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Muslima wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here are the differences between Jizya and Zakat, according to Wikipedia:

Zakat
obligatory upon Muslims
net worth of assets must exceed the Nisab (excess money for personal need) for Zakat to be obligatory
only payable on assets continuously owned over one lunar year that are in excess of the Nisab
the amount of Zakat paid is fixed and specified by Sharee'ah
paid only by the owner of the assets himself/herself
refusal to pay Zakat has no specific punishment by Sharee'ah law in life; punishment is delayed to the end time[35]
should be paid seeking God's pleasure [Qur'an 30:39]


Jizya
obligatory upon Dhimmis
required even if the Dhimmi's wealth or property does not exceed Nisab
paid according to a contract, but usually paid yearly regardless of Nisab
the amount paid is not fixed or specified by Sharee'ah, but is at least one gold Dinar with no maximum amount [32][33]
paid by all able-bodied adult males of military age and affording power[34]
refusal to pay Jizya is considered a breach of The Dhimma contract; as a consequence the Dhimmi's blood (life) and assets would become permissible[36]
is a tax on non-Muslims.[37]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakat


Once again, what Muslims *claim* about Islam is different from what is actually practiced around the world. Jizya has often been used as an excuse to confiscate Christian and minority property in an unfair way.

Separating people into different groups under the law is, and always will be, a lousy idea. Ever heard of "separate but equal?" Segregation laws? And guess what, people enforcing those laws always had some rationale that it was "fair" or "better for everyone." This type of system invites inequality, discrimination, and worse. This, by itself, should be enough to convince a person that Islam is not perfect. No religion should be dictating laws.


If you want to have a serious discussion about Islam, please refrain from quoting Sheikh Wikipedia. The web is full of salafists, wahabists,fatwa lovers, islam bashers, ect. The most reliable and authentic sources of information about Islam is of course the Qur’an and Prophet Muhammad PBUH’s Hadiths, that's what Muslims live by, not wikipedia. Islamic Figh (jurisprudence) is very complex, as the rules are not static. For every situation, the Fiqh can change depending on the person's specific circumstances~


Ok, are you refuting any of the post you are responding to?

Are you denying that jizya has historically been used as a reason to unfairly confiscate property from minorities in Muslim countries?

Are you denying that Sharia law sets up a system of "separate but equal" for non-Muslims?


I already responded to you about Jizya according to Islamic Law (Fiqh). You can choose to believe Wikipedia, but it would be a waste of my time to repeat myself. I believe that Sharia Law is a perfect law when it is applied correctly!
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Muslima wrote:Well, you're the one equating burqas to oppression.......Haven't you heard? Allah is enough for me As Muslim women, we have been liberated from this silent bondage. We don't need society's standard of beauty or fashion, to define our worth. We don't need to become just like men to be honored, and we don't need to wait for a prince to save or complete us. Our worth, our honor, our salvation, and our completion lie not in the slave. But, in the Lord of the slave. Praise be to Allah, the cherisher and sustainer of the worlds ~


You don't get it... it's like for some of you people there are only bikinis and burqas and nothing in between. Muslima, you are just as bad as the people on here who believe Muslim women are "brainwashed." I don't dress to please people... I dress in practical, reasonably attractive clothes because I might as well. I believe that God actually loves beauty- look at all the flowers, the animals, all the beautiful creation surrounding us. I don't think it upsets God if I wear a dress with flowers on it that mimics his creation. God doesn't care if your hair shows, he cares about your heart.

But since we're talking about it... Islam appears to be a highly particular religion. Where in nature do we see that God has been so particular in his creation? Look around you- the tremendous variety of trees, of flowers, animals, people. God loves variety, and the idea that he came up with these incredibly specific rules for every aspect of existence strikes me personally as bizarre.


