Taylor Swift is awful (and her music isn't even very good)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Comparing “blank space” and “America” by Paul simon?
That’s ridiculous and sad. Someone isn’t really arguing in good faith when they come up with absurd analogies.
Blank Space is a catchy pop tune. It’s got a hook ( which America does not). It’s meant for top 40 radio play. “America” is one of my favorite songs but get real. This is a silly comparison. And the sentiments aren’t rooted in anything similar.
Stop trying so hard.

I’m PP who made the comparison. Feel free to twist it around and take it out of context, but I was specifically asked who I do consider a good lyricist. Why do I have to pick a bad one to boost Taylor’s bland and reductive lyrics?

You want good pop lyrics? Listen to Regina Spektor. Do I have to go through everyone who is better than Taylor at writing lyrics? That would take up all year. Or do you want me to compare Taylor to the Spice Girls, so that she can sound good?

Do we have to lower musical standards to prop Taylor up? Or can’t her fans admit, she’s not a very good lyricist, even if her music makes you feel good. I love Abba, but I don’t go around saying Mama Mia has the best lyrics ever.

I am not quite sure you were the same poster, who was just looking for a place event, if if so, you are brutally contradicting yourself. Venting is different than practically begging Taylor Swift and to admit “yes her lyrics are not that good thank you for helping me see the light” lol. Do you not see why people are going to react to that. Sorry, but you’re probably not going get a lot of fans on this thread giving you that reaction. if that is what you need to be able to move on, I don’t know what to tell you.

It’s one thing to vent or complain, it’s another thing which a lot of posters are doing to practically beg people to agree with them. it’s super annoying to be told that you are the arbiter of musical taste and everybody else is wrong. It’s also just really weird.

DP.

THIS THREAD IS NOT FOR TAYLOR SWIFT FANS. I really do not understand why you think it is.

Taylor Swift writes trite, repetitive, uninspired music and most of her popularity is due to a true brilliance for marketing and a keen understanding of her core audience, as well as a very impressive PR machine that keeps her name and image in the public imagination to a degree I've never seen before. But her music is mediocre, at best.

I am not saying this to bait fans of Taylor Swift. I'm not even saying it TO her fans. It's just what I actually think. I'm sorry you think it's "weird" to have an opinion and express it. If you don't like it, feel free to take issue with it.

If you find it "super annoying" to be told these things, I suggest you leave this thread about how Taylor Swift sucks. Literally, title of the thread. Why are you here if it's so hard for you to read these things? That's the part that is weird.

+ 1 well stated

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess I don't get why non Taylor fans need a place to vent? I can't stand the Kardarshians, and yes, I know more about them than I would like, but it doesn't impact my day to day. I have curated my insta feed etc. so that I don't get a ton of exposure to them beyond the occasional E news or Us weekly story. They have a million hours of reality tv out in the world, but I've managed not to ever watch an episode (I have seen clips etc.).

I know about their love lives a little and the fact that a bunch of the sisters have kids, break ups, etc. but again, it's possible to filter it out. I know they have a lot of fans and defenders, but it would never occur to me to bash the fans or tell them they are dumb for buying their beauty or clothing products or watching their shows. I get being annoyed with Taylor if you are an NFL fan, but honestly, this is just a blip and it will blow over, and it kind of has nothing to do with her music or lyrics any way.

I cannot go a single day without either hearing Taylor Swift's music or hearing about her love life or her off stage behavior. I can go weeks without hearing Joe Biden's voice or anything about his life, but I can't go 24 hours without hearing about Taylor Swift. I don't even go on Instagram or Facebook -- I hear her music all the time in the world, people bring her up everywhere I go, she gets mentioned in news articles and pop culture stories that don't have anything to do with her.

Literally yesterday I was FaceTiming with my brother and SIL and their son, and my SIL, who I didn't even know liked Taylor Swift, suddenly explained she'd gotten some Swift-related piece of art for Christmas and then went on a 10 minute diatribe about not getting Eras tickets and going to see the Swift movie. This was in response to the question "so how is your holiday going? any fun gifts?"

