Alternative to ICE

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn’t read the whole thread but I have been wondering how prior administrations removed deportees. It seems it was humane?

Lack of media driving outrage cycles. Republican, especially Trump, means maximum outrage over everything. Then it becomes a self-defeating cycle of escalation.

Bingo. And DUH Democrats. There werent cellphone cameras recording everything and organized dark money including Democrat officials (see: Signal Chat) creating chaos via stalking, doxxing, physical attacks and interference. This is all done due to TDS with the goal of attempting to destroy Trump, with the complicity of the legacy media. Anyone with a brain sees this, only DCUM TDS is so drunk on their hatred of Trump they'll disregard law & order, as we saw in 2020.

Just imagine if these same people did the same thing after Obama's Kids in Cages procedure. Surely there were people removed from 2020-2024, and it wasnt done in the dark. You're telling me all of those deportees didnt try to flee or go crying and screaming, and no one saw it? That's because no one was interested in filming, because it didnt fit the narrative.

Bottom line is illegals, particularly the convicted criminal ones will say anything to remain in and get a sob story started, and the media is happy to oblige.

IF Democrats are so OK with the "we agree this should be just the bad one's".....then why are all these Democrat cities refusing to hand over those caught, or those in jail? We're talking really scum of the earthers who are in jail on our dime. NYC has 10-15 thousand of these in jails, that they refuse to allow access to. This is what Democrats defend.

So now we’re blaming the video for showing things that are inconvenient to MAGA talking points. It might be time to take a breather. You all are losing more and more control of the message with each passing day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:if ICE cant remove criminals, visa overstays, denied asylum, and court ordered removals, how do you get illegals out of the country.

otherwise its basically open borders.

you are saying once you get here, you dont have to leave

I'm good with this. I'd rather have illegal immigrants than MAGA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:if ICE cant remove criminals, visa overstays, denied asylum, and court ordered removals, how do you get illegals out of the country.

otherwise its basically open borders.

you are saying once you get here, you dont have to leave

I'm good with this. I'd rather have illegal immigrants than MAGA.

Illegal immigrants is what made MAGA a thing. Trump recognized that in his first campaign.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:How to we remove overstays and undocumented persons without indiscriminately brutalizing entire populations?

I don’t know, OP. You’re always telling us about how other nations enforce their immigration laws, and they manage to do it without laying siege to entire cities, so how about you ask them? Some even manage to do it without any guns at all!

With all the data and surveillance software ICE has, they could do 99% of their jobs right from their desks, using their tools and some basic brain skills. A couple of on the ground eVerify audits would help too. You could enforce deportation orders if you had enough judges on staff to review cases and issue the orders.

The problem is some very small brained right wingers have equated effectiveness with showing force. Trump’s ICE has been a miserable failure at its stated goal of deporting dangerous criminals. They can’t even get a list to hand over to the local jails saying these are the people we want to deport - they want local officials to do their work for them so they can cosplay as war heroes on the rough streets of…check notes…rural Minnesota.

The other countries either let in nearly everyone, or they haven't let them in in the past, so they don't have much of a population to deal with. We are looking at 15-20 million illegal immigrants in the US.

Your numbers are over every reliable estimate of the number of undocumented persons living in the US. Those numbers of people Biden "allowed into the US"? those numbers came from CBP encounters near the border of people who were removed at the time.

Inflation effects all part of our economy except the undocumented. The offical number has been the same for nearly 20 years!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How to we remove overstays and undocumented persons without indiscriminately brutalizing entire populations?

I don’t know, OP. You’re always telling us about how other nations enforce their immigration laws, and they manage to do it without laying siege to entire cities, so how about you ask them? Some even manage to do it without any guns at all!

With all the data and surveillance software ICE has, they could do 99% of their jobs right from their desks, using their tools and some basic brain skills. A couple of on the ground eVerify audits would help too. You could enforce deportation orders if you had enough judges on staff to review cases and issue the orders.

The problem is some very small brained right wingers have equated effectiveness with showing force. Trump’s ICE has been a miserable failure at its stated goal of deporting dangerous criminals. They can’t even get a list to hand over to the local jails saying these are the people we want to deport - they want local officials to do their work for them so they can cosplay as war heroes on the rough streets of…check notes…rural Minnesota.

The other countries either let in nearly everyone, or they haven't let them in in the past, so they don't have much of a population to deal with. We are looking at 15-20 million illegal immigrants in the US.

Your numbers are over every reliable estimate of the number of undocumented persons living in the US. Those numbers of people Biden "allowed into the US"? those numbers came from CBP encounters near the border of people who were removed at the time.

Inflation effects all part of our economy except the undocumented. The offical number has been the same for nearly 20 years!

It really is quite magical how the number has remained at 11 million! We must’ve just imagined the migrant hordes, I mean caravans, from the Biden era!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn’t read the whole thread but I have been wondering how prior administrations removed deportees. It seems it was humane?

Lack of media driving outrage cycles. Republican, especially Trump, means maximum outrage over everything. Then it becomes a self-defeating cycle of escalation.

Bingo. And DUH Democrats. There werent cellphone cameras recording everything and organized dark money including Democrat officials (see: Signal Chat) creating chaos via stalking, doxxing, physical attacks and interference. This is all done due to TDS with the goal of attempting to destroy Trump, with the complicity of the legacy media. Anyone with a brain sees this, only DCUM TDS is so drunk on their hatred of Trump they'll disregard law & order, as we saw in 2020.