I don't understand the beauty comments. The Prophet (pbuh) has said that Allah is beautiful and He loves beauty. It is for this that the whole of Allah's creation has been designed and created according to the highest heavenly standard of splendor and order impossible to be ever emulated by anyone. According to Ibn al-'Arabi, who epitomized the Sufi speculative ontological thought, the divine beauty through which God is named "Beautiful", and by which He described Himself as loving beauty, is in all things. There is nothing in existence but beauty, for God created the cosmos only in His image, that is, in the image of His infinite beauty. Hence all cosmos with all its objects and events is beautiful. Even in the Quran we are told : "It is Allah Who has made for you the earth as a resting place, and the sky as a canopy, and has given you shape - and made your shapes beautiful -, and has provided for you Sustenance..." (Gafir 40:64) - Your definition of beauty must be different than mine, what they say is true "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"

By the way I was responding to the rhetoric "Muslim women are veiled and oppressed" and was being sarcastic about the miniskirts & bikini comments. I do not believe that all women who dont wear a hijab dress to please people, I used to be one of these women, and lots of women in my family do not wear the hijab. And Yes God loves variety, that is why He created us this way, white, black, yellow, ect. But if you do believe in God, why would you think He would just create us and let us be in this world without any Guidance at all? Everything that is created in this world comes with a user guide that answers all of your questions. When you buy a new product, the first thing you do is read the user guide. Why would the human being be any different? Muslims believe their user guide is the Quran, it tells us everything we need to know to survive in this world.Now the fact that the rules of Islam strike you as bizarre is perfectly normal. The prophet Muhammad saw said " Islam began strange, and it will become strange again just like it was at the beginning, so blessed are the strangers.” so I totally get why it would look strange to someone who is not Muslim & to be fair a lot of Non-muslims practices, their view of life ect are extremely strange & bizarre to me...
Well, you're the one equating burqas to oppression.......Haven't you heard? Allah is enough for me As Muslim women, we have been liberated from this silent bondage. We don't need society's standard of beauty or fashion, to define our worth. We don't need to become just like men to be honored, and we don't need to wait for a prince to save or complete us. Our worth, our honor, our salvation, and our completion lie not in the slave. But, in the Lord of the slave. Praise be to Allah, the cherisher and sustainer of the worlds ~
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here are the differences between Jizya and Zakat, according to Wikipedia:

Zakat
obligatory upon Muslims
net worth of assets must exceed the Nisab (excess money for personal need) for Zakat to be obligatory
only payable on assets continuously owned over one lunar year that are in excess of the Nisab
the amount of Zakat paid is fixed and specified by Sharee'ah
paid only by the owner of the assets himself/herself
refusal to pay Zakat has no specific punishment by Sharee'ah law in life; punishment is delayed to the end time[35]
should be paid seeking God's pleasure [Qur'an 30:39]


Jizya
obligatory upon Dhimmis
required even if the Dhimmi's wealth or property does not exceed Nisab
paid according to a contract, but usually paid yearly regardless of Nisab
the amount paid is not fixed or specified by Sharee'ah, but is at least one gold Dinar with no maximum amount [32][33]
paid by all able-bodied adult males of military age and affording power[34]
refusal to pay Jizya is considered a breach of The Dhimma contract; as a consequence the Dhimmi's blood (life) and assets would become permissible[36]
is a tax on non-Muslims.[37]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakat


Once again, what Muslims *claim* about Islam is different from what is actually practiced around the world. Jizya has often been used as an excuse to confiscate Christian and minority property in an unfair way.

Separating people into different groups under the law is, and always will be, a lousy idea. Ever heard of "separate but equal?" Segregation laws? And guess what, people enforcing those laws always had some rationale that it was "fair" or "better for everyone." This type of system invites inequality, discrimination, and worse. This, by itself, should be enough to convince a person that Islam is not perfect. No religion should be dictating laws.


I don't even know where to begin.

So I'll just type.

I couldn't even get through the Quaran "guidelines" above. WHO has time to familiarize him/herself with those rules anyway? If you have that much time, then spend it with your kids or with your friends or with your spouse!

omg, folks! It's amazing to me just HOW MUCH people want to be told what to do every second of their lives!

Who doesn't see that?

Religion is control over the masses, and it's the power behind these so-called governments.

yikes! Get me off this thread! My head's spinning.



