Alternative to ICE

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Anonymous wrote:How to we remove overstays and undocumented persons without indiscriminately brutalizing entire populations?

I don’t know, OP. You’re always telling us about how other nations enforce their immigration laws, and they manage to do it without laying siege to entire cities, so how about you ask them? Some even manage to do it without any guns at all!

With all the data and surveillance software ICE has, they could do 99% of their jobs right from their desks, using their tools and some basic brain skills. A couple of on the ground eVerify audits would help too. You could enforce deportation orders if you had enough judges on staff to review cases and issue the orders.

The problem is some very small brained right wingers have equated effectiveness with showing force. Trump’s ICE has been a miserable failure at its stated goal of deporting dangerous criminals. They can’t even get a list to hand over to the local jails saying these are the people we want to deport - they want local officials to do their work for them so they can cosplay as war heroes on the rough streets of…check notes…rural Minnesota.

People have deportation orders and dont leave. the big argument against changing asylum laws is that most dont qualify and are ordered to leave. However, they dont leave, start lives, have kids and your argument to not remove them is that they are "americans".

you HAVE to physically remove people and that will never change.

Also there is only ONE city under "siege". ICE is everywhere but only one state has this going on. thats a symptom of Minnesota's leadership.

not to mention almost all Blue cities/states have decided to not work with ICE at all. so yeah, you have to have a organization that finds and removes people from the country.

The blue states are refusing to do ICE’s job for them, such as holding people longer than the law permits (at local taxpayer expense) so ICE can sit on their butts instead of putting in the work and getting the proper warrants. Local authorities are also refusing to play detective, such as by figuring out the legal status of every soul passed out in the drunk tank.

No blue state will refuse to comply with legal papers. Since having the correct paperwork is so important to ICE, isn’t it reasonable to expect they get their own paperwork right and in their own dime?

this isnt true. blue states refuse to even let ICE know they have someone who has an ICE detainer and let them go free in the streets. its deliberate to never have to expel an illegal out of the country.

An ICE detainer is not a warrant. It is administrative paperwork. The localities are letting people go when the legal grounds to hold them are no longer there. If they post bail, shouldn’t be held at all - well guess what? There is no legal basis to hold them anymore so ICE better get off their rear ends and hustle over there to catch them on the front stoop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How to we remove overstays and undocumented persons without indiscriminately brutalizing entire populations?

I don’t know, OP. You’re always telling us about how other nations enforce their immigration laws, and they manage to do it without laying siege to entire cities, so how about you ask them? Some even manage to do it without any guns at all!

With all the data and surveillance software ICE has, they could do 99% of their jobs right from their desks, using their tools and some basic brain skills. A couple of on the ground eVerify audits would help too. You could enforce deportation orders if you had enough judges on staff to review cases and issue the orders.

The problem is some very small brained right wingers have equated effectiveness with showing force. Trump’s ICE has been a miserable failure at its stated goal of deporting dangerous criminals. They can’t even get a list to hand over to the local jails saying these are the people we want to deport - they want local officials to do their work for them so they can cosplay as war heroes on the rough streets of…check notes…rural Minnesota.

How do you vet an entrant with no record from his country of origin? A country that doesn't even have a database on half their population?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Millions were deported under Obama. If you approach the process with decency then the people won't protest.

Yes and Obama sequestered and deported millions before they were freed by CBP.

Did Mayorkas and Biden do that?

Again, stop with any comparisons of Obama and Biden or Trump. Obama was a good leader and he is still the face of the Dem Party. Biden was a joke and Trump is a disgraceful joke. You all know this is true. The sooner you admit it, the sooner we can unite as a country and move forward together with peace and love. If you're still in denial, find a brain.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Millions were deported under Obama. If you approach the process with decency then the people won't protest.

Yes and Obama sequestered and deported millions before they were freed by CBP.

Did Mayorkas and Biden do that?

Again, stop with any comparisons of Obama and Biden or Trump. Obama was a good leader and he is still the face of the Dem Party. Biden was a joke and Trump is a disgraceful joke. You all know this is true. The sooner you admit it, the sooner we can unite as a country and move forward together with peace and love. If you're still in denial, find a brain.

Biden is a joke, but he's left us where we are. That's a fact.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Millions were deported under Obama. If you approach the process with decency then the people won't protest.

Yes and Obama sequestered and deported millions before they were freed by CBP.

Did Mayorkas and Biden do that?

