Woman charged with felony for having a stillbirth

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the forced-birthers are now clinging to the narrative that her wrongdoing was actually leaving the hospital …

This entire thread shows how divided people are and dogmatic about their beliefs. They can’t see nuance or consider another point of view. The pro lifers automatically assume she was in the wrong and the pro choices jump to the conclusion she didn’t do anything wrong at all and the event was just like their miscarriage. Really the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The lack of medical care is concerning and it’s also concerning someone found a foot stuck in her toilet.

Most likely she has severe mental health issues since she’s telling people there is a body in a bucket in her backyard.

Most sane people don’t refer to second trimester fetal remains as “a body”.

Did the hospital give her a body bag to put it in if she passed it at home?

What was otherwise available to her for placing what she thought were fetal remains in? A bucket seems as good a container as anything else. Would you have preferred a paper bag? A baking pan? A shoebox? Please enlighten us what women are supposed to do with the bloody remnants of a pregnancy. Because most of us don’t know. I flushed mine down the toilet.

Unborn babies have bodies, they are developing humans.



This baby was 21 weeks old when born, and survived. The baby in this case was a week older.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/family/story/miracle-baby-born-21-weeks-heads-home-hospital-74848084

This woman tried to flush her baby down the toilet, but the baby’s body was too big and he or she became stuck in the toilet. The police who investigated found the baby’s body stuck in the toilet. The mother has scooped blood and feces into the bucket so she hide the fact she had given birth.

The hospital had admitted her twice before and she signed herself out if the hospital against her doctor’s orders. They made sure she was aware she needed medical care and could likely die if she left. She left anyway.

You are exactly why people hate religious pro-lifers.

You’re ignorant and judgmental and you want to hurt women.

People don’t need to be religious to know that it’s wrong to leave a hospital two times when you are pregnant and bleeding and in pain, against doctor’s advice.

People don’t need to be religious to know that hiding a pregnancy to the extent you are in danger of dying is wrong. Medical issues are private and privacy is to be respected, but trying to keep a secret and being close to death is just unacceptable. In america, we don’t leave stillborn babies lying about in public or on trash heaps or in buckets in our yards. Having sympathy for very complicated situation is admirable but this woman is being a free pass as she disregarded doctors orders twice, tried to flush her baby down a toilet, presented herself as she was in the midst of a serious hemorrhage to get her hair done, etc She told a hardworking nurse who was caring for her she didn’t want her baby and left her dead baby outside in a bucket in her yard and the nurse did her freaking job and is being attacked.

I don’t know how religion is your focus here, but taking the advice of your doctors during a serious medical crisis has nothing to do with religion.

This woman hurt herself by her actions.

I take it we are now going to be allowing women to discard their babies in public on trash heaps like people do in India and it’s going to be considered pro-woman and helpful to women to do so. That’s right, just throw your baby outside somewhere and go get your hair done, and if you hemorrhage to death in a beauty salon well it’s just fine. Some wild animal or stray dog will wander by and eat your discarded dead baby because women have rights and it’s not a baby.

This. I am glad she’s being prosecuted. The way she treated her baby and her lack of respect for life is disgusting. Can you imagine your own baby dying and putting him or her in the toilet??

If you’re defending flushing a precious baby down the toilet you should do some soul searching to see how you got to a point where you think that behavior is okay.

What the hell is wrong with you ?

Shame on you your mother raised an idiot and a uncaring uneducated sociopath

How dare you judge her!
How dare you bring your garbage uneducated crap to this forum. I am tired of women judging other women when it’s none of their business none zero . You have no idea what she was going through
Go back to the hole you climbed out if your mother failed miserably

Do you not think that first responders are emotionally damaged when they have to take a dead baby out of a toilet? Do you imagine that when a coroner has to do an autopsy on a dead baby, it’s peaches and cream? Of course it’s their job, and they deal with very upsetting situations daily, but they too are affected by this woman’s actions. She didn’t need to do this. She chose to do this. Everyone suffers (first responders, her family, the nurses that tried to help her, her hairdresser who had to contact her mom to beg her to get her daughter help, etc) because this woman was committed to keeping a secret that could not be a secret. Women have a responsibility to themselves first and this woman would not even accept responsibility for her own life. The medical personnel being attacked and blamed saved her life. They tried countless times to do so and she disappeared on them. She told the nurse she didn’t want her baby.

Every woman who has been pregnant knows what she went through, especially if they lost a baby. The vast majority of women who experience pregnancy complications do not leave the hospital after being admitted for treatment, much less leave two times.

She cleaned her bathroom and showered after she plunged her baby down the pipes. Has anyone here plunged their dead baby down their toilet and then clogged their toilet with the baby’s body?

If yes, why?
If no, why not.

[Anonymous]

Ladies if you vote Republican your daughters are screwed

Doesn’t matter if you are not pro choice still screwed

You daughters are not you their lives are headed to territory the US has never seen

While this thread is about our ablution laws you must think father than that we are at a very bad crossroad here

Republicans want women home barefoot and pregnant
Your daughters will no longer have careers yes wake up this is not a drill that is where we are headed
Your daughters will have no rights in a divorce
Your daughter will no longer own property and credit cards l
Your daughters will not be educated

Many of you have daughters going to college why ? Once those laws are changed and they will be your tuition monies wasted. Unless of course you want them educated to grab a husband which by the way won’t happen bec men are going to want subservient women

Red states have already begun changing laws for divorce. Missouri, Idaho Texas leading the way. Mo wants your daughters legally married at 12 that will pass in red states after 2924 election

You are reading this and thinking I am off my rocker insane none if these things can happen

Well guess what Mike Johnson and his cronies have written the plan.with Josh Hawley,s wife He is working with Tony Tinderholt out of Texas and Paxton. Look up good old Tony he’s a horrific human.

We can debate the abortion issue to death I’m pro choice all the way the new laws are horrible however if we don’t wake up and vote these men and women out of office we won’t suffer our daughters will


Good luck to everyone who is not a dumb ass supporting the Republican RW agenda

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Oops 2024 election

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the forced-birthers are now clinging to the narrative that her wrongdoing was actually leaving the hospital …

This entire thread shows how divided people are and dogmatic about their beliefs. They can’t see nuance or consider another point of view. The pro lifers automatically assume she was in the wrong and the pro choices jump to the conclusion she didn’t do anything wrong at all and the event was just like their miscarriage. Really the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The lack of medical care is concerning and it’s also concerning someone found a foot stuck in her toilet.

Most likely she has severe mental health issues since she’s telling people there is a body in a bucket in her backyard.

Most sane people don’t refer to second trimester fetal remains as “a body”.

Did the hospital give her a body bag to put it in if she passed it at home?

What was otherwise available to her for placing what she thought were fetal remains in? A bucket seems as good a container as anything else. Would you have preferred a paper bag? A baking pan? A shoebox? Please enlighten us what women are supposed to do with the bloody remnants of a pregnancy. Because most of us don’t know. I flushed mine down the toilet.

Unborn babies have bodies, they are developing humans.



This baby was 21 weeks old when born, and survived. The baby in this case was a week older.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/family/story/miracle-baby-born-21-weeks-heads-home-hospital-74848084

This woman tried to flush her baby down the toilet, but the baby’s body was too big and he or she became stuck in the toilet. The police who investigated found the baby’s body stuck in the toilet. The mother has scooped blood and feces into the bucket so she hide the fact she had given birth.

