Alternative to ICE

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Didn’t read the whole thread but I have been wondering how prior administrations removed deportees. It seems it was humane?

Lack of media driving outrage cycles. Republican, especially Trump, means maximum outrage over everything. Then it becomes a self-defeating cycle of escalation.

Bingo. And DUH Democrats. There werent cellphone cameras recording everything and organized dark money including Democrat officials (see: Signal Chat) creating chaos via stalking, doxxing, physical attacks and interference. This is all done due to TDS with the goal of attempting to destroy Trump, with the complicity of the legacy media. Anyone with a brain sees this, only DCUM TDS is so drunk on their hatred of Trump they'll disregard law & order, as we saw in 2020.

Just imagine if these same people did the same thing after Obama's Kids in Cages procedure. Surely there were people removed from 2020-2024, and it wasnt done in the dark. You're telling me all of those deportees didnt try to flee or go crying and screaming, and no one saw it? That's because no one was interested in filming, because it didnt fit the narrative.

Bottom line is illegals, particularly the convicted criminal ones will say anything to remain in and get a sob story started, and the media is happy to oblige.

IF Democrats are so OK with the "we agree this should be just the bad one's".....then why are all these Democrat cities refusing to hand over those caught, or those in jail? We're talking really scum of the earthers who are in jail on our dime. NYC has 10-15 thousand of these in jails, that they refuse to allow access to. This is what Democrats defend.

+1

I'll add why is Keith Ellison, the MN AG in that chat list as well as the Lt. Governor of MN being an admin for that Signal chat?

OOPS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How to we remove overstays and undocumented persons without indiscriminately brutalizing entire populations?

I don’t know, OP. You’re always telling us about how other nations enforce their immigration laws, and they manage to do it without laying siege to entire cities, so how about you ask them? Some even manage to do it without any guns at all!

With all the data and surveillance software ICE has, they could do 99% of their jobs right from their desks, using their tools and some basic brain skills. A couple of on the ground eVerify audits would help too. You could enforce deportation orders if you had enough judges on staff to review cases and issue the orders.

The problem is some very small brained right wingers have equated effectiveness with showing force. Trump’s ICE has been a miserable failure at its stated goal of deporting dangerous criminals. They can’t even get a list to hand over to the local jails saying these are the people we want to deport - they want local officials to do their work for them so they can cosplay as war heroes on the rough streets of…check notes…rural Minnesota.

People have deportation orders and dont leave. the big argument against changing asylum laws is that most dont qualify and are ordered to leave. However, they dont leave, start lives, have kids and your argument to not remove them is that they are "americans".

you HAVE to physically remove people and that will never change.

Also there is only ONE city under "siege". ICE is everywhere but only one state has this going on. thats a symptom of Minnesota's leadership.

not to mention almost all Blue cities/states have decided to not work with ICE at all. so yeah, you have to have a organization that finds and removes people from the country.

The blue states are refusing to do ICE’s job for them, such as holding people longer than the law permits (at local taxpayer expense) so ICE can sit on their butts instead of putting in the work and getting the proper warrants. Local authorities are also refusing to play detective, such as by figuring out the legal status of every soul passed out in the drunk tank.

No blue state will refuse to comply with legal papers. Since having the correct paperwork is so important to ICE, isn’t it reasonable to expect they get their own paperwork right and in their own dime?

this isnt true. blue states refuse to even let ICE know they have someone who has an ICE detainer and let them go free in the streets. its deliberate to never have to expel an illegal out of the country.

This is the weirdest part. If they let ICE get the criminals, then ICE could make their quotas without having to get the regular illegals. Its essentially protecting the criminal element with human shields.

Minnesota already hands over undocumented immigrants to ICE who have committed crimes; they honor ICE detainers. That didn't stop the current Administration from all the wild tactics and the insane rhetoric.

Maybe they did for the most violent convicted offenders. There used to be cooperation for criminals who are already convicted AND for a violent offense but not for suspects, and not for felonies, misdemeanors, and other offenses that are not murder or similar. This gets a ton of offenders back on the streets; embezzlement, harassment, domestic abuse, theft, DUIs, destruction of property, … All not covered. The bar was always high for involving border patrol in many states/counties. Others may have had a lower bar. Some were somewhere in between. Inconsistent procedures throughout the U.S., basically left up to localities.

[Anonymous]

I think there are tough but humane ways you can deal with illegal immigration. You have to attack everything that makes illegal immigration appealing in order to stop it. Address the fundamental root of the problems, and no need for all of the billions of dollars down the drain to employ Nazis, build concentration camps, and tear apart the constitution.

