Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here are the differences between Jizya and Zakat, according to Wikipedia:
Zakat
obligatory upon Muslims
net worth of assets must exceed the Nisab (excess money for personal need) for Zakat to be obligatory
only payable on assets continuously owned over one lunar year that are in excess of the Nisab
the amount of Zakat paid is fixed and specified by Sharee'ah
paid only by the owner of the assets himself/herself
refusal to pay Zakat has no specific punishment by Sharee'ah law in life; punishment is delayed to the end time[35]
should be paid seeking God's pleasure [Qur'an 30:39]
Jizya
obligatory upon Dhimmis
required even if the Dhimmi's wealth or property does not exceed Nisab
paid according to a contract, but usually paid yearly regardless of Nisab
the amount paid is not fixed or specified by Sharee'ah, but is at least one gold Dinar with no maximum amount [32][33]
paid by all able-bodied adult males of military age and affording power[34]
refusal to pay Jizya is considered a breach of The Dhimma contract; as a consequence the Dhimmi's blood (life) and assets would become permissible[36]
is a tax on non-Muslims.[37]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakat
Once again, what Muslims *claim* about Islam is different from what is actually practiced around the world. Jizya has often been used as an excuse to confiscate Christian and minority property in an unfair way.
Separating people into different groups under the law is, and always will be, a lousy idea. Ever heard of "separate but equal?" Segregation laws? And guess what, people enforcing those laws always had some rationale that it was "fair" or "better for everyone." This type of system invites inequality, discrimination, and worse. This, by itself, should be enough to convince a person that Islam is not perfect. No religion should be dictating laws.
If you want to have a serious discussion about Islam, please refrain from quoting Sheikh Wikipedia. The web is full of salafists, wahabists,fatwa lovers, islam bashers, ect. The most reliable and authentic sources of information about Islam is of course the Qur’an and Prophet Muhammad PBUH’s Hadiths, that's what Muslims live by, not wikipedia. Islamic Figh (jurisprudence) is very complex, as the rules are not static. For every situation, the Fiqh can change depending on the person's specific circumstances~
Ok, are you refuting any of the post you are responding to?
Are you denying that jizya has historically been used as a reason to unfairly confiscate property from minorities in Muslim countries?
Are you denying that Sharia law sets up a system of "separate but equal" for non-Muslims?
Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:Well, you're the one equating burqas to oppression.......Haven't you heard? Allah is enough for meAs Muslim women, we have been liberated from this silent bondage. We don't need society's standard of beauty or fashion, to define our worth. We don't need to become just like men to be honored, and we don't need to wait for a prince to save or complete us. Our worth, our honor, our salvation, and our completion lie not in the slave. But, in the Lord of the slave. Praise be to Allah, the cherisher and sustainer of the worlds ~
You don't get it... it's like for some of you people there are only bikinis and burqas and nothing in between. Muslima, you are just as bad as the people on here who believe Muslim women are "brainwashed." I don't dress to please people... I dress in practical, reasonably attractive clothes because I might as well. I believe that God actually loves beauty- look at all the flowers, the animals, all the beautiful creation surrounding us. I don't think it upsets God if I wear a dress with flowers on it that mimics his creation. God doesn't care if your hair shows, he cares about your heart.
But since we're talking about it... Islam appears to be a highly particular religion. Where in nature do we see that God has been so particular in his creation? Look around you- the tremendous variety of trees, of flowers, animals, people. God loves variety, and the idea that he came up with these incredibly specific rules for every aspect of existence strikes me personally as bizarre.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here are the differences between Jizya and Zakat, according to Wikipedia:
Zakat
obligatory upon Muslims
net worth of assets must exceed the Nisab (excess money for personal need) for Zakat to be obligatory
only payable on assets continuously owned over one lunar year that are in excess of the Nisab
the amount of Zakat paid is fixed and specified by Sharee'ah
paid only by the owner of the assets himself/herself
refusal to pay Zakat has no specific punishment by Sharee'ah law in life; punishment is delayed to the end time[35]
should be paid seeking God's pleasure [Qur'an 30:39]
Jizya
obligatory upon Dhimmis
required even if the Dhimmi's wealth or property does not exceed Nisab
paid according to a contract, but usually paid yearly regardless of Nisab
the amount paid is not fixed or specified by Sharee'ah, but is at least one gold Dinar with no maximum amount [32][33]
paid by all able-bodied adult males of military age and affording power[34]
refusal to pay Jizya is considered a breach of The Dhimma contract; as a consequence the Dhimmi's blood (life) and assets would become permissible[36]
is a tax on non-Muslims.[37]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakat
Once again, what Muslims *claim* about Islam is different from what is actually practiced around the world. Jizya has often been used as an excuse to confiscate Christian and minority property in an unfair way.