The hospital had admitted her twice before and she signed herself out if the hospital against her doctor’s orders. They made sure she was aware she needed medical care and could likely die if she left. She left anyway.

You are exactly why people hate religious pro-lifers.

You’re ignorant and judgmental and you want to hurt women.

People don’t need to be religious to know that it’s wrong to leave a hospital two times when you are pregnant and bleeding and in pain, against doctor’s advice.

People don’t need to be religious to know that hiding a pregnancy to the extent you are in danger of dying is wrong. Medical issues are private and privacy is to be respected, but trying to keep a secret and being close to death is just unacceptable. In america, we don’t leave stillborn babies lying about in public or on trash heaps or in buckets in our yards. Having sympathy for very complicated situation is admirable but this woman is being a free pass as she disregarded doctors orders twice, tried to flush her baby down a toilet, presented herself as she was in the midst of a serious hemorrhage to get her hair done, etc She told a hardworking nurse who was caring for her she didn’t want her baby and left her dead baby outside in a bucket in her yard and the nurse did her freaking job and is being attacked.

I don’t know how religion is your focus here, but taking the advice of your doctors during a serious medical crisis has nothing to do with religion.

This woman hurt herself by her actions.

I take it we are now going to be allowing women to discard their babies in public on trash heaps like people do in India and it’s going to be considered pro-woman and helpful to women to do so. That’s right, just throw your baby outside somewhere and go get your hair done, and if you hemorrhage to death in a beauty salon well it’s just fine. Some wild animal or stray dog will wander by and eat your discarded dead baby because women have rights and it’s not a baby.

This. I am glad she’s being prosecuted. The way she treated her baby and her lack of respect for life is disgusting. Can you imagine your own baby dying and putting him or her in the toilet??

If you’re defending flushing a precious baby down the toilet you should do some soul searching to see how you got to a point where you think that behavior is okay.

What the hell is wrong with you ?

Shame on you your mother raised an idiot and a uncaring uneducated sociopath

How dare you judge her!
How dare you bring your garbage uneducated crap to this forum. I am tired of women judging other women when it’s none of their business none zero . You have no idea what she was going through
Go back to the hole you climbed out if your mother failed miserably

Do you not think that first responders are emotionally damaged when they have to take a dead baby out of a toilet? Do you imagine that when a coroner has to do an autopsy on a dead baby, it’s peaches and cream? Of course it’s their job, and they deal with very upsetting situations daily, but they too are affected by this woman’s actions. She didn’t need to do this. She chose to do this. Everyone suffers (first responders, her family, the nurses that tried to help her, her hairdresser who had to contact her mom to beg her to get her daughter help, etc) because this woman was committed to keeping a secret that could not be a secret. Women have a responsibility to themselves first and this woman would not even accept responsibility for her own life. The medical personnel being attacked and blamed saved her life. They tried countless times to do so and she disappeared on them. She told the nurse she didn’t want her baby.

Every woman who has been pregnant knows what she went through, especially if they lost a baby. The vast majority of women who experience pregnancy complications do not leave the hospital after being admitted for treatment, much less leave two times.

She cleaned her bathroom and showered after she plunged her baby down the pipes. Has anyone here plunged their dead baby down their toilet and then clogged their toilet with the baby’s body?

If yes, why?
If no, why not.

Wow. You really do get off on persecuting her.

The religious a-holes are all out sadistic.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the forced-birthers are now clinging to the narrative that her wrongdoing was actually leaving the hospital …

This entire thread shows how divided people are and dogmatic about their beliefs. They can’t see nuance or consider another point of view. The pro lifers automatically assume she was in the wrong and the pro choices jump to the conclusion she didn’t do anything wrong at all and the event was just like their miscarriage. Really the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The lack of medical care is concerning and it’s also concerning someone found a foot stuck in her toilet.

Most likely she has severe mental health issues since she’s telling people there is a body in a bucket in her backyard.

Most sane people don’t refer to second trimester fetal remains as “a body”.

Did the hospital give her a body bag to put it in if she passed it at home?

What was otherwise available to her for placing what she thought were fetal remains in? A bucket seems as good a container as anything else. Would you have preferred a paper bag? A baking pan? A shoebox? Please enlighten us what women are supposed to do with the bloody remnants of a pregnancy. Because most of us don’t know. I flushed mine down the toilet.

Unborn babies have bodies, they are developing humans.



This baby was 21 weeks old when born, and survived. The baby in this case was a week older.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/family/story/miracle-baby-born-21-weeks-heads-home-hospital-74848084

This woman tried to flush her baby down the toilet, but the baby’s body was too big and he or she became stuck in the toilet. The police who investigated found the baby’s body stuck in the toilet. The mother has scooped blood and feces into the bucket so she hide the fact she had given birth.

The hospital had admitted her twice before and she signed herself out if the hospital against her doctor’s orders. They made sure she was aware she needed medical care and could likely die if she left. She left anyway.

You are exactly why people hate religious pro-lifers.

You’re ignorant and judgmental and you want to hurt women.

People don’t need to be religious to know that it’s wrong to leave a hospital two times when you are pregnant and bleeding and in pain, against doctor’s advice.

People don’t need to be religious to know that hiding a pregnancy to the extent you are in danger of dying is wrong. Medical issues are private and privacy is to be respected, but trying to keep a secret and being close to death is just unacceptable. In america, we don’t leave stillborn babies lying about in public or on trash heaps or in buckets in our yards. Having sympathy for very complicated situation is admirable but this woman is being a free pass as she disregarded doctors orders twice, tried to flush her baby down a toilet, presented herself as she was in the midst of a serious hemorrhage to get her hair done, etc She told a hardworking nurse who was caring for her she didn’t want her baby and left her dead baby outside in a bucket in her yard and the nurse did her freaking job and is being attacked.

I don’t know how religion is your focus here, but taking the advice of your doctors during a serious medical crisis has nothing to do with religion.

This woman hurt herself by her actions.

I take it we are now going to be allowing women to discard their babies in public on trash heaps like people do in India and it’s going to be considered pro-woman and helpful to women to do so. That’s right, just throw your baby outside somewhere and go get your hair done, and if you hemorrhage to death in a beauty salon well it’s just fine. Some wild animal or stray dog will wander by and eat your discarded dead baby because women have rights and it’s not a baby.

This. I am glad she’s being prosecuted. The way she treated her baby and her lack of respect for life is disgusting. Can you imagine your own baby dying and putting him or her in the toilet??

If you’re defending flushing a precious baby down the toilet you should do some soul searching to see how you got to a point where you think that behavior is okay.

What the hell is wrong with you ?

Shame on you your mother raised an idiot and a uncaring uneducated sociopath

How dare you judge her!
How dare you bring your garbage uneducated crap to this forum. I am tired of women judging other women when it’s none of their business none zero . You have no idea what she was going through
Go back to the hole you climbed out if your mother failed miserably

Do you not think that first responders are emotionally damaged when they have to take a dead baby out of a toilet? Do you imagine that when a coroner has to do an autopsy on a dead baby, it’s peaches and cream? Of course it’s their job, and they deal with very upsetting situations daily, but they too are affected by this woman’s actions. She didn’t need to do this. She chose to do this. Everyone suffers (first responders, her family, the nurses that tried to help her, her hairdresser who had to contact her mom to beg her to get her daughter help, etc) because this woman was committed to keeping a secret that could not be a secret. Women have a responsibility to themselves first and this woman would not even accept responsibility for her own life. The medical personnel being attacked and blamed saved her life. They tried countless times to do so and she disappeared on them. She told the nurse she didn’t want her baby.