You have to make it unbearable or nearly impossible to live in the US illegally. Once you do that, illegal immigration will stop on its own.


1) Require all employers to prove I9 verification and have e-verify, period. If they cannot match revenue streams and income with an amount of labor that makes sense because they’re hiring illegal immigrants under the table, it should be $100,000 fines for every offense, or jail time if they can’t pay. Enough is enough. E-verify, period.

2) Require legal residency to obtain housing. Every single landlord should be required to obtain proof of legal residency before they are allowed to rent a property to an individual. If they violate the law, seize their property or massive fines.

3) Heavily tax overseas remittances after 2 or 3 transactions, unless legitimate purposes can be verified. Many illegal immigrants earn money in the US to send home and then just return home. Impose steep taxes on remittances that make it almost not worthwhile at all.


4) Prohibit all states from allowing licenses and auto insurance to be obtained for anyone that cannot provide proof of legal residency. Make car ownership also impossible without proof of legal residency. If you make it harder to commute to jobs, it will also thwart motivation for coming to the US illegally.

5) Prohibit enrollment in schools. This one is very controversial and would require constitutional amendments, but if you prevent undocumented individuals from enrolling in our schools, you remove huge motivation for people to come to the US illegally.

6) Prevent anyone without legal residency from being able to open up a bank account or payment apps. Proof of legal residency also needs to be required to cash any checks. If you make it impossible to use the banking system and make it very difficult to obtain money, it is almost impossible to live in the US.

Of course these are rough ideas that need refinement. The point is that you have to make life, very difficult to nearly impossible for anyone who arrives here illegally. Even if they slip through, their life is going to be difficult because the country has built in mechanisms to make life in the US untenable.

Remove all the incentives to come to the US illegally and people stop coming. None of the cruelty is required.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How to we remove overstays and undocumented persons without indiscriminately brutalizing entire populations?

I don’t know, OP. You’re always telling us about how other nations enforce their immigration laws, and they manage to do it without laying siege to entire cities, so how about you ask them? Some even manage to do it without any guns at all!

With all the data and surveillance software ICE has, they could do 99% of their jobs right from their desks, using their tools and some basic brain skills. A couple of on the ground eVerify audits would help too. You could enforce deportation orders if you had enough judges on staff to review cases and issue the orders.

The problem is some very small brained right wingers have equated effectiveness with showing force. Trump’s ICE has been a miserable failure at its stated goal of deporting dangerous criminals. They can’t even get a list to hand over to the local jails saying these are the people we want to deport - they want local officials to do their work for them so they can cosplay as war heroes on the rough streets of…check notes…rural Minnesota.

The other countries either let in nearly everyone, or they haven't let them in in the past, so they don't have much of a population to deal with. We are looking at 15-20 million illegal immigrants in the US.

Your numbers are over every reliable estimate of the number of undocumented persons living in the US. Those numbers of people Biden "allowed into the US"? those numbers came from CBP encounters near the border of people who were removed at the time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Restore the original name of INS (Immigration and Naturalization Services)--the choice of ICE was deliberate to represent force. The stuff ICE is doing with arresting and deporting people is also just one side of ICE, the other part is immigration SERVICES.

Provide avenues for people to legalize their status. This has never been a walk in the park as people think (guy who led a local training for activists was undocumented for 25 years before he finally obtained legal status). Allow immigration judges to apply the law as they used to instead of firing them just because they aren't deciding what Miller wants them to. Get rid of Miller and Noem. Discipl0ine agents who steal passports (happened yesterday to an Indian-American man in Minnesota, he was going to Walmart, agent stopped him, he showed his passport to provide his lawful presence, agent told him he didn't need it and kept it), threaten people ("if you raise your voice I'm going to erase your voice"), stop mass deployments for purely partisan reasons, assign agents based on population counts instead of who happens to be governor.

Plenty could be done.

The original name of ICE was the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (BICE). The FBI objected to another federal law enforcement agency having “Bureau” in its name so they omitted it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Didn’t read the whole thread but I have been wondering how prior administrations removed deportees. It seems it was humane?

Lack of media driving outrage cycles. Republican, especially Trump, means maximum outrage over everything. Then it becomes a self-defeating cycle of escalation.

Bingo. And DUH Democrats. There werent cellphone cameras recording everything and organized dark money including Democrat officials (see: Signal Chat) creating chaos via stalking, doxxing, physical attacks and interference. This is all done due to TDS with the goal of attempting to destroy Trump, with the complicity of the legacy media. Anyone with a brain sees this, only DCUM TDS is so drunk on their hatred of Trump they'll disregard law & order, as we saw in 2020.

