Taylor Swift is awful (and her music isn't even very good)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh. We didn’t pay for the show.
We don’t pay for shows.

DP but no one cares.

This thread is so far afield at this point.

I have zero interest in discussing the set design for Taylor's tour (which I'm sure, like any other arena show of that level will be flawless) or how some Swift song kinda sorta has a similar theme to a U2 song (she has obviously did not plagiarize it, lots of artists write songs about live).

The long and the short of it is that Taylor Swift is an okay songwriter and performer with a strong work ethic and terrific business chops. Why is this insulting? It's not, it's a compliment and it's accurate.

But I do think it's insulting to other more talented, creative, and innovative musical artists to act like she's a terrific lyricist or composer. She's okay. She gets help from skilled collaborators, especially on composing. She doesn't have an epic hit with widespread appeal like other pop stars or other singersongwriters, and that's her weak spot. Everyone has at least one.

I’m the perplexed poster and I agree with most of this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh. We didn’t pay for the show.
We don’t pay for shows.

DP but no one cares.

This thread is so far afield at this point.

I have zero interest in discussing the set design for Taylor's tour (which I'm sure, like any other arena show of that level will be flawless) or how some Swift song kinda sorta has a similar theme to a U2 song (she has obviously did not plagiarize it, lots of artists write songs about live).

The long and the short of it is that Taylor Swift is an okay songwriter and performer with a strong work ethic and terrific business chops. Why is this insulting? It's not, it's a compliment and it's accurate.

But I do think it's insulting to other more talented, creative, and innovative musical artists to act like she's a terrific lyricist or composer. She's okay. She gets help from skilled collaborators, especially on composing. She doesn't have an epic hit with widespread appeal like other pop stars or other singersongwriters, and that's her weak spot. Everyone has at least one.

I’m the perplexed poster and I agree with most of this.

Yes, except you were the one who brought up her amazing set designs that blew away your scenic design husband, no?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh. We didn’t pay for the show.
We don’t pay for shows.

Right, because you work for her or someone connected to her in the industry. (Hmmm, maybe on the set design your husband praised so much.) Oh, I believe you.

And no, it was not a straw man argument. I was responding to what you wrote. I wouldn’t have dreamed of suggesting anything about the sets, if you hadn’t brought up Taylor’s involvement in making them happen.

You obviously work for her. We get that.

Your horrible song analysis is only eclipsed by your lack of reading comprehension.

[Anonymous]

NP. Any credibility you may have had is gone once you start in with the nutso conspiracy shit about people who disagree with you being employees of the celebrity being discussed

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh. We didn’t pay for the show.
We don’t pay for shows.

DP but no one cares.

This thread is so far afield at this point.

I have zero interest in discussing the set design for Taylor's tour (which I'm sure, like any other arena show of that level will be flawless) or how some Swift song kinda sorta has a similar theme to a U2 song (she has obviously did not plagiarize it, lots of artists write songs about live).

The long and the short of it is that Taylor Swift is an okay songwriter and performer with a strong work ethic and terrific business chops. Why is this insulting? It's not, it's a compliment and it's accurate.

But I do think it's insulting to other more talented, creative, and innovative musical artists to act like she's a terrific lyricist or composer. She's okay. She gets help from skilled collaborators, especially on composing. She doesn't have an epic hit with widespread appeal like other pop stars or other singersongwriters, and that's her weak spot. Everyone has at least one.

I’m the perplexed poster and I agree with most of this.

Yes, except you were the one who brought up her amazing set designs that blew away your scenic design husband, no?

It’s more than the design. The show is doing something different.
If you want to discuss it, start another thread. This is about how much everyone hates her songwriting or why she sounds like U2 or something. I’m not sure anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh. We didn’t pay for the show.
We don’t pay for shows.

DP but no one cares.

This thread is so far afield at this point.

I have zero interest in discussing the set design for Taylor's tour (which I'm sure, like any other arena show of that level will be flawless) or how some Swift song kinda sorta has a similar theme to a U2 song (she has obviously did not plagiarize it, lots of artists write songs about live).

The long and the short of it is that Taylor Swift is an okay songwriter and performer with a strong work ethic and terrific business chops. Why is this insulting? It's not, it's a compliment and it's accurate.

