FCPS Skyview Boundary Scenario 1/2/3

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Anonymous wrote:So most of Franklin MS will go to Oakton but then the poor Lees Corner kids will be the only ones there that go on to Chantilly HS? They will have no opportunity to meet kids going to Chantilly while at Franklin? That’s awful.

FCPS does not care about this. Many schools have this same problem now.

Agree. I think worrying about split feeders in middle is pointless. The capacities and locations don't line up in any logical way.

This. I think high school boundaries should come first. Then, if split feeder middles can be avoided, that would be a good thing. But, I don't think they can avoid it always.

Certainly, Crossfield should be at Skyview and stay at Carson. So, it might be necessary to leave Oak Hill kids at Franklin until Fox Mill can be moved to Hughes.

If FCPS stupidly keeps Crossfield at Oakton, then move them to Franklin.

One thing that should not happen is to create multiple split feeders for a neighborhood. (ex. current Emerald Chase which goes to Oak Hill, Carson, Westfield.)
It would not have made sense to send Emerald Chase to Oak Hill before McLearen was built. They were at Floris then and made very good sense. But, after McLearen was built Oak Hill is closer/better for them.
But, now they go to Carson and then to Westfield.

Fox Mill isn’t getting moved to Hughes.

Not yet. If Fox Mill stays at SLHS, then when FCPS gets rid of middle school AAP centers and the students all go back to their zoned middle school Hughes will have room for them. Fox Mill is part of the Reston / South Lakes community. They should be at Hughes.

Fox Mill should be at Carson and then Skyview, with the other Carson kids. There are Fox Mill families that can walk to Carson. And most of us want to move.

We realize that's what you want, but Crossfield has the same argument (other than your outright lie about there being any Fox Mill students that walk to Carson). Moving Crossfield makes more sense for FCPS because it helps with Oakton overcrowding while greatly reducing their commute, and at the same time doesn't undo the 2008 boundary study that improved South Lakes. You could argue putting Crossfield at South Lakes in your place, but that doesn't make any sense when you are already there and so much closer to the Reston community served by South Lakes.

I understand your reasoning, and Scenario 1 does seem to reflect it.

But that’s not the only plausible option.

The consultants identified future residential development areas, many of which are in Reston.

Scenario 3 accounts for this future development and focuses on minimizing split feeder patterns. Under Scenario 3, Crossfield stays at Oakton and Fox Mill moves to Skyview.

+1. There is more than one reasonable option. Also, the person who said their child could be a walker to Carson wasn't lying. The walker zone for middle and high schools is 1.5 miles. While most of Fox Mill is further, the closest homes to Carson, near West Ox Road, are 1.5 miles away from Carson.

It is 100% a lie. No one is walking the 1.5+ miles down West Ox and McLearen and crossing Centreville Rd to get to Carson. The sidewalk from Carson doesn't even connect to Centreville Rd because they know no one walks that way. FCPS does have rules about crossing certain roads - my own neighborhood is directly across the street from our school and the kids that can see the school from their front door aren't allowed to be walkers because the road is too dangerous to cross.

You are right, no one is labelled as a walker for Carson because of the traffic patterns. They are within the area that kids can walk if the streets were different. Meaning, they are close to the school. And kids do walk home from Carson in our Fox Mill neighborhood, especially after the school clubs. The late bus takes such a long route that my son and his friends will decide to walk home because it is faster then the late bus. We live by Fox Mill ES.

There are plenty of kids in Fox Mill who could walk to Carson if Carson had walkers, just like there are kids from Oak Hill who could be designated walkers if Carson had walkers. Both ES are very close to Skyview. That is why kids from FMES are at Carson an should be at Skyview.

If you're putting up the straw man argument that just one house at the edge of the boundary has to be within 1.5 miles of a school to qualify the neighborhood as walkers then lots of people *could* be walkers to lots of schools, but as we've established FCPS has rules for what qualifies as a walker. Moving Fox Mill away from Carson would not be taking walkers out of their school because no kids from Fox Mill qualify as walkers according to FCPS.

I’ll be more blunt for you. Fox Mill is closer than Crossfield. Fox Mill is as close as Oak Hill is. It makes sense for Fox Mill to go there.

Avoiding a long commute to Oakton is just as relevant as proximity to Skyview.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in South Reston and was really happy to not be part of this clusterf*ck. But now I am.

Option 2 is really not ideal. Hughes and South Lakes share the same campus and are kind of an unofficial secondary school like Lake Braddock. Sending kids down to Carson, out of their community, only to put them back up to South Lakes for HS just seems weird.

Also, South Lakes is an IB school and the Hughes does the Middle Years program and the classes offered there take into account the sequencing needed to take IB classes in HS, which even if you don't pursue the full diploma, you need to obtain an advanced studies diploma. These people really don't think things through.

No one really cares about IB at the ES or MS level. Lots of kids at IB high schools haven't attended ES or MS with the PYP or MYP.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in South Reston and was really happy to not be part of this clusterf*ck. But now I am.

Option 2 is really not ideal. Hughes and South Lakes share the same campus and are kind of an unofficial secondary school like Lake Braddock. Sending kids down to Carson, out of their community, only to put them back up to South Lakes for HS just seems weird.

Also, South Lakes is an IB school and the Hughes does the Middle Years program and the classes offered there take into account the sequencing needed to take IB classes in HS, which even if you don't pursue the full diploma, you need to obtain an advanced studies diploma. These people really don't think things through.

No one really cares about IB at the ES or MS level. Lots of kids at IB high schools haven't attended ES or MS with the PYP or MYP.