Every woman who has been pregnant knows what she went through, especially if they lost a baby. The vast majority of women who experience pregnancy complications do not leave the hospital after being admitted for treatment, much less leave two times.

She cleaned her bathroom and showered after she plunged her baby down the pipes. Has anyone here plunged their dead baby down their toilet and then clogged their toilet with the baby’s body?

If yes, why?
If no, why not.

It was a fetus and who knows what state it was in or what that toilet bowl looked like. Look at you with more sympathy for professionals who are trained to deal with these things but none for the woman who went thru lit alone.

Many of us have miscarried over a toilet and then flushed. You’re just not listening to us tell you that over and over again.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for her. The last thing I’d want after giving birth (and a stillbirth at that) is to engage with any human, especially police officers. She must have been exhausted and emotionally distraught.

She went to an appointment with her hairdresser.

You've obviously never worked with victims of trauma before--or even done a basic google search on common trauma responses.

But besides all of that, I don't care if she left her home, hopped on a train and joined the Rockettes kickline at Radio City. It is insane to put a woman in jail for this alleged 'crime'.

“At one point, a physician advised Ms Watts that she should have her labour induced, a procedure that amounted to an abortion and would cause her to deliver the fetus but also put her at “significant risk” of death, according to those records obtained by the Associated Press.“

So the doctors at the hospital wanted to induce her and give her the abortion she needed, but she left the hospital.

Good lord you typed this out in the middle of your screed and don’t even seem to realize what you are saying.

Being induced for l&d which could put you at significant risk for death is NOT the same thing as getting a D&C which is fast and safer.

Are you this clueless about everything? Please share with us your near death experience giving birth or miscarrying

How is giving birth in a toilet, by yourself, safer?

A D&C is not giving birth in a toilet by yourself. Are you always this clueless?

I’m saying giving birth into a toilet isn’t safer than being in a hospital. She left AMA and birthed on her own. I’m asking how that’s safer. If the hospital was going to induce labor one would think that was far safer than doing it on your own.

If only they gave her that option.

Earlier that week, she was admitted twice to Mercy Health St. Joseph Warren Hospital when she experienced agonizing cramps and bleeding. (she was admitted to the hospital twice)

However, she left both times after waiting hours to see a doctor. (yes it takes time to see a doctor. The important thing was she was admitted to the hospital, in a hospital bed with medical professionals monitoring her condition. A doctor signed an order to have her admitted. The doctor who would be in charge of her treatment would be a different doctor. That’s how hospitals work. This woman was hiding her pregnancy from her family and couldn’t stay in a hospital because her family would ask where she was.)

Following the miscarriage, which she suffered at just over 22 weeks pregnant, Watts flushed the toilet.

When the toilet overflowed, she used a bucket to clean up. As she did not want anyone to know about the pregnancy, Watts then went to the salon for a hair appointment.

But the hairdresser was concerned and called her mother. Watts was taken to the hospital, where a nurse phoned 911.

According to transcripts, the nurse told a dispatcher that Watts was sent to the hospital earlier that week with bleeding and left ‘against medical advice.’

‘She came back in on Wednesday still bleeding and said, “Maybe I do need to be seen.” So we readmitted her and we were talking her through everything and she disappeared,’ the nurse said.

She said Watts admitted to placing the fetus in a bucket and putting it outside her home, and claimed that Watts told her she did not want the baby. ( Doctors couldn’t even treat her because she KEPT LEAVING. And now you all are attacking the medical system and people working in a high she refused treatment from?)

I’m attacking the religious a-holes who prevented the doctors from doing their job.

Keep your religion out of medical care. You are hurting women.

She didn’t receive medical care because she left against the advice of the doctors who were treating her. No religious issues prevented her from receiving treatment, her overwhelming desire to hide her pregnancy caused her to flee from medical treatment. Notice she presented for a hair appointment but refused medical treatment. If you can show up to get your hair done, you can show up to save your life. The person that stopped her from receiving medical treatment was herself.

8 hours is a long time to sit around not knowing what the hospital is going to Don

Stop with your judgy yammering about her hair appointment.

You really are callous. You might benefit from some empathy training.

8 hours is not a long time to be admitted and monitored before a course of treatment is decided upon. People pushing the narrative that she was languishing in an er waiting room bleeding and in pain are the same people who are pretending religious people somehow stopped her from receiving treatment when in reality she left the hospital twice and continued to hide her life threatening medical situation.

She is making bank off this situation while the medical personnel who tried repeatedly to treat her and eventually did save her life are being attacked and characterized falsely and impugned. What a bunch of a-holes posting here. No wonder there is a shortage of nurses, who wants to spend their lives being attacked and treated like crap and threatened with a law suit because you did your job instead of participating in some nut case’s game of keeping medically dangerous, life threatening secrets.

Leave the hospital and die as you get your hair done, just don’t blame doctors or nurses. Plunge your baby down a toilet, but don’t blame doctors because you left after they admitted you.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the forced-birthers are now clinging to the narrative that her wrongdoing was actually leaving the hospital …

This entire thread shows how divided people are and dogmatic about their beliefs. They can’t see nuance or consider another point of view. The pro lifers automatically assume she was in the wrong and the pro choices jump to the conclusion she didn’t do anything wrong at all and the event was just like their miscarriage. Really the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The lack of medical care is concerning and it’s also concerning someone found a foot stuck in her toilet.

Most likely she has severe mental health issues since she’s telling people there is a body in a bucket in her backyard.

Most sane people don’t refer to second trimester fetal remains as “a body”.

Did the hospital give her a body bag to put it in if she passed it at home?

What was otherwise available to her for placing what she thought were fetal remains in? A bucket seems as good a container as anything else. Would you have preferred a paper bag? A baking pan? A shoebox? Please enlighten us what women are supposed to do with the bloody remnants of a pregnancy. Because most of us don’t know. I flushed mine down the toilet.

Unborn babies have bodies, they are developing humans.



This baby was 21 weeks old when born, and survived. The baby in this case was a week older.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/family/story/miracle-baby-born-21-weeks-heads-home-hospital-74848084

This woman tried to flush her baby down the toilet, but the baby’s body was too big and he or she became stuck in the toilet. The police who investigated found the baby’s body stuck in the toilet. The mother has scooped blood and feces into the bucket so she hide the fact she had given birth.

The hospital had admitted her twice before and she signed herself out if the hospital against her doctor’s orders. They made sure she was aware she needed medical care and could likely die if she left. She left anyway.

You are exactly why people hate religious pro-lifers.

You’re ignorant and judgmental and you want to hurt women.

People don’t need to be religious to know that it’s wrong to leave a hospital two times when you are pregnant and bleeding and in pain, against doctor’s advice.