Again, stop with any comparisons of Obama and Biden or Trump. Obama was a good leader and he is still the face of the Dem Party. Biden was a joke and Trump is a disgraceful joke. You all know this is true. The sooner you admit it, the sooner we can unite as a country and move forward together with peace and love. If you're still in denial, find a brain.

I'm not comparing. I'm contrasting.

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So you let 10 million in and it took 35 to execute 9/11.

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Anonymous wrote:So you let 10 million in and it took 35 to execute 9/11.

Yes, the Bush admin ignored credible intelligence that indicated would be terrorists were in the country, were learning how to fly airplanes, and planned an attack.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They need to overhaul the legal process. They need to structure it so it is open to all and not just people of higher means. The government needs to stop going after undocumented immigrants and start going after businesses. If you make it impossible to get work here, people will not come. They are coming to improve their lives and the lives of their children. Break the ability to earn money and they won’t come.

As an employer I am not allowed to question work documents even if I suspect they are fake. What can you go after the businesses for? You can’t say they knowingly hired an illegal immigrant if they’re not allowed to question if they are legal…..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Millions were deported under Obama. If you approach the process with decency then the people won't protest.

Yes and Obama sequestered and deported millions before they were freed by CBP.

Did Mayorkas and Biden do that?

Again, stop with any comparisons of Obama and Biden or Trump. Obama was a good leader and he is still the face of the Dem Party. Biden was a joke and Trump is a disgraceful joke. You all know this is true. The sooner you admit it, the sooner we can unite as a country and move forward together with peace and love. If you're still in denial, find a brain.

Biden is a joke, but he's left us where we are. That's a fact.

I don’t think it’s Biden’s fault that Trump is sh*tting the bed so badly in Minneapolis. I think that’s Trump’s fault. His people knew how to do the job correctly, and it could have been a great win for him. Instead, he let psychopaths like Miller call the shots and show off what “absolute immunity” looks like for the bootlickers and MAGA cult, and didn’t consider that killing white moms and hero nurses might not play well to middle America.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Millions were deported under Obama. If you approach the process with decency then the people won't protest.

Yes and Obama sequestered and deported millions before they were freed by CBP.

Did Mayorkas and Biden do that?

Again, stop with any comparisons of Obama and Biden or Trump. Obama was a good leader and he is still the face of the Dem Party. Biden was a joke and Trump is a disgraceful joke. You all know this is true. The sooner you admit it, the sooner we can unite as a country and move forward together with peace and love. If you're still in denial, find a brain.

Biden is a joke, but he's left us where we are. That's a fact.

Biden wasn't a good leader and shouldn't have been POTUS at his advanced age but at least he had some integrity where as Trump has zero.

[Anonymous]

Didn’t read the whole thread but I have been wondering how prior administrations removed deportees. It seems it was humane?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Didn’t read the whole thread but I have been wondering how prior administrations removed deportees. It seems it was humane?

Methodically and professionally are two words to describe how people were deported back when we had proper leadership

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So you let 10 million in and it took 35 to execute 9/11.

Yes, the Bush admin ignored credible intelligence that indicated would be terrorists were in the country, were learning how to fly airplanes, and planned an attack.

Was it actionable under Bush? Stop overusing credible as a substitute for actionable. We know Clinton had opportunity to whack OBL because thet knew where he was. Bush, not so much.. Heck, Biden didn't even want to do that as Obama's veep. Thankfully, Obama did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you let 10 million in and it took 35 to execute 9/11.

Yes, the Bush admin ignored credible intelligence that indicated would be terrorists were in the country, were learning how to fly airplanes, and planned an attack.

Was it actionable under Bush? Stop overusing credible as a substitute for actionable. We know Clinton had opportunity to whack OBL because thet knew where he was. Bush, not so much.. Heck, Biden didn't even want to do that as Obama's veep. Thankfully, Obama did.

Thankfully Obama was president and Biden wasn't.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They need to overhaul the legal process. They need to structure it so it is open to all and not just people of higher means. The government needs to stop going after undocumented immigrants and start going after businesses. If you make it impossible to get work here, people will not come. They are coming to improve their lives and the lives of their children. Break the ability to earn money and they won’t come.

As an employer I am not allowed to question work documents even if I suspect they are fake. What can you go after the businesses for? You can’t say they knowingly hired an illegal immigrant if they’re not allowed to question if they are legal…..

E-Verify. It’s not perfect, but it will catch your obvious fakers.