Separating people into different groups under the law is, and always will be, a lousy idea. Ever heard of "separate but equal?" Segregation laws? And guess what, people enforcing those laws always had some rationale that it was "fair" or "better for everyone." This type of system invites inequality, discrimination, and worse. This, by itself, should be enough to convince a person that Islam is not perfect. No religion should be dictating laws.
I don't even know where to begin.
So I'll just type.
I couldn't even get through the Quaran "guidelines" above. WHO has time to familiarize him/herself with those rules anyway? If you have that much time, then spend it with your kids or with your friends or with your spouse!
omg, folks! It's amazing to me just HOW MUCH people want to be told what to do every second of their lives!
Who doesn't see that?
Religion is control over the masses, and it's the power behind these so-called governments.
yikes! Get me off this thread! My head's spinning.
Anonymous wrote:Here are the differences between Jizya and Zakat, according to Wikipedia:
Zakat
obligatory upon Muslims
net worth of assets must exceed the Nisab (excess money for personal need) for Zakat to be obligatory
only payable on assets continuously owned over one lunar year that are in excess of the Nisab
the amount of Zakat paid is fixed and specified by Sharee'ah
paid only by the owner of the assets himself/herself
refusal to pay Zakat has no specific punishment by Sharee'ah law in life; punishment is delayed to the end time[35]
should be paid seeking God's pleasure [Qur'an 30:39]
Jizya
obligatory upon Dhimmis
required even if the Dhimmi's wealth or property does not exceed Nisab
paid according to a contract, but usually paid yearly regardless of Nisab
the amount paid is not fixed or specified by Sharee'ah, but is at least one gold Dinar with no maximum amount [32][33]
paid by all able-bodied adult males of military age and affording power[34]
refusal to pay Jizya is considered a breach of The Dhimma contract; as a consequence the Dhimmi's blood (life) and assets would become permissible[36]
is a tax on non-Muslims.[37]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakat
Once again, what Muslims *claim* about Islam is different from what is actually practiced around the world. Jizya has often been used as an excuse to confiscate Christian and minority property in an unfair way.
Separating people into different groups under the law is, and always will be, a lousy idea. Ever heard of "separate but equal?" Segregation laws? And guess what, people enforcing those laws always had some rationale that it was "fair" or "better for everyone." This type of system invites inequality, discrimination, and worse. This, by itself, should be enough to convince a person that Islam is not perfect. No religion should be dictating laws.
Anonymous wrote:Muslima, under Shariah, would a Muslim be allowed to convert to Christianity and leave Islam?
Anonymous wrote:I shared this video with a friend who said:
So...you want to like being in a free society like the UK, but you don't want to give up the symbol of repression and terrorism you have left behind?
I think that says it all.
Muslima wrote:Anonymous wrote:lol @ the comment about the niqab "differentiating" her from the rest!
Muslima wrote:
why is that funny?![]()
Anonymous wrote:Any religion that
- claims a burqa (or any other level of covering) is "freedom" and
- abuses any person who is homosexual
is not a religion.
It's a cult meant to reign in as many idiots as possible. Idiots are the easiest to control.
Yes, I hope to ANY god you never have children.
Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:
Fiqh, in its specific meaning and what is discussed in books of fiqh, includes everything that has to do with all aspects of man's life. Everything that is studied today including foundational laws, city management, family relations, individual actions, management, politics, etc is found in the different sections of fiqh.
...
During the prophet Muhammad saw's last sermon, he said :" I leave behind me two things, the Qur'an and my example, the Sunnah and if you follow these you will never go astray". It is the Muslim's belief that Islam has provided guidance in every sphere of life, from individual cleanliness, rules of trade, to the structure and politics of the society. They don't separate it from from social, political, or economic life, since religion provides moral guidance for every action that a person takes....