PP. True, but then people complain that IB is useless because kids don't go for the full diploma. Part of the reason is that IB courses are often 2 years long and you have to get pre-reqs out of the way...in Middle School. So kids just take the Honors level of regular classes instead. I'm not debating the merits of AP vs. IB, but you do raise a good point. Maybe if they are going to put Hughes and South Lakes in this boundary mix, they need to ax the IB program and make their offerings match all the others.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in South Reston and was really happy to not be part of this clusterf*ck. But now I am.

Option 2 is really not ideal. Hughes and South Lakes share the same campus and are kind of an unofficial secondary school like Lake Braddock. Sending kids down to Carson, out of their community, only to put them back up to South Lakes for HS just seems weird.

Also, South Lakes is an IB school and the Hughes does the Middle Years program and the classes offered there take into account the sequencing needed to take IB classes in HS, which even if you don't pursue the full diploma, you need to obtain an advanced studies diploma. These people really don't think things through.

No one really cares about IB at the ES or MS level. Lots of kids at IB high schools haven't attended ES or MS with the PYP or MYP.

PP. True, but then people complain that IB is useless because kids don't go for the full diploma. Part of the reason is that IB courses are often 2 years long and you have to get pre-reqs out of the way...in Middle School. So kids just take the Honors level of regular classes instead. I'm not debating the merits of AP vs. IB, but you do raise a good point. Maybe if they are going to put Hughes and South Lakes in this boundary mix, they need to ax the IB program and make their offerings match all the others.

Dp. Not only do many kids not go to IB middle schools, there are districts that don't even offer IB in middle school. None of their high school IB students have taken an IB class prior to high school. This doesn't seem problematic at all.

All this to say, the board is not axing IB anytime soon, so all of this is irrelevant.

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Anonymous wrote:So most of Franklin MS will go to Oakton but then the poor Lees Corner kids will be the only ones there that go on to Chantilly HS? They will have no opportunity to meet kids going to Chantilly while at Franklin? That’s awful.

FCPS does not care about this. Many schools have this same problem now.

Agree. I think worrying about split feeders in middle is pointless. The capacities and locations don't line up in any logical way.

This. I think high school boundaries should come first. Then, if split feeder middles can be avoided, that would be a good thing. But, I don't think they can avoid it always.

Certainly, Crossfield should be at Skyview and stay at Carson. So, it might be necessary to leave Oak Hill kids at Franklin until Fox Mill can be moved to Hughes.

If FCPS stupidly keeps Crossfield at Oakton, then move them to Franklin.

One thing that should not happen is to create multiple split feeders for a neighborhood. (ex. current Emerald Chase which goes to Oak Hill, Carson, Westfield.)
It would not have made sense to send Emerald Chase to Oak Hill before McLearen was built. They were at Floris then and made very good sense. But, after McLearen was built Oak Hill is closer/better for them.
But, now they go to Carson and then to Westfield.

Fox Mill isn’t getting moved to Hughes.

Not yet. If Fox Mill stays at SLHS, then when FCPS gets rid of middle school AAP centers and the students all go back to their zoned middle school Hughes will have room for them. Fox Mill is part of the Reston / South Lakes community. They should be at Hughes.

Fox Mill should be at Carson and then Skyview, with the other Carson kids. There are Fox Mill families that can walk to Carson. And most of us want to move.

We realize that's what you want, but Crossfield has the same argument (other than your outright lie about there being any Fox Mill students that walk to Carson). Moving Crossfield makes more sense for FCPS because it helps with Oakton overcrowding while greatly reducing their commute, and at the same time doesn't undo the 2008 boundary study that improved South Lakes. You could argue putting Crossfield at South Lakes in your place, but that doesn't make any sense when you are already there and so much closer to the Reston community served by South Lakes.

I understand your reasoning, and Scenario 1 does seem to reflect it.

But that’s not the only plausible option.

The consultants identified future residential development areas, many of which are in Reston.

Scenario 3 accounts for this future development and focuses on minimizing split feeder patterns. Under Scenario 3, Crossfield stays at Oakton and Fox Mill moves to Skyview.

+1. There is more than one reasonable option. Also, the person who said their child could be a walker to Carson wasn't lying. The walker zone for middle and high schools is 1.5 miles. While most of Fox Mill is further, the closest homes to Carson, near West Ox Road, are 1.5 miles away from Carson.

It is 100% a lie. No one is walking the 1.5+ miles down West Ox and McLearen and crossing Centreville Rd to get to Carson. The sidewalk from Carson doesn't even connect to Centreville Rd because they know no one walks that way. FCPS does have rules about crossing certain roads - my own neighborhood is directly across the street from our school and the kids that can see the school from their front door aren't allowed to be walkers because the road is too dangerous to cross.

You are right, no one is labelled as a walker for Carson because of the traffic patterns. They are within the area that kids can walk if the streets were different. Meaning, they are close to the school. And kids do walk home from Carson in our Fox Mill neighborhood, especially after the school clubs. The late bus takes such a long route that my son and his friends will decide to walk home because it is faster then the late bus. We live by Fox Mill ES.

There are plenty of kids in Fox Mill who could walk to Carson if Carson had walkers, just like there are kids from Oak Hill who could be designated walkers if Carson had walkers. Both ES are very close to Skyview. That is why kids from FMES are at Carson an should be at Skyview.

If you're putting up the straw man argument that just one house at the edge of the boundary has to be within 1.5 miles of a school to qualify the neighborhood as walkers then lots of people *could* be walkers to lots of schools, but as we've established FCPS has rules for what qualifies as a walker. Moving Fox Mill away from Carson would not be taking walkers out of their school because no kids from Fox Mill qualify as walkers according to FCPS.