So yes, I need this thread. Because when this happened what I said was "oh, that's cool. yeah, I heard those tickets were hard to come by. Mmm hmm, glad the movie was good. Did you guys see Oppenheimer? We finally watched it and really liked it. Oh, yeah, I heard about the Travis Kelce thing, interesting. Oh, speaking of music, we are going to see that new Leonard Bernstein bio-pic this week... oh yeah, we're still talking about Taylor Swift? Okay."

The Kardashians, even at the height of Kim & Kanye, have NOTHING on the current stranglehold that Swift has on our culture. Disliking Taylor Swift in 2023 is like not liking the Beatles in 1964. And yeah yeah yeah, everyone likes the Beatles. I do too. If 50 years from now everyone agrees Taylor Swift is like the Beatles, I'll give you a thumbs up from the grave, okay?

Okay, that is annoying that a lot of your friends and family are big fans and definitely her music is playing everywhere. My husband likes Taylor but not NEARLY as much as our two daughters (teen who is a huge Swifty and tween who is not to the same degree but a huge fan) and me who is a casual fan. But he doesn't know that much about her (I know because we rented the Eras tour and he was popping in and out why my girls and I watched and we were sharing facts that he either found amusing or rolled his eyes at). And he doesn't feel like he can't get away from her to the point where it is detracting from his life or his mental health. In his own free time he's really caught up in his own things he follows which leaves little time for Taylor culture.

I realize that it's hard to escape her music in some situations and convos about her, but I guess I'm confused as to why it bothers you so much. I"m not trying to psycho analyze you, but it is odd (and frankly, terrible for you) that you kind of refuse to understand why she resonates with some people, even if she doesn't resonate with you. Arguing that her lyrics and music are bad....I mean, they aren't. You have a right to not be a fan and not like her and not think her music and lyrics are that great and roll your eyes but when large amounts of people are telling you otherwise, why not just acknowledge it can't all be great marketing. It's clearly a combo of things I'm sure none of know but some have articulated parts of - she has stood up for herself at various times, she has used her influence to do some good things that people admire, she has some catchy songs, she has some interesting, well thought out lyrics, she is a good performer even though no one would argue she is the greatest at singing and dancing, but rather she puts on a great show. She has great marketing. She seems reasonably grounded for someone with her status. For whatever the combo of reasons....it's happening.

Arguing on message boards against it doesn't seem like a good use of time for you, and I'm not saying that snarkily. It just seems like it making you spend MORE time on taylor when that isn't what you should be doing!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Comparing “blank space” and “America” by Paul simon?
That’s ridiculous and sad. Someone isn’t really arguing in good faith when they come up with absurd analogies.
Blank Space is a catchy pop tune. It’s got a hook ( which America does not). It’s meant for top 40 radio play. “America” is one of my favorite songs but get real. This is a silly comparison. And the sentiments aren’t rooted in anything similar.
Stop trying so hard.

I’m PP who made the comparison. Feel free to twist it around and take it out of context, but I was specifically asked who I do consider a good lyricist. Why do I have to pick a bad one to boost Taylor’s bland and reductive lyrics?

You want good pop lyrics? Listen to Regina Spektor. Do I have to go through everyone who is better than Taylor at writing lyrics? That would take up all year. Or do you want me to compare Taylor to the Spice Girls, so that she can sound good?

Do we have to lower musical standards to prop Taylor up? Or can’t her fans admit, she’s not a very good lyricist, even if her music makes you feel good. I love Abba, but I don’t go around saying Mama Mia has the best lyrics ever.

I am not quite sure you were the same poster, who was just looking for a place event, if if so, you are brutally contradicting yourself. Venting is different than practically begging Taylor Swift and to admit “yes her lyrics are not that good thank you for helping me see the light” lol. Do you not see why people are going to react to that. Sorry, but you’re probably not going get a lot of fans on this thread giving you that reaction. if that is what you need to be able to move on, I don’t know what to tell you.

It’s one thing to vent or complain, it’s another thing which a lot of posters are doing to practically beg people to agree with them. it’s super annoying to be told that you are the arbiter of musical taste and everybody else is wrong. It’s also just really weird.

I am not the same poster. Believe it or not, there are lots of people who quietly can’t stand Taylor. That being said, being specific and detailed in explaining why you don’t like Taylor Swift’s is not “begging people to agree with you.”

Take your own advice and “move on,” if you are so bothered by comprehensive critiques of her music.