Why did you even come here? A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship HIM than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word 'darkness' on the walls of his cell....
Anonymous wrote:Here are the differences between Jizya and Zakat, according to Wikipedia:

Zakat
obligatory upon Muslims
net worth of assets must exceed the Nisab (excess money for personal need) for Zakat to be obligatory
only payable on assets continuously owned over one lunar year that are in excess of the Nisab
the amount of Zakat paid is fixed and specified by Sharee'ah
paid only by the owner of the assets himself/herself
refusal to pay Zakat has no specific punishment by Sharee'ah law in life; punishment is delayed to the end time[35]
should be paid seeking God's pleasure [Qur'an 30:39]


Jizya
obligatory upon Dhimmis
required even if the Dhimmi's wealth or property does not exceed Nisab
paid according to a contract, but usually paid yearly regardless of Nisab
the amount paid is not fixed or specified by Sharee'ah, but is at least one gold Dinar with no maximum amount [32][33]
paid by all able-bodied adult males of military age and affording power[34]
refusal to pay Jizya is considered a breach of The Dhimma contract; as a consequence the Dhimmi's blood (life) and assets would become permissible[36]
is a tax on non-Muslims.[37]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakat


Once again, what Muslims *claim* about Islam is different from what is actually practiced around the world. Jizya has often been used as an excuse to confiscate Christian and minority property in an unfair way.

Separating people into different groups under the law is, and always will be, a lousy idea. Ever heard of "separate but equal?" Segregation laws? And guess what, people enforcing those laws always had some rationale that it was "fair" or "better for everyone." This type of system invites inequality, discrimination, and worse. This, by itself, should be enough to convince a person that Islam is not perfect. No religion should be dictating laws.


If you want to have a serious discussion about Islam, please refrain from quoting Sheikh Wikipedia. The web is full of salafists, wahabists,fatwa lovers, islam bashers, ect. The most reliable and authentic sources of information about Islam is of course the Qur’an and Prophet Muhammad PBUH’s Hadiths, that's what Muslims live by, not wikipedia. Islamic Figh (jurisprudence) is very complex, as the rules are not static. For every situation, the Fiqh can change depending on the person's specific circumstances~
Anonymous wrote:Muslima, under Shariah, would a Muslim be allowed to convert to Christianity and leave Islam?


So, after abortion, homosexuality, now apostasy I will start by saying if anyone is asking these questions just to hear me say "Death to Non-Muslims", I hate homosexuals ECT., you are wasting your time, but if it is in the interest of discussion, curiosity, ect, then I welcome these. As a Muslim Woman, I have no problem with homosexuals, satan worshippers, atheists, ect I might disagree morally, but legally they have the right to do as they please.

I will define 2 things first before we start because non-muslims might not know what Im talking about.

Quran: Muslims believe that the Quran is the word of God revealed to Prophet Muhammad saw by God through the angel Jibril ( Gabriel). The Quran comprehends the complete code for the Muslims to live a good, abundant and rewarding life in obedience to the commandments of Allah, in this life and to gain salvation in the next. It is the "chart of life" for every Muslim, the "constitution" .

Hadith: The collected reports of what the Prophet Muhammad saw said and did during his lifetime. During the first few decades after the Prophet Muhammad'saw' s death, those who directly knew him (known as the Companions) shared and collected quotations and stories related to the Prophet's life. Within the first two centuries after the Prophet's death, scholars conducted a thorough review of the stories, tracing the origins of each quotation along with the chain of narrators through whom the quotation was passed. Those which were not verifiable were deemed "weak" or even "fabricated," while others were deemed "authentic" (sahih) and collected into volumes. The most authentic collections of hadith (according to Sunni Muslims) include Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, and Sunan Abu Dawud.


So, the Quran is from God and the Hadiths are the stories that we have from the companions of the prophet saw about how he lived his life.