I’ll be more blunt for you. Fox Mill is closer than Crossfield. Fox Mill is as close as Oak Hill is. It makes sense for Fox Mill to go there.

Equally blunt, the commute time saved moving Crossfield to Skyview is much, much greater than the commute time saved putting Fox Mill there. Additionally, Oakton HS is already overcrowded. Moving Crossfield out makes the most sense for future capacity planning.

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Anonymous wrote:So most of Franklin MS will go to Oakton but then the poor Lees Corner kids will be the only ones there that go on to Chantilly HS? They will have no opportunity to meet kids going to Chantilly while at Franklin? That’s awful.

FCPS does not care about this. Many schools have this same problem now.

Agree. I think worrying about split feeders in middle is pointless. The capacities and locations don't line up in any logical way.

This. I think high school boundaries should come first. Then, if split feeder middles can be avoided, that would be a good thing. But, I don't think they can avoid it always.

Certainly, Crossfield should be at Skyview and stay at Carson. So, it might be necessary to leave Oak Hill kids at Franklin until Fox Mill can be moved to Hughes.

If FCPS stupidly keeps Crossfield at Oakton, then move them to Franklin.

One thing that should not happen is to create multiple split feeders for a neighborhood. (ex. current Emerald Chase which goes to Oak Hill, Carson, Westfield.)
It would not have made sense to send Emerald Chase to Oak Hill before McLearen was built. They were at Floris then and made very good sense. But, after McLearen was built Oak Hill is closer/better for them.
But, now they go to Carson and then to Westfield.

Fox Mill isn’t getting moved to Hughes.

Not yet. If Fox Mill stays at SLHS, then when FCPS gets rid of middle school AAP centers and the students all go back to their zoned middle school Hughes will have room for them. Fox Mill is part of the Reston / South Lakes community. They should be at Hughes.

Fox Mill should be at Carson and then Skyview, with the other Carson kids. There are Fox Mill families that can walk to Carson. And most of us want to move.

We realize that's what you want, but Crossfield has the same argument (other than your outright lie about there being any Fox Mill students that walk to Carson). Moving Crossfield makes more sense for FCPS because it helps with Oakton overcrowding while greatly reducing their commute, and at the same time doesn't undo the 2008 boundary study that improved South Lakes. You could argue putting Crossfield at South Lakes in your place, but that doesn't make any sense when you are already there and so much closer to the Reston community served by South Lakes.

I understand your reasoning, and Scenario 1 does seem to reflect it.

But that’s not the only plausible option.

The consultants identified future residential development areas, many of which are in Reston.

Scenario 3 accounts for this future development and focuses on minimizing split feeder patterns. Under Scenario 3, Crossfield stays at Oakton and Fox Mill moves to Skyview.

+1. There is more than one reasonable option. Also, the person who said their child could be a walker to Carson wasn't lying. The walker zone for middle and high schools is 1.5 miles. While most of Fox Mill is further, the closest homes to Carson, near West Ox Road, are 1.5 miles away from Carson.

It is 100% a lie. No one is walking the 1.5+ miles down West Ox and McLearen and crossing Centreville Rd to get to Carson. The sidewalk from Carson doesn't even connect to Centreville Rd because they know no one walks that way. FCPS does have rules about crossing certain roads - my own neighborhood is directly across the street from our school and the kids that can see the school from their front door aren't allowed to be walkers because the road is too dangerous to cross.

You are right, no one is labelled as a walker for Carson because of the traffic patterns. They are within the area that kids can walk if the streets were different. Meaning, they are close to the school. And kids do walk home from Carson in our Fox Mill neighborhood, especially after the school clubs. The late bus takes such a long route that my son and his friends will decide to walk home because it is faster then the late bus. We live by Fox Mill ES.

There are plenty of kids in Fox Mill who could walk to Carson if Carson had walkers, just like there are kids from Oak Hill who could be designated walkers if Carson had walkers. Both ES are very close to Skyview. That is why kids from FMES are at Carson an should be at Skyview.

If you're putting up the straw man argument that just one house at the edge of the boundary has to be within 1.5 miles of a school to qualify the neighborhood as walkers then lots of people *could* be walkers to lots of schools, but as we've established FCPS has rules for what qualifies as a walker. Moving Fox Mill away from Carson would not be taking walkers out of their school because no kids from Fox Mill qualify as walkers according to FCPS.

I’ll be more blunt for you. Fox Mill is closer than Crossfield. Fox Mill is as close as Oak Hill is. It makes sense for Fox Mill to go there.

Equally blunt, the commute time saved moving Crossfield to Skyview is much, much greater than the commute time saved putting Fox Mill there. Additionally, Oakton HS is already overcrowded. Moving Crossfield out makes the most sense for future capacity planning.

I agree with this - but if one community really wants to go (Fox Mill) and one doesn’t (Crossfield) what would be the harm in honoring those requests?

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Anonymous wrote:Eliminating the Bull Run split feeder and sending all those kids to Westfield makes the most sense given the number of Westfield kids who’ll be moving to Skyview. The idea of moving Lees Corner to Westfield when it’s so close to Chantilly was always odd, and it’s good that several School Board members seem to recognize that. It’s unfortunate that an out-of-town consultant came up with a bizarre proposal, but that’s been a recurring problem with the consultants hired by Reid.

The whole process is ridiculous. Two different non-local, befuddled consultant groups, five "drafty drafts" with at least two more to come, decisions based on which neighborhood has more political sway or gets in front of Reid first or has a Gatehouse "plant" or gets the most people to a meeting...

