Anyone else surprised by a lack of interest in William & Mary?

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Anonymous wrote:Listen to the kids, high pressure, low fun is about right. High suicide rate, it’s up there with Cornell. Look it up.

I remember all those suicides some years ago.

+1 link to suicide rates for the last 5 years.

Also”high pressure, low fun” is at odds with happiest student takings year after year.


Sorry your kids was rejected. Try CNU or UMW.

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W&M is a great school. We wanted our son to love it as it would be a solid target. It is close to home and it would a perfect back up.

DS hated it and said he would be so disappointed going there.

Williamsburg I guess doesn’t seem like an exciting place to go away to college. I mean we barely go there every few years.

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Anonymous wrote:Listen to the kids, high pressure, low fun is about right. High suicide rate, it’s up there with Cornell. Look it up.

At William and Mary it is below the national average for the age group. Over half of universities don't even track or report.

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Anonymous wrote:W&M is a great school. We wanted our son to love it as it would be a solid target. It is close to home and it would a perfect back up.

DS hated it and said he would be so disappointed going there.

Williamsburg I guess doesn’t seem like an exciting place to go away to college. I mean we barely go there every few years.

I understand and it is perfectly fine. No college appeals to everybody. Ours was done within 10 minutes of touring VT, but that does not make VT a bad college or place. It was just not a fit for DC.

Wishing your DS good luck and hopefully he will end up in his happy place

With TO many, or most, colleges have seen increases in applications. As long as they still have large enough applicant pools and commitments from students with the usual performance level for that college, I do not any issue.

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Anonymous wrote:W&M is a great school. We wanted our son to love it as it would be a solid target. It is close to home and it would a perfect back up.

DS hated it and said he would be so disappointed going there.

Williamsburg I guess doesn’t seem like an exciting place to go away to college. I mean we barely go there every few years.

So many places aren’t exciting though. For my DS that just got in, he didn’t focus on the colonial thing. It’s a pretty area that’s kind of suburban. It’s not a city but it’s not the middle of nowhere. A number of schools he was looking at are truly in rural locations (see Gambler OH) or are in depressed, older cities (eg Rochester) so Williamsburg seems relatively pleasant. If you have a kid that wants NYC or something its obviously not a fit and it’s not a big college town like you get at a huge state school but it seems better to me than a lot of alternatives.

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Anonymous wrote:I think William and Mary is a love it or hate it place - and both my kids hated it because of the vibe ((seemed) not fun, very academic, town is touristy and not much to do, a lot of talk about pressure and how to relieve stress by our tour guide) - this vibe even carried over in the video they played on the tour a few years ago). All of this said, the school knows who it is and I like that about it - they don't try to pretend to be something they are not to appease the US News BS. Other institutions with similar reputations (U of C) are trying to seem cooler and more relevant to keep their ratings up - and somehow that seems sad to me. Students of all types need a home and that's why when the program works for a W&M student they hit it out of the park.

All true. Virginia is fortunate to have the only public in the United States that, in essence, is a SLAC. That will appeal to those who are going to college to study and learn versus the rah-rah partiers. It's all a good thing. The Commonwealth has 30 public institutions (including community college) to choose from. There is something for everyone.

Not to nitpick, BUT that's not quite true. St Mary's (MD), College of NJ and UNC Asheville come to mind as others. Probably more.

Only US public National (vs regional or SLAC) U.

William and Mary may be the only national public university that is similar in undergraduate enrollment (and residential nature) to many of the selective, prestigious privates (5-10K). For undergraduate study, almost all prestigious public schools are significantly larger (and less residential) than their private counterparts. William and Mary couples this with having more focus on undergraduate study (and faculty mentored research) rather than graduate programs and sponsored research.

W&M is comparable to Dartmouth and Rice in that regard (although less recognized and with less research of course), but I don't think you can compare it to the rest of the T20 just because its undergraduate population sizes are similar. All the T20s sans Dartmouth are major research universities. Columbia for example has a undergrad population of 6k and a grad population of 26k.

Comparing W&M to Dartmouth and Rice is laughable.

Not if you have any semblance of reading comprehensive. The comparison here is on school size, not prestige.

That's a stretch.

W&M doesn't belong in the same sentence with Dartmouth or Rice, regardless of "context."

DCUM boosters. Yeesh.

Clearly I used it in the same sentence and compared their sizes, what are you going to do about it?

Dartmouth and Rice are T20 colleges around 4500 students. Peers.

