Franklin? That’s awful.

FCPS does not care about this. Many schools have this same problem now.

Agree. I think worrying about split feeders in middle is pointless. The capacities and locations don't line up in any logical way.

This. I think high school boundaries should come first. Then, if split feeder middles can be avoided, that would be a good thing. But, I don't think they can avoid it always.

Certainly, Crossfield should be at Skyview and stay at Carson. So, it might be necessary to leave Oak Hill kids at Franklin until Fox Mill can be moved to Hughes.

If FCPS stupidly keeps Crossfield at Oakton, then move them to Franklin.

One thing that should not happen is to create multiple split feeders for a neighborhood. (ex. current Emerald Chase which goes to Oak Hill, Carson, Westfield.)
It would not have made sense to send Emerald Chase to Oak Hill before McLearen was built. They were at Floris then and made very good sense. But, after McLearen was built Oak Hill is closer/better for them.
But, now they go to Carson and then to Westfield.

Fox Mill isn’t getting moved to Hughes.

Not yet. If Fox Mill stays at SLHS, then when FCPS gets rid of middle school AAP centers and the students all go back to their zoned middle school Hughes will have room for them. Fox Mill is part of the Reston / South Lakes community. They should be at Hughes.

Fox Mill should be at Carson and then Skyview, with the other Carson kids. There are Fox Mill families that can walk to Carson. And most of us want to move.

We realize that's what you want, but Crossfield has the same argument (other than your outright lie about there being any Fox Mill students that walk to Carson). Moving Crossfield makes more sense for FCPS because it helps with Oakton overcrowding while greatly reducing their commute, and at the same time doesn't undo the 2008 boundary study that improved South Lakes. You could argue putting Crossfield at South Lakes in your place, but that doesn't make any sense when you are already there and so much closer to the Reston community served by South Lakes.

I understand your reasoning, and Scenario 1 does seem to reflect it.

But that’s not the only plausible option.

The consultants identified future residential development areas, many of which are in Reston.

Scenario 3 accounts for this future development and focuses on minimizing split feeder patterns. Under Scenario 3, Crossfield stays at Oakton and Fox Mill moves to Skyview.

+1. There is more than one reasonable option. Also, the person who said their child could be a walker to Carson wasn't lying. The walker zone for middle and high schools is 1.5 miles. While most of Fox Mill is further, the closest homes to Carson, near West Ox Road, are 1.5 miles away from Carson.

It is 100% a lie. No one is walking the 1.5+ miles down West Ox and McLearen and crossing Centreville Rd to get to Carson. The sidewalk from Carson doesn't even connect to Centreville Rd because they know no one walks that way. FCPS does have rules about crossing certain roads - my own neighborhood is directly across the street from our school and the kids that can see the school from their front door aren't allowed to be walkers because the road is too dangerous to cross.

You are right, no one is labelled as a walker for Carson because of the traffic patterns. They are within the area that kids can walk if the streets were different. Meaning, they are close to the school. And kids do walk home from Carson in our Fox Mill neighborhood, especially after the school clubs. The late bus takes such a long route that my son and his friends will decide to walk home because it is faster then the late bus. We live by Fox Mill ES.

There are plenty of kids in Fox Mill who could walk to Carson if Carson had walkers, just like there are kids from Oak Hill who could be designated walkers if Carson had walkers. Both ES are very close to Skyview. That is why kids from FMES are at Carson an should be at Skyview.

If you're putting up the straw man argument that just one house at the edge of the boundary has to be within 1.5 miles of a school to qualify the neighborhood as walkers then lots of people *could* be walkers to lots of schools, but as we've established FCPS has rules for what qualifies as a walker. Moving Fox Mill away from Carson would not be taking walkers out of their school because no kids from Fox Mill qualify as walkers according to FCPS.

I’ll be more blunt for you. Fox Mill is closer than Crossfield. Fox Mill is as close as Oak Hill is. It makes sense for Fox Mill to go there.

+1 and Fox Mill wants to go there.

There are equally valid considerations that weigh in favor of moving Crossfield rather than Fox Mill to Skyview.

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Anonymous wrote:So most of Franklin MS will go to Oakton but then the poor Lees Corner kids will be the only ones there that go on to Chantilly HS? They will have no opportunity to meet kids going to Chantilly while at Franklin? That’s awful.

FCPS does not care about this. Many schools have this same problem now.

Agree. I think worrying about split feeders in middle is pointless. The capacities and locations don't line up in any logical way.