Other counties just set new boundaries
for new schools and move on. There aren't 100 pages of people arguing every time Loudoun builds a new school.

As an exurb, Loudoun schools are similar to each other. This is an apples to oranges comparison

not really. lots of differences between loudoun schools. the difference is how FCPS lets the inmates run the asylum.

That the school board and its allies think of students and families as “inmates” is a real F’ing problem. Maybe the root of all of the problems

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Anonymous wrote:So most of Franklin MS will go to Oakton but then the poor Lees Corner kids will be the only ones there that go on to Chantilly HS? They will have no opportunity to meet kids going to Chantilly while at Franklin? That’s awful.

FCPS does not care about this. Many schools have this same problem now.

Agree. I think worrying about split feeders in middle is pointless. The capacities and locations don't line up in any logical way.

This. I think high school boundaries should come first. Then, if split feeder middles can be avoided, that would be a good thing. But, I don't think they can avoid it always.

Certainly, Crossfield should be at Skyview and stay at Carson. So, it might be necessary to leave Oak Hill kids at Franklin until Fox Mill can be moved to Hughes.

If FCPS stupidly keeps Crossfield at Oakton, then move them to Franklin.

One thing that should not happen is to create multiple split feeders for a neighborhood. (ex. current Emerald Chase which goes to Oak Hill, Carson, Westfield.)
It would not have made sense to send Emerald Chase to Oak Hill before McLearen was built. They were at Floris then and made very good sense. But, after McLearen was built Oak Hill is closer/better for them.
But, now they go to Carson and then to Westfield.

Fox Mill isn’t getting moved to Hughes.

Not yet. If Fox Mill stays at SLHS, then when FCPS gets rid of middle school AAP centers and the students all go back to their zoned middle school Hughes will have room for them. Fox Mill is part of the Reston / South Lakes community. They should be at Hughes.

Fox Mill should be at Carson and then Skyview, with the other Carson kids. There are Fox Mill families that can walk to Carson. And most of us want to move.

We realize that's what you want, but Crossfield has the same argument (other than your outright lie about there being any Fox Mill students that walk to Carson). Moving Crossfield makes more sense for FCPS because it helps with Oakton overcrowding while greatly reducing their commute, and at the same time doesn't undo the 2008 boundary study that improved South Lakes. You could argue putting Crossfield at South Lakes in your place, but that doesn't make any sense when you are already there and so much closer to the Reston community served by South Lakes.

I understand your reasoning, and Scenario 1 does seem to reflect it.

But that’s not the only plausible option.

The consultants identified future residential development areas, many of which are in Reston.

Scenario 3 accounts for this future development and focuses on minimizing split feeder patterns. Under Scenario 3, Crossfield stays at Oakton and Fox Mill moves to Skyview.

+1. There is more than one reasonable option. Also, the person who said their child could be a walker to Carson wasn't lying. The walker zone for middle and high schools is 1.5 miles. While most of Fox Mill is further, the closest homes to Carson, near West Ox Road, are 1.5 miles away from Carson.

It is 100% a lie. No one is walking the 1.5+ miles down West Ox and McLearen and crossing Centreville Rd to get to Carson. The sidewalk from Carson doesn't even connect to Centreville Rd because they know no one walks that way. FCPS does have rules about crossing certain roads - my own neighborhood is directly across the street from our school and the kids that can see the school from their front door aren't allowed to be walkers because the road is too dangerous to cross.

You are right, no one is labelled as a walker for Carson because of the traffic patterns. They are within the area that kids can walk if the streets were different. Meaning, they are close to the school. And kids do walk home from Carson in our Fox Mill neighborhood, especially after the school clubs. The late bus takes such a long route that my son and his friends will decide to walk home because it is faster then the late bus. We live by Fox Mill ES.

There are plenty of kids in Fox Mill who could walk to Carson if Carson had walkers, just like there are kids from Oak Hill who could be designated walkers if Carson had walkers. Both ES are very close to Skyview. That is why kids from FMES are at Carson an should be at Skyview.

If you're putting up the straw man argument that just one house at the edge of the boundary has to be within 1.5 miles of a school to qualify the neighborhood as walkers then lots of people *could* be walkers to lots of schools, but as we've established FCPS has rules for what qualifies as a walker. Moving Fox Mill away from Carson would not be taking walkers out of their school because no kids from Fox Mill qualify as walkers according to FCPS.

I’ll be more blunt for you. Fox Mill is closer than Crossfield. Fox Mill is as close as Oak Hill is. It makes sense for Fox Mill to go there.

Equally blunt, the commute time saved moving Crossfield to Skyview is much, much greater than the commute time saved putting Fox Mill there. Additionally, Oakton HS is already overcrowded. Moving Crossfield out makes the most sense for future capacity planning.

I agree with this - but if one community really wants to go (Fox Mill) and one doesn’t (Crossfield) what would be the harm in honoring those requests?

FCPS pays for their transportation--which must certainly be significantly higher if they go to Oakton over Skyview.

Tell me which other neighborhood gets to choose their school (except, of course, for Great Falls)

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Anonymous wrote:So most of Franklin MS will go to Oakton but then the poor Lees Corner kids will be the only ones there that go on to Chantilly HS? They will have no opportunity to meet kids going to Chantilly while at Franklin? That’s awful.

FCPS does not care about this. Many schools have this same problem now.

Agree. I think worrying about split feeders in middle is pointless. The capacities and locations don't line up in any logical way.

This. I think high school boundaries should come first. Then, if split feeder middles can be avoided, that would be a good thing. But, I don't think they can avoid it always.