People don’t need to be religious to know that hiding a pregnancy to the extent you are in danger of dying is wrong. Medical issues are private and privacy is to be respected, but trying to keep a secret and being close to death is just unacceptable. In america, we don’t leave stillborn babies lying about in public or on trash heaps or in buckets in our yards. Having sympathy for very complicated situation is admirable but this woman is being a free pass as she disregarded doctors orders twice, tried to flush her baby down a toilet, presented herself as she was in the midst of a serious hemorrhage to get her hair done, etc She told a hardworking nurse who was caring for her she didn’t want her baby and left her dead baby outside in a bucket in her yard and the nurse did her freaking job and is being attacked.

I don’t know how religion is your focus here, but taking the advice of your doctors during a serious medical crisis has nothing to do with religion.

This woman hurt herself by her actions.

I take it we are now going to be allowing women to discard their babies in public on trash heaps like people do in India and it’s going to be considered pro-woman and helpful to women to do so. That’s right, just throw your baby outside somewhere and go get your hair done, and if you hemorrhage to death in a beauty salon well it’s just fine. Some wild animal or stray dog will wander by and eat your discarded dead baby because women have rights and it’s not a baby.

This. I am glad she’s being prosecuted. The way she treated her baby and her lack of respect for life is disgusting. Can you imagine your own baby dying and putting him or her in the toilet??

If you’re defending flushing a precious baby down the toilet you should do some soul searching to see how you got to a point where you think that behavior is okay.

What the hell is wrong with you ?

Shame on you your mother raised an idiot and a uncaring uneducated sociopath

How dare you judge her!
How dare you bring your garbage uneducated crap to this forum. I am tired of women judging other women when it’s none of their business none zero . You have no idea what she was going through
Go back to the hole you climbed out if your mother failed miserably

Do you not think that first responders are emotionally damaged when they have to take a dead baby out of a toilet? Do you imagine that when a coroner has to do an autopsy on a dead baby, it’s peaches and cream? Of course it’s their job, and they deal with very upsetting situations daily, but they too are affected by this woman’s actions. She didn’t need to do this. She chose to do this. Everyone suffers (first responders, her family, the nurses that tried to help her, her hairdresser who had to contact her mom to beg her to get her daughter help, etc) because this woman was committed to keeping a secret that could not be a secret. Women have a responsibility to themselves first and this woman would not even accept responsibility for her own life. The medical personnel being attacked and blamed saved her life. They tried countless times to do so and she disappeared on them. She told the nurse she didn’t want her baby.

Every woman who has been pregnant knows what she went through, especially if they lost a baby. The vast majority of women who experience pregnancy complications do not leave the hospital after being admitted for treatment, much less leave two times.

She cleaned her bathroom and showered after she plunged her baby down the pipes. Has anyone here plunged their dead baby down their toilet and then clogged their toilet with the baby’s body?

If yes, why?
If no, why not.

It was a fetus and who knows what state it was in or what that toilet bowl looked like. Look at you with more sympathy for professionals who are trained to deal with these things but none for the woman who went thru lit alone.

Many of us have miscarried over a toilet and then flushed. You’re just not listening to us tell you that over and over again.

So did your dead baby clog your toilet? Mine didn’t.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for her. The last thing I’d want after giving birth (and a stillbirth at that) is to engage with any human, especially police officers. She must have been exhausted and emotionally distraught.

She went to an appointment with her hairdresser.

You've obviously never worked with victims of trauma before--or even done a basic google search on common trauma responses.

But besides all of that, I don't care if she left her home, hopped on a train and joined the Rockettes kickline at Radio City. It is insane to put a woman in jail for this alleged 'crime'.

“At one point, a physician advised Ms Watts that she should have her labour induced, a procedure that amounted to an abortion and would cause her to deliver the fetus but also put her at “significant risk” of death, according to those records obtained by the Associated Press.“

So the doctors at the hospital wanted to induce her and give her the abortion she needed, but she left the hospital.

Good lord you typed this out in the middle of your screed and don’t even seem to realize what you are saying.

Being induced for l&d which could put you at significant risk for death is NOT the same thing as getting a D&C which is fast and safer.

Are you this clueless about everything? Please share with us your near death experience giving birth or miscarrying

How is giving birth in a toilet, by yourself, safer?

A D&C is not giving birth in a toilet by yourself. Are you always this clueless?

I’m saying giving birth into a toilet isn’t safer than being in a hospital. She left AMA and birthed on her own. I’m asking how that’s safer. If the hospital was going to induce labor one would think that was far safer than doing it on your own.

If only they gave her that option.

Earlier that week, she was admitted twice to Mercy Health St. Joseph Warren Hospital when she experienced agonizing cramps and bleeding. (she was admitted to the hospital twice)

However, she left both times after waiting hours to see a doctor. (yes it takes time to see a doctor. The important thing was she was admitted to the hospital, in a hospital bed with medical professionals monitoring her condition. A doctor signed an order to have her admitted. The doctor who would be in charge of her treatment would be a different doctor. That’s how hospitals work. This woman was hiding her pregnancy from her family and couldn’t stay in a hospital because her family would ask where she was.)

Following the miscarriage, which she suffered at just over 22 weeks pregnant, Watts flushed the toilet.

When the toilet overflowed, she used a bucket to clean up. As she did not want anyone to know about the pregnancy, Watts then went to the salon for a hair appointment.

But the hairdresser was concerned and called her mother. Watts was taken to the hospital, where a nurse phoned 911.

According to transcripts, the nurse told a dispatcher that Watts was sent to the hospital earlier that week with bleeding and left ‘against medical advice.’

‘She came back in on Wednesday still bleeding and said, “Maybe I do need to be seen.” So we readmitted her and we were talking her through everything and she disappeared,’ the nurse said.

She said Watts admitted to placing the fetus in a bucket and putting it outside her home, and claimed that Watts told her she did not want the baby. ( Doctors couldn’t even treat her because she KEPT LEAVING. And now you all are attacking the medical system and people working in a high she refused treatment from?)

I’m attacking the religious a-holes who prevented the doctors from doing their job.

Keep your religion out of medical care. You are hurting women.

She didn’t receive medical care because she left against the advice of the doctors who were treating her. No religious issues prevented her from receiving treatment, her overwhelming desire to hide her pregnancy caused her to flee from medical treatment. Notice she presented for a hair appointment but refused medical treatment. If you can show up to get your hair done, you can show up to save your life. The person that stopped her from receiving medical treatment was herself.

8 hours is a long time to sit around not knowing what the hospital is going to Don

Stop with your judgy yammering about her hair appointment.

You really are callous. You might benefit from some empathy training.

8 hours is not a long time to be admitted and monitored before a course of treatment is decided upon. People pushing the narrative that she was languishing in an er waiting room bleeding and in pain are the same people who are pretending religious people somehow stopped her from receiving treatment when in reality she left the hospital twice and continued to hide her life threatening medical situation.

She is making bank off this situation while the medical personnel who tried repeatedly to treat her and eventually did save her life are being attacked and characterized falsely and impugned. What a bunch of a-holes posting here. No wonder there is a shortage of nurses, who wants to spend their lives being attacked and treated like crap and threatened with a law suit because you did your job instead of participating in some nut case’s game of keeping medically dangerous, life threatening secrets.