Just imagine if these same people did the same thing after Obama's Kids in Cages procedure. Surely there were people removed from 2020-2024, and it wasnt done in the dark. You're telling me all of those deportees didnt try to flee or go crying and screaming, and no one saw it? That's because no one was interested in filming, because it didnt fit the narrative.

Bottom line is illegals, particularly the convicted criminal ones will say anything to remain in and get a sob story started, and the media is happy to oblige.

IF Democrats are so OK with the "we agree this should be just the bad one's".....then why are all these Democrat cities refusing to hand over those caught, or those in jail? We're talking really scum of the earthers who are in jail on our dime. NYC has 10-15 thousand of these in jails, that they refuse to allow access to. This is what Democrats defend.

So now we’re blaming the video for showing things that are inconvenient to MAGA talking points. It might be time to take a breather. You all are losing more and more control of the message with each passing day.

No they are blaming democrat rhetoric and disinformation in order to rile up their base. I lost count of how many time i saw the talking point that ice officers weren’t law enforcement. I wonder if Good would have been there if she knew that ice were legit law enforcement?

Democrats are mad they have very little power on the federal level. This is an amped up version of how they behaved under trumps first term. Last time it was kept mostly in the federal govt. but this time around he’s purged everyone that would give resistance. So now Dems have to use civilians to try to get what they want. Which will of course play into the hands of Trump et al. Since Trump has power.

[Anonymous]

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ICE has to appear at the businesses to pick up illegals, and again Democrats will be in the streets obstructing them.

Why are you worried about the undocument immigrants who are busy working?

Just go after the ones you know have committed a violent crime. (They probably aren't working anyhow.)

The guys who are just working in a meatpacking plant or landscaping crews are just trying to raise money and take care of their families. Take all your manpower and just go after the actual criminals.

To do that, ICE has to admit that one of two things are true: (1) they are too incompetent to find the criminals, despite claiming the criminals terrorizing everyone on the streets; or (2) they got all the criminals, and the danger doesn’t exist.

3) law enforcement of sanctuary cities should turn over those illegal immigrants that were arrested for crimes.

[Anonymous]

lol

Is there nothing that is too dumb for Trump?


Trump backs idea of changing ICE’s name to ‘NICE’
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5850705-rename-ice-nice-trump/

President Trump on Sunday endorsed the idea of changing the name of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to National Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which would give the agency the acronym NICE.

The idea was promoted by conservative influencer Alyssa Marie last month.

“I want Trump to change ICE to NICE (National Immigration and Customs Enforcement) so the media has to say NICE agents all day everyday,” Marie wrote in a March post on social platform X.

Late Sunday evening, the president publicly endorsed the switch.

“GREAT IDEA!!! DO IT,” Trump wrote in a Truth Social post.

Other conservative influencers chimed in with statements of support.

“100% agree! Make it happen, @SecMullinDHS!” Nick Sortor wrote in a post on X, urging Secretary of Homeland Security Markwayne Mullin to support the change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:lol

Is there nothing that is too dumb for Trump?


Trump backs idea of changing ICE’s name to ‘NICE’
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5850705-rename-ice-nice-trump/

President Trump on Sunday endorsed the idea of changing the name of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to National Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which would give the agency the acronym NICE.

The idea was promoted by conservative influencer Alyssa Marie last month.

“I want Trump to change ICE to NICE (National Immigration and Customs Enforcement) so the media has to say NICE agents all day everyday,” Marie wrote in a March post on social platform X.

Late Sunday evening, the president publicly endorsed the switch.

“GREAT IDEA!!! DO IT,” Trump wrote in a Truth Social post.

Other conservative influencers chimed in with statements of support.

“100% agree! Make it happen, @SecMullinDHS!” Nick Sortor wrote in a post on X, urging Secretary of Homeland Security Markwayne Mullin to support the change.

Perfect. More 1984 stuff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They need to overhaul the legal process. They need to structure it so it is open to all and not just people of higher means. The government needs to stop going after undocumented immigrants and start going after businesses. If you make it impossible to get work here, people will not come. They are coming to improve their lives and the lives of their children. Break the ability to earn money and they won’t come.

Certainly going after businesses is important both as employers and those providing services.

Though I think it's not sufficient, plenty of black market/under the table economy unless you're thinking like doing lawnmower stings, even then there are plenty of people paying their cousin under the table letting them live illegally subletting like my neighbor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:if ICE cant remove criminals, visa overstays, denied asylum, and court ordered removals, how do you get illegals out of the country.

otherwise its basically open borders.

you are saying once you get here, you dont have to leave

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eliminate sanctuary cities, let local authorities work with ICE as normal cultures would

but Democrats want violence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:if ICE cant remove criminals, visa overstays, denied asylum, and court ordered removals, how do you get illegals out of the country.

otherwise its basically open borders.

you are saying once you get here, you dont have to leave

I'm good with this. I'd rather have illegal immigrants than MAGA.

I would rather not. Our founders didn't want illegal aliens to flood the country.

They are not assimilating and do not see value in our culture.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you let 10 million in and it took 35 to execute 9/11.

Yes, the Bush admin ignored credible intelligence that indicated would be terrorists were in the country, were learning how to fly airplanes, and planned an attack.

What "credible" intelligence? He had no specific intelligence on who or what was going to happen.

Did they have flight numbers, dates, times, locations? No they did not.