Certainly, Crossfield should be at Skyview and stay at Carson. So, it might be necessary to leave Oak Hill kids at Franklin until Fox Mill can be moved to Hughes.

If FCPS stupidly keeps Crossfield at Oakton, then move them to Franklin.

One thing that should not happen is to create multiple split feeders for a neighborhood. (ex. current Emerald Chase which goes to Oak Hill, Carson, Westfield.)
It would not have made sense to send Emerald Chase to Oak Hill before McLearen was built. They were at Floris then and made very good sense. But, after McLearen was built Oak Hill is closer/better for them.
But, now they go to Carson and then to Westfield.

Fox Mill isn’t getting moved to Hughes.

Not yet. If Fox Mill stays at SLHS, then when FCPS gets rid of middle school AAP centers and the students all go back to their zoned middle school Hughes will have room for them. Fox Mill is part of the Reston / South Lakes community. They should be at Hughes.

Fox Mill should be at Carson and then Skyview, with the other Carson kids. There are Fox Mill families that can walk to Carson. And most of us want to move.

We realize that's what you want, but Crossfield has the same argument (other than your outright lie about there being any Fox Mill students that walk to Carson). Moving Crossfield makes more sense for FCPS because it helps with Oakton overcrowding while greatly reducing their commute, and at the same time doesn't undo the 2008 boundary study that improved South Lakes. You could argue putting Crossfield at South Lakes in your place, but that doesn't make any sense when you are already there and so much closer to the Reston community served by South Lakes.

I understand your reasoning, and Scenario 1 does seem to reflect it.

But that’s not the only plausible option.

The consultants identified future residential development areas, many of which are in Reston.

Scenario 3 accounts for this future development and focuses on minimizing split feeder patterns. Under Scenario 3, Crossfield stays at Oakton and Fox Mill moves to Skyview.

+1. There is more than one reasonable option. Also, the person who said their child could be a walker to Carson wasn't lying. The walker zone for middle and high schools is 1.5 miles. While most of Fox Mill is further, the closest homes to Carson, near West Ox Road, are 1.5 miles away from Carson.

It is 100% a lie. No one is walking the 1.5+ miles down West Ox and McLearen and crossing Centreville Rd to get to Carson. The sidewalk from Carson doesn't even connect to Centreville Rd because they know no one walks that way. FCPS does have rules about crossing certain roads - my own neighborhood is directly across the street from our school and the kids that can see the school from their front door aren't allowed to be walkers because the road is too dangerous to cross.

You are right, no one is labelled as a walker for Carson because of the traffic patterns. They are within the area that kids can walk if the streets were different. Meaning, they are close to the school. And kids do walk home from Carson in our Fox Mill neighborhood, especially after the school clubs. The late bus takes such a long route that my son and his friends will decide to walk home because it is faster then the late bus. We live by Fox Mill ES.

There are plenty of kids in Fox Mill who could walk to Carson if Carson had walkers, just like there are kids from Oak Hill who could be designated walkers if Carson had walkers. Both ES are very close to Skyview. That is why kids from FMES are at Carson an should be at Skyview.

If you're putting up the straw man argument that just one house at the edge of the boundary has to be within 1.5 miles of a school to qualify the neighborhood as walkers then lots of people *could* be walkers to lots of schools, but as we've established FCPS has rules for what qualifies as a walker. Moving Fox Mill away from Carson would not be taking walkers out of their school because no kids from Fox Mill qualify as walkers according to FCPS.

I’ll be more blunt for you. Fox Mill is closer than Crossfield. Fox Mill is as close as Oak Hill is. It makes sense for Fox Mill to go there.

LOL! Fox Mill is close. It is NOT as close as Oak Hill. That is quite a stretch.

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Starting to hear rumblings out of gatehouse that the boundary contentiousness and ever increasing costs of renovations and additions needed at Skyview may force a shift to a magnet school. Definitely not officially happening but there have been discussions in the upper floors of gatehouse about rethinking this situation.

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Anonymous wrote:So most of Franklin MS will go to Oakton but then the poor Lees Corner kids will be the only ones there that go on to Chantilly HS? They will have no opportunity to meet kids going to Chantilly while at Franklin? That’s awful.

FCPS does not care about this. Many schools have this same problem now.

Agree. I think worrying about split feeders in middle is pointless. The capacities and locations don't line up in any logical way.

This. I think high school boundaries should come first. Then, if split feeder middles can be avoided, that would be a good thing. But, I don't think they can avoid it always.

Certainly, Crossfield should be at Skyview and stay at Carson. So, it might be necessary to leave Oak Hill kids at Franklin until Fox Mill can be moved to Hughes.

If FCPS stupidly keeps Crossfield at Oakton, then move them to Franklin.

One thing that should not happen is to create multiple split feeders for a neighborhood. (ex. current Emerald Chase which goes to Oak Hill, Carson, Westfield.)
It would not have made sense to send Emerald Chase to Oak Hill before McLearen was built. They were at Floris then and made very good sense. But, after McLearen was built Oak Hill is closer/better for them.
But, now they go to Carson and then to Westfield.

Fox Mill isn’t getting moved to Hughes.

Not yet. If Fox Mill stays at SLHS, then when FCPS gets rid of middle school AAP centers and the students all go back to their zoned middle school Hughes will have room for them. Fox Mill is part of the Reston / South Lakes community. They should be at Hughes.

Fox Mill should be at Carson and then Skyview, with the other Carson kids. There are Fox Mill families that can walk to Carson. And most of us want to move.