Leave the hospital and die as you get your hair done, just don’t blame doctors or nurses. Plunge your baby down a toilet, but don’t blame doctors because you left after they admitted you.

Right. It was all a huge plot to make money.

You are demented.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the forced-birthers are now clinging to the narrative that her wrongdoing was actually leaving the hospital …

This entire thread shows how divided people are and dogmatic about their beliefs. They can’t see nuance or consider another point of view. The pro lifers automatically assume she was in the wrong and the pro choices jump to the conclusion she didn’t do anything wrong at all and the event was just like their miscarriage. Really the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The lack of medical care is concerning and it’s also concerning someone found a foot stuck in her toilet.

Most likely she has severe mental health issues since she’s telling people there is a body in a bucket in her backyard.

Most sane people don’t refer to second trimester fetal remains as “a body”.

Did the hospital give her a body bag to put it in if she passed it at home?

What was otherwise available to her for placing what she thought were fetal remains in? A bucket seems as good a container as anything else. Would you have preferred a paper bag? A baking pan? A shoebox? Please enlighten us what women are supposed to do with the bloody remnants of a pregnancy. Because most of us don’t know. I flushed mine down the toilet.

Unborn babies have bodies, they are developing humans.



This baby was 21 weeks old when born, and survived. The baby in this case was a week older.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/family/story/miracle-baby-born-21-weeks-heads-home-hospital-74848084

This woman tried to flush her baby down the toilet, but the baby’s body was too big and he or she became stuck in the toilet. The police who investigated found the baby’s body stuck in the toilet. The mother has scooped blood and feces into the bucket so she hide the fact she had given birth.

The hospital had admitted her twice before and she signed herself out if the hospital against her doctor’s orders. They made sure she was aware she needed medical care and could likely die if she left. She left anyway.

You are exactly why people hate religious pro-lifers.

You’re ignorant and judgmental and you want to hurt women.

People don’t need to be religious to know that it’s wrong to leave a hospital two times when you are pregnant and bleeding and in pain, against doctor’s advice.

People don’t need to be religious to know that hiding a pregnancy to the extent you are in danger of dying is wrong. Medical issues are private and privacy is to be respected, but trying to keep a secret and being close to death is just unacceptable. In america, we don’t leave stillborn babies lying about in public or on trash heaps or in buckets in our yards. Having sympathy for very complicated situation is admirable but this woman is being a free pass as she disregarded doctors orders twice, tried to flush her baby down a toilet, presented herself as she was in the midst of a serious hemorrhage to get her hair done, etc She told a hardworking nurse who was caring for her she didn’t want her baby and left her dead baby outside in a bucket in her yard and the nurse did her freaking job and is being attacked.

I don’t know how religion is your focus here, but taking the advice of your doctors during a serious medical crisis has nothing to do with religion.

This woman hurt herself by her actions.

I take it we are now going to be allowing women to discard their babies in public on trash heaps like people do in India and it’s going to be considered pro-woman and helpful to women to do so. That’s right, just throw your baby outside somewhere and go get your hair done, and if you hemorrhage to death in a beauty salon well it’s just fine. Some wild animal or stray dog will wander by and eat your discarded dead baby because women have rights and it’s not a baby.

This. I am glad she’s being prosecuted. The way she treated her baby and her lack of respect for life is disgusting. Can you imagine your own baby dying and putting him or her in the toilet??

If you’re defending flushing a precious baby down the toilet you should do some soul searching to see how you got to a point where you think that behavior is okay.

What the hell is wrong with you ?

Shame on you your mother raised an idiot and a uncaring uneducated sociopath

How dare you judge her!
How dare you bring your garbage uneducated crap to this forum. I am tired of women judging other women when it’s none of their business none zero . You have no idea what she was going through
Go back to the hole you climbed out if your mother failed miserably

Do you not think that first responders are emotionally damaged when they have to take a dead baby out of a toilet? Do you imagine that when a coroner has to do an autopsy on a dead baby, it’s peaches and cream? Of course it’s their job, and they deal with very upsetting situations daily, but they too are affected by this woman’s actions. She didn’t need to do this. She chose to do this. Everyone suffers (first responders, her family, the nurses that tried to help her, her hairdresser who had to contact her mom to beg her to get her daughter help, etc) because this woman was committed to keeping a secret that could not be a secret. Women have a responsibility to themselves first and this woman would not even accept responsibility for her own life. The medical personnel being attacked and blamed saved her life. They tried countless times to do so and she disappeared on them. She told the nurse she didn’t want her baby.

Every woman who has been pregnant knows what she went through, especially if they lost a baby. The vast majority of women who experience pregnancy complications do not leave the hospital after being admitted for treatment, much less leave two times.

She cleaned her bathroom and showered after she plunged her baby down the pipes. Has anyone here plunged their dead baby down their toilet and then clogged their toilet with the baby’s body?

If yes, why?
If no, why not.

It was a fetus and who knows what state it was in or what that toilet bowl looked like. Look at you with more sympathy for professionals who are trained to deal with these things but none for the woman who went thru lit alone.

Many of us have miscarried over a toilet and then flushed. You’re just not listening to us tell you that over and over again.

So did your dead baby clog your toilet? Mine didn’t.

I live in a state where D&Cs are still legal so I didn’t have to flush my dead fetus. I received the medical care I needed because sadistic, religious a-holes didn’t block it.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the forced-birthers are now clinging to the narrative that her wrongdoing was actually leaving the hospital …

This entire thread shows how divided people are and dogmatic about their beliefs. They can’t see nuance or consider another point of view. The pro lifers automatically assume she was in the wrong and the pro choices jump to the conclusion she didn’t do anything wrong at all and the event was just like their miscarriage. Really the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The lack of medical care is concerning and it’s also concerning someone found a foot stuck in her toilet.

Most likely she has severe mental health issues since she’s telling people there is a body in a bucket in her backyard.

Most sane people don’t refer to second trimester fetal remains as “a body”.

Did the hospital give her a body bag to put it in if she passed it at home?

What was otherwise available to her for placing what she thought were fetal remains in? A bucket seems as good a container as anything else. Would you have preferred a paper bag? A baking pan? A shoebox? Please enlighten us what women are supposed to do with the bloody remnants of a pregnancy. Because most of us don’t know. I flushed mine down the toilet.

Unborn babies have bodies, they are developing humans.



This baby was 21 weeks old when born, and survived. The baby in this case was a week older.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/family/story/miracle-baby-born-21-weeks-heads-home-hospital-74848084

This woman tried to flush her baby down the toilet, but the baby’s body was too big and he or she became stuck in the toilet. The police who investigated found the baby’s body stuck in the toilet. The mother has scooped blood and feces into the bucket so she hide the fact she had given birth.

The hospital had admitted her twice before and she signed herself out if the hospital against her doctor’s orders. They made sure she was aware she needed medical care and could likely die if she left. She left anyway.

You are exactly why people hate religious pro-lifers.

You’re ignorant and judgmental and you want to hurt women.

People don’t need to be religious to know that it’s wrong to leave a hospital two times when you are pregnant and bleeding and in pain, against doctor’s advice.

