what happened to William and Mary??

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I think LACs in general are going down in rankings. They aren't producing as good of an ROI.

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Anonymous wrote:Admitted students day in 2022–parents were asking “me” questions in front of hundreds of people and would not shut up. Why can’t students have cars? Child has a gluten free diet etc etc. child needs AC. it went on and on. The parents were insufferable. DD said on the way home she was sticking with another admit.

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We experienced the same thing! “Insufferable” is exactly the right word. So many precious snowflakes there, and most seemed like the typical annoying theater kids. DS immediately took it off his list.

? my DC is a theater kid and is pretty laid back. Never knew theater kids had this kind of stereotype.

Sports parents are triggered by self-confident weaklings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think LACs in general are going down in rankings. They aren't producing as good of an ROI.

LACs are ranked separately

[Anonymous]

What happened to William & Mary?:

https://news.wm.edu/2023/12/20/william-mary-sees-another-significant-increase-in-early-decision-applications/

It's still getting more popular

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Anonymous wrote:We love the W&M campus, and Colonial Williamsurg next door. But come Admitted Student's Day last year, when they gave us a chance to look at the dorms, eat the food, etc... all of a sudden it didn't feel like such a good deal, OP. Quality is a bit lacking, compared to some other campuses in the larger DC area. UMD has better food (and better dorms, at least for Honors, which DC was invited to), for cheaper. GW has the best dorms and the best food in the area, and while the sticker price is more expensive, merit aid brought it down to the same prices as W&M. Georgetown is a cut above all of these in reputation, so maybe some people stuck in dodgy dorms there are OK with that. All this to say that W&M starts looking a lot less interesting when you get down to nitty-gritty comparisons.

The school is undergoing a massive renovation project with new dorms and buildings coming online every year for the next 3 years. They also hired a new food vendor last summer.

In terms of rankings, the USNWR criteria was altered pretty drastically this past year. It places a huge emphasis on Pell grant recipients, first gen students, etc. It hurt a number of smaller schools or schools without large endowments. It will be interesting to see how this helps/hurts the value placed on USNWR moving forward. It is definitely interesting to see how rankings were altered when they were moved away from academics and more towards other factors. It certainly helped Tech..

Just a note that it’s a 10 year renovation…so it will be a while. My kid was turned off by W&M and has a friend who chose CNU over W&M after going to both of the admitted student days. He was turned off by all the things previously mentioned, like the poor food, lack of air conditioning, high stress students, etc.

Here’s a link to the original renovation plan: https://news.wm.edu/2022/04/21/wm-announces-comprehensive-facilities-plan-for-housing-and-dining/

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W&M attracts certain type of quirky kid imo - not really popular with the top privates, except as the occasional safety - my DCs private has an experienced and seasoned guidance department that is not enamored with the school, and guides kids toward more interesting public options in the South with Georgia, Tenn, Fla, UT, etc etc

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Anonymous wrote:W&M attracts certain type of quirky kid imo - not really popular with the top privates, except as the occasional safety - my DCs private has an experienced and seasoned guidance department that is not enamored with the school, and guides kids toward more interesting public options in the South with Georgia, Tenn, Fla, UT, etc etc

Maybe not popular at your "top private," but it is at others. Plus, W&M is very different from a huge SEC party school with considerably lower admissions standards/entering class stats like Univrsity of Tennessee -- kids who'd be a good fit at one probably wouldn't be a good fit at the other. And come on, no more than a handful of "top private" kids are gunning for mid-tier souther state schools (but could see UT Austin, UF and a few others as they're a cut above).

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Anonymous wrote:W&M attracts certain type of quirky kid imo - not really popular with the top privates, except as the occasional safety - my DCs private has an experienced and seasoned guidance department that is not enamored with the school, and guides kids toward more interesting public options in the South with Georgia, Tenn, Fla, UT, etc etc

Can we stop labeling all the students there quirky? Besides the fact that it is not true, you as a grown a** adult really should not be name-calling teenagers/young 20 year olds lol

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Anonymous wrote:I think LACs in general are going down in rankings. They aren't producing as good of an ROI.

LACs are ranked separately

There is a separate LAC ranking, but national LACs are included in the USWNR national ranking. W&M is on the list at #53 below VTech. Per OP's post, LACs have been going down in the rankings, and IMO, the reason for that is because of the lack of ROI.

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Anonymous wrote:well you can minimize it to change in calculation but 100% will have an impact in applicant profile

I don't think that's true at all. People on these forms put wayy too much emphasis on rankings

SOME people on these forums.

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Anonymous wrote:Admitted students day in 2022–parents were asking “me” questions in front of hundreds of people and would not shut up. Why can’t students have cars? Child has a gluten free diet etc etc. child needs AC. it went on and on. The parents were insufferable. DD said on the way home she was sticking with another admit.

+1
We experienced the same thing! “Insufferable” is exactly the right word. So many precious snowflakes there, and most seemed like the typical annoying theater kids. DS immediately took it off his list.

? my DC is a theater kid and is pretty laid back. Never knew theater kids had this kind of stereotype.

Ignore PP.

They encourage cliques and intolerance.

Be glad their kid won’t be there.

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lol

Your kids couldn’t even get in

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Anonymous wrote:W&M attracts certain type of quirky kid imo - not really popular with the top privates, except as the occasional safety - my DCs private has an experienced and seasoned guidance department that is not enamored with the school, and guides kids toward more interesting public options in the South with Georgia, Tenn, Fla, UT, etc etc

What's quirky is wasting your time looking down on the students of a school just because you personally don't like it.

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Anonymous wrote:I think LACs in general are going down in rankings. They aren't producing as good of an ROI.

A 2019 report from the Georgetown University Center on Education and the Workforce calculated that liberal arts colleges have among the best ROI’s of all universities and colleges: 40 years after college, “The ROI of liberal arts colleges rises to $918,000, nearly $200,000 higher than the median ROI of $723,000.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Admitted students day in 2022–parents were asking “me” questions in front of hundreds of people and would not shut up. Why can’t students have cars? Child has a gluten free diet etc etc. child needs AC. it went on and on. The parents were insufferable. DD said on the way home she was sticking with another admit.

To be fair, there are versions of this at virtually every school now. Check out some of the parent Facebook groups.