We realize that's what you want, but Crossfield has the same argument (other than your outright lie about there being any Fox Mill students that walk to Carson). Moving Crossfield makes more sense for FCPS because it helps with Oakton overcrowding while greatly reducing their commute, and at the same time doesn't undo the 2008 boundary study that improved South Lakes. You could argue putting Crossfield at South Lakes in your place, but that doesn't make any sense when you are already there and so much closer to the Reston community served by South Lakes.

I understand your reasoning, and Scenario 1 does seem to reflect it.

But that’s not the only plausible option.

The consultants identified future residential development areas, many of which are in Reston.

Scenario 3 accounts for this future development and focuses on minimizing split feeder patterns. Under Scenario 3, Crossfield stays at Oakton and Fox Mill moves to Skyview.

+1. There is more than one reasonable option. Also, the person who said their child could be a walker to Carson wasn't lying. The walker zone for middle and high schools is 1.5 miles. While most of Fox Mill is further, the closest homes to Carson, near West Ox Road, are 1.5 miles away from Carson.

It is 100% a lie. No one is walking the 1.5+ miles down West Ox and McLearen and crossing Centreville Rd to get to Carson. The sidewalk from Carson doesn't even connect to Centreville Rd because they know no one walks that way. FCPS does have rules about crossing certain roads - my own neighborhood is directly across the street from our school and the kids that can see the school from their front door aren't allowed to be walkers because the road is too dangerous to cross.

You are right, no one is labelled as a walker for Carson because of the traffic patterns. They are within the area that kids can walk if the streets were different. Meaning, they are close to the school. And kids do walk home from Carson in our Fox Mill neighborhood, especially after the school clubs. The late bus takes such a long route that my son and his friends will decide to walk home because it is faster then the late bus. We live by Fox Mill ES.

There are plenty of kids in Fox Mill who could walk to Carson if Carson had walkers, just like there are kids from Oak Hill who could be designated walkers if Carson had walkers. Both ES are very close to Skyview. That is why kids from FMES are at Carson an should be at Skyview.

If you're putting up the straw man argument that just one house at the edge of the boundary has to be within 1.5 miles of a school to qualify the neighborhood as walkers then lots of people *could* be walkers to lots of schools, but as we've established FCPS has rules for what qualifies as a walker. Moving Fox Mill away from Carson would not be taking walkers out of their school because no kids from Fox Mill qualify as walkers according to FCPS.

I’ll be more blunt for you. Fox Mill is closer than Crossfield. Fox Mill is as close as Oak Hill is. It makes sense for Fox Mill to go there.

Equally blunt, the commute time saved moving Crossfield to Skyview is much, much greater than the commute time saved putting Fox Mill there. Additionally, Oakton HS is already overcrowded. Moving Crossfield out makes the most sense for future capacity planning.

I agree with this - but if one community really wants to go (Fox Mill) and one doesn’t (Crossfield) what would be the harm in honoring those requests?

1. Moving Fox Mill out of South Lakes has a greater negative impact on South Lakes than moving the bulk of Crossfield now at Oakton out would have on Oakton.

2. Moving Fox Mill rather than Crossfield does less to reduce FCPS transportation costs and commuting distances.

3. Moving Fox Mill out of South Lakes reduces the pressure on FCPS to restore AP to South Lakes and eliminate IB.

4. Keeping Crossfield at Oakton would reinforce the belief that FCPS does the bidding of the loudest, wealthiest parents when it comes to boundary adjustments.

5. Moving Fox Mill rather than Crossfield does less to promote student safety on the roads.

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Anonymous wrote:So most of Franklin MS will go to Oakton but then the poor Lees Corner kids will be the only ones there that go on to Chantilly HS? They will have no opportunity to meet kids going to Chantilly while at Franklin? That’s awful.

FCPS does not care about this. Many schools have this same problem now.

Agree. I think worrying about split feeders in middle is pointless. The capacities and locations don't line up in any logical way.

This. I think high school boundaries should come first. Then, if split feeder middles can be avoided, that would be a good thing. But, I don't think they can avoid it always.

Certainly, Crossfield should be at Skyview and stay at Carson. So, it might be necessary to leave Oak Hill kids at Franklin until Fox Mill can be moved to Hughes.

If FCPS stupidly keeps Crossfield at Oakton, then move them to Franklin.

One thing that should not happen is to create multiple split feeders for a neighborhood. (ex. current Emerald Chase which goes to Oak Hill, Carson, Westfield.)
It would not have made sense to send Emerald Chase to Oak Hill before McLearen was built. They were at Floris then and made very good sense. But, after McLearen was built Oak Hill is closer/better for them.
But, now they go to Carson and then to Westfield.

Fox Mill isn’t getting moved to Hughes.

Not yet. If Fox Mill stays at SLHS, then when FCPS gets rid of middle school AAP centers and the students all go back to their zoned middle school Hughes will have room for them. Fox Mill is part of the Reston / South Lakes community. They should be at Hughes.

Fox Mill should be at Carson and then Skyview, with the other Carson kids. There are Fox Mill families that can walk to Carson. And most of us want to move.

We realize that's what you want, but Crossfield has the same argument (other than your outright lie about there being any Fox Mill students that walk to Carson). Moving Crossfield makes more sense for FCPS because it helps with Oakton overcrowding while greatly reducing their commute, and at the same time doesn't undo the 2008 boundary study that improved South Lakes. You could argue putting Crossfield at South Lakes in your place, but that doesn't make any sense when you are already there and so much closer to the Reston community served by South Lakes.

I understand your reasoning, and Scenario 1 does seem to reflect it.

But that’s not the only plausible option.