Now let's talk about Murtid (apostasy) a Muslim who makes the choice to leave Islam. Muslim scholars are NOT in agreement on how apostats should be treated. I can't deny that for the majority of Islamic history, the majority of Muslim Scholars have said that if a person leaves Islam, he should be killed. Many scholars since the 8th century have said that this view was incorrect and that there is nothing in the Quran that stipulates that one who leaves Islam should be killed , but to be clear, these scholars were a Minority! The majority of scholars who said that death is the punishment for apostasy based it one a Hadith of the prophet saw where He said " "[In the words of] Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'" Although this Hadith is authentic, it is also established that Prophet Muhammad saw never ordered the death penalty to be carried out on people known during his time to have apostatised. Of such people was a Bedouin man who came to Medina (during a time of political and military power for Muslims) to announce his Islam, but apostatised and left the city a short period later without receiving any penalty for his subsequent rejection. You should also note that this hadith is considered a weak hadith with just a single isnad (this means there is only one chain of transmission or narration) and thus according to the rules of Islamic jurisprudence, it is not enough to validate the death penalty.


The Scholars who say that death is not the punishment for apostasy base it on how the Prophet saw treated individuals who entered and left Islam, and the numerous verses in the Quran guaranteeing freedom of belief. They say that the hadith about killing who leaves the religion was revealed during a time of war when some non-muslims used to pretend that they wanted to be Muslims. But they only pretended to enter Islam to take advantage of the Muslims, learn their battle strategies, then abused and slaughtered an entire group of shepherds that memorized the entire Quran, who were caring for them. So, the scholars said that this hadith is in reference to treason, not just merely leaving your religion, but these used to be people who presented to be muslims just to get secrets and later use it against them. The Quran mentions apostasy several times but does not prescribe any punishment for it.

Quran: 4:137 "Those who believe, then reject faith, then believe (again) and (again) reject faith, and go on increasing in unbelief,- Allah will not forgive them nor guide them nor guide them on the way."

Notice that the Quran says those who reject faith and then Believe and again disbelieve. If a Muslim rejects faith and is then killed for doing so how will he live to again BELIEVE and then DISBELIEVE. The atmosphere of this verse is that of free will and freedom of choice to everyone. Many prominent scholars throughout the centuries have held the view that apostasy is not a capital offense. This view is founded on the fact that the Qur'an is completely silent on the death penalty for apostasy. In fact, freedom of religion is a fundamental tenet of Islam. In Surah al-Baqarah, 2:256, Allah explicitly states: "Let there be no compulsion in religion".

So, yes the majority of the Muslim scholars are saying "Kill" is the punishment, a minority is saying "No". Hope it is not too confusing and of course Allah knows best!

Anonymous wrote:I shared this video with a friend who said:

So...you want to like being in a free society like the UK, but you don't want to give up the symbol of repression and terrorism you have left behind?


I think that says it all.




Muslima wrote:
Anonymous wrote:lol @ the comment about the niqab "differentiating" her from the rest!


Muslima wrote:


why is that funny?



Then again, 8 Muslim Women have been head of state in Muslim countries while America is still waiting for its first female president in 2014.... the idea that there is even a discussion in the US that Hilary Clinton may be problematic for the office merely because she is a woman is a sign of how backward US politics is but hey, here in America women are "FREE", they wear bikinis and miniskirts, talk about messed up priorities.... But what do I know, Muslim women are oppressed
Anonymous wrote:Any religion that
- claims a burqa (or any other level of covering) is "freedom" and
- abuses any person who is homosexual

is not a religion.

It's a cult meant to reign in as many idiots as possible. Idiots are the easiest to control.

Yes, I hope to ANY god you never have children.



Alhamdulilah, Praise be to God, He has blessed me to be a mother, so you won't get your wish. I will not wish infertility to you, those are not the teachings of my prophet Muhammad peace be upon Him. I wish that Allah in his infinite mercy bless you with as many children as you wish who will be submitted to their Lord. As far as religion is concerned, unfortunately for you , you do not get to define what religion is for the rest of us. Peace be upon you ~
Anonymous wrote:
Muslima wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Muslima wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Muslima wrote:
Fiqh, in its specific meaning and what is discussed in books of fiqh, includes everything that has to do with all aspects of man's life. Everything that is studied today including foundational laws, city management, family relations, individual actions, management, politics, etc is found in the different sections of fiqh.

...