People don’t need to be religious to know that hiding a pregnancy to the extent you are in danger of dying is wrong. Medical issues are private and privacy is to be respected, but trying to keep a secret and being close to death is just unacceptable. In america, we don’t leave stillborn babies lying about in public or on trash heaps or in buckets in our yards. Having sympathy for very complicated situation is admirable but this woman is being a free pass as she disregarded doctors orders twice, tried to flush her baby down a toilet, presented herself as she was in the midst of a serious hemorrhage to get her hair done, etc She told a hardworking nurse who was caring for her she didn’t want her baby and left her dead baby outside in a bucket in her yard and the nurse did her freaking job and is being attacked.

I don’t know how religion is your focus here, but taking the advice of your doctors during a serious medical crisis has nothing to do with religion.

This woman hurt herself by her actions.

I take it we are now going to be allowing women to discard their babies in public on trash heaps like people do in India and it’s going to be considered pro-woman and helpful to women to do so. That’s right, just throw your baby outside somewhere and go get your hair done, and if you hemorrhage to death in a beauty salon well it’s just fine. Some wild animal or stray dog will wander by and eat your discarded dead baby because women have rights and it’s not a baby.

This. I am glad she’s being prosecuted. The way she treated her baby and her lack of respect for life is disgusting. Can you imagine your own baby dying and putting him or her in the toilet??

If you’re defending flushing a precious baby down the toilet you should do some soul searching to see how you got to a point where you think that behavior is okay.

What the hell is wrong with you ?

Shame on you your mother raised an idiot and a uncaring uneducated sociopath

How dare you judge her!
How dare you bring your garbage uneducated crap to this forum. I am tired of women judging other women when it’s none of their business none zero . You have no idea what she was going through
Go back to the hole you climbed out if your mother failed miserably

Do you not think that first responders are emotionally damaged when they have to take a dead baby out of a toilet? Do you imagine that when a coroner has to do an autopsy on a dead baby, it’s peaches and cream? Of course it’s their job, and they deal with very upsetting situations daily, but they too are affected by this woman’s actions. She didn’t need to do this. She chose to do this. Everyone suffers (first responders, her family, the nurses that tried to help her, her hairdresser who had to contact her mom to beg her to get her daughter help, etc) because this woman was committed to keeping a secret that could not be a secret. Women have a responsibility to themselves first and this woman would not even accept responsibility for her own life. The medical personnel being attacked and blamed saved her life. They tried countless times to do so and she disappeared on them. She told the nurse she didn’t want her baby.

Every woman who has been pregnant knows what she went through, especially if they lost a baby. The vast majority of women who experience pregnancy complications do not leave the hospital after being admitted for treatment, much less leave two times.

She cleaned her bathroom and showered after she plunged her baby down the pipes. Has anyone here plunged their dead baby down their toilet and then clogged their toilet with the baby’s body?

If yes, why?
If no, why not.

It was a fetus and who knows what state it was in or what that toilet bowl looked like. Look at you with more sympathy for professionals who are trained to deal with these things but none for the woman who went thru lit alone.

Many of us have miscarried over a toilet and then flushed. You’re just not listening to us tell you that over and over again.

She chose to go through it alone. She refused to even ask for the support of her mother. She left the hospital twice. Nobody could help her because she refused to get any help. Now the hospital, the doctors, the nurse, the government, religious people, are all
at fault because this woman refused help from everyone. She’s 34.

Her nurse had a duty to report her situation and is being attacked and harassed, that shows the intelligence and integrity of the people who are inserting themselves into this situation.

Babies who die in utero and are smaller than their gestational age will not clog a toilet so keep flogging that bs while you are at it. Ghouls.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the forced-birthers are now clinging to the narrative that her wrongdoing was actually leaving the hospital …

This entire thread shows how divided people are and dogmatic about their beliefs. They can’t see nuance or consider another point of view. The pro lifers automatically assume she was in the wrong and the pro choices jump to the conclusion she didn’t do anything wrong at all and the event was just like their miscarriage. Really the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The lack of medical care is concerning and it’s also concerning someone found a foot stuck in her toilet.

Most likely she has severe mental health issues since she’s telling people there is a body in a bucket in her backyard.

Most sane people don’t refer to second trimester fetal remains as “a body”.

Did the hospital give her a body bag to put it in if she passed it at home?

What was otherwise available to her for placing what she thought were fetal remains in? A bucket seems as good a container as anything else. Would you have preferred a paper bag? A baking pan? A shoebox? Please enlighten us what women are supposed to do with the bloody remnants of a pregnancy. Because most of us don’t know. I flushed mine down the toilet.

Unborn babies have bodies, they are developing humans.



This baby was 21 weeks old when born, and survived. The baby in this case was a week older.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/family/story/miracle-baby-born-21-weeks-heads-home-hospital-74848084

This woman tried to flush her baby down the toilet, but the baby’s body was too big and he or she became stuck in the toilet. The police who investigated found the baby’s body stuck in the toilet. The mother has scooped blood and feces into the bucket so she hide the fact she had given birth.

The hospital had admitted her twice before and she signed herself out if the hospital against her doctor’s orders. They made sure she was aware she needed medical care and could likely die if she left. She left anyway.

You are exactly why people hate religious pro-lifers.

You’re ignorant and judgmental and you want to hurt women.

People don’t need to be religious to know that it’s wrong to leave a hospital two times when you are pregnant and bleeding and in pain, against doctor’s advice.

People don’t need to be religious to know that hiding a pregnancy to the extent you are in danger of dying is wrong. Medical issues are private and privacy is to be respected, but trying to keep a secret and being close to death is just unacceptable. In america, we don’t leave stillborn babies lying about in public or on trash heaps or in buckets in our yards. Having sympathy for very complicated situation is admirable but this woman is being a free pass as she disregarded doctors orders twice, tried to flush her baby down a toilet, presented herself as she was in the midst of a serious hemorrhage to get her hair done, etc She told a hardworking nurse who was caring for her she didn’t want her baby and left her dead baby outside in a bucket in her yard and the nurse did her freaking job and is being attacked.

I don’t know how religion is your focus here, but taking the advice of your doctors during a serious medical crisis has nothing to do with religion.

This woman hurt herself by her actions.

I take it we are now going to be allowing women to discard their babies in public on trash heaps like people do in India and it’s going to be considered pro-woman and helpful to women to do so. That’s right, just throw your baby outside somewhere and go get your hair done, and if you hemorrhage to death in a beauty salon well it’s just fine. Some wild animal or stray dog will wander by and eat your discarded dead baby because women have rights and it’s not a baby.

This. I am glad she’s being prosecuted. The way she treated her baby and her lack of respect for life is disgusting. Can you imagine your own baby dying and putting him or her in the toilet??

If you’re defending flushing a precious baby down the toilet you should do some soul searching to see how you got to a point where you think that behavior is okay.

What the hell is wrong with you ?

Shame on you your mother raised an idiot and a uncaring uneducated sociopath

How dare you judge her!
How dare you bring your garbage uneducated crap to this forum. I am tired of women judging other women when it’s none of their business none zero . You have no idea what she was going through
Go back to the hole you climbed out if your mother failed miserably

Do you not think that first responders are emotionally damaged when they have to take a dead baby out of a toilet? Do you imagine that when a coroner has to do an autopsy on a dead baby, it’s peaches and cream? Of course it’s their job, and they deal with very upsetting situations daily, but they too are affected by this woman’s actions. She didn’t need to do this. She chose to do this. Everyone suffers (first responders, her family, the nurses that tried to help her, her hairdresser who had to contact her mom to beg her to get her daughter help, etc) because this woman was committed to keeping a secret that could not be a secret. Women have a responsibility to themselves first and this woman would not even accept responsibility for her own life. The medical personnel being attacked and blamed saved her life. They tried countless times to do so and she disappeared on them. She told the nurse she didn’t want her baby.