The consultants identified future residential development areas, many of which are in Reston.

Scenario 3 accounts for this future development and focuses on minimizing split feeder patterns. Under Scenario 3, Crossfield stays at Oakton and Fox Mill moves to Skyview.

+1. There is more than one reasonable option. Also, the person who said their child could be a walker to Carson wasn't lying. The walker zone for middle and high schools is 1.5 miles. While most of Fox Mill is further, the closest homes to Carson, near West Ox Road, are 1.5 miles away from Carson.

It is 100% a lie. No one is walking the 1.5+ miles down West Ox and McLearen and crossing Centreville Rd to get to Carson. The sidewalk from Carson doesn't even connect to Centreville Rd because they know no one walks that way. FCPS does have rules about crossing certain roads - my own neighborhood is directly across the street from our school and the kids that can see the school from their front door aren't allowed to be walkers because the road is too dangerous to cross.

You are right, no one is labelled as a walker for Carson because of the traffic patterns. They are within the area that kids can walk if the streets were different. Meaning, they are close to the school. And kids do walk home from Carson in our Fox Mill neighborhood, especially after the school clubs. The late bus takes such a long route that my son and his friends will decide to walk home because it is faster then the late bus. We live by Fox Mill ES.

There are plenty of kids in Fox Mill who could walk to Carson if Carson had walkers, just like there are kids from Oak Hill who could be designated walkers if Carson had walkers. Both ES are very close to Skyview. That is why kids from FMES are at Carson an should be at Skyview.

If you're putting up the straw man argument that just one house at the edge of the boundary has to be within 1.5 miles of a school to qualify the neighborhood as walkers then lots of people *could* be walkers to lots of schools, but as we've established FCPS has rules for what qualifies as a walker. Moving Fox Mill away from Carson would not be taking walkers out of their school because no kids from Fox Mill qualify as walkers according to FCPS.

I’ll be more blunt for you. Fox Mill is closer than Crossfield. Fox Mill is as close as Oak Hill is. It makes sense for Fox Mill to go there.

Avoiding a long commute to Oakton is just as relevant as proximity to Skyview.

Except Crossfield has a large contingent that is fine with that commute and Fox Mill has a large contingent that doesn’t like IB and wants AP and is closer. More people at Crossfield want to stay at Oakton.

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They should sell Skyview before they turn it into another magnet.

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Anonymous wrote:So most of Franklin MS will go to Oakton but then the poor Lees Corner kids will be the only ones there that go on to Chantilly HS? They will have no opportunity to meet kids going to Chantilly while at Franklin? That’s awful.

FCPS does not care about this. Many schools have this same problem now.

Agree. I think worrying about split feeders in middle is pointless. The capacities and locations don't line up in any logical way.

This. I think high school boundaries should come first. Then, if split feeder middles can be avoided, that would be a good thing. But, I don't think they can avoid it always.

Certainly, Crossfield should be at Skyview and stay at Carson. So, it might be necessary to leave Oak Hill kids at Franklin until Fox Mill can be moved to Hughes.

If FCPS stupidly keeps Crossfield at Oakton, then move them to Franklin.

One thing that should not happen is to create multiple split feeders for a neighborhood. (ex. current Emerald Chase which goes to Oak Hill, Carson, Westfield.)
It would not have made sense to send Emerald Chase to Oak Hill before McLearen was built. They were at Floris then and made very good sense. But, after McLearen was built Oak Hill is closer/better for them.
But, now they go to Carson and then to Westfield.

Fox Mill isn’t getting moved to Hughes.

Not yet. If Fox Mill stays at SLHS, then when FCPS gets rid of middle school AAP centers and the students all go back to their zoned middle school Hughes will have room for them. Fox Mill is part of the Reston / South Lakes community. They should be at Hughes.

Fox Mill should be at Carson and then Skyview, with the other Carson kids. There are Fox Mill families that can walk to Carson. And most of us want to move.

We realize that's what you want, but Crossfield has the same argument (other than your outright lie about there being any Fox Mill students that walk to Carson). Moving Crossfield makes more sense for FCPS because it helps with Oakton overcrowding while greatly reducing their commute, and at the same time doesn't undo the 2008 boundary study that improved South Lakes. You could argue putting Crossfield at South Lakes in your place, but that doesn't make any sense when you are already there and so much closer to the Reston community served by South Lakes.

I understand your reasoning, and Scenario 1 does seem to reflect it.

But that’s not the only plausible option.

The consultants identified future residential development areas, many of which are in Reston.

Scenario 3 accounts for this future development and focuses on minimizing split feeder patterns. Under Scenario 3, Crossfield stays at Oakton and Fox Mill moves to Skyview.

+1. There is more than one reasonable option. Also, the person who said their child could be a walker to Carson wasn't lying. The walker zone for middle and high schools is 1.5 miles. While most of Fox Mill is further, the closest homes to Carson, near West Ox Road, are 1.5 miles away from Carson.

It is 100% a lie. No one is walking the 1.5+ miles down West Ox and McLearen and crossing Centreville Rd to get to Carson. The sidewalk from Carson doesn't even connect to Centreville Rd because they know no one walks that way. FCPS does have rules about crossing certain roads - my own neighborhood is directly across the street from our school and the kids that can see the school from their front door aren't allowed to be walkers because the road is too dangerous to cross.

You are right, no one is labelled as a walker for Carson because of the traffic patterns. They are within the area that kids can walk if the streets were different. Meaning, they are close to the school. And kids do walk home from Carson in our Fox Mill neighborhood, especially after the school clubs. The late bus takes such a long route that my son and his friends will decide to walk home because it is faster then the late bus. We live by Fox Mill ES.