This. I think high school boundaries should come first. Then, if split feeder middles can be avoided, that would be a good thing. But, I don't think they can avoid it always.

Certainly, Crossfield should be at Skyview and stay at Carson. So, it might be necessary to leave Oak Hill kids at Franklin until Fox Mill can be moved to Hughes.

If FCPS stupidly keeps Crossfield at Oakton, then move them to Franklin.

One thing that should not happen is to create multiple split feeders for a neighborhood. (ex. current Emerald Chase which goes to Oak Hill, Carson, Westfield.)
It would not have made sense to send Emerald Chase to Oak Hill before McLearen was built. They were at Floris then and made very good sense. But, after McLearen was built Oak Hill is closer/better for them.
But, now they go to Carson and then to Westfield.

Fox Mill isn’t getting moved to Hughes.

Not yet. If Fox Mill stays at SLHS, then when FCPS gets rid of middle school AAP centers and the students all go back to their zoned middle school Hughes will have room for them. Fox Mill is part of the Reston / South Lakes community. They should be at Hughes.

Fox Mill should be at Carson and then Skyview, with the other Carson kids. There are Fox Mill families that can walk to Carson. And most of us want to move.

We realize that's what you want, but Crossfield has the same argument (other than your outright lie about there being any Fox Mill students that walk to Carson). Moving Crossfield makes more sense for FCPS because it helps with Oakton overcrowding while greatly reducing their commute, and at the same time doesn't undo the 2008 boundary study that improved South Lakes. You could argue putting Crossfield at South Lakes in your place, but that doesn't make any sense when you are already there and so much closer to the Reston community served by South Lakes.

I understand your reasoning, and Scenario 1 does seem to reflect it.

But that’s not the only plausible option.

The consultants identified future residential development areas, many of which are in Reston.

Scenario 3 accounts for this future development and focuses on minimizing split feeder patterns. Under Scenario 3, Crossfield stays at Oakton and Fox Mill moves to Skyview.

+1. There is more than one reasonable option. Also, the person who said their child could be a walker to Carson wasn't lying. The walker zone for middle and high schools is 1.5 miles. While most of Fox Mill is further, the closest homes to Carson, near West Ox Road, are 1.5 miles away from Carson.

It is 100% a lie. No one is walking the 1.5+ miles down West Ox and McLearen and crossing Centreville Rd to get to Carson. The sidewalk from Carson doesn't even connect to Centreville Rd because they know no one walks that way. FCPS does have rules about crossing certain roads - my own neighborhood is directly across the street from our school and the kids that can see the school from their front door aren't allowed to be walkers because the road is too dangerous to cross.

You are right, no one is labelled as a walker for Carson because of the traffic patterns. They are within the area that kids can walk if the streets were different. Meaning, they are close to the school. And kids do walk home from Carson in our Fox Mill neighborhood, especially after the school clubs. The late bus takes such a long route that my son and his friends will decide to walk home because it is faster then the late bus. We live by Fox Mill ES.

There are plenty of kids in Fox Mill who could walk to Carson if Carson had walkers, just like there are kids from Oak Hill who could be designated walkers if Carson had walkers. Both ES are very close to Skyview. That is why kids from FMES are at Carson an should be at Skyview.

If you're putting up the straw man argument that just one house at the edge of the boundary has to be within 1.5 miles of a school to qualify the neighborhood as walkers then lots of people *could* be walkers to lots of schools, but as we've established FCPS has rules for what qualifies as a walker. Moving Fox Mill away from Carson would not be taking walkers out of their school because no kids from Fox Mill qualify as walkers according to FCPS.

I’ll be more blunt for you. Fox Mill is closer than Crossfield. Fox Mill is as close as Oak Hill is. It makes sense for Fox Mill to go there.

Avoiding a long commute to Oakton is just as relevant as proximity to Skyview.

Except Crossfield has a large contingent that is fine with that commute and Fox Mill has a large contingent that doesn’t like IB and wants AP and is closer. More people at Crossfield want to stay at Oakton.

That is not an objective standard.

Scenarios 2 and 3 were based on objective standard.

We will have new scenarios. The public will have a chance to provide input. And Reid will make her recommendation at least partially based on the community input.

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Anonymous wrote:So most of Franklin MS will go to Oakton but then the poor Lees Corner kids will be the only ones there that go on to Chantilly HS? They will have no opportunity to meet kids going to Chantilly while at Franklin? That’s awful.

FCPS does not care about this. Many schools have this same problem now.