Dp nothing new is going to be said by the haters
So the thread should end. They don't like her and cannot believe that she is wildly sucessfull. They think their opinion matters more than the millions of fans.

We should stop responding because we know the truth and their mild tantrum won't change the facts.

[Anonymous]

I’m not I’d consider TS lyrics poetry but I think she does two things very well— capture the feeling of a specific circumstance and write clever lines.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess I don't get why non Taylor fans need a place to vent? I can't stand the Kardarshians, and yes, I know more about them than I would like, but it doesn't impact my day to day. I have curated my insta feed etc. so that I don't get a ton of exposure to them beyond the occasional E news or Us weekly story. They have a million hours of reality tv out in the world, but I've managed not to ever watch an episode (I have seen clips etc.).

I know about their love lives a little and the fact that a bunch of the sisters have kids, break ups, etc. but again, it's possible to filter it out. I know they have a lot of fans and defenders, but it would never occur to me to bash the fans or tell them they are dumb for buying their beauty or clothing products or watching their shows. I get being annoyed with Taylor if you are an NFL fan, but honestly, this is just a blip and it will blow over, and it kind of has nothing to do with her music or lyrics any way.

I cannot go a single day without either hearing Taylor Swift's music or hearing about her love life or her off stage behavior. I can go weeks without hearing Joe Biden's voice or anything about his life, but I can't go 24 hours without hearing about Taylor Swift. I don't even go on Instagram or Facebook -- I hear her music all the time in the world, people bring her up everywhere I go, she gets mentioned in news articles and pop culture stories that don't have anything to do with her.

Literally yesterday I was FaceTiming with my brother and SIL and their son, and my SIL, who I didn't even know liked Taylor Swift, suddenly explained she'd gotten some Swift-related piece of art for Christmas and then went on a 10 minute diatribe about not getting Eras tickets and going to see the Swift movie. This was in response to the question "so how is your holiday going? any fun gifts?"

So yes, I need this thread. Because when this happened what I said was "oh, that's cool. yeah, I heard those tickets were hard to come by. Mmm hmm, glad the movie was good. Did you guys see Oppenheimer? We finally watched it and really liked it. Oh, yeah, I heard about the Travis Kelce thing, interesting. Oh, speaking of music, we are going to see that new Leonard Bernstein bio-pic this week... oh yeah, we're still talking about Taylor Swift? Okay."

The Kardashians, even at the height of Kim & Kanye, have NOTHING on the current stranglehold that Swift has on our culture. Disliking Taylor Swift in 2023 is like not liking the Beatles in 1964. And yeah yeah yeah, everyone likes the Beatles. I do too. If 50 years from now everyone agrees Taylor Swift is like the Beatles, I'll give you a thumbs up from the grave, okay?

Okay, that is annoying that a lot of your friends and family are big fans and definitely her music is playing everywhere. My husband likes Taylor but not NEARLY as much as our two daughters (teen who is a huge Swifty and tween who is not to the same degree but a huge fan) and me who is a casual fan. But he doesn't know that much about her (I know because we rented the Eras tour and he was popping in and out why my girls and I watched and we were sharing facts that he either found amusing or rolled his eyes at). And he doesn't feel like he can't get away from her to the point where it is detracting from his life or his mental health. In his own free time he's really caught up in his own things he follows which leaves little time for Taylor culture.

I realize that it's hard to escape her music in some situations and convos about her, but I guess I'm confused as to why it bothers you so much. I"m not trying to psycho analyze you, but it is odd (and frankly, terrible for you) that you kind of refuse to understand why she resonates with some people, even if she doesn't resonate with you. Arguing that her lyrics and music are bad....I mean, they aren't. You have a right to not be a fan and not like her and not think her music and lyrics are that great and roll your eyes but when large amounts of people are telling you otherwise, why not just acknowledge it can't all be great marketing. It's clearly a combo of things I'm sure none of know but some have articulated parts of - she has stood up for herself at various times, she has used her influence to do some good things that people admire, she has some catchy songs, she has some interesting, well thought out lyrics, she is a good performer even though no one would argue she is the greatest at singing and dancing, but rather she puts on a great show. She has great marketing. She seems reasonably grounded for someone with her status. For whatever the combo of reasons....it's happening.

Arguing on message boards against it doesn't seem like a good use of time for you, and I'm not saying that snarkily. It just seems like it making you spend MORE time on taylor when that isn't what you should be doing!