W&M is top 50ish, probably the 3rd best college in Virginia, 7000 students.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

You're the one embarrassing yourself with your pathetic slovenly fellation of Dartmouth and Rice.

A difference of 4.5k and 6k students is non-significant when universities range from having 1k to 40k students. And both are primarily undergrad-focused schools like W&M.

Prestige-wise it's embarrassing that you think Rice is anywhere close to Dartmouth, or that Dartmouth is anywhere close to the top Ivies. It betrays your pathetic striver background that you think you know about university prestige based on US News rankings alone.

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Anonymous wrote:I think William and Mary is a love it or hate it place - and both my kids hated it because of the vibe ((seemed) not fun, very academic, town is touristy and not much to do, a lot of talk about pressure and how to relieve stress by our tour guide) - this vibe even carried over in the video they played on the tour a few years ago). All of this said, the school knows who it is and I like that about it - they don't try to pretend to be something they are not to appease the US News BS. Other institutions with similar reputations (U of C) are trying to seem cooler and more relevant to keep their ratings up - and somehow that seems sad to me. Students of all types need a home and that's why when the program works for a W&M student they hit it out of the park.

All true. Virginia is fortunate to have the only public in the United States that, in essence, is a SLAC. That will appeal to those who are going to college to study and learn versus the rah-rah partiers. It's all a good thing. The Commonwealth has 30 public institutions (including community college) to choose from. There is something for everyone.

Not to nitpick, BUT that's not quite true. St Mary's (MD), College of NJ and UNC Asheville come to mind as others. Probably more.

Only US public National (vs regional or SLAC) U.

William and Mary may be the only national public university that is similar in undergraduate enrollment (and residential nature) to many of the selective, prestigious privates (5-10K). For undergraduate study, almost all prestigious public schools are significantly larger (and less residential) than their private counterparts. William and Mary couples this with having more focus on undergraduate study (and faculty mentored research) rather than graduate programs and sponsored research.

W&M is comparable to Dartmouth and Rice in that regard (although less recognized and with less research of course), but I don't think you can compare it to the rest of the T20 just because its undergraduate population sizes are similar. All the T20s sans Dartmouth are major research universities. Columbia for example has a undergrad population of 6k and a grad population of 26k.

Comparing W&M to Dartmouth and Rice is laughable.

Not if you have any semblance of reading comprehensive. The comparison here is on school size, not prestige.

That's a stretch.

W&M doesn't belong in the same sentence with Dartmouth or Rice, regardless of "context."

DCUM boosters. Yeesh.

Clearly I used it in the same sentence and compared their sizes, what are you going to do about it?

Dartmouth and Rice are T20 colleges around 4500 students. Peers.

W&M is top 50ish, probably the 3rd best college in Virginia, 7000 students.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

You're the one embarrassing yourself with your pathetic slovenly fellation of Dartmouth and Rice.

A difference of 4.5k and 6k students is non-significant when universities range from having 1k to 40k students. And both are primarily undergrad-focused schools like W&M.

Prestige-wise it's embarrassing that you think Rice is anywhere close to Dartmouth, or that Dartmouth is anywhere close to the top Ivies. It betrays your pathetic striver background that you think you know about university prestige based on US News rankings alone.

Sad that some goober thought that "school size" was a factor to compare W&M to....wait... Dartmouth and Rice - two top 20 colleges.

How about UMBC? American U?

There are levels to this.

The fact that someone had to resuscitate a 2019 thread speaks of the desperation to even make W&M relevant. On a DCUM thread at that.

The irony.

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W&M has several issues that makes it unattractive but the worst one, and also the one that it can't change, is its location.

1. It's an oversized LAC with no CS or engineering in the age of technology.
2. The lack of federally funded research dollars limits the rigor of classes provided at higher levels vs. universities where top undergrads often take graduate level courses. It also means lack of research opportunities and worse facilities.
3. The school is stressful, but students seem to incorrectly think they are at MIT, U. Chicago or Cornell. It's no where as bad.
4. It has parties and sports but they aren't as large as other publics, which is fine given there are plenty of options in-state and out for those that want that.
5. There are plenty of different types of students. If you're the kind worried about being surrounded by "quirky" or "weird" kids, you're probably aren't one of the cool kids anyways.
6. On the other end, the students aren't so kind or collaborative either. It's as competitive as any other school in it's tier, especially in pre-med and business.

The location, though, is unforgivably terrible.

