Alternative to ICE

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How to we remove overstays and undocumented persons without indiscriminately brutalizing entire populations?

I don’t know, OP. You’re always telling us about how other nations enforce their immigration laws, and they manage to do it without laying siege to entire cities, so how about you ask them? Some even manage to do it without any guns at all!

With all the data and surveillance software ICE has, they could do 99% of their jobs right from their desks, using their tools and some basic brain skills. A couple of on the ground eVerify audits would help too. You could enforce deportation orders if you had enough judges on staff to review cases and issue the orders.

The problem is some very small brained right wingers have equated effectiveness with showing force. Trump’s ICE has been a miserable failure at its stated goal of deporting dangerous criminals. They can’t even get a list to hand over to the local jails saying these are the people we want to deport - they want local officials to do their work for them so they can cosplay as war heroes on the rough streets of…check notes…rural Minnesota.

People have deportation orders and dont leave. the big argument against changing asylum laws is that most dont qualify and are ordered to leave. However, they dont leave, start lives, have kids and your argument to not remove them is that they are "americans".

you HAVE to physically remove people and that will never change.

Also there is only ONE city under "siege". ICE is everywhere but only one state has this going on. thats a symptom of Minnesota's leadership.

not to mention almost all Blue cities/states have decided to not work with ICE at all. so yeah, you have to have a organization that finds and removes people from the country.

[Anonymous]

Millions were deported under Obama. If you approach the process with decency then the people won't protest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How to we remove overstays and undocumented persons without indiscriminately brutalizing entire populations?

I don’t know, OP. You’re always telling us about how other nations enforce their immigration laws, and they manage to do it without laying siege to entire cities, so how about you ask them? Some even manage to do it without any guns at all!

With all the data and surveillance software ICE has, they could do 99% of their jobs right from their desks, using their tools and some basic brain skills. A couple of on the ground eVerify audits would help too. You could enforce deportation orders if you had enough judges on staff to review cases and issue the orders.

The problem is some very small brained right wingers have equated effectiveness with showing force. Trump’s ICE has been a miserable failure at its stated goal of deporting dangerous criminals. They can’t even get a list to hand over to the local jails saying these are the people we want to deport - they want local officials to do their work for them so they can cosplay as war heroes on the rough streets of…check notes…rural Minnesota.

People have deportation orders and dont leave. the big argument against changing asylum laws is that most dont qualify and are ordered to leave. However, they dont leave, start lives, have kids and your argument to not remove them is that they are "americans".

you HAVE to physically remove people and that will never change.

Also there is only ONE city under "siege". ICE is everywhere but only one state has this going on. thats a symptom of Minnesota's leadership.

Our long-standing need for immigration reform has much more to do with the need for easier pathways for economic migrants to work in the US legally than it does with the need for asylum protocol reform. Asylum claims have given economic migrants a pathway to enter the US but only a small percentage come with viable asylum claims.

Needless to say, Biden’s let them all in policy and Trump's kick them all out policy have been embarrassing disasters and of course Congress has continued to fail to produce comprehensive immigration law reform.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How to we remove overstays and undocumented persons without indiscriminately brutalizing entire populations?

I don’t know, OP. You’re always telling us about how other nations enforce their immigration laws, and they manage to do it without laying siege to entire cities, so how about you ask them? Some even manage to do it without any guns at all!

With all the data and surveillance software ICE has, they could do 99% of their jobs right from their desks, using their tools and some basic brain skills. A couple of on the ground eVerify audits would help too. You could enforce deportation orders if you had enough judges on staff to review cases and issue the orders.

The problem is some very small brained right wingers have equated effectiveness with showing force. Trump’s ICE has been a miserable failure at its stated goal of deporting dangerous criminals. They can’t even get a list to hand over to the local jails saying these are the people we want to deport - they want local officials to do their work for them so they can cosplay as war heroes on the rough streets of…check notes…rural Minnesota.

People have deportation orders and dont leave. the big argument against changing asylum laws is that most dont qualify and are ordered to leave. However, they dont leave, start lives, have kids and your argument to not remove them is that they are "americans".

you HAVE to physically remove people and that will never change.

Also there is only ONE city under "siege". ICE is everywhere but only one state has this going on. thats a symptom of Minnesota's leadership.