But I do think it's insulting to other more talented, creative, and innovative musical artists to act like she's a terrific lyricist or composer. She's okay. She gets help from skilled collaborators, especially on composing. She doesn't have an epic hit with widespread appeal like other pop stars or other singersongwriters, and that's her weak spot. Everyone has at least one.

I’m the perplexed poster and I agree with most of this.

Yes, except you were the one who brought up her amazing set designs that blew away your scenic design husband, no?

It’s more than the design. The show is doing something different.
If you want to discuss it, start another thread. This is about how much everyone hates her songwriting or why she sounds like U2 or something. I’m not sure anymore.

No, it’s about how mediocre her singing, lyrics, voice and looks are. I wish she sounded like U2. Then I wouldn’t be so annoyed by having to see her mug when I was trying to watch football.

[Anonymous]

JFC people. Music, along with all art, is subjective. Get off your "I know best, everyone is stupid" high horse, a-hole poster. For everyone who loves rap, there's another person who loves country, and neither is wrong. What an absolutely pathetic thread, acting like there's any right answer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh. We didn’t pay for the show.
We don’t pay for shows.

DP but no one cares.

This thread is so far afield at this point.

I have zero interest in discussing the set design for Taylor's tour (which I'm sure, like any other arena show of that level will be flawless) or how some Swift song kinda sorta has a similar theme to a U2 song (she has obviously did not plagiarize it, lots of artists write songs about live).

The long and the short of it is that Taylor Swift is an okay songwriter and performer with a strong work ethic and terrific business chops. Why is this insulting? It's not, it's a compliment and it's accurate.

But I do think it's insulting to other more talented, creative, and innovative musical artists to act like she's a terrific lyricist or composer. She's okay. She gets help from skilled collaborators, especially on composing. She doesn't have an epic hit with widespread appeal like other pop stars or other singersongwriters, and that's her weak spot. Everyone has at least one.

I’m the perplexed poster and I agree with most of this.

Yes, except you were the one who brought up her amazing set designs that blew away your scenic design husband, no?

It’s more than the design. The show is doing something different.
If you want to discuss it, start another thread. This is about how much everyone hates her songwriting or why she sounds like U2 or something. I’m not sure anymore.

I actually think this is the right thread to discuss her show.

What is the different thing it's doing? Other than how hard it is to get tickets or the fact that it's become kind of status marker with a lot of people to go to her live shows. What specifically is it about the show that is different than other similar arena shows?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP. Any credibility you may have had is gone once you start in with the nutso conspiracy shit about people who disagree with you being employees of the celebrity being discussed

I would normally agree, but PP says she’s in the industry and doesn’t pay to go to Taylor concerts. That kinda adds up to her working for her or being involved with someone who works for her.

I used to work in entertainment and I’d only get free tickets if the person was a client of some sort. Otherwise, I’d have to pay like everyone else.

It’s hardly a nutso conspiracy theory to say the a PP who goes to shows for free is somehow connected to Taylor Swift.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. Any credibility you may have had is gone once you start in with the nutso conspiracy shit about people who disagree with you being employees of the celebrity being discussed

I would normally agree, but PP says she’s in the industry and doesn’t pay to go to Taylor concerts. That kinda adds up to her working for her or being involved with someone who works for her.

I used to work in entertainment and I’d only get free tickets if the person was a client of some sort. Otherwise, I’d have to pay like everyone else.

It’s hardly a nutso conspiracy theory to say the a PP who goes to shows for free is somehow connected to Taylor Swift.

DP but I'm with you. That PP was also just being ridiculous. She was bragging about not paying for shows and she really was claiming that someone Taylor's set design on her tour (which no, she definitely did not do herself, please) is evidence of her unique greatness as a musical artist. That's ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:JFC people. Music, along with all art, is subjective. Get off your "I know best, everyone is stupid" high horse, a-hole poster. For everyone who loves rap, there's another person who loves country, and neither is wrong. What an absolutely pathetic thread, acting like there's any right answer.

Agree. I cringe as hard at some of Taylor’s lyrics as I do at Bono’s (full disclosure, I think he’s a buffoon and U2 mostly sucks). And for all the talk of Paul Simon on here there’s some superior music fan who will think his work is a bunch of insipid crap next to someone like Leonard Cohen. It’s all subjective.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh. We didn’t pay for the show.
We don’t pay for shows.

DP but no one cares.

This thread is so far afield at this point.