1. It's suburban, so students don't get the fast-pace and opportunities of an urban environment nor the rustic charm of a rural location.
2. Despite being suburban, it's far from any major metros.
3. It's a tourist trap, so despite being a suburban location far from major metros, it's expensive. There aren't any charming and cheap local shops and cafes because they're replaced by national brands catering to tourists.
4. It's a retirement destination for seniors which adds to the high living expense. Despite being suburban, there aren't many young families around.
6. It's quite literally built on top of a swamp. So it's extremely humid and muggy.
7. It's in the South.

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How about UMBC? American U?

Neither of these are prestigious or highly selective

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Anonymous wrote:I think William and Mary is a love it or hate it place - and both my kids hated it because of the vibe ((seemed) not fun, very academic, town is touristy and not much to do, a lot of talk about pressure and how to relieve stress by our tour guide) - this vibe even carried over in the video they played on the tour a few years ago). All of this said, the school knows who it is and I like that about it - they don't try to pretend to be something they are not to appease the US News BS. Other institutions with similar reputations (U of C) are trying to seem cooler and more relevant to keep their ratings up - and somehow that seems sad to me. Students of all types need a home and that's why when the program works for a W&M student they hit it out of the park.

All true. Virginia is fortunate to have the only public in the United States that, in essence, is a SLAC. That will appeal to those who are going to college to study and learn versus the rah-rah partiers. It's all a good thing. The Commonwealth has 30 public institutions (including community college) to choose from. There is something for everyone.

Not to nitpick, BUT that's not quite true. St Mary's (MD), College of NJ and UNC Asheville come to mind as others. Probably more.

Only US public National (vs regional or SLAC) U.

William and Mary may be the only national public university that is similar in undergraduate enrollment (and residential nature) to many of the selective, prestigious privates (5-10K). For undergraduate study, almost all prestigious public schools are significantly larger (and less residential) than their private counterparts. William and Mary couples this with having more focus on undergraduate study (and faculty mentored research) rather than graduate programs and sponsored research.

W&M is comparable to Dartmouth and Rice in that regard (although less recognized and with less research of course), but I don't think you can compare it to the rest of the T20 just because its undergraduate population sizes are similar. All the T20s sans Dartmouth are major research universities. Columbia for example has a undergrad population of 6k and a grad population of 26k.

Comparing W&M to Dartmouth and Rice is laughable.

Not if you have any semblance of reading comprehensive. The comparison here is on school size, not prestige.

That's a stretch.

W&M doesn't belong in the same sentence with Dartmouth or Rice, regardless of "context."

DCUM boosters. Yeesh.

Clearly I used it in the same sentence and compared their sizes, what are you going to do about it?

Dartmouth and Rice are T20 colleges around 4500 students. Peers.

W&M is top 50ish, probably the 3rd best college in Virginia, 7000 students.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

You're the one embarrassing yourself with your pathetic slovenly fellation of Dartmouth and Rice.

A difference of 4.5k and 6k students is non-significant when universities range from having 1k to 40k students. And both are primarily undergrad-focused schools like W&M.

Prestige-wise it's embarrassing that you think Rice is anywhere close to Dartmouth, or that Dartmouth is anywhere close to the top Ivies. It betrays your pathetic striver background that you think you know about university prestige based on US News rankings alone.

Sad that some goober thought that "school size" was a factor to compare W&M to....wait... Dartmouth and Rice - two top 20 colleges.

How about UMBC? American U?

There are levels to this.

The fact that someone had to resuscitate a 2019 thread speaks of the desperation to even make W&M relevant. On a DCUM thread at that.

The irony.

The fact that you keep repeating Dartmouth and Rice being top 20 colleges show how much of a sycophantic fellator you are.

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Anonymous wrote:W&M has several issues that makes it unattractive but the worst one, and also the one that it can't change, is its location.

1. It's an oversized LAC with no CS

Huh?? It has a huge CS program. 5th biggest major

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Anonymous wrote:I think William and Mary is a love it or hate it place - and both my kids hated it because of the vibe ((seemed) not fun, very academic, town is touristy and not much to do, a lot of talk about pressure and how to relieve stress by our tour guide) - this vibe even carried over in the video they played on the tour a few years ago). All of this said, the school knows who it is and I like that about it - they don't try to pretend to be something they are not to appease the US News BS. Other institutions with similar reputations (U of C) are trying to seem cooler and more relevant to keep their ratings up - and somehow that seems sad to me. Students of all types need a home and that's why when the program works for a W&M student they hit it out of the park.

