Is NYU still Top 25?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The US News ranking jumped the shark with its latest manipulations. It doesn't change what NYU is, a decently prestigious but pricey school in the heart of Manhattan.

There is no need to decide whether it's 22 or 32 or whatever.

US News is more accurate now than in the past.

No, it give more points to schools with more poorer students.
That's not accurate and a way to evaluate schools.

I don't care if students are poor or rich. I care quality of the students.

Define "quality of the students". If you mean high stats, the top universities don't only take students with the highest stats. Otherwise, my very high stats kid would be at a T10, but instead, DC is at a state flagship (and they are happy there).

The high quality sought after students are not always the one with high stats, meaning perfect score, tutors, the same extracurriculars that they all take. They want to see beyond that. What the student has done outside of high school independently, some unconventional pursuits that show what matters to them. Character, morals, the ability to work with people from all types of backgrounds.

I think these kids who get into the top Ivy schools are naturals. They are naturally intellectually curious and will go out of their way to satisfy that curiosity. They see something that needs fixing and they figure out how to help fix it. They aren’t having their parents decide everything for them, arranging tutors and activities that the parents think will get them in.

A lot of students had the very best education where everything was given to them, nothing in the way of them getting high stats. But it’s the kids with the “it” factor that are admitted. Intelligent but also there’s just something about them.

[Anonymous]

NYU dropped ten full slots from 25 to 35 last year per USNWR

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NYU dropped ten full slots from 25 to 35 last year per USNWR

So?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do you REALLY think the quality of NYU relative to WUSTL/Emory changed by much from year to year based on what USNWR rankings say? Exh A as to why ranking colleges as a whole is worse than meaningless.

Most undergrads in the T100 are good. But I'm only willing to pay 300k for a name brand with strong ascending reputation. Is that NYU? That's what I'm asking.

Absolutely, schools like NYU, USC, and Northeastern will keep on rising.

USC is known as a school for those who couldn't get into its rival - UCLA. In terms of quality, location, and cost, many choose USC only after they were rejected by UCLA. I am inclined to think the same thing with NYU, US News ranked #35. It's an option for those who didn't make the cut at Stony Brook -- SUNY, US News ranked #58,

Not even funny.
Speaking of Sunny
https://www.timesunion.com/education/article/suny-deficit-hit-1-billion-future-aid-tuition-18580207.php

"SUNY warns of future $1B deficit without higher tuition or more aid"

Avoid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NYU dropped ten full slots from 25 to 35 last year per USNWR

So?

It goes to OP's question, "Is NYU still top 25." From 25, it dropped by 10. Ergo, no it's no longer T25. Do the math.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The US News ranking jumped the shark with its latest manipulations. It doesn't change what NYU is, a decently prestigious but pricey school in the heart of Manhattan.

There is no need to decide whether it's 22 or 32 or whatever.

US News is more accurate now than in the past.

No, it give more points to schools with more poorer students.
That's not accurate and a way to evaluate schools.

I don't care if students are poor or rich. I care quality of the students.

Define "quality of the students". If you mean high stats, the top universities don't only take students with the highest stats. Otherwise, my very high stats kid would be at a T10, but instead, DC is at a state flagship (and they are happy there).

The high quality sought after students are not always the one with high stats, meaning perfect score, tutors, the same extracurriculars that they all take. They want to see beyond that. What the student has done outside of high school independently, some unconventional pursuits that show what matters to them. Character, morals, the ability to work with people from all types of backgrounds.

I think these kids who get into the top Ivy schools are naturals. They are naturally intellectually curious and will go out of their way to satisfy that curiosity. They see something that needs fixing and they figure out how to help fix it. They aren’t having their parents decide everything for them, arranging tutors and activities that the parents think will get them in.

A lot of students had the very best education where everything was given to them, nothing in the way of them getting high stats. But it’s the kids with the “it” factor that are admitted. Intelligent but also there’s just something about them.

Wow. My experience with recent Ivy alumni is that they are incredibly insecure, having been told for so many years that they are the best of the best but can't understand why they have to work under people who graduated from ::gasp:: state schools. They are a nightmare to work with because they think by virtue of having attended HYP they have had special access to unlocking the secrets of the universe, when in fact they have been attending the same classes as everyone else but with richer classmates. So they act like everyone else is beneath them. And if they are legacies/athletes they are often less competent than others as they are getting by on the HYP name with no substance behind it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The US News ranking jumped the shark with its latest manipulations. It doesn't change what NYU is, a decently prestigious but pricey school in the heart of Manhattan.

There is no need to decide whether it's 22 or 32 or whatever.

US News is more accurate now than in the past.

No, it give more points to schools with more poorer students.
That's not accurate and a way to evaluate schools.

I don't care if students are poor or rich. I care quality of the students.

Define "quality of the students". If you mean high stats, the top universities don't only take students with the highest stats. Otherwise, my very high stats kid would be at a T10, but instead, DC is at a state flagship (and they are happy there).

The high quality sought after students are not always the one with high stats, meaning perfect score, tutors, the same extracurriculars that they all take. They want to see beyond that. What the student has done outside of high school independently, some unconventional pursuits that show what matters to them. Character, morals, the ability to work with people from all types of backgrounds.

I think these kids who get into the top Ivy schools are naturals. They are naturally intellectually curious and will go out of their way to satisfy that curiosity. They see something that needs fixing and they figure out how to help fix it. They aren’t having their parents decide everything for them, arranging tutors and activities that the parents think will get them in.

A lot of students had the very best education where everything was given to them, nothing in the way of them getting high stats. But it’s the kids with the “it” factor that are admitted. Intelligent but also there’s just something about them.