Just imagine if these same people did the same thing after Obama's Kids in Cages procedure. Surely there were people removed from 2020-2024, and it wasnt done in the dark. You're telling me all of those deportees didnt try to flee or go crying and screaming, and no one saw it? That's because no one was interested in filming, because it didnt fit the narrative.

Bottom line is illegals, particularly the convicted criminal ones will say anything to remain in and get a sob story started, and the media is happy to oblige.

IF Democrats are so OK with the "we agree this should be just the bad one's".....then why are all these Democrat cities refusing to hand over those caught, or those in jail? We're talking really scum of the earthers who are in jail on our dime. NYC has 10-15 thousand of these in jails, that they refuse to allow access to. This is what Democrats defend.

So now we’re blaming the video for showing things that are inconvenient to MAGA talking points. It might be time to take a breather. You all are losing more and more control of the message with each passing day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:if ICE cant remove criminals, visa overstays, denied asylum, and court ordered removals, how do you get illegals out of the country.

otherwise its basically open borders.

you are saying once you get here, you dont have to leave

I'm good with this. I'd rather have illegal immigrants than MAGA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:if ICE cant remove criminals, visa overstays, denied asylum, and court ordered removals, how do you get illegals out of the country.

otherwise its basically open borders.

you are saying once you get here, you dont have to leave

I'm good with this. I'd rather have illegal immigrants than MAGA.

Illegal immigrants is what made MAGA a thing. Trump recognized that in his first campaign.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How to we remove overstays and undocumented persons without indiscriminately brutalizing entire populations?

I don’t know, OP. You’re always telling us about how other nations enforce their immigration laws, and they manage to do it without laying siege to entire cities, so how about you ask them? Some even manage to do it without any guns at all!

With all the data and surveillance software ICE has, they could do 99% of their jobs right from their desks, using their tools and some basic brain skills. A couple of on the ground eVerify audits would help too. You could enforce deportation orders if you had enough judges on staff to review cases and issue the orders.

The problem is some very small brained right wingers have equated effectiveness with showing force. Trump’s ICE has been a miserable failure at its stated goal of deporting dangerous criminals. They can’t even get a list to hand over to the local jails saying these are the people we want to deport - they want local officials to do their work for them so they can cosplay as war heroes on the rough streets of…check notes…rural Minnesota.

The other countries either let in nearly everyone, or they haven't let them in in the past, so they don't have much of a population to deal with. We are looking at 15-20 million illegal immigrants in the US.

Your numbers are over every reliable estimate of the number of undocumented persons living in the US. Those numbers of people Biden "allowed into the US"? those numbers came from CBP encounters near the border of people who were removed at the time.

Inflation effects all part of our economy except the undocumented. The offical number has been the same for nearly 20 years!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How to we remove overstays and undocumented persons without indiscriminately brutalizing entire populations?

I don’t know, OP. You’re always telling us about how other nations enforce their immigration laws, and they manage to do it without laying siege to entire cities, so how about you ask them? Some even manage to do it without any guns at all!

With all the data and surveillance software ICE has, they could do 99% of their jobs right from their desks, using their tools and some basic brain skills. A couple of on the ground eVerify audits would help too. You could enforce deportation orders if you had enough judges on staff to review cases and issue the orders.

The problem is some very small brained right wingers have equated effectiveness with showing force. Trump’s ICE has been a miserable failure at its stated goal of deporting dangerous criminals. They can’t even get a list to hand over to the local jails saying these are the people we want to deport - they want local officials to do their work for them so they can cosplay as war heroes on the rough streets of…check notes…rural Minnesota.

The other countries either let in nearly everyone, or they haven't let them in in the past, so they don't have much of a population to deal with. We are looking at 15-20 million illegal immigrants in the US.

Your numbers are over every reliable estimate of the number of undocumented persons living in the US. Those numbers of people Biden "allowed into the US"? those numbers came from CBP encounters near the border of people who were removed at the time.

Inflation effects all part of our economy except the undocumented. The offical number has been the same for nearly 20 years!

It really is quite magical how the number has remained at 11 million! We must’ve just imagined the migrant hordes, I mean caravans, from the Biden era!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn’t read the whole thread but I have been wondering how prior administrations removed deportees. It seems it was humane?

Lack of media driving outrage cycles. Republican, especially Trump, means maximum outrage over everything. Then it becomes a self-defeating cycle of escalation.