Every woman who has been pregnant knows what she went through, especially if they lost a baby. The vast majority of women who experience pregnancy complications do not leave the hospital after being admitted for treatment, much less leave two times.

She cleaned her bathroom and showered after she plunged her baby down the pipes. Has anyone here plunged their dead baby down their toilet and then clogged their toilet with the baby’s body?

If yes, why?
If no, why not.

It was a fetus and who knows what state it was in or what that toilet bowl looked like. Look at you with more sympathy for professionals who are trained to deal with these things but none for the woman who went thru lit alone.

Many of us have miscarried over a toilet and then flushed. You’re just not listening to us tell you that over and over again.

So did your dead baby clog your toilet? Mine didn’t.

I live in a state where D&Cs are still legal so I didn’t have to flush my dead fetus. I received the medical care I needed because sadistic, religious a-holes didn’t block it.

Are the religious a-holes who made her leave the hospital in the room with you right now?

She left on her own after being admitted twice.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for her. The last thing I’d want after giving birth (and a stillbirth at that) is to engage with any human, especially police officers. She must have been exhausted and emotionally distraught.

She went to an appointment with her hairdresser.

You've obviously never worked with victims of trauma before--or even done a basic google search on common trauma responses.

But besides all of that, I don't care if she left her home, hopped on a train and joined the Rockettes kickline at Radio City. It is insane to put a woman in jail for this alleged 'crime'.

“At one point, a physician advised Ms Watts that she should have her labour induced, a procedure that amounted to an abortion and would cause her to deliver the fetus but also put her at “significant risk” of death, according to those records obtained by the Associated Press.“

So the doctors at the hospital wanted to induce her and give her the abortion she needed, but she left the hospital.

Good lord you typed this out in the middle of your screed and don’t even seem to realize what you are saying.

Being induced for l&d which could put you at significant risk for death is NOT the same thing as getting a D&C which is fast and safer.

Are you this clueless about everything? Please share with us your near death experience giving birth or miscarrying

How is giving birth in a toilet, by yourself, safer?

A D&C is not giving birth in a toilet by yourself. Are you always this clueless?

I’m saying giving birth into a toilet isn’t safer than being in a hospital. She left AMA and birthed on her own. I’m asking how that’s safer. If the hospital was going to induce labor one would think that was far safer than doing it on your own.

If only they gave her that option.

Earlier that week, she was admitted twice to Mercy Health St. Joseph Warren Hospital when she experienced agonizing cramps and bleeding. (she was admitted to the hospital twice)

However, she left both times after waiting hours to see a doctor. (yes it takes time to see a doctor. The important thing was she was admitted to the hospital, in a hospital bed with medical professionals monitoring her condition. A doctor signed an order to have her admitted. The doctor who would be in charge of her treatment would be a different doctor. That’s how hospitals work. This woman was hiding her pregnancy from her family and couldn’t stay in a hospital because her family would ask where she was.)

Following the miscarriage, which she suffered at just over 22 weeks pregnant, Watts flushed the toilet.

When the toilet overflowed, she used a bucket to clean up. As she did not want anyone to know about the pregnancy, Watts then went to the salon for a hair appointment.

But the hairdresser was concerned and called her mother. Watts was taken to the hospital, where a nurse phoned 911.

According to transcripts, the nurse told a dispatcher that Watts was sent to the hospital earlier that week with bleeding and left ‘against medical advice.’

‘She came back in on Wednesday still bleeding and said, “Maybe I do need to be seen.” So we readmitted her and we were talking her through everything and she disappeared,’ the nurse said.

She said Watts admitted to placing the fetus in a bucket and putting it outside her home, and claimed that Watts told her she did not want the baby. ( Doctors couldn’t even treat her because she KEPT LEAVING. And now you all are attacking the medical system and people working in a high she refused treatment from?)

I’m attacking the religious a-holes who prevented the doctors from doing their job.

Keep your religion out of medical care. You are hurting women.

She didn’t receive medical care because she left against the advice of the doctors who were treating her. No religious issues prevented her from receiving treatment, her overwhelming desire to hide her pregnancy caused her to flee from medical treatment. Notice she presented for a hair appointment but refused medical treatment. If you can show up to get your hair done, you can show up to save your life. The person that stopped her from receiving medical treatment was herself.

8 hours is a long time to sit around not knowing what the hospital is going to Don

Stop with your judgy yammering about her hair appointment.

You really are callous. You might benefit from some empathy training.

8 hours is not a long time to be admitted and monitored before a course of treatment is decided upon. People pushing the narrative that she was languishing in an er waiting room bleeding and in pain are the same people who are pretending religious people somehow stopped her from receiving treatment when in reality she left the hospital twice and continued to hide her life threatening medical situation.

She is making bank off this situation while the medical personnel who tried repeatedly to treat her and eventually did save her life are being attacked and characterized falsely and impugned. What a bunch of a-holes posting here. No wonder there is a shortage of nurses, who wants to spend their lives being attacked and treated like crap and threatened with a law suit because you did your job instead of participating in some nut case’s game of keeping medically dangerous, life threatening secrets.

Leave the hospital and die as you get your hair done, just don’t blame doctors or nurses. Plunge your baby down a toilet, but don’t blame doctors because you left after they admitted you.

Right. It was all a huge plot to make money.

You are demented.

No, it wasn’t a plot to make money. It was a woman who valued her lies over her life and suddenly everyone else on earth is at fault.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the forced-birthers are now clinging to the narrative that her wrongdoing was actually leaving the hospital …

This entire thread shows how divided people are and dogmatic about their beliefs. They can’t see nuance or consider another point of view. The pro lifers automatically assume she was in the wrong and the pro choices jump to the conclusion she didn’t do anything wrong at all and the event was just like their miscarriage. Really the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The lack of medical care is concerning and it’s also concerning someone found a foot stuck in her toilet.

Most likely she has severe mental health issues since she’s telling people there is a body in a bucket in her backyard.

Most sane people don’t refer to second trimester fetal remains as “a body”.

Did the hospital give her a body bag to put it in if she passed it at home?

What was otherwise available to her for placing what she thought were fetal remains in? A bucket seems as good a container as anything else. Would you have preferred a paper bag? A baking pan? A shoebox? Please enlighten us what women are supposed to do with the bloody remnants of a pregnancy. Because most of us don’t know. I flushed mine down the toilet.

Unborn babies have bodies, they are developing humans.



This baby was 21 weeks old when born, and survived. The baby in this case was a week older.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/family/story/miracle-baby-born-21-weeks-heads-home-hospital-74848084

This woman tried to flush her baby down the toilet, but the baby’s body was too big and he or she became stuck in the toilet. The police who investigated found the baby’s body stuck in the toilet. The mother has scooped blood and feces into the bucket so she hide the fact she had given birth.