All true. Virginia is fortunate to have the only public in the United States that, in essence, is a SLAC. That will appeal to those who are going to college to study and learn versus the rah-rah partiers. It's all a good thing. The Commonwealth has 30 public institutions (including community college) to choose from. There is something for everyone.

Not to nitpick, BUT that's not quite true. St Mary's (MD), College of NJ and UNC Asheville come to mind as others. Probably more.

Only US public National (vs regional or SLAC) U.

William and Mary may be the only national public university that is similar in undergraduate enrollment (and residential nature) to many of the selective, prestigious privates (5-10K). For undergraduate study, almost all prestigious public schools are significantly larger (and less residential) than their private counterparts. William and Mary couples this with having more focus on undergraduate study (and faculty mentored research) rather than graduate programs and sponsored research.

W&M is comparable to Dartmouth and Rice in that regard (although less recognized and with less research of course), but I don't think you can compare it to the rest of the T20 just because its undergraduate population sizes are similar. All the T20s sans Dartmouth are major research universities. Columbia for example has a undergrad population of 6k and a grad population of 26k.

Comparing W&M to Dartmouth and Rice is laughable.

Not if you have any semblance of reading comprehensive. The comparison here is on school size, not prestige.

That's a stretch.

W&M doesn't belong in the same sentence with Dartmouth or Rice, regardless of "context."

DCUM boosters. Yeesh.

Clearly I used it in the same sentence and compared their sizes, what are you going to do about it?

Dartmouth and Rice are T20 colleges around 4500 students. Peers.

W&M is top 50ish, probably the 3rd best college in Virginia, 7000 students.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

You're the one embarrassing yourself with your pathetic slovenly fellation of Dartmouth and Rice.

A difference of 4.5k and 6k students is non-significant when universities range from having 1k to 40k students. And both are primarily undergrad-focused schools like W&M.

Prestige-wise it's embarrassing that you think Rice is anywhere close to Dartmouth, or that Dartmouth is anywhere close to the top Ivies. It betrays your pathetic striver background that you think you know about university prestige based on US News rankings alone.

Sad that some goober thought that "school size" was a factor to compare W&M to....wait... Dartmouth and Rice - two top 20 colleges.

How about UMBC? American U?

There are levels to this.

The fact that someone had to resuscitate a 2019 thread speaks of the desperation to even make W&M relevant. On a DCUM thread at that.

The irony.

The fact that you keep repeating Dartmouth and Rice being top 20 colleges show how much of a sycophantic fellator you are.

Die on your "school size " comparison hill.

LOL

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Anonymous wrote:W&M has several issues that makes it unattractive but the worst one, and also the one that it can't change, is its location.

1. It's an oversized LAC with no CS or engineering in the age of technology.
2. The lack of federally funded research dollars limits the rigor of classes provided at higher levels vs. universities where top undergrads often take graduate level courses. It also means lack of research opportunities and worse facilities.
3. The school is stressful, but students seem to incorrectly think they are at MIT, U. Chicago or Cornell. It's no where as bad.
4. It has parties and sports but they aren't as large as other publics, which is fine given there are plenty of options in-state and out for those that want that.
5. There are plenty of different types of students. If you're the kind worried about being surrounded by "quirky" or "weird" kids, you're probably aren't one of the cool kids anyways.
6. On the other end, the students aren't so kind or collaborative either. It's as competitive as any other school in it's tier, especially in pre-med and business.

The location, though, is unforgivably terrible.

1. It's suburban, so students don't get the fast-pace and opportunities of an urban environment nor the rustic charm of a rural location.
2. Despite being suburban, it's far from any major metros.
3. It's a tourist trap, so despite being a suburban location far from major metros, it's expensive. There aren't any charming and cheap local shops and cafes because they're replaced by national brands catering to tourists.
4. It's a retirement destination for seniors which adds to the high living expense. Despite being suburban, there aren't many young families around.
6. It's quite literally built on top of a swamp. So it's extremely humid and muggy.
7. It's in the South.

You really sound like you have an axe to grind. My kid looked at W&M seriously. It wasn't for them but there were a lot of positives. Some negatives too but nowhere near to the extent of your post. Two of their friends were thrilled to get in ED. Alums who I am friends with are insanely loyal to the place.

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They just reported an increase (again) in ED applications.