I have zero interest in discussing the set design for Taylor's tour (which I'm sure, like any other arena show of that level will be flawless) or how some Swift song kinda sorta has a similar theme to a U2 song (she has obviously did not plagiarize it, lots of artists write songs about live).

The long and the short of it is that Taylor Swift is an okay songwriter and performer with a strong work ethic and terrific business chops. Why is this insulting? It's not, it's a compliment and it's accurate.

But I do think it's insulting to other more talented, creative, and innovative musical artists to act like she's a terrific lyricist or composer. She's okay. She gets help from skilled collaborators, especially on composing. She doesn't have an epic hit with widespread appeal like other pop stars or other singersongwriters, and that's her weak spot. Everyone has at least one.

I’m the perplexed poster and I agree with most of this.

Taylor fan and I agree with everything about not having an epic hit. I can't think of any epic pop hits in the last 20 years. Katy Perry, Ariana Grande, Lady Gaga, none of them have a singular defining hit. Maaaybe Beyonce's Single Ladies? As I stated a few pages back, it's not due to the popularity or quality of the artist but just how the music industry is so different now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. Any credibility you may have had is gone once you start in with the nutso conspiracy shit about people who disagree with you being employees of the celebrity being discussed

I would normally agree, but PP says she’s in the industry and doesn’t pay to go to Taylor concerts. That kinda adds up to her working for her or being involved with someone who works for her.

I used to work in entertainment and I’d only get free tickets if the person was a client of some sort. Otherwise, I’d have to pay like everyone else.

It’s hardly a nutso conspiracy theory to say the a PP who goes to shows for free is somehow connected to Taylor Swift.

DP but I'm with you. That PP was also just being ridiculous. She was bragging about not paying for shows and she really was claiming that someone Taylor's set design on her tour (which no, she definitely did not do herself, please) is evidence of her unique greatness as a musical artist. That's ridiculous.

I never said she built or designed her sets. I also never said my husband was a designer. I never spoke of her musical greatness. honestly, I’m beginning to think you guys (specifically ) don’t like her music because you can’t understand language… I’m concerned about some of you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:JFC people. Music, along with all art, is subjective. Get off your "I know best, everyone is stupid" high horse, a-hole poster. For everyone who loves rap, there's another person who loves country, and neither is wrong. What an absolutely pathetic thread, acting like there's any right answer.

Agree. I cringe as hard at some of Taylor’s lyrics as I do at Bono’s (full disclosure, I think he’s a buffoon and U2 mostly sucks). And for all the talk of Paul Simon on here there’s some superior music fan who will think his work is a bunch of insipid crap next to someone like Leonard Cohen. It’s all subjective.

Of course it's subjective! That doesn't mean we shouldn't talk about it.

I think this thread exists specifically because Taylor has gotten so big and ubiquitous that people who don't like her music (which of course some people don't) want to express that. There's nothing wrong with that. It's also okay for people to talk about what they like about her music.

Sharing opinions on music is such a normal thing to do. You both sound silly acting like you can shut down debate on this subject by scolding people.

(I dislike U2 as well!)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh. We didn’t pay for the show.
We don’t pay for shows.

DP but no one cares.

This thread is so far afield at this point.

I have zero interest in discussing the set design for Taylor's tour (which I'm sure, like any other arena show of that level will be flawless) or how some Swift song kinda sorta has a similar theme to a U2 song (she has obviously did not plagiarize it, lots of artists write songs about live).

The long and the short of it is that Taylor Swift is an okay songwriter and performer with a strong work ethic and terrific business chops. Why is this insulting? It's not, it's a compliment and it's accurate.

But I do think it's insulting to other more talented, creative, and innovative musical artists to act like she's a terrific lyricist or composer. She's okay. She gets help from skilled collaborators, especially on composing. She doesn't have an epic hit with widespread appeal like other pop stars or other singersongwriters, and that's her weak spot. Everyone has at least one.

I’m the perplexed poster and I agree with most of this.

Yes, except you were the one who brought up her amazing set designs that blew away your scenic design husband, no?

It’s more than the design. The show is doing something different.
If you want to discuss it, start another thread. This is about how much everyone hates her songwriting or why she sounds like U2 or something. I’m not sure anymore.

I actually think this is the right thread to discuss her show.

What is the different thing it's doing? Other than how hard it is to get tickets or the fact that it's become kind of status marker with a lot of people to go to her live shows. What specifically is it about the show that is different than other similar arena shows?

There isn’t a similar arena show.