Who are you to tell me how to use my time? Are you my boss? My husband?

Why can’t you just ignore this thread if it bothers you so much, instead of writing a fascist diatribe about how I can’t spend my free time criticizing Taylor Swift. I suppose my precious free time would be better spent watching the Eras tour? Because that’s so productive?

Take your own advice and move on. Don’t waste time arguing about how people shouldn’t complain about Taylor Swift on a thread titled about how awful she is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Comparing “blank space” and “America” by Paul simon?
That’s ridiculous and sad. Someone isn’t really arguing in good faith when they come up with absurd analogies.
Blank Space is a catchy pop tune. It’s got a hook ( which America does not). It’s meant for top 40 radio play. “America” is one of my favorite songs but get real. This is a silly comparison. And the sentiments aren’t rooted in anything similar.
Stop trying so hard.

I’m PP who made the comparison. Feel free to twist it around and take it out of context, but I was specifically asked who I do consider a good lyricist. Why do I have to pick a bad one to boost Taylor’s bland and reductive lyrics?

You want good pop lyrics? Listen to Regina Spektor. Do I have to go through everyone who is better than Taylor at writing lyrics? That would take up all year. Or do you want me to compare Taylor to the Spice Girls, so that she can sound good?

Do we have to lower musical standards to prop Taylor up? Or can’t her fans admit, she’s not a very good lyricist, even if her music makes you feel good. I love Abba, but I don’t go around saying Mama Mia has the best lyrics ever.

I am not quite sure you were the same poster, who was just looking for a place event, if if so, you are brutally contradicting yourself. Venting is different than practically begging Taylor Swift and to admit “yes her lyrics are not that good thank you for helping me see the light” lol. Do you not see why people are going to react to that. Sorry, but you’re probably not going get a lot of fans on this thread giving you that reaction. if that is what you need to be able to move on, I don’t know what to tell you.

It’s one thing to vent or complain, it’s another thing which a lot of posters are doing to practically beg people to agree with them. it’s super annoying to be told that you are the arbiter of musical taste and everybody else is wrong. It’s also just really weird.

+1
I don't even care who we're arguing about - this is the issue with that nasty human being. Such a blowhard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Comparing “blank space” and “America” by Paul simon?
That’s ridiculous and sad. Someone isn’t really arguing in good faith when they come up with absurd analogies.
Blank Space is a catchy pop tune. It’s got a hook ( which America does not). It’s meant for top 40 radio play. “America” is one of my favorite songs but get real. This is a silly comparison. And the sentiments aren’t rooted in anything similar.
Stop trying so hard.

I’m PP who made the comparison. Feel free to twist it around and take it out of context, but I was specifically asked who I do consider a good lyricist. Why do I have to pick a bad one to boost Taylor’s bland and reductive lyrics?

You want good pop lyrics? Listen to Regina Spektor. Do I have to go through everyone who is better than Taylor at writing lyrics? That would take up all year. Or do you want me to compare Taylor to the Spice Girls, so that she can sound good?

Do we have to lower musical standards to prop Taylor up? Or can’t her fans admit, she’s not a very good lyricist, even if her music makes you feel good. I love Abba, but I don’t go around saying Mama Mia has the best lyrics ever.

I am not quite sure you were the same poster, who was just looking for a place event, if if so, you are brutally contradicting yourself. Venting is different than practically begging Taylor Swift and to admit “yes her lyrics are not that good thank you for helping me see the light” lol. Do you not see why people are going to react to that. Sorry, but you’re probably not going get a lot of fans on this thread giving you that reaction. if that is what you need to be able to move on, I don’t know what to tell you.

It’s one thing to vent or complain, it’s another thing which a lot of posters are doing to practically beg people to agree with them. it’s super annoying to be told that you are the arbiter of musical taste and everybody else is wrong. It’s also just really weird.

I am not the same poster. Believe it or not, there are lots of people who quietly can’t stand Taylor. That being said, being specific and detailed in explaining why you don’t like Taylor Swift’s is not “begging people to agree with you.”

Take your own advice and “move on,” if you are so bothered by comprehensive critiques of her music.

Dp nothing new is going to be said by the haters
So the thread should end. They don't like her and cannot believe that she is wildly sucessfull. They think their opinion matters more than the millions of fans.

