UVA McIntire vs UGA Terry

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we even having this discussion. UVA is a much better school. Period.

Nope. Not anymore.

46 in USNWR

& T20 public. That’s pretty darn good. Take your negativity somewhere else.

It isn’t negativity! It was a response to the statement that UVA is no longer a much better school. UVA is 26 and UGA is 46. Not insignificant. UGA is great, but not at the UVA level.

PP here. Before you bash me as a delusional UVA lover, my kid is at a school ranked in the 60s—both UGA and UVA are significantly above it. 20 spots difference just puts you in a different level of school with different peer schools.

C[b]ompletely disagree. 20 spots is pretty insignificant when compared to thousands of colleges.

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The USNWR ranking being talked about is about only 133 undergrad business programs, so a 4 (UVA McIntire) to a 29 (UGA Terry) is significant, especially when it comes to recruiting from Wall Street.

Also, UVA is a top public at 4; UGA is 19

UVA is no. 26 in top national universities; UGA is 45.

You guys are confusing USNWR rankings with other rankings. UVA is not even top 10 for undergraduate business there.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/business-overall?myCollege=business&_sort=myCollege&_sortDirection=asc

Michigan is number 4, not UVA. Neither UVA, or certainly UGA, are top 25 schools either. Nobody cares that both are top 20 “public” schools, especially for business. Business recruiting at the highest levels is very much prestige driven.

FYI - Poet and Quants is the ranking most people use for undergrad business schools, not USNWR. That is what the PP was referring to. UVA is tied at #4 with Georgetown.

Poets and quants makes regular data errors and has swings of 20 or 30 spots from year to year.

I would not obsess over any undergrad business ranking. People—and employers especially—know which business schools are in different tiers.

Biggest issue is they don't rank a school at all if they don't receive enough survey responses...that is why schools like UCB, UT Austin, UMD and others don't show up anywhere in their ranking.

Poets and Quants includes actual meaningful data like salary data, employer surveys, student surveys. USNWR is nothing more than a relatively static ranking of deans ranking schools they know little about. There is volatility in the Poets and Quants ranking due to data gaps as you mentioned, but you can look at prior year rankings or if needed USNWR to fill in the picture.

Both are flawed.

All rankings are flawed, but at least Poets and Quants works to get useful data.

That’s fine if that’s your opinion.

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I don't know why you guys are arguing endlessly about whether UVA is a better school.

The real issue at hand is that McIntire has become a total crap shoot admission. They will probably take 25% of internal applicants this year and many of the former engineering, pre-med, etc grinders are now in the pipeline (everyone in the universe wants to work in finance in 2026) so to get in you better be at the very top of the UVA cohort.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why you guys are arguing endlessly about whether UVA is a better school.

The real issue at hand is that McIntire has become a total crap shoot admission. They will probably take 25% of internal applicants this year and many of the former engineering, pre-med, etc grinders are now in the pipeline (everyone in the universe wants to work in finance in 2026) so to get in you better be at the very top of the UVA cohort.

Sounds like UVA might not be a better school after all.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why you guys are arguing endlessly about whether UVA is a better school.

The real issue at hand is that McIntire has become a total crap shoot admission. They will probably take 25% of internal applicants this year and many of the former engineering, pre-med, etc grinders are now in the pipeline (everyone in the universe wants to work in finance in 2026) so to get in you better be at the very top of the UVA cohort.

Sounds like UVA might not be a better school after all.

No, the better schools do not do direct admit because they do t have to and because they want to deject from a more mature student body = a better reputation. Google why top tier business schools do not auto-admit and you will read: “Top-tier business schools do not use automatic admission because their admissions process is based on a holistic evaluation of a candidate's potential to succeed and contribute to the school's reputation, rather than just academic metrics. Because these institutions are highly selective, with demand far exceeding the limited spots available, they rely on a rigorous, selective process to build a diverse, high-performing cohort.

Here is why top business schools do not have auto-admit:

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we even having this discussion. UVA is a much better school. Period.

Nope. Not anymore.

46 in USNWR

& T20 public. That’s pretty darn good. Take your negativity somewhere else.

It isn’t negativity! It was a response to the statement that UVA is no longer a much better school. UVA is 26 and UGA is 46. Not insignificant. UGA is great, but not at the UVA level.

PP here. Before you bash me as a delusional UVA lover, my kid is at a school ranked in the 60s—both UGA and UVA are significantly above it. 20 spots difference just puts you in a different level of school with different peer schools.

C[b]ompletely disagree. 20 spots is pretty insignificant when compared to thousands of colleges.

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The USNWR ranking being talked about is about only 133 undergrad business programs, so a 4 (UVA McIntire) to a 29 (UGA Terry) is significant, especially when it comes to recruiting from Wall Street.