Wow. My experience with recent Ivy alumni is that they are incredibly insecure, having been told for so many years that they are the best of the best but can't understand why they have to work under people who graduated from ::gasp:: state schools. They are a nightmare to work with because they think by virtue of having attended HYP they have had special access to unlocking the secrets of the universe, when in fact they have been attending the same classes as everyone else but with richer classmates. So they act like everyone else is beneath them. And if they are legacies/athletes they are often less competent than others as they are getting by on the HYP name with no substance behind it.

Your insecurity is showing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The US News ranking jumped the shark with its latest manipulations. It doesn't change what NYU is, a decently prestigious but pricey school in the heart of Manhattan.

There is no need to decide whether it's 22 or 32 or whatever.

US News is more accurate now than in the past.

No, it give more points to schools with more poorer students.
That's not accurate and a way to evaluate schools.

I don't care if students are poor or rich. I care quality of the students.

Define "quality of the students". If you mean high stats, the top universities don't only take students with the highest stats. Otherwise, my very high stats kid would be at a T10, but instead, DC is at a state flagship (and they are happy there).

The high quality sought after students are not always the one with high stats, meaning perfect score, tutors, the same extracurriculars that they all take. They want to see beyond that. What the student has done outside of high school independently, some unconventional pursuits that show what matters to them. Character, morals, the ability to work with people from all types of backgrounds.

I think these kids who get into the top Ivy schools are naturals. They are naturally intellectually curious and will go out of their way to satisfy that curiosity. They see something that needs fixing and they figure out how to help fix it. They aren’t having their parents decide everything for them, arranging tutors and activities that the parents think will get them in.

A lot of students had the very best education where everything was given to them, nothing in the way of them getting high stats. But it’s the kids with the “it” factor that are admitted. Intelligent but also there’s just something about them.

Wow. My experience with recent Ivy alumni is that they are incredibly insecure, having been told for so many years that they are the best of the best but can't understand why they have to work under people who graduated from ::gasp:: state schools. They are a nightmare to work with because they think by virtue of having attended HYP they have had special access to unlocking the secrets of the universe, when in fact they have been attending the same classes as everyone else but with richer classmates. So they act like everyone else is beneath them. And if they are legacies/athletes they are often less competent than others as they are getting by on the HYP name with no substance behind it.

Your insecurity is showing.

This is the DCUM version of "I know you are but what am I". Classy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NYU dropped ten full slots from 25 to 35 last year per USNWR

So?

It goes to OP's question, "Is NYU still top 25." From 25, it dropped by 10. Ergo, no it's no longer T25. Do the math.

You don’t seem to understand nuance. I was also referring to OPs question

[Anonymous]

The new ranking method gives big points for schools with low income students. Having more low income students provides zero value for my kid. I rather have my kid mingle with hard working intelligent middle class.

Anyways that's a personal preference, but that's why a number of public schools are ranked higher than NYU this year pushing it out of T30.

For the private schools. The ranking are like
#24 Emory, WashU
#28 USC
#35 NYU

Prestige is a very small factor(if a factor at all) when deciding among these schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NYU dropped ten full slots from 25 to 35 last year per USNWR

Yeah, but USNWR really dropped the ball last year.

Class size doesn't matter anymore. The academic qualifications of professors doesn't matter anymore. Graduating within five years doesn't matter anymore.

What matters are Pell Grant students.

USNWR isn't a great measurement of the academic quality of a school these days.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NYU dropped ten full slots from 25 to 35 last year per USNWR

Yeah, but USNWR really dropped the ball last year.

Class size doesn't matter anymore. The academic qualifications of professors doesn't matter anymore. Graduating within five years doesn't matter anymore.

What matters are Pell Grant students.

USNWR isn't a great measurement of the academic quality of a school these days.

True top schools are good at everything, hence why only 2 schools dropped out of the top 25 ( NYU and USC) and only 1 Top 25 (WashU) dropped significantly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NYU dropped ten full slots from 25 to 35 last year per USNWR

Yeah, but USNWR really dropped the ball last year.

Class size doesn't matter anymore. The academic qualifications of professors doesn't matter anymore. Graduating within five years doesn't matter anymore.

What matters are Pell Grant students.

USNWR isn't a great measurement of the academic quality of a school these days.

True top schools are good at everything, hence why only 2 schools dropped out of the top 25 ( NYU and USC) and only 1 Top 25 (WashU) dropped significantly.

NYU and USC are true top schools unless you think USNWR is bible

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NYU dropped ten full slots from 25 to 35 last year per USNWR

So?

It goes to OP's question, "Is NYU still top 25." From 25, it dropped by 10. Ergo, no it's no longer T25. Do the math.

One year doesn't really matter. But it the trend continues, and I suspect it will....it will matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you REALLY think the quality of NYU relative to WUSTL/Emory changed by much from year to year based on what USNWR rankings say? Exh A as to why ranking colleges as a whole is worse than meaningless.

Most undergrads in the T100 are good. But I'm only willing to pay 300k for a name brand with strong ascending reputation. Is that NYU? That's what I'm asking.

Absolutely, schools like NYU, USC, and Northeastern will keep on rising.

USC is known as a school for those who couldn't get into its rival - UCLA. In terms of quality, location, and cost, many choose USC only after they were rejected by UCLA. I am inclined to think the same thing with NYU, US News ranked #35. It's an option for those who didn't make the cut at Stony Brook -- SUNY, US News ranked #58,

Not even funny.
Speaking of Sunny
https://www.timesunion.com/education/article/suny-deficit-hit-1-billion-future-aid-tuition-18580207.php

"SUNY warns of future $1B deficit without higher tuition or more aid"

Avoid.

UCLA is a top university.

USC would be behind, with NYU.

Sunny is not even close to any of those 3.