We should stop responding because we know the truth and their mild tantrum won't change the facts.

This thread should end “because nothing new is going to be said?”

What’s it to you if the “haters” go back and forth stating the same things over and over? It’s called freedom of expression and last I heard, it was legal to criticize a “wildly sucessfull [sic]” artist.

If reading these comments bothers you, move along and stop responding!

[Anonymous]

The irony that this thread was started back-and-forth 2022… Her Aero had not even started yet, right? And she definitely hasn’t started dating Travis. The coverage has gotten so much worse. It’s kind of funny.

At least OP had the balls to admit that she was jealous. All the other haters might as well come and admit something else is going on with their hatred… otherwise, this just isn’t normal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Comparing “blank space” and “America” by Paul simon?
That’s ridiculous and sad. Someone isn’t really arguing in good faith when they come up with absurd analogies.
Blank Space is a catchy pop tune. It’s got a hook ( which America does not). It’s meant for top 40 radio play. “America” is one of my favorite songs but get real. This is a silly comparison. And the sentiments aren’t rooted in anything similar.
Stop trying so hard.

I’m PP who made the comparison. Feel free to twist it around and take it out of context, but I was specifically asked who I do consider a good lyricist. Why do I have to pick a bad one to boost Taylor’s bland and reductive lyrics?

You want good pop lyrics? Listen to Regina Spektor. Do I have to go through everyone who is better than Taylor at writing lyrics? That would take up all year. Or do you want me to compare Taylor to the Spice Girls, so that she can sound good?

Do we have to lower musical standards to prop Taylor up? Or can’t her fans admit, she’s not a very good lyricist, even if her music makes you feel good. I love Abba, but I don’t go around saying Mama Mia has the best lyrics ever.

I am not quite sure you were the same poster, who was just looking for a place event, if if so, you are brutally contradicting yourself. Venting is different than practically begging Taylor Swift and to admit “yes her lyrics are not that good thank you for helping me see the light” lol. Do you not see why people are going to react to that. Sorry, but you’re probably not going get a lot of fans on this thread giving you that reaction. if that is what you need to be able to move on, I don’t know what to tell you.

It’s one thing to vent or complain, it’s another thing which a lot of posters are doing to practically beg people to agree with them. it’s super annoying to be told that you are the arbiter of musical taste and everybody else is wrong. It’s also just really weird.

+1
I don't even care who we're arguing about - this is the issue with that nasty human being. Such a blowhard.

No one is saying you can’t like Taylor, we were saying we don’t like her on a thread titled to express that sentiment. And then fans came on talking about how amazing she is. When her music was critiqued in a more detailed manner, the people issuing those criticisms are suddenly “blowhards” and “arbiters of musical taste.” No, they are voicing their opinions. Why can’t they?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Comparing “blank space” and “America” by Paul simon?
That’s ridiculous and sad. Someone isn’t really arguing in good faith when they come up with absurd analogies.
Blank Space is a catchy pop tune. It’s got a hook ( which America does not). It’s meant for top 40 radio play. “America” is one of my favorite songs but get real. This is a silly comparison. And the sentiments aren’t rooted in anything similar.
Stop trying so hard.

I’m PP who made the comparison. Feel free to twist it around and take it out of context, but I was specifically asked who I do consider a good lyricist. Why do I have to pick a bad one to boost Taylor’s bland and reductive lyrics?

You want good pop lyrics? Listen to Regina Spektor. Do I have to go through everyone who is better than Taylor at writing lyrics? That would take up all year. Or do you want me to compare Taylor to the Spice Girls, so that she can sound good?

Do we have to lower musical standards to prop Taylor up? Or can’t her fans admit, she’s not a very good lyricist, even if her music makes you feel good. I love Abba, but I don’t go around saying Mama Mia has the best lyrics ever.

I am not quite sure you were the same poster, who was just looking for a place event, if if so, you are brutally contradicting yourself. Venting is different than practically begging Taylor Swift and to admit “yes her lyrics are not that good thank you for helping me see the light” lol. Do you not see why people are going to react to that. Sorry, but you’re probably not going get a lot of fans on this thread giving you that reaction. if that is what you need to be able to move on, I don’t know what to tell you.