Also, UVA is a top public at 4; UGA is 19

UVA is no. 26 in top national universities; UGA is 45.

You guys are confusing USNWR rankings with other rankings. UVA is not even top 10 for undergraduate business there.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/business-overall?myCollege=business&_sort=myCollege&_sortDirection=asc

Michigan is number 4, not UVA. Neither UVA, or certainly UGA, are top 25 schools either. Nobody cares that both are top 20 “public” schools, especially for business. Business recruiting at the highest levels is very much prestige driven.

FYI - Poet and Quants is the ranking most people use for undergrad business schools, not USNWR. That is what the PP was referring to. UVA is tied at #4 with Georgetown.

Poets and quants makes regular data errors and has swings of 20 or 30 spots from year to year.

I would not obsess over any undergrad business ranking. People—and employers especially—know which business schools are in different tiers.

Biggest issue is they don't rank a school at all if they don't receive enough survey responses...that is why schools like UCB, UT Austin, UMD and others don't show up anywhere in their ranking.

Poets and Quants includes actual meaningful data like salary data, employer surveys, student surveys. USNWR is nothing more than a relatively static ranking of deans ranking schools they know little about. There is volatility in the Poets and Quants ranking due to data gaps as you mentioned, but you can look at prior year rankings or if needed USNWR to fill in the picture.

Yes. Poets and Quants ranks UVA business no 4 in the nation

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we even having this discussion. UVA is a much better school. Period.

Nope. Not anymore.

46 in USNWR

& T20 public. That’s pretty darn good. Take your negativity somewhere else.

It isn’t negativity! It was a response to the statement that UVA is no longer a much better school. UVA is 26 and UGA is 46. Not insignificant. UGA is great, but not at the UVA level.

PP here. Before you bash me as a delusional UVA lover, my kid is at a school ranked in the 60s—both UGA and UVA are significantly above it. 20 spots difference just puts you in a different level of school with different peer schools.

C[b]ompletely disagree. 20 spots is pretty insignificant when compared to thousands of colleges.

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The USNWR ranking being talked about is about only 133 undergrad business programs, so a 4 (UVA McIntire) to a 29 (UGA Terry) is significant, especially when it comes to recruiting from Wall Street.

Also, UVA is a top public at 4; UGA is 19

UVA is no. 26 in top national universities; UGA is 45.

You guys are confusing USNWR rankings with other rankings. UVA is not even top 10 for undergraduate business there.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/business-overall?myCollege=business&_sort=myCollege&_sortDirection=asc

Michigan is number 4, not UVA. Neither UVA, or certainly UGA, are top 25 schools either. Nobody cares that both are top 20 “public” schools, especially for business. Business recruiting at the highest levels is very much prestige driven.

FYI - Poet and Quants is the ranking most people use for undergrad business schools, not USNWR. That is what the PP was referring to. UVA is tied at #4 with Georgetown.

Poets and quants makes regular data errors and has swings of 20 or 30 spots from year to year.

I would not obsess over any undergrad business ranking. People—and employers especially—know which business schools are in different tiers.

Biggest issue is they don't rank a school at all if they don't receive enough survey responses...that is why schools like UCB, UT Austin, UMD and others don't show up anywhere in their ranking.

Poets and Quants includes actual meaningful data like salary data, employer surveys, student surveys. USNWR is nothing more than a relatively static ranking of deans ranking schools they know little about. There is volatility in the Poets and Quants ranking due to data gaps as you mentioned, but you can look at prior year rankings or if needed USNWR to fill in the picture.

Yes. Poets and Quants ranks UVA business no 4 in the nation

Erroneous ranking service. See 2/19 9:05.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we even having this discussion. UVA is a much better school. Period.

Nope. Not anymore.

46 in USNWR

& T20 public. That’s pretty darn good. Take your negativity somewhere else.

It isn’t negativity! It was a response to the statement that UVA is no longer a much better school. UVA is 26 and UGA is 46. Not insignificant. UGA is great, but not at the UVA level.

PP here. Before you bash me as a delusional UVA lover, my kid is at a school ranked in the 60s—both UGA and UVA are significantly above it. 20 spots difference just puts you in a different level of school with different peer schools.

C[b]ompletely disagree. 20 spots is pretty insignificant when compared to thousands of colleges.

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The USNWR ranking being talked about is about only 133 undergrad business programs, so a 4 (UVA McIntire) to a 29 (UGA Terry) is significant, especially when it comes to recruiting from Wall Street.

Also, UVA is a top public at 4; UGA is 19

UVA is no. 26 in top national universities; UGA is 45.

The ranking being talked about is national public universities in which both are T20. Try to keep up.