Agree. I think worrying about split feeders in middle is pointless. The capacities and locations don't line up in any logical way.

This. I think high school boundaries should come first. Then, if split feeder middles can be avoided, that would be a good thing. But, I don't think they can avoid it always.

Certainly, Crossfield should be at Skyview and stay at Carson. So, it might be necessary to leave Oak Hill kids at Franklin until Fox Mill can be moved to Hughes.

If FCPS stupidly keeps Crossfield at Oakton, then move them to Franklin.

One thing that should not happen is to create multiple split feeders for a neighborhood. (ex. current Emerald Chase which goes to Oak Hill, Carson, Westfield.)
It would not have made sense to send Emerald Chase to Oak Hill before McLearen was built. They were at Floris then and made very good sense. But, after McLearen was built Oak Hill is closer/better for them.
But, now they go to Carson and then to Westfield.

Fox Mill isn’t getting moved to Hughes.

Not yet. If Fox Mill stays at SLHS, then when FCPS gets rid of middle school AAP centers and the students all go back to their zoned middle school Hughes will have room for them. Fox Mill is part of the Reston / South Lakes community. They should be at Hughes.

Fox Mill should be at Carson and then Skyview, with the other Carson kids. There are Fox Mill families that can walk to Carson. And most of us want to move.

We realize that's what you want, but Crossfield has the same argument (other than your outright lie about there being any Fox Mill students that walk to Carson). Moving Crossfield makes more sense for FCPS because it helps with Oakton overcrowding while greatly reducing their commute, and at the same time doesn't undo the 2008 boundary study that improved South Lakes. You could argue putting Crossfield at South Lakes in your place, but that doesn't make any sense when you are already there and so much closer to the Reston community served by South Lakes.

I understand your reasoning, and Scenario 1 does seem to reflect it.

But that’s not the only plausible option.

The consultants identified future residential development areas, many of which are in Reston.

Scenario 3 accounts for this future development and focuses on minimizing split feeder patterns. Under Scenario 3, Crossfield stays at Oakton and Fox Mill moves to Skyview.

+1. There is more than one reasonable option. Also, the person who said their child could be a walker to Carson wasn't lying. The walker zone for middle and high schools is 1.5 miles. While most of Fox Mill is further, the closest homes to Carson, near West Ox Road, are 1.5 miles away from Carson.

It is 100% a lie. No one is walking the 1.5+ miles down West Ox and McLearen and crossing Centreville Rd to get to Carson. The sidewalk from Carson doesn't even connect to Centreville Rd because they know no one walks that way. FCPS does have rules about crossing certain roads - my own neighborhood is directly across the street from our school and the kids that can see the school from their front door aren't allowed to be walkers because the road is too dangerous to cross.

You are right, no one is labelled as a walker for Carson because of the traffic patterns. They are within the area that kids can walk if the streets were different. Meaning, they are close to the school. And kids do walk home from Carson in our Fox Mill neighborhood, especially after the school clubs. The late bus takes such a long route that my son and his friends will decide to walk home because it is faster then the late bus. We live by Fox Mill ES.

There are plenty of kids in Fox Mill who could walk to Carson if Carson had walkers, just like there are kids from Oak Hill who could be designated walkers if Carson had walkers. Both ES are very close to Skyview. That is why kids from FMES are at Carson an should be at Skyview.

If you're putting up the straw man argument that just one house at the edge of the boundary has to be within 1.5 miles of a school to qualify the neighborhood as walkers then lots of people *could* be walkers to lots of schools, but as we've established FCPS has rules for what qualifies as a walker. Moving Fox Mill away from Carson would not be taking walkers out of their school because no kids from Fox Mill qualify as walkers according to FCPS.

I’ll be more blunt for you. Fox Mill is closer than Crossfield. Fox Mill is as close as Oak Hill is. It makes sense for Fox Mill to go there.

Avoiding a long commute to Oakton is just as relevant as proximity to Skyview.

Except Crossfield has a large contingent that is fine with that commute and Fox Mill has a large contingent that doesn’t like IB and wants AP and is closer. More people at Crossfield want to stay at Oakton.

That is not an objective standard.

Scenarios 2 and 3 were based on objective standard.

We will have new scenarios. The public will have a chance to provide input. And Reid will make her recommendation at least partially based on the community input.

Pray tell on what other issue has Reid considered community input?

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Anonymous wrote:So most of Franklin MS will go to Oakton but then the poor Lees Corner kids will be the only ones there that go on to Chantilly HS? They will have no opportunity to meet kids going to Chantilly while at Franklin? That’s awful.