It’s one thing to vent or complain, it’s another thing which a lot of posters are doing to practically beg people to agree with them. it’s super annoying to be told that you are the arbiter of musical taste and everybody else is wrong. It’s also just really weird.

+1
I don't even care who we're arguing about - this is the issue with that nasty human being. Such a blowhard.

No one is saying you can’t like Taylor, we were saying we don’t like her on a thread titled to express that sentiment. And then fans came on talking about how amazing she is. When her music was critiqued in a more detailed manner, the people issuing those criticisms are suddenly “blowhards” and “arbiters of musical taste.” No, they are voicing their opinions. Why can’t they?

.

You can. 100%. It’s just sad as hell and a little pathetic, but you absolutely can.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Comparing “blank space” and “America” by Paul simon?
That’s ridiculous and sad. Someone isn’t really arguing in good faith when they come up with absurd analogies.
Blank Space is a catchy pop tune. It’s got a hook ( which America does not). It’s meant for top 40 radio play. “America” is one of my favorite songs but get real. This is a silly comparison. And the sentiments aren’t rooted in anything similar.
Stop trying so hard.

I’m PP who made the comparison. Feel free to twist it around and take it out of context, but I was specifically asked who I do consider a good lyricist. Why do I have to pick a bad one to boost Taylor’s bland and reductive lyrics?

You want good pop lyrics? Listen to Regina Spektor. Do I have to go through everyone who is better than Taylor at writing lyrics? That would take up all year. Or do you want me to compare Taylor to the Spice Girls, so that she can sound good?

Do we have to lower musical standards to prop Taylor up? Or can’t her fans admit, she’s not a very good lyricist, even if her music makes you feel good. I love Abba, but I don’t go around saying Mama Mia has the best lyrics ever.

I am not quite sure you were the same poster, who was just looking for a place event, if if so, you are brutally contradicting yourself. Venting is different than practically begging Taylor Swift and to admit “yes her lyrics are not that good thank you for helping me see the light” lol. Do you not see why people are going to react to that. Sorry, but you’re probably not going get a lot of fans on this thread giving you that reaction. if that is what you need to be able to move on, I don’t know what to tell you.

It’s one thing to vent or complain, it’s another thing which a lot of posters are doing to practically beg people to agree with them. it’s super annoying to be told that you are the arbiter of musical taste and everybody else is wrong. It’s also just really weird.

+1
I don't even care who we're arguing about - this is the issue with that nasty human being. Such a blowhard.

No one is saying you can’t like Taylor, we were saying we don’t like her on a thread titled to express that sentiment. And then fans came on talking about how amazing she is. When her music was critiqued in a more detailed manner, the people issuing those criticisms are suddenly “blowhards” and “arbiters of musical taste.” No, they are voicing their opinions. Why can’t they?

Oh, and I forgot PP is also a “nasty human being.” Why? Because she has different musical tastes than you? And has expressed them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Comparing “blank space” and “America” by Paul simon?
That’s ridiculous and sad. Someone isn’t really arguing in good faith when they come up with absurd analogies.
Blank Space is a catchy pop tune. It’s got a hook ( which America does not). It’s meant for top 40 radio play. “America” is one of my favorite songs but get real. This is a silly comparison. And the sentiments aren’t rooted in anything similar.
Stop trying so hard.

I’m PP who made the comparison. Feel free to twist it around and take it out of context, but I was specifically asked who I do consider a good lyricist. Why do I have to pick a bad one to boost Taylor’s bland and reductive lyrics?

You want good pop lyrics? Listen to Regina Spektor. Do I have to go through everyone who is better than Taylor at writing lyrics? That would take up all year. Or do you want me to compare Taylor to the Spice Girls, so that she can sound good?

Do we have to lower musical standards to prop Taylor up? Or can’t her fans admit, she’s not a very good lyricist, even if her music makes you feel good. I love Abba, but I don’t go around saying Mama Mia has the best lyrics ever.

I am not quite sure you were the same poster, who was just looking for a place event, if if so, you are brutally contradicting yourself. Venting is different than practically begging Taylor Swift and to admit “yes her lyrics are not that good thank you for helping me see the light” lol. Do you not see why people are going to react to that. Sorry, but you’re probably not going get a lot of fans on this thread giving you that reaction. if that is what you need to be able to move on, I don’t know what to tell you.