During the prophet Muhammad saw's last sermon, he said :" I leave behind me two things, the Qur'an and my example, the Sunnah and if you follow these you will never go astray". It is the Muslim's belief that Islam has provided guidance in every sphere of life, from individual cleanliness, rules of trade, to the structure and politics of the society. They don't separate it from from social, political, or economic life, since religion provides moral guidance for every action that a person takes....


First of all, you didn't really respond to the pp's point, Muslima. Second, your response is a lot scarier than anything the pp asked you about. Do you not see how a religion that has specific guidelines on every aspect of life would just never be appealing to some people? And if I were to live in a democratic society with a Muslim majority, why WOULDN'T they vote into law these "rules" of their religion, since the religion does have guidelines on every aspect of life? This is something that right wing nuts are yelling about all the time, and you seem to be saying that their concerns are actually justified!! And, as we all know, a political system based on religion is just never going to work, no matter how awesome that religion is. We have seen it tried so so many times.


It doesn't have to appeal to you. It appeals to the people who follow said religion and that is why they choose that religion for themselves. But let me clear something else, as far as Non-Muslims living under Islamic law, I guess what you don't know is that under Islamic Law, other faith communities have be governed by their own Law. There is freedom of religion under Islamic law you know, people are free to practise their faith, including religious law. Additionally, all Islamic obligations that do apply to Muslims are not applied to them.

Now, it is the belief of Muslims that Islam is the perfect way of life, I guess that's why anyone would choose a religion. Does it mean that we want to apply shariah law all over the world? Heck no, I don't believe shariah law can be applied or should be applied everywhere, and that is the difference between a regular muslim and those right wingers you're talking about ....


You just don't get it. You call Islam "perfect" and then you make it sound like a disaster.

Different laws for different people? NOT PERFECT!

Further, do you believe that Shariah law should be applied anywhere? And where would that be?


I believe it is perfect, that's why I choose to be a Muslim.Yes different laws for different people is totally Perfect in my book when we are talking about Shariah Law, why would a Chrisitan want to be ruled under a law they dont believe it? Muslims and Non-Muslims are equal in front of the law when it concerns general matters, but when it comes to religious matters that would follow Islamic law, the non-muslims would be judged by their own law, not the islamic one! Shariah Law can be applied anywhere people choose it for themselves.


Qu'ran 9:29 wrote:Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.


Jizya is a kind of "protection" tax. The same tax the Islamic State is demanding that Christians pay or face death. They are being good Muslims doing exactly what the Qu'ran tells them to do. Non-Muslims must be "humbled".


Non Muslims have to pay Jizya because they are exempt from paying Zakat which is the tax that Muslims are obligated to pay. For those who don't know, the Jizya is a tax imposed on the Christians and Jews living under the protection of the Islamic state. However, it is not imposed on all Christians and Jews. It is only imposed on the men who have attained puberty. So therefore it is not imposed on the women and children.

The Jizya tax guarantees the Christians and Jews complete protection under the Islamic state. If an enemy country attacks the Islamic country, the Islamic country has a duty to defend the Christians and Jews and the Christians and Jews are not obliged to fight while the Muslims are! The Jizya is a tax levied on non-Muslims in lieu of military service which is compulsory for Muslims but not for non-Muslims. The amount of Jizya is much less than the Zakat, which is levied on Muslims only. The non-Muslims paying Jizya are exempt from compulsory military service in a Muslim State but were entitled to full protection.

Muslims also have to pay a yearly tax called Zakat that the Christians & Jews do not pay. Zakat is binding on property, and jewellery. Zakat should also be paid in the form of food as well. The Jizya is not binding on the property of the Christians and Jews.

So ye, Jizya actually brings equality. Since the Muslims are obliged to pay Zakah, then why cant non-Muslims pay Jizya? That brings equality between the two.
Anonymous wrote:
Muslima wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Muslima wrote:
Fiqh, in its specific meaning and what is discussed in books of fiqh, includes everything that has to do with all aspects of man's life. Everything that is studied today including foundational laws, city management, family relations, individual actions, management, politics, etc is found in the different sections of fiqh.

...