FCPS does not care about this. Many schools have this same problem now.

Agree. I think worrying about split feeders in middle is pointless. The capacities and locations don't line up in any logical way.

This. I think high school boundaries should come first. Then, if split feeder middles can be avoided, that would be a good thing. But, I don't think they can avoid it always.

Certainly, Crossfield should be at Skyview and stay at Carson. So, it might be necessary to leave Oak Hill kids at Franklin until Fox Mill can be moved to Hughes.

If FCPS stupidly keeps Crossfield at Oakton, then move them to Franklin.

One thing that should not happen is to create multiple split feeders for a neighborhood. (ex. current Emerald Chase which goes to Oak Hill, Carson, Westfield.)
It would not have made sense to send Emerald Chase to Oak Hill before McLearen was built. They were at Floris then and made very good sense. But, after McLearen was built Oak Hill is closer/better for them.
But, now they go to Carson and then to Westfield.

Fox Mill isn’t getting moved to Hughes.

Not yet. If Fox Mill stays at SLHS, then when FCPS gets rid of middle school AAP centers and the students all go back to their zoned middle school Hughes will have room for them. Fox Mill is part of the Reston / South Lakes community. They should be at Hughes.

Fox Mill should be at Carson and then Skyview, with the other Carson kids. There are Fox Mill families that can walk to Carson. And most of us want to move.

We realize that's what you want, but Crossfield has the same argument (other than your outright lie about there being any Fox Mill students that walk to Carson). Moving Crossfield makes more sense for FCPS because it helps with Oakton overcrowding while greatly reducing their commute, and at the same time doesn't undo the 2008 boundary study that improved South Lakes. You could argue putting Crossfield at South Lakes in your place, but that doesn't make any sense when you are already there and so much closer to the Reston community served by South Lakes.

I understand your reasoning, and Scenario 1 does seem to reflect it.

But that’s not the only plausible option.

The consultants identified future residential development areas, many of which are in Reston.

Scenario 3 accounts for this future development and focuses on minimizing split feeder patterns. Under Scenario 3, Crossfield stays at Oakton and Fox Mill moves to Skyview.

+1. There is more than one reasonable option. Also, the person who said their child could be a walker to Carson wasn't lying. The walker zone for middle and high schools is 1.5 miles. While most of Fox Mill is further, the closest homes to Carson, near West Ox Road, are 1.5 miles away from Carson.

It is 100% a lie. No one is walking the 1.5+ miles down West Ox and McLearen and crossing Centreville Rd to get to Carson. The sidewalk from Carson doesn't even connect to Centreville Rd because they know no one walks that way. FCPS does have rules about crossing certain roads - my own neighborhood is directly across the street from our school and the kids that can see the school from their front door aren't allowed to be walkers because the road is too dangerous to cross.

You are right, no one is labelled as a walker for Carson because of the traffic patterns. They are within the area that kids can walk if the streets were different. Meaning, they are close to the school. And kids do walk home from Carson in our Fox Mill neighborhood, especially after the school clubs. The late bus takes such a long route that my son and his friends will decide to walk home because it is faster then the late bus. We live by Fox Mill ES.

There are plenty of kids in Fox Mill who could walk to Carson if Carson had walkers, just like there are kids from Oak Hill who could be designated walkers if Carson had walkers. Both ES are very close to Skyview. That is why kids from FMES are at Carson an should be at Skyview.

If you're putting up the straw man argument that just one house at the edge of the boundary has to be within 1.5 miles of a school to qualify the neighborhood as walkers then lots of people *could* be walkers to lots of schools, but as we've established FCPS has rules for what qualifies as a walker. Moving Fox Mill away from Carson would not be taking walkers out of their school because no kids from Fox Mill qualify as walkers according to FCPS.

I’ll be more blunt for you. Fox Mill is closer than Crossfield. Fox Mill is as close as Oak Hill is. It makes sense for Fox Mill to go there.

Equally blunt, the commute time saved moving Crossfield to Skyview is much, much greater than the commute time saved putting Fox Mill there. Additionally, Oakton HS is already overcrowded. Moving Crossfield out makes the most sense for future capacity planning.

That's not what the consultants found. Oakton is currently at 103%, which is on target.

They identified more current / future development in Reston and Scenario 3 moved Fox Mill from South Lakes.

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Anonymous wrote:So most of Franklin MS will go to Oakton but then the poor Lees Corner kids will be the only ones there that go on to Chantilly HS? They will have no opportunity to meet kids going to Chantilly while at Franklin? That’s awful.