There’s so much stupid in here I have to wonder - did you come in on a short bus? Come back when you’re ready to read and educate yourself before spouting off easily disproved nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How to we remove overstays and undocumented persons without indiscriminately brutalizing entire populations?

I don’t know, OP. You’re always telling us about how other nations enforce their immigration laws, and they manage to do it without laying siege to entire cities, so how about you ask them? Some even manage to do it without any guns at all!

With all the data and surveillance software ICE has, they could do 99% of their jobs right from their desks, using their tools and some basic brain skills. A couple of on the ground eVerify audits would help too. You could enforce deportation orders if you had enough judges on staff to review cases and issue the orders.

The problem is some very small brained right wingers have equated effectiveness with showing force. Trump’s ICE has been a miserable failure at its stated goal of deporting dangerous criminals. They can’t even get a list to hand over to the local jails saying these are the people we want to deport - they want local officials to do their work for them so they can cosplay as war heroes on the rough streets of…check notes…rural Minnesota.

People have deportation orders and dont leave. the big argument against changing asylum laws is that most dont qualify and are ordered to leave. However, they dont leave, start lives, have kids and your argument to not remove them is that they are "americans".

you HAVE to physically remove people and that will never change.

Also there is only ONE city under "siege". ICE is everywhere but only one state has this going on. thats a symptom of Minnesota's leadership.

not to mention almost all Blue cities/states have decided to not work with ICE at all. so yeah, you have to have a organization that finds and removes people from the country.

The blue states are refusing to do ICE’s job for them, such as holding people longer than the law permits (at local taxpayer expense) so ICE can sit on their butts instead of putting in the work and getting the proper warrants. Local authorities are also refusing to play detective, such as by figuring out the legal status of every soul passed out in the drunk tank.

No blue state will refuse to comply with legal papers. Since having the correct paperwork is so important to ICE, isn’t it reasonable to expect they get their own paperwork right and in their own dime?

[Anonymous]

Why do they have to to roam the streets, demanding that every person they meet “show their papers”, do drive by pepper spray at people just walking to the bus stop, breaking down doors “because we feel like it”?
They don’t. They can unmask, unarmed, calmly and rationally confirm addresses and names, etc.
One of the biggest problems is employers, why not go over their paperwork and shut them down until they can verify each employee.
Why terrorize innocent citizens?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How to we remove overstays and undocumented persons without indiscriminately brutalizing entire populations?

I don’t know, OP. You’re always telling us about how other nations enforce their immigration laws, and they manage to do it without laying siege to entire cities, so how about you ask them? Some even manage to do it without any guns at all!

With all the data and surveillance software ICE has, they could do 99% of their jobs right from their desks, using their tools and some basic brain skills. A couple of on the ground eVerify audits would help too. You could enforce deportation orders if you had enough judges on staff to review cases and issue the orders.

The problem is some very small brained right wingers have equated effectiveness with showing force. Trump’s ICE has been a miserable failure at its stated goal of deporting dangerous criminals. They can’t even get a list to hand over to the local jails saying these are the people we want to deport - they want local officials to do their work for them so they can cosplay as war heroes on the rough streets of…check notes…rural Minnesota.

People have deportation orders and dont leave. the big argument against changing asylum laws is that most dont qualify and are ordered to leave. However, they dont leave, start lives, have kids and your argument to not remove them is that they are "americans".

you HAVE to physically remove people and that will never change.

Also there is only ONE city under "siege". ICE is everywhere but only one state has this going on. thats a symptom of Minnesota's leadership.

not to mention almost all Blue cities/states have decided to not work with ICE at all. so yeah, you have to have a organization that finds and removes people from the country.

The blue states are refusing to do ICE’s job for them, such as holding people longer than the law permits (at local taxpayer expense) so ICE can sit on their butts instead of putting in the work and getting the proper warrants. Local authorities are also refusing to play detective, such as by figuring out the legal status of every soul passed out in the drunk tank.