During the prophet Muhammad saw's last sermon, he said :" I leave behind me two things, the Qur'an and my example, the Sunnah and if you follow these you will never go astray". It is the Muslim's belief that Islam has provided guidance in every sphere of life, from individual cleanliness, rules of trade, to the structure and politics of the society. They don't separate it from from social, political, or economic life, since religion provides moral guidance for every action that a person takes....


First of all, you didn't really respond to the pp's point, Muslima. Second, your response is a lot scarier than anything the pp asked you about. Do you not see how a religion that has specific guidelines on every aspect of life would just never be appealing to some people? And if I were to live in a democratic society with a Muslim majority, why WOULDN'T they vote into law these "rules" of their religion, since the religion does have guidelines on every aspect of life? This is something that right wing nuts are yelling about all the time, and you seem to be saying that their concerns are actually justified!! And, as we all know, a political system based on religion is just never going to work, no matter how awesome that religion is. We have seen it tried so so many times.


It doesn't have to appeal to you. It appeals to the people who follow said religion and that is why they choose that religion for themselves. But let me clear something else, as far as Non-Muslims living under Islamic law, I guess what you don't know is that under Islamic Law, other faith communities have be governed by their own Law. There is freedom of religion under Islamic law you know, people are free to practise their faith, including religious law. Additionally, all Islamic obligations that do apply to Muslims are not applied to them.

Now, it is the belief of Muslims that Islam is the perfect way of life, I guess that's why anyone would choose a religion. Does it mean that we want to apply shariah law all over the world? Heck no, I don't believe shariah law can be applied or should be applied everywhere, and that is the difference between a regular muslim and those right wingers you're talking about ....


You just don't get it. You call Islam "perfect" and then you make it sound like a disaster.

Different laws for different people? NOT PERFECT!

Further, do you believe that Shariah law should be applied anywhere? And where would that be?


I believe it is perfect, that's why I choose to be a Muslim.Yes different laws for different people is totally Perfect in my book when we are talking about Shariah Law, why would a Chrisitan want to be ruled under a law they dont believe it? Muslims and Non-Muslims are equal in front of the law when it concerns general matters, but when it comes to religious matters that would follow Islamic law, the non-muslims would be judged by their own law, not the islamic one! Shariah Law can be applied anywhere people choose it for themselves.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Once again Muslima, this is an anonymous forum yet you choose to put your religion out there and I assume you are a woman since you are speaking of all of the coverings, etc. but let's be real you could be ANYONE. And even a MAN for example. If you truly are Muslim you may not get the western reference, but my spidey sense has been tapped since you have joined and let's call it way too late on a Friday, call me suspicious, call me whatever you'd like. Something is up with you. Good night and God Bless.


Muslima is a huge troll.


+1.

I think she's an "accidental" troll. She's on a one-woman mission to rehabilitate the image of Islam, but little does she know she's sort of making things worse.


I disagree. I don't think she's trying to rehabilitate anything, just trying to explain her view of it. Better, worse, none of the above.

Strictly following any Abrahamic religion looks pretty much the same. There "are" liberal Muslims (I'm married to one) but nowhere near the numbers like Reform Jews or more modern denominations of Christianity.



Thank you! That would be a huge task to try to rehabilitate the image of Islam behind a keyboard. The irony is , I answer to questions directed at me, or when I read someone saying something that is completely incorrect/false, I did not start this thread or any Islamic threads on this forum. People are free to believe whatever they want and live their lives however they want
Anonymous wrote:
Muslima wrote:
Fiqh, in its specific meaning and what is discussed in books of fiqh, includes everything that has to do with all aspects of man's life. Everything that is studied today including foundational laws, city management, family relations, individual actions, management, politics, etc is found in the different sections of fiqh.

...

During the prophet Muhammad saw's last sermon, he said :" I leave behind me two things, the Qur'an and my example, the Sunnah and if you follow these you will never go astray". It is the Muslim's belief that Islam has provided guidance in every sphere of life, from individual cleanliness, rules of trade, to the structure and politics of the society. They don't separate it from from social, political, or economic life, since religion provides moral guidance for every action that a person takes....