First of all, you didn't really respond to the pp's point, Muslima. Second, your response is a lot scarier than anything the pp asked you about. Do you not see how a religion that has specific guidelines on every aspect of life would just never be appealing to some people? And if I were to live in a democratic society with a Muslim majority, why WOULDN'T they vote into law these "rules" of their religion, since the religion does have guidelines on every aspect of life? This is something that right wing nuts are yelling about all the time, and you seem to be saying that their concerns are actually justified!! And, as we all know, a political system based on religion is just never going to work, no matter how awesome that religion is. We have seen it tried so so many times.
It doesn't have to appeal to you. It appeals to the people who follow said religion and that is why they choose that religion for themselves. But let me clear something else, as far as Non-Muslims living under Islamic law, I guess what you don't know is that under Islamic Law, other faith communities have be governed by their own Law. There is freedom of religion under Islamic law you know, people are free to practise their faith, including religious law. Additionally, all Islamic obligations that do apply to Muslims are not applied to them.
Now, it is the belief of Muslims that Islam is the perfect way of life, I guess that's why anyone would choose a religion. Does it mean that we want to apply shariah law all over the world? Heck no, I don't believe shariah law can be applied or should be applied everywhere, and that is the difference between a regular muslim and those right wingers you're talking about ....
You just don't get it. You call Islam "perfect" and then you make it sound like a disaster.
Different laws for different people? NOT PERFECT!
Further, do you believe that Shariah law should be applied anywhere? And where would that be?
I believe it is perfect, that's why I choose to be a Muslim.Yes different laws for different people is totally Perfect in my book when we are talking about Shariah Law, why would a Chrisitan want to be ruled under a law they dont believe it? Muslims and Non-Muslims are equal in front of the law when it concerns general matters, but when it comes to religious matters that would follow Islamic law, the non-muslims would be judged by their own law, not the islamic one! Shariah Law can be applied anywhere people choose it for themselves.
Qu'ran 9:29 wrote:Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.
Jizya is a kind of "protection" tax. The same tax the Islamic State is demanding that Christians pay or face death. They are being good Muslims doing exactly what the Qu'ran tells them to do. Non-Muslims must be "humbled".
Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:
Fiqh, in its specific meaning and what is discussed in books of fiqh, includes everything that has to do with all aspects of man's life. Everything that is studied today including foundational laws, city management, family relations, individual actions, management, politics, etc is found in the different sections of fiqh.
...
During the prophet Muhammad saw's last sermon, he said :" I leave behind me two things, the Qur'an and my example, the Sunnah and if you follow these you will never go astray". It is the Muslim's belief that Islam has provided guidance in every sphere of life, from individual cleanliness, rules of trade, to the structure and politics of the society. They don't separate it from from social, political, or economic life, since religion provides moral guidance for every action that a person takes....
First of all, you didn't really respond to the pp's point, Muslima. Second, your response is a lot scarier than anything the pp asked you about. Do you not see how a religion that has specific guidelines on every aspect of life would just never be appealing to some people? And if I were to live in a democratic society with a Muslim majority, why WOULDN'T they vote into law these "rules" of their religion, since the religion does have guidelines on every aspect of life? This is something that right wing nuts are yelling about all the time, and you seem to be saying that their concerns are actually justified!! And, as we all know, a political system based on religion is just never going to work, no matter how awesome that religion is. We have seen it tried so so many times.
It doesn't have to appeal to you. It appeals to the people who follow said religion and that is why they choose that religion for themselves. But let me clear something else, as far as Non-Muslims living under Islamic law, I guess what you don't know is that under Islamic Law, other faith communities have be governed by their own Law. There is freedom of religion under Islamic law you know, people are free to practise their faith, including religious law. Additionally, all Islamic obligations that do apply to Muslims are not applied to them.
Now, it is the belief of Muslims that Islam is the perfect way of life, I guess that's why anyone would choose a religion. Does it mean that we want to apply shariah law all over the world? Heck no, I don't believe shariah law can be applied or should be applied everywhere, and that is the difference between a regular muslim and those right wingers you're talking about ....
You just don't get it. You call Islam "perfect" and then you make it sound like a disaster.
Different laws for different people? NOT PERFECT!
Further, do you believe that Shariah law should be applied anywhere? And where would that be?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Once again Muslima, this is an anonymous forum yet you choose to put your religion out there and I assume you are a woman since you are speaking of all of the coverings, etc. but let's be real you could be ANYONE. And even a MAN for example. If you truly are Muslim you may not get the western reference, but my spidey sense has been tapped since you have joined and let's call it way too late on a Friday, call me suspicious, call me whatever you'd like. Something is up with you. Good night and God Bless.