There are plenty of kids in Fox Mill who could walk to Carson if Carson had walkers, just like there are kids from Oak Hill who could be designated walkers if Carson had walkers. Both ES are very close to Skyview. That is why kids from FMES are at Carson an should be at Skyview.

If you're putting up the straw man argument that just one house at the edge of the boundary has to be within 1.5 miles of a school to qualify the neighborhood as walkers then lots of people *could* be walkers to lots of schools, but as we've established FCPS has rules for what qualifies as a walker. Moving Fox Mill away from Carson would not be taking walkers out of their school because no kids from Fox Mill qualify as walkers according to FCPS.

I’ll be more blunt for you. Fox Mill is closer than Crossfield. Fox Mill is as close as Oak Hill is. It makes sense for Fox Mill to go there.

Avoiding a long commute to Oakton is just as relevant as proximity to Skyview.

Except Crossfield has a large contingent that is fine with that commute and Fox Mill has a large contingent that doesn’t like IB and wants AP and is closer. More people at Crossfield want to stay at Oakton.

See 15:12. Auctioning off boundary adjustments to the highest bidder is destructive to FCPS as a whole.

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Anonymous wrote:So most of Franklin MS will go to Oakton but then the poor Lees Corner kids will be the only ones there that go on to Chantilly HS? They will have no opportunity to meet kids going to Chantilly while at Franklin? That’s awful.

FCPS does not care about this. Many schools have this same problem now.

Agree. I think worrying about split feeders in middle is pointless. The capacities and locations don't line up in any logical way.

This. I think high school boundaries should come first. Then, if split feeder middles can be avoided, that would be a good thing. But, I don't think they can avoid it always.

Certainly, Crossfield should be at Skyview and stay at Carson. So, it might be necessary to leave Oak Hill kids at Franklin until Fox Mill can be moved to Hughes.

If FCPS stupidly keeps Crossfield at Oakton, then move them to Franklin.

One thing that should not happen is to create multiple split feeders for a neighborhood. (ex. current Emerald Chase which goes to Oak Hill, Carson, Westfield.)
It would not have made sense to send Emerald Chase to Oak Hill before McLearen was built. They were at Floris then and made very good sense. But, after McLearen was built Oak Hill is closer/better for them.
But, now they go to Carson and then to Westfield.

Fox Mill isn’t getting moved to Hughes.

Not yet. If Fox Mill stays at SLHS, then when FCPS gets rid of middle school AAP centers and the students all go back to their zoned middle school Hughes will have room for them. Fox Mill is part of the Reston / South Lakes community. They should be at Hughes.

Fox Mill should be at Carson and then Skyview, with the other Carson kids. There are Fox Mill families that can walk to Carson. And most of us want to move.

We realize that's what you want, but Crossfield has the same argument (other than your outright lie about there being any Fox Mill students that walk to Carson). Moving Crossfield makes more sense for FCPS because it helps with Oakton overcrowding while greatly reducing their commute, and at the same time doesn't undo the 2008 boundary study that improved South Lakes. You could argue putting Crossfield at South Lakes in your place, but that doesn't make any sense when you are already there and so much closer to the Reston community served by South Lakes.

I understand your reasoning, and Scenario 1 does seem to reflect it.

But that’s not the only plausible option.

The consultants identified future residential development areas, many of which are in Reston.

Scenario 3 accounts for this future development and focuses on minimizing split feeder patterns. Under Scenario 3, Crossfield stays at Oakton and Fox Mill moves to Skyview.

+1. There is more than one reasonable option. Also, the person who said their child could be a walker to Carson wasn't lying. The walker zone for middle and high schools is 1.5 miles. While most of Fox Mill is further, the closest homes to Carson, near West Ox Road, are 1.5 miles away from Carson.

It is 100% a lie. No one is walking the 1.5+ miles down West Ox and McLearen and crossing Centreville Rd to get to Carson. The sidewalk from Carson doesn't even connect to Centreville Rd because they know no one walks that way. FCPS does have rules about crossing certain roads - my own neighborhood is directly across the street from our school and the kids that can see the school from their front door aren't allowed to be walkers because the road is too dangerous to cross.

You are right, no one is labelled as a walker for Carson because of the traffic patterns. They are within the area that kids can walk if the streets were different. Meaning, they are close to the school. And kids do walk home from Carson in our Fox Mill neighborhood, especially after the school clubs. The late bus takes such a long route that my son and his friends will decide to walk home because it is faster then the late bus. We live by Fox Mill ES.

There are plenty of kids in Fox Mill who could walk to Carson if Carson had walkers, just like there are kids from Oak Hill who could be designated walkers if Carson had walkers. Both ES are very close to Skyview. That is why kids from FMES are at Carson an should be at Skyview.

If you're putting up the straw man argument that just one house at the edge of the boundary has to be within 1.5 miles of a school to qualify the neighborhood as walkers then lots of people *could* be walkers to lots of schools, but as we've established FCPS has rules for what qualifies as a walker. Moving Fox Mill away from Carson would not be taking walkers out of their school because no kids from Fox Mill qualify as walkers according to FCPS.

I’ll be more blunt for you. Fox Mill is closer than Crossfield. Fox Mill is as close as Oak Hill is. It makes sense for Fox Mill to go there.

Avoiding a long commute to Oakton is just as relevant as proximity to Skyview.

Except Crossfield has a large contingent that is fine with that commute and Fox Mill has a large contingent that doesn’t like IB and wants AP and is closer. More people at Crossfield want to stay at Oakton.

That is not an objective standard.