Can someone explain our Ukraine response?
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Anonymous
Have you heard of Cold War? We were avoiding direct military conflict with Russia for DECADES. Oh, what could be the potential reason  Maybe the fact that Russia is a different caliber country from those we have tried to "protect democracy" in? Was Soviet Union some bastion of democracy? Why didn't we roll in to protect them?
Why aren't we getting involved in all the other squirmishes former Soviet republics and now independent countries have with one another and Russia? Did we interfere with Georgia or Armenia? Did we give a rat's behind about the wars in the middle asia region with all the "stans" ? Why Ukraine and why now? |
Anonymous
Is Ukraine the only country in the world fighting? there were tons of squirmishes and definite abuses of power in other former Soviet republics after they separated and became independent, none of you gave a shit. You also care less about what's going on in Africa or Middle east and what violations are happening and the entire refugee crisis sweeping Europe. And we withdrew from Afganistan leaving them to the dogs in literal sense and patting ourselves on the back for accepting a few refugees to feel better. Putin invaded Ukraine back in 2014 when there was a coup of sorts overthrowing his puppet governmet. You probably haven't heard much about it, and neither have I, I just learned yesterday, that's how ignorant many of us had been about what's going on. We only care about what headlines capture and hammer into our brains every day. |
Anonymous
Hmmm, did Biden blackmail Ukraine for personal gain? No? |
Anonymous
Because they were working together. Did you miss what happened with Syria and the Kurds? |
BlueFredneck
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tl;dr version: the fear is that direct NATO intervention will lead to World War III. Biden's strategy takes a longer time to work. Russia and Ukraine will also need to consider supplies after this weekend.
There's also the hope that Ukraine will hold out longer than Afghanistan's government did last summer; at least with say Kiev holding out until late March and the Ukrainian government holding together along with a large conventional force until April/May. If they can do that, Russia's military would need to resupply (vulnerable to partisan and stay-behind operations) and occupy (there's plenty of people who wouldn't kill a soldier but would be willing to blow up a railroad, send videos clandestinely, host a nice polite young man without questions, etc.) Likewise, Ukraine will need its own resupply, but the ports of Odessa and (AFAIK) Mariupol remain open, as do the land borders to Romania, Moldova (Transnistria might stop that), Poland, Hungary, and Slovakia. Putin is driving for Kiev, and hoping to decapitate Ukraine in one blow and install some puppet to "surrender". From there he is hoping it will be like France after the fall of Paris in 1870 and 1940, with Ukraine meekly falling into line, with any resistance movement fading away through military defeat + mistakes on the part of the resistance + a global wish to just move on. Because the alternative (for him) is 5x worse than Afghanistan - a protracted occupation which will end any impulse to end the sanctions and put Russia into South Africa in the 70s and 80s territory. Russian retaliation (not known for its restraint) and such will get immediate play worldwide. He's also hoping that he is de facto forgiven as he was after Georgia in 2008 (Russia didn't have any major goal of actually going into Tbilisi and so Putin's aims were 100% achieved) and after Crimea in 2014 (Russia occupied regions that were 80-90% in the tank for Russia). But his aims at least so far seem broader than they were in Georgia and Crimea - his armies have progressed further into Ukraine - and in a few days will need resupply. This article talks about the challenges Russia faces in invading the Baltics, but the supply capabilities remain the same. https://warontherocks.com/2021/11/feeding-the-bear-a-closer-look-at-russian-army-logistics/ |
Anonymous
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There is no explanation, OP.
Our response has been weak since the start of this crisis (going back to March 2021 when Russia started their troop build up). There is just no explanation, sadly. |
Anonymous
Explain how they worked together on this one... https://www.newsweek.com/us-military-killed-200-russians-syria-airstrikes-pompeo-says-trump-considers-883947 |
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The US is trying to avoid WW3. Did you see China and Russia declare themselves partners?
It's awful what is going on in Ukraine but there are countries which are in Europe that have mature militaries. They aren't rushing to aid either. This is unfolding all over screens everywhere which is why it's hard to sit back and simply watch. It's not our fight right now. |
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And also, why haven't we defended the Uighurs? I mean, war with China would be a piece of cake, right.
Let's figure out what we can do about the repression the people of Quebec are experiencing. They've been locked in their homes for two years now. It's repression and it's untenable. Invade Canada? Why not. They don't have nukes. Liberate the Quebecois! Post haste! The point is we don't go around invading countries in Europe willy nilly. We will totally take over some, to quote a US President, "shithole country" because they don't have the capacity to kill our civilians in the US. The Soviet Union could kill us just as quickly as we kill them. It's more complicated to attack a powerful nation. It means we likely have to deal with a war on our soil. The US people have no historical memory of what that's like. Pearl Harbor was two isolated and too long ago to count. |
Anonymous
US does not have to now. The red line is the NATO countries. |
Anonymous
Exactly - they were sitting pretty blackmailing him, funding him, and getting all our classified information. Why stop a good thing. All of that emboldened them to what is happening now. |
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Russia invades Crimea and China invades all of the South China Sea under Obama. Russia invades Ukraine under Biden. The whole world knows that when Democrats are in charge in the US the US turns into a spineless, gutless coward. Democrats have zero spine to stand up for anything.
It's so funny going back to watch the debates between Romney and Obama. Remember how the Democrats and liberal media incessantly blasted Romney when he stated that Russia remained the US' biggest foreign threat while Obama said Al Qaeda? What a joke. Romney was right by a country mile. Obama was extremely weak when it came to foreign affairs. He let Russia and China run laps around him. He was too busy drone bombing goat herders than focusing on more important geopolitical threats from major rivals. The biggest mistake of this century wrt foreign affairs was the time Obama said that the US would lead the world from behind. WTF???? That sent major signals to bad actors that the US is spineless. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-obama-doctrine-leading-from-behind/2011/04/28/AFBCy18E_story.html |
Anonymous
What's happening with the Quebecois? I must have missed that. What happened in Hong Kong was awful. I hate that noble countries respect rules when others don't. |
BlueFredneck
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Sort of like how Dubya tossed the Georgians overboard and Trump tossed the Kurds overboard? |
Anonymous
| How could the US attack Russia? The US military is relying on cheap supplies from China, including uniforms, boots, laptops, cell phones, or whatever communication devices etc. China is on Russia’s side. |