Muslima is a huge troll.
+1.
I think she's an "accidental" troll. She's on a one-woman mission to rehabilitate the image of Islam, but little does she know she's sort of making things worse.
I disagree. I don't think she's trying to rehabilitate anything, just trying to explain her view of it. Better, worse, none of the above.
Strictly following any Abrahamic religion looks pretty much the same. There "are" liberal Muslims (I'm married to one) but nowhere near the numbers like Reform Jews or more modern denominations of Christianity.
Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:
Fiqh, in its specific meaning and what is discussed in books of fiqh, includes everything that has to do with all aspects of man's life. Everything that is studied today including foundational laws, city management, family relations, individual actions, management, politics, etc is found in the different sections of fiqh.
...
During the prophet Muhammad saw's last sermon, he said :" I leave behind me two things, the Qur'an and my example, the Sunnah and if you follow these you will never go astray". It is the Muslim's belief that Islam has provided guidance in every sphere of life, from individual cleanliness, rules of trade, to the structure and politics of the society. They don't separate it from from social, political, or economic life, since religion provides moral guidance for every action that a person takes....
First of all, you didn't really respond to the pp's point, Muslima. Second, your response is a lot scarier than anything the pp asked you about. Do you not see how a religion that has specific guidelines on every aspect of life would just never be appealing to some people? And if I were to live in a democratic society with a Muslim majority, why WOULDN'T they vote into law these "rules" of their religion, since the religion does have guidelines on every aspect of life? This is something that right wing nuts are yelling about all the time, and you seem to be saying that their concerns are actually justified!! And, as we all know, a political system based on religion is just never going to work, no matter how awesome that religion is. We have seen it tried so so many times.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote: As far as the example of your cat, maybe you consider yourself on the same reasoning level than a cat , again your choice. I choose to believe that human beings are superior to animals since they have the ability to reason so how your cat behaves is irrelevant ...
quite the opposite
I find that people NOT brainwashed by religion have superior reasoning skills over those who are.
Sit on that a while . . .
What happened to you that you are so nasty?
You reject religion and "believe" you have decent reasoning skills but it sure hasn't made you a decent person.
Sit on that a while...prickly ain't it?
no prickly at all
You're a small-minded woman.
I love my children and would encourage them to be independent, free thinkers. I would embrace my child's homosexuality and wish him/her a happy life - perhaps filled with children! I'd be upset if their world were ruled by a few quotes from ancient men in a "inspirational" text.
The world is big; yours is small. And you can't see that b/c you refuse to step out of this weird bubble you've created for yourself.
You're an ugly individual, lady - and the reason many homosexuals descend into states of depression often leading to suicide. I hope you don't have children - ever.
Anonymous wrote:
Never saw those questions.
1- The first time I decided to wear the hijab, I was 25 years old, it was a choice I made freely after researching the Hijab for about a year. My mother and my sister do not wear the hijab, so that would also be my daughter's choice.
2- If my child outed him/herself, I would tell him/her that homosexuality is a sin in Islam, I would advise him/her to control those urges and I will pray for him/her, that is all I can do really
By "advising" him/her to control the urges, you're expecting your child to remain celibate? to deny who s/he really is? to prevent him/her from living a happy life?
wow . . .
I don't think you recognize the hypocrisy in that statement.
How sad - and how tragic for any child to be born into such a hostile and ignorant environment!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Amish women cover their hair too -
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Why no backlash against their culture?
simple folk
no Amish version of Hamas . . . They just love making their furniture and homemade foods and selling them to the "city folk."
The amish hair covering looks "light", airy, innocuous and non-threatening-the niquab (sp?) looks dark, scary, suspicious and threatening-to me. When I see an Amish woman and I think-"they are Amish" I thinkk perhaps they are "old fashioned", "simple", a "seamstress or farmer" etc...When I see a woman with her head and entire face covered in a black veil/niquab and I think "terrorist"-and if I see her with kids I think her husband is likely a terrorist too....sorry but that is what I think/feel. Perhaps 9/11 traumatized me (I was at the WTC right after the planes hit)-no offense to anyone. I guess I would feel threatened if someone walked into a bank wearing a ski mask too-just sayin.....