Bingo. And DUH Democrats. There werent cellphone cameras recording everything and organized dark money including Democrat officials (see: Signal Chat) creating chaos via stalking, doxxing, physical attacks and interference. This is all done due to TDS with the goal of attempting to destroy Trump, with the complicity of the legacy media. Anyone with a brain sees this, only DCUM TDS is so drunk on their hatred of Trump they'll disregard law & order, as we saw in 2020.

Just imagine if these same people did the same thing after Obama's Kids in Cages procedure. Surely there were people removed from 2020-2024, and it wasnt done in the dark. You're telling me all of those deportees didnt try to flee or go crying and screaming, and no one saw it? That's because no one was interested in filming, because it didnt fit the narrative.

Bottom line is illegals, particularly the convicted criminal ones will say anything to remain in and get a sob story started, and the media is happy to oblige.

IF Democrats are so OK with the "we agree this should be just the bad one's".....then why are all these Democrat cities refusing to hand over those caught, or those in jail? We're talking really scum of the earthers who are in jail on our dime. NYC has 10-15 thousand of these in jails, that they refuse to allow access to. This is what Democrats defend.

So now we’re blaming the video for showing things that are inconvenient to MAGA talking points. It might be time to take a breather. You all are losing more and more control of the message with each passing day.

No they are blaming democrat rhetoric and disinformation in order to rile up their base. I lost count of how many time i saw the talking point that ice officers weren’t law enforcement. I wonder if Good would have been there if she knew that ice were legit law enforcement?

Democrats are mad they have very little power on the federal level. This is an amped up version of how they behaved under trumps first term. Last time it was kept mostly in the federal govt. but this time around he’s purged everyone that would give resistance. So now Dems have to use civilians to try to get what they want. Which will of course play into the hands of Trump et al. Since Trump has power.

[Anonymous]

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ICE has to appear at the businesses to pick up illegals, and again Democrats will be in the streets obstructing them.

Why are you worried about the undocument immigrants who are busy working?

Just go after the ones you know have committed a violent crime. (They probably aren't working anyhow.)

The guys who are just working in a meatpacking plant or landscaping crews are just trying to raise money and take care of their families. Take all your manpower and just go after the actual criminals.

To do that, ICE has to admit that one of two things are true: (1) they are too incompetent to find the criminals, despite claiming the criminals terrorizing everyone on the streets; or (2) they got all the criminals, and the danger doesn’t exist.

3) law enforcement of sanctuary cities should turn over those illegal immigrants that were arrested for crimes.

[Anonymous]

lol

Is there nothing that is too dumb for Trump?


Trump backs idea of changing ICE’s name to ‘NICE’
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5850705-rename-ice-nice-trump/

President Trump on Sunday endorsed the idea of changing the name of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to National Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which would give the agency the acronym NICE.

The idea was promoted by conservative influencer Alyssa Marie last month.

“I want Trump to change ICE to NICE (National Immigration and Customs Enforcement) so the media has to say NICE agents all day everyday,” Marie wrote in a March post on social platform X.

Late Sunday evening, the president publicly endorsed the switch.

“GREAT IDEA!!! DO IT,” Trump wrote in a Truth Social post.

Other conservative influencers chimed in with statements of support.

“100% agree! Make it happen, @SecMullinDHS!” Nick Sortor wrote in a post on X, urging Secretary of Homeland Security Markwayne Mullin to support the change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:lol

Is there nothing that is too dumb for Trump?


Trump backs idea of changing ICE’s name to ‘NICE’
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5850705-rename-ice-nice-trump/

President Trump on Sunday endorsed the idea of changing the name of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to National Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which would give the agency the acronym NICE.

The idea was promoted by conservative influencer Alyssa Marie last month.

“I want Trump to change ICE to NICE (National Immigration and Customs Enforcement) so the media has to say NICE agents all day everyday,” Marie wrote in a March post on social platform X.

Late Sunday evening, the president publicly endorsed the switch.

“GREAT IDEA!!! DO IT,” Trump wrote in a Truth Social post.

Other conservative influencers chimed in with statements of support.

“100% agree! Make it happen, @SecMullinDHS!” Nick Sortor wrote in a post on X, urging Secretary of Homeland Security Markwayne Mullin to support the change.

Perfect. More 1984 stuff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They need to overhaul the legal process. They need to structure it so it is open to all and not just people of higher means. The government needs to stop going after undocumented immigrants and start going after businesses. If you make it impossible to get work here, people will not come. They are coming to improve their lives and the lives of their children. Break the ability to earn money and they won’t come.

Certainly going after businesses is important both as employers and those providing services.

Though I think it's not sufficient, plenty of black market/under the table economy unless you're thinking like doing lawnmower stings, even then there are plenty of people paying their cousin under the table letting them live illegally subletting like my neighbor.