It’s one thing to vent or complain, it’s another thing which a lot of posters are doing to practically beg people to agree with them. it’s super annoying to be told that you are the arbiter of musical taste and everybody else is wrong. It’s also just really weird.

+1
I don't even care who we're arguing about - this is the issue with that nasty human being. Such a blowhard.

No one is saying you can’t like Taylor, we were saying we don’t like her on a thread titled to express that sentiment. And then fans came on talking about how amazing she is. When her music was critiqued in a more detailed manner, the people issuing those criticisms are suddenly “blowhards” and “arbiters of musical taste.” No, they are voicing their opinions. Why can’t they?

.

You can. 100%. It’s just sad as hell and a little pathetic, but you absolutely can.

Oh wow, thank you for granting me the permission! How thoughtful of you!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Comparing “blank space” and “America” by Paul simon?
That’s ridiculous and sad. Someone isn’t really arguing in good faith when they come up with absurd analogies.
Blank Space is a catchy pop tune. It’s got a hook ( which America does not). It’s meant for top 40 radio play. “America” is one of my favorite songs but get real. This is a silly comparison. And the sentiments aren’t rooted in anything similar.
Stop trying so hard.

I’m PP who made the comparison. Feel free to twist it around and take it out of context, but I was specifically asked who I do consider a good lyricist. Why do I have to pick a bad one to boost Taylor’s bland and reductive lyrics?

You want good pop lyrics? Listen to Regina Spektor. Do I have to go through everyone who is better than Taylor at writing lyrics? That would take up all year. Or do you want me to compare Taylor to the Spice Girls, so that she can sound good?

Do we have to lower musical standards to prop Taylor up? Or can’t her fans admit, she’s not a very good lyricist, even if her music makes you feel good. I love Abba, but I don’t go around saying Mama Mia has the best lyrics ever.

I am not quite sure you were the same poster, who was just looking for a place event, if if so, you are brutally contradicting yourself. Venting is different than practically begging Taylor Swift and to admit “yes her lyrics are not that good thank you for helping me see the light” lol. Do you not see why people are going to react to that. Sorry, but you’re probably not going get a lot of fans on this thread giving you that reaction. if that is what you need to be able to move on, I don’t know what to tell you.

It’s one thing to vent or complain, it’s another thing which a lot of posters are doing to practically beg people to agree with them. it’s super annoying to be told that you are the arbiter of musical taste and everybody else is wrong. It’s also just really weird.

+1
I don't even care who we're arguing about - this is the issue with that nasty human being. Such a blowhard.

No one is saying you can’t like Taylor, we were saying we don’t like her on a thread titled to express that sentiment. And then fans came on talking about how amazing she is. When her music was critiqued in a more detailed manner, the people issuing those criticisms are suddenly “blowhards” and “arbiters of musical taste.” No, they are voicing their opinions. Why can’t they?

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You can. 100%. It’s just sad as hell and a little pathetic, but you absolutely can.

When I was a teenager, when I'd disagree with my dad, who was and is a physically and emotionally abusive narcissist, he'd do this thing when he'd lost an argument where he'd get really calm and condescending.

"Of course, you can dress however you'd like, dear. You'll look like a pathetic little whore, but you can of course decide what clothes to put on your body."

"You are of course entitled to your opinion. You sound like an ignorant, idiot bleeding heart liberal, but it's a free country."

I wonder why I thought of that just now.

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Anonymous wrote:Comparing “blank space” and “America” by Paul simon?
That’s ridiculous and sad. Someone isn’t really arguing in good faith when they come up with absurd analogies.
Blank Space is a catchy pop tune. It’s got a hook ( which America does not). It’s meant for top 40 radio play. “America” is one of my favorite songs but get real. This is a silly comparison. And the sentiments aren’t rooted in anything similar.
Stop trying so hard.

I’m PP who made the comparison. Feel free to twist it around and take it out of context, but I was specifically asked who I do consider a good lyricist. Why do I have to pick a bad one to boost Taylor’s bland and reductive lyrics?

You want good pop lyrics? Listen to Regina Spektor. Do I have to go through everyone who is better than Taylor at writing lyrics? That would take up all year. Or do you want me to compare Taylor to the Spice Girls, so that she can sound good?