FCPS does not care about this. Many schools have this same problem now.

Agree. I think worrying about split feeders in middle is pointless. The capacities and locations don't line up in any logical way.

This. I think high school boundaries should come first. Then, if split feeder middles can be avoided, that would be a good thing. But, I don't think they can avoid it always.

Certainly, Crossfield should be at Skyview and stay at Carson. So, it might be necessary to leave Oak Hill kids at Franklin until Fox Mill can be moved to Hughes.

If FCPS stupidly keeps Crossfield at Oakton, then move them to Franklin.

One thing that should not happen is to create multiple split feeders for a neighborhood. (ex. current Emerald Chase which goes to Oak Hill, Carson, Westfield.)
It would not have made sense to send Emerald Chase to Oak Hill before McLearen was built. They were at Floris then and made very good sense. But, after McLearen was built Oak Hill is closer/better for them.
But, now they go to Carson and then to Westfield.

Fox Mill isn’t getting moved to Hughes.

Not yet. If Fox Mill stays at SLHS, then when FCPS gets rid of middle school AAP centers and the students all go back to their zoned middle school Hughes will have room for them. Fox Mill is part of the Reston / South Lakes community. They should be at Hughes.

Fox Mill should be at Carson and then Skyview, with the other Carson kids. There are Fox Mill families that can walk to Carson. And most of us want to move.

We realize that's what you want, but Crossfield has the same argument (other than your outright lie about there being any Fox Mill students that walk to Carson). Moving Crossfield makes more sense for FCPS because it helps with Oakton overcrowding while greatly reducing their commute, and at the same time doesn't undo the 2008 boundary study that improved South Lakes. You could argue putting Crossfield at South Lakes in your place, but that doesn't make any sense when you are already there and so much closer to the Reston community served by South Lakes.

I understand your reasoning, and Scenario 1 does seem to reflect it.

But that’s not the only plausible option.

The consultants identified future residential development areas, many of which are in Reston.

Scenario 3 accounts for this future development and focuses on minimizing split feeder patterns. Under Scenario 3, Crossfield stays at Oakton and Fox Mill moves to Skyview.

+1. There is more than one reasonable option. Also, the person who said their child could be a walker to Carson wasn't lying. The walker zone for middle and high schools is 1.5 miles. While most of Fox Mill is further, the closest homes to Carson, near West Ox Road, are 1.5 miles away from Carson.

It is 100% a lie. No one is walking the 1.5+ miles down West Ox and McLearen and crossing Centreville Rd to get to Carson. The sidewalk from Carson doesn't even connect to Centreville Rd because they know no one walks that way. FCPS does have rules about crossing certain roads - my own neighborhood is directly across the street from our school and the kids that can see the school from their front door aren't allowed to be walkers because the road is too dangerous to cross.

You are right, no one is labelled as a walker for Carson because of the traffic patterns. They are within the area that kids can walk if the streets were different. Meaning, they are close to the school. And kids do walk home from Carson in our Fox Mill neighborhood, especially after the school clubs. The late bus takes such a long route that my son and his friends will decide to walk home because it is faster then the late bus. We live by Fox Mill ES.

There are plenty of kids in Fox Mill who could walk to Carson if Carson had walkers, just like there are kids from Oak Hill who could be designated walkers if Carson had walkers. Both ES are very close to Skyview. That is why kids from FMES are at Carson an should be at Skyview.

If you're putting up the straw man argument that just one house at the edge of the boundary has to be within 1.5 miles of a school to qualify the neighborhood as walkers then lots of people *could* be walkers to lots of schools, but as we've established FCPS has rules for what qualifies as a walker. Moving Fox Mill away from Carson would not be taking walkers out of their school because no kids from Fox Mill qualify as walkers according to FCPS.

I’ll be more blunt for you. Fox Mill is closer than Crossfield. Fox Mill is as close as Oak Hill is. It makes sense for Fox Mill to go there.

Equally blunt, the commute time saved moving Crossfield to Skyview is much, much greater than the commute time saved putting Fox Mill there. Additionally, Oakton HS is already overcrowded. Moving Crossfield out makes the most sense for future capacity planning.

That's not what the consultants found. Oakton is currently at 103%, which is on target.

They identified more current / future development in Reston and Scenario 3 moved Fox Mill from South Lakes.

It did not consider new development in Oakton Why? It's current and immediate future. Not just speculative.