No blue state will refuse to comply with legal papers. Since having the correct paperwork is so important to ICE, isn’t it reasonable to expect they get their own paperwork right and in their own dime?

this isnt true. blue states refuse to even let ICE know they have someone who has an ICE detainer and let them go free in the streets. its deliberate to never have to expel an illegal out of the country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do they have to to roam the streets, demanding that every person they meet “show their papers”, do drive by pepper spray at people just walking to the bus stop, breaking down doors “because we feel like it”?
They don’t. They can unmask, unarmed, calmly and rationally confirm addresses and names, etc.
One of the biggest problems is employers, why not go over their paperwork and shut them down until they can verify each employee.
Why terrorize innocent citizens?

I dont know who is "terrorized". Minnesota is making a mockery of the system by confronting ICE and trying to start chaos. in every other city, things are going pretty well.

employers are a big problem and wont stop until owners of those companies are arrested and facing charges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How to we remove overstays and undocumented persons without indiscriminately brutalizing entire populations?

I don’t know, OP. You’re always telling us about how other nations enforce their immigration laws, and they manage to do it without laying siege to entire cities, so how about you ask them? Some even manage to do it without any guns at all!

With all the data and surveillance software ICE has, they could do 99% of their jobs right from their desks, using their tools and some basic brain skills. A couple of on the ground eVerify audits would help too. You could enforce deportation orders if you had enough judges on staff to review cases and issue the orders.

The problem is some very small brained right wingers have equated effectiveness with showing force. Trump’s ICE has been a miserable failure at its stated goal of deporting dangerous criminals. They can’t even get a list to hand over to the local jails saying these are the people we want to deport - they want local officials to do their work for them so they can cosplay as war heroes on the rough streets of…check notes…rural Minnesota.

People have deportation orders and dont leave. the big argument against changing asylum laws is that most dont qualify and are ordered to leave. However, they dont leave, start lives, have kids and your argument to not remove them is that they are "americans".

you HAVE to physically remove people and that will never change.

Also there is only ONE city under "siege". ICE is everywhere but only one state has this going on. thats a symptom of Minnesota's leadership.

There’s so much stupid in here I have to wonder - did you come in on a short bus? Come back when you’re ready to read and educate yourself before spouting off easily disproved nonsense.

there is a classic liberal response and why things have escalated so badly in Minnesota. Mentally, you cant make rational arguments, so the next step is to demean, scream and yell like a toddler.

thats exactly what the white liberals are doing in Minnesota and why its fallen apart. in your mind, you think it helps but to rational people, its just a bunch of crazy.

many of those "protesting" in minneota need therapy and I think you would fall into that category

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How to we remove overstays and undocumented persons without indiscriminately brutalizing entire populations?

I don’t know, OP. You’re always telling us about how other nations enforce their immigration laws, and they manage to do it without laying siege to entire cities, so how about you ask them? Some even manage to do it without any guns at all!

With all the data and surveillance software ICE has, they could do 99% of their jobs right from their desks, using their tools and some basic brain skills. A couple of on the ground eVerify audits would help too. You could enforce deportation orders if you had enough judges on staff to review cases and issue the orders.

The problem is some very small brained right wingers have equated effectiveness with showing force. Trump’s ICE has been a miserable failure at its stated goal of deporting dangerous criminals. They can’t even get a list to hand over to the local jails saying these are the people we want to deport - they want local officials to do their work for them so they can cosplay as war heroes on the rough streets of…check notes…rural Minnesota.

People have deportation orders and dont leave. the big argument against changing asylum laws is that most dont qualify and are ordered to leave. However, they dont leave, start lives, have kids and your argument to not remove them is that they are "americans".

you HAVE to physically remove people and that will never change.

Also there is only ONE city under "siege". ICE is everywhere but only one state has this going on. thats a symptom of Minnesota's leadership.

not to mention almost all Blue cities/states have decided to not work with ICE at all. so yeah, you have to have a organization that finds and removes people from the country.

The blue states are refusing to do ICE’s job for them, such as holding people longer than the law permits (at local taxpayer expense) so ICE can sit on their butts instead of putting in the work and getting the proper warrants. Local authorities are also refusing to play detective, such as by figuring out the legal status of every soul passed out in the drunk tank.

No blue state will refuse to comply with legal papers. Since having the correct paperwork is so important to ICE, isn’t it reasonable to expect they get their own paperwork right and in their own dime?

this isnt true. blue states refuse to even let ICE know they have someone who has an ICE detainer and let them go free in the streets. its deliberate to never have to expel an illegal out of the country.