Actually, we were talking about the national ranking- 26 vs 46. Keep up.

Another insignificant difference. [b]Keep up.

HAH! UVA undergrad business outranks UGA on every ranking service, and its grad program (related reputationally and many UVA undergrads go on to it (they get preference)?is rated no. 1 public by the Financial Times. And Bloomberg lists it as no. 3 U. S. Business School:

The University of Virginia’s McIntire School of Commerce is consistently ranked as a top-five undergraduate business program in the U.S., frequently securing the #4 spot in Poets&Quants’ 2025 rankings. It is widely recognized as one of the top public undergraduate business schools, offering highly competitive admissions and strong career outcomes.

#4 in the U.S. and #1 public school, according to Poets&Quants for Undergrads, 2025.

#12 in the U.S. in the U.S. News & World Report 2025 rankings.

The program is known for its intensive, integrated core curriculum and high placement rates in consulting, finance, and marketing.

Key Rankings for UVA Darden (Graduate - Relevant to Overall Reputation)
#1 public business school in the world by Financial Times (2024).
#3 U.S. business school according to Bloomberg Businessweek (2023).

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Anonymous wrote:They should just do direct admit.

test required or must submit test scores. plus AP scores in micro, macro, and calc ab (or bc) if classes were offered.

Don’t they consider your SAT/ACT score on your McIntire application if you submitted it when you applied to UVA? I heard a high SAT/ACT helps you get into McIntire.

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On a UVA parent FB page recently, a parent posted about her older kid's great experience in McIntire and was hoping her second kid was going to get in too. A McIntire professor commented on the post (she has a student currently at UVA and had taught the OP's student previously) and said -

To those who don’t get in and still want some business classes, please consider the General Business, Leadership or Entrepreneurship Minors, the Pathways to MSA and MSA (for those interested in accounting), or the Masters in Commerce or Global Commerce. The McInitre pre-professional masters programs (MSA, MSC and MSGC) are about one year long; some non-McIntire undergrad students will finish their UG in three years and then get their masters during their fourth year.

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Anonymous wrote:They should just do direct admit.

test required or must submit test scores. plus AP scores in micro, macro, and calc ab (or bc) if classes were offered.

Don’t they consider your SAT/ACT score on your McIntire application if you submitted it when you applied to UVA? I heard a high SAT/ACT helps you get into McIntire.

My DS, who just got into McIntire, said he did not have to submit SAT scores. No letters of rec. Just grades and 5 essays.

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Congrats to your student! Mine is telling me all his friends got rejected, except one with a 4.0. Can you share stats? GPA, clubs, activities?

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The only kids I know who got in are OOS-the whole mega wealth private school from the south crowd. Lots of them got in per my daughter who didn't apply.

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Anonymous wrote:The only kids I know who got in are OOS-the whole mega wealth private school from the south crowd. Lots of them got in per my daughter who didn't apply.

Isn’t the mega wealth private school crowd from DC, NYC, and CA? What private schools in the south?

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Anonymous wrote:Congrats to your student! Mine is telling me all his friends got rejected, except one with a 4.0. Can you share stats? GPA, clubs, activities?

Thanks, he really wasn't sure if McIntire would be his path - he started 1st year aiming to get involved in clubs that would give him an idea about a business track, a law track, and something skill building (and social too)! He got into/accepted positions in SEED Consulting, Honor, and the Jefferson Literary & Debating Society first semester and pledged a fraternity second semester.

He has really enjoyed SEED, which sparked more of an interest in applying to McIntire. He had all As except an A- in ironically Econ -- took history courses, an intro to data science, and language classes).

BTW to the other posters asking re private school - he's an FCPS full IB graduate. He knows a bunch of kids that got in and I know many of them were public school kids as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Congrats to your student! Mine is telling me all his friends got rejected, except one with a 4.0. Can you share stats? GPA, clubs, activities?

Thanks, he really wasn't sure if McIntire would be his path - he started 1st year aiming to get involved in clubs that would give him an idea about a business track, a law track, and something skill building (and social too)! He got into/accepted positions in SEED Consulting, Honor, and the Jefferson Literary & Debating Society first semester and pledged a fraternity second semester.

He has really enjoyed SEED, which sparked more of an interest in applying to McIntire. He had all As except an A- in ironically Econ -- took history courses, an intro to data science, and language classes).

BTW to the other posters asking re private school - he's an FCPS full IB graduate. He knows a bunch of kids that got in and I know many of them were public school kids as well.

Congrats to you son! He is clearly a superstar. He got into 3 of the most prestigious clubs/activities at UVA: a top business club (SEED), Honor Committee, and the Jefferson Literary & Debating Society. Plus he had all As. PP should know that this isn’t a typical McIntire applicant.