First of all, you didn't really respond to the pp's point, Muslima. Second, your response is a lot scarier than anything the pp asked you about. Do you not see how a religion that has specific guidelines on every aspect of life would just never be appealing to some people? And if I were to live in a democratic society with a Muslim majority, why WOULDN'T they vote into law these "rules" of their religion, since the religion does have guidelines on every aspect of life? This is something that right wing nuts are yelling about all the time, and you seem to be saying that their concerns are actually justified!! And, as we all know, a political system based on religion is just never going to work, no matter how awesome that religion is. We have seen it tried so so many times.


It doesn't have to appeal to you. It appeals to the people who follow said religion and that is why they choose that religion for themselves. But let me clear something else, as far as Non-Muslims living under Islamic law, I guess what you don't know is that under Islamic Law, other faith communities have be governed by their own Law. There is freedom of religion under Islamic law you know, people are free to practise their faith, including religious law. Additionally, all Islamic obligations that do apply to Muslims are not applied to them.

Now, it is the belief of Muslims that Islam is the perfect way of life, I guess that's why anyone would choose a religion. Does it mean that we want to apply shariah law all over the world? Heck no, I don't believe shariah law can be applied or should be applied everywhere, and that is the difference between a regular muslim and those right wingers you're talking about ....
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Muslima wrote: As far as the example of your cat, maybe you consider yourself on the same reasoning level than a cat , again your choice. I choose to believe that human beings are superior to animals since they have the ability to reason so how your cat behaves is irrelevant ...


quite the opposite

I find that people NOT brainwashed by religion have superior reasoning skills over those who are.

Sit on that a while . . .



What happened to you that you are so nasty?

You reject religion and "believe" you have decent reasoning skills but it sure hasn't made you a decent person.

Sit on that a while...prickly ain't it?


no prickly at all
You're a small-minded woman.

I love my children and would encourage them to be independent, free thinkers. I would embrace my child's homosexuality and wish him/her a happy life - perhaps filled with children! I'd be upset if their world were ruled by a few quotes from ancient men in a "inspirational" text.

The world is big; yours is small. And you can't see that b/c you refuse to step out of this weird bubble you've created for yourself.

You're an ugly individual, lady - and the reason many homosexuals descend into states of depression often leading to suicide. I hope you don't have children - ever.




Why are you calling her/him an ugly individual and hope her/him never have children, woow! Yeh, your world is really "big".......
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Never saw those questions.
1- The first time I decided to wear the hijab, I was 25 years old, it was a choice I made freely after researching the Hijab for about a year. My mother and my sister do not wear the hijab, so that would also be my daughter's choice.
2- If my child outed him/herself, I would tell him/her that homosexuality is a sin in Islam, I would advise him/her to control those urges and I will pray for him/her, that is all I can do really



By "advising" him/her to control the urges, you're expecting your child to remain celibate? to deny who s/he really is? to prevent him/her from living a happy life?

wow . . .

I don't think you recognize the hypocrisy in that statement.

How sad - and how tragic for any child to be born into such a hostile and ignorant environment!



Yes really sad indeed. Fortunately for us , we are free to raise our children the way we choose. I will advise my child the way I choose and in the end the choice will be his/hers.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Amish women cover their hair too -
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Why no backlash against their culture?


simple folk

no Amish version of Hamas . . . They just love making their furniture and homemade foods and selling them to the "city folk."




The amish hair covering looks "light", airy, innocuous and non-threatening-the niquab (sp?) looks dark, scary, suspicious and threatening-to me. When I see an Amish woman and I think-"they are Amish" I thinkk perhaps they are "old fashioned", "simple", a "seamstress or farmer" etc...When I see a woman with her head and entire face covered in a black veil/niquab and I think "terrorist"-and if I see her with kids I think her husband is likely a terrorist too....sorry but that is what I think/feel. Perhaps 9/11 traumatized me (I was at the WTC right after the planes hit)-no offense to anyone. I guess I would feel threatened if someone walked into a bank wearing a ski mask too-just sayin.....


That is really sad, I would love for a niqabi to give you a hug!
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