This is the weirdest part. If they let ICE get the criminals, then ICE could make their quotas without having to get the regular illegals. Its essentially protecting the criminal element with human shields.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How to we remove overstays and undocumented persons without indiscriminately brutalizing entire populations?

I don’t know, OP. You’re always telling us about how other nations enforce their immigration laws, and they manage to do it without laying siege to entire cities, so how about you ask them? Some even manage to do it without any guns at all!

With all the data and surveillance software ICE has, they could do 99% of their jobs right from their desks, using their tools and some basic brain skills. A couple of on the ground eVerify audits would help too. You could enforce deportation orders if you had enough judges on staff to review cases and issue the orders.

The problem is some very small brained right wingers have equated effectiveness with showing force. Trump’s ICE has been a miserable failure at its stated goal of deporting dangerous criminals. They can’t even get a list to hand over to the local jails saying these are the people we want to deport - they want local officials to do their work for them so they can cosplay as war heroes on the rough streets of…check notes…rural Minnesota.

People have deportation orders and dont leave. the big argument against changing asylum laws is that most dont qualify and are ordered to leave. However, they dont leave, start lives, have kids and your argument to not remove them is that they are "americans".

you HAVE to physically remove people and that will never change.

Also there is only ONE city under "siege". ICE is everywhere but only one state has this going on. thats a symptom of Minnesota's leadership.

not to mention almost all Blue cities/states have decided to not work with ICE at all. so yeah, you have to have a organization that finds and removes people from the country.

The blue states are refusing to do ICE’s job for them, such as holding people longer than the law permits (at local taxpayer expense) so ICE can sit on their butts instead of putting in the work and getting the proper warrants. Local authorities are also refusing to play detective, such as by figuring out the legal status of every soul passed out in the drunk tank.

No blue state will refuse to comply with legal papers. Since having the correct paperwork is so important to ICE, isn’t it reasonable to expect they get their own paperwork right and in their own dime?

this isnt true. blue states refuse to even let ICE know they have someone who has an ICE detainer and let them go free in the streets. its deliberate to never have to expel an illegal out of the country.

This is the weirdest part. If they let ICE get the criminals, then ICE could make their quotas without having to get the regular illegals. Its essentially protecting the criminal element with human shields.

Exactly

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They need to overhaul the legal process. They need to structure it so it is open to all and not just people of higher means. The government needs to stop going after undocumented immigrants and start going after businesses. If you make it impossible to get work here, people will not come. They are coming to improve their lives and the lives of their children. Break the ability to earn money and they won’t come.

If they're coming to "improve their lives" through work, then by definition they aten't refugees.

So which is it? And why are they bogarting the line over those who do it legally?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Millions were deported under Obama. If you approach the process with decency then the people won't protest.

Yes and Obama sequestered and deported millions before they were freed by CBP.

Did Mayorkas and Biden do that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to overhaul the legal process. They need to structure it so it is open to all and not just people of higher means. The government needs to stop going after undocumented immigrants and start going after businesses. If you make it impossible to get work here, people will not come. They are coming to improve their lives and the lives of their children. Break the ability to earn money and they won’t come.

i do agree with the businesses, and they never seem to go after them

They're precluded by EEOC law. Why put yourself in line for a fed.gov lawsuit?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do they have to to roam the streets, demanding that every person they meet “show their papers”, do drive by pepper spray at people just walking to the bus stop, breaking down doors “because we feel like it”?
They don’t. They can unmask, unarmed, calmly and rationally confirm addresses and names, etc.
One of the biggest problems is employers, why not go over their paperwork and shut them down until they can verify each employee.
Why terrorize innocent citizens?

I dont know who is "terrorized". Minnesota is making a mockery of the system by confronting ICE and trying to start chaos. in every other city, things are going pretty well.

employers are a big problem and wont stop until owners of those companies are arrested and facing charges.

The residents of Minneapolis and St Paul are not confronting ICE or starting chaos. They are being harassed, tear gassed, attacked by masked and unidentified ICE agents. You need to stop reading fake news.
We agree on the employers.