Do we have to lower musical standards to prop Taylor up? Or can’t her fans admit, she’s not a very good lyricist, even if her music makes you feel good. I love Abba, but I don’t go around saying Mama Mia has the best lyrics ever.

I am not quite sure you were the same poster, who was just looking for a place event, if if so, you are brutally contradicting yourself. Venting is different than practically begging Taylor Swift and to admit “yes her lyrics are not that good thank you for helping me see the light” lol. Do you not see why people are going to react to that. Sorry, but you’re probably not going get a lot of fans on this thread giving you that reaction. if that is what you need to be able to move on, I don’t know what to tell you.

It’s one thing to vent or complain, it’s another thing which a lot of posters are doing to practically beg people to agree with them. it’s super annoying to be told that you are the arbiter of musical taste and everybody else is wrong. It’s also just really weird.

I am not the same poster. Believe it or not, there are lots of people who quietly can’t stand Taylor. That being said, being specific and detailed in explaining why you don’t like Taylor Swift’s is not “begging people to agree with you.”

Take your own advice and “move on,” if you are so bothered by comprehensive critiques of her music.

Dp nothing new is going to be said by the haters
So the thread should end. They don't like her and cannot believe that she is wildly sucessfull. They think their opinion matters more than the millions of fans.

We should stop responding because we know the truth and their mild tantrum won't change the facts.

This thread should end “because nothing new is going to be said?”

What’s it to you if the “haters” go back and forth stating the same things over and over? It’s called freedom of expression and last I heard, it was legal to criticize a “wildly sucessfull [sic]” artist.

If reading these comments bothers you, move along and stop responding!

You don't get to tell me how to respond. And you are haters. Why the quotes?

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Comparing “blank space” and “America” by Paul simon?
That’s ridiculous and sad. Someone isn’t really arguing in good faith when they come up with absurd analogies.
Blank Space is a catchy pop tune. It’s got a hook ( which America does not). It’s meant for top 40 radio play. “America” is one of my favorite songs but get real. This is a silly comparison. And the sentiments aren’t rooted in anything similar.
Stop trying so hard.

I’m PP who made the comparison. Feel free to twist it around and take it out of context, but I was specifically asked who I do consider a good lyricist. Why do I have to pick a bad one to boost Taylor’s bland and reductive lyrics?

You want good pop lyrics? Listen to Regina Spektor. Do I have to go through everyone who is better than Taylor at writing lyrics? That would take up all year. Or do you want me to compare Taylor to the Spice Girls, so that she can sound good?

Do we have to lower musical standards to prop Taylor up? Or can’t her fans admit, she’s not a very good lyricist, even if her music makes you feel good. I love Abba, but I don’t go around saying Mama Mia has the best lyrics ever.

I am not quite sure you were the same poster, who was just looking for a place event, if if so, you are brutally contradicting yourself. Venting is different than practically begging Taylor Swift and to admit “yes her lyrics are not that good thank you for helping me see the light” lol. Do you not see why people are going to react to that. Sorry, but you’re probably not going get a lot of fans on this thread giving you that reaction. if that is what you need to be able to move on, I don’t know what to tell you.

It’s one thing to vent or complain, it’s another thing which a lot of posters are doing to practically beg people to agree with them. it’s super annoying to be told that you are the arbiter of musical taste and everybody else is wrong. It’s also just really weird.

I am not the same poster. Believe it or not, there are lots of people who quietly can’t stand Taylor. That being said, being specific and detailed in explaining why you don’t like Taylor Swift’s is not “begging people to agree with you.”

Take your own advice and “move on,” if you are so bothered by comprehensive critiques of her music.

Dp nothing new is going to be said by the haters
So the thread should end. They don't like her and cannot believe that she is wildly sucessfull. They think their opinion matters more than the millions of fans.

We should stop responding because we know the truth and their mild tantrum won't change the facts.

This thread should end “because nothing new is going to be said?”

What’s it to you if the “haters” go back and forth stating the same things over and over? It’s called freedom of expression and last I heard, it was legal to criticize a “wildly sucessfull [sic]” artist.

If reading these comments bothers you, move along and stop responding!

You don't get to tell me how to respond. And you are haters. Why the quotes?

DP. You all seem to hate us for not liking Taylor Swift. Doesn't that make you haters too?