The hospital had admitted her twice before and she signed herself out if the hospital against her doctor’s orders. They made sure she was aware she needed medical care and could likely die if she left. She left anyway.

You are exactly why people hate religious pro-lifers.

You’re ignorant and judgmental and you want to hurt women.

People don’t need to be religious to know that it’s wrong to leave a hospital two times when you are pregnant and bleeding and in pain, against doctor’s advice.

People don’t need to be religious to know that hiding a pregnancy to the extent you are in danger of dying is wrong. Medical issues are private and privacy is to be respected, but trying to keep a secret and being close to death is just unacceptable. In america, we don’t leave stillborn babies lying about in public or on trash heaps or in buckets in our yards. Having sympathy for very complicated situation is admirable but this woman is being a free pass as she disregarded doctors orders twice, tried to flush her baby down a toilet, presented herself as she was in the midst of a serious hemorrhage to get her hair done, etc She told a hardworking nurse who was caring for her she didn’t want her baby and left her dead baby outside in a bucket in her yard and the nurse did her freaking job and is being attacked.

I don’t know how religion is your focus here, but taking the advice of your doctors during a serious medical crisis has nothing to do with religion.

This woman hurt herself by her actions.

I take it we are now going to be allowing women to discard their babies in public on trash heaps like people do in India and it’s going to be considered pro-woman and helpful to women to do so. That’s right, just throw your baby outside somewhere and go get your hair done, and if you hemorrhage to death in a beauty salon well it’s just fine. Some wild animal or stray dog will wander by and eat your discarded dead baby because women have rights and it’s not a baby.

This. I am glad she’s being prosecuted. The way she treated her baby and her lack of respect for life is disgusting. Can you imagine your own baby dying and putting him or her in the toilet??

If you’re defending flushing a precious baby down the toilet you should do some soul searching to see how you got to a point where you think that behavior is okay.

What the hell is wrong with you ?

Shame on you your mother raised an idiot and a uncaring uneducated sociopath

How dare you judge her!
How dare you bring your garbage uneducated crap to this forum. I am tired of women judging other women when it’s none of their business none zero . You have no idea what she was going through
Go back to the hole you climbed out if your mother failed miserably

Do you not think that first responders are emotionally damaged when they have to take a dead baby out of a toilet? Do you imagine that when a coroner has to do an autopsy on a dead baby, it’s peaches and cream? Of course it’s their job, and they deal with very upsetting situations daily, but they too are affected by this woman’s actions. She didn’t need to do this. She chose to do this. Everyone suffers (first responders, her family, the nurses that tried to help her, her hairdresser who had to contact her mom to beg her to get her daughter help, etc) because this woman was committed to keeping a secret that could not be a secret. Women have a responsibility to themselves first and this woman would not even accept responsibility for her own life. The medical personnel being attacked and blamed saved her life. They tried countless times to do so and she disappeared on them. She told the nurse she didn’t want her baby.

Every woman who has been pregnant knows what she went through, especially if they lost a baby. The vast majority of women who experience pregnancy complications do not leave the hospital after being admitted for treatment, much less leave two times.

She cleaned her bathroom and showered after she plunged her baby down the pipes. Has anyone here plunged their dead baby down their toilet and then clogged their toilet with the baby’s body?

If yes, why?
If no, why not.

It was a fetus and who knows what state it was in or what that toilet bowl looked like. Look at you with more sympathy for professionals who are trained to deal with these things but none for the woman who went thru lit alone.

Many of us have miscarried over a toilet and then flushed. You’re just not listening to us tell you that over and over again.

So did your dead baby clog your toilet? Mine didn’t.

It was a baby to you. To me it was a fetus. Who are you to judge someone else’s experience?

You think blathering on about a toilet being clogged makes your point. It does not.

You can’t even say what you think this woman should have done after miscarrying into a toilet. You’d condemn her no matter what she did with the fetal remains.

You really need to look inside yourself before being so keen to feel superior to someone who went through such an ordeal. Most of us who have had similar experiences came away with more sympathy for others not less. Why is it you became more rigid a human?

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the forced-birthers are now clinging to the narrative that her wrongdoing was actually leaving the hospital …

This entire thread shows how divided people are and dogmatic about their beliefs. They can’t see nuance or consider another point of view. The pro lifers automatically assume she was in the wrong and the pro choices jump to the conclusion she didn’t do anything wrong at all and the event was just like their miscarriage. Really the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The lack of medical care is concerning and it’s also concerning someone found a foot stuck in her toilet.

Most likely she has severe mental health issues since she’s telling people there is a body in a bucket in her backyard.

Most sane people don’t refer to second trimester fetal remains as “a body”.

Did the hospital give her a body bag to put it in if she passed it at home?

What was otherwise available to her for placing what she thought were fetal remains in? A bucket seems as good a container as anything else. Would you have preferred a paper bag? A baking pan? A shoebox? Please enlighten us what women are supposed to do with the bloody remnants of a pregnancy. Because most of us don’t know. I flushed mine down the toilet.

Unborn babies have bodies, they are developing humans.



This baby was 21 weeks old when born, and survived. The baby in this case was a week older.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/family/story/miracle-baby-born-21-weeks-heads-home-hospital-74848084

This woman tried to flush her baby down the toilet, but the baby’s body was too big and he or she became stuck in the toilet. The police who investigated found the baby’s body stuck in the toilet. The mother has scooped blood and feces into the bucket so she hide the fact she had given birth.

The hospital had admitted her twice before and she signed herself out if the hospital against her doctor’s orders. They made sure she was aware she needed medical care and could likely die if she left. She left anyway.

You are exactly why people hate religious pro-lifers.

You’re ignorant and judgmental and you want to hurt women.

People don’t need to be religious to know that it’s wrong to leave a hospital two times when you are pregnant and bleeding and in pain, against doctor’s advice.

People don’t need to be religious to know that hiding a pregnancy to the extent you are in danger of dying is wrong. Medical issues are private and privacy is to be respected, but trying to keep a secret and being close to death is just unacceptable. In america, we don’t leave stillborn babies lying about in public or on trash heaps or in buckets in our yards. Having sympathy for very complicated situation is admirable but this woman is being a free pass as she disregarded doctors orders twice, tried to flush her baby down a toilet, presented herself as she was in the midst of a serious hemorrhage to get her hair done, etc She told a hardworking nurse who was caring for her she didn’t want her baby and left her dead baby outside in a bucket in her yard and the nurse did her freaking job and is being attacked.

I don’t know how religion is your focus here, but taking the advice of your doctors during a serious medical crisis has nothing to do with religion.

This woman hurt herself by her actions.

I take it we are now going to be allowing women to discard their babies in public on trash heaps like people do in India and it’s going to be considered pro-woman and helpful to women to do so. That’s right, just throw your baby outside somewhere and go get your hair done, and if you hemorrhage to death in a beauty salon well it’s just fine. Some wild animal or stray dog will wander by and eat your discarded dead baby because women have rights and it’s not a baby.

This. I am glad she’s being prosecuted. The way she treated her baby and her lack of respect for life is disgusting. Can you imagine your own baby dying and putting him or her in the toilet??

If you’re defending flushing a precious baby down the toilet you should do some soul searching to see how you got to a point where you think that behavior is okay.

What the hell is wrong with you ?

Shame on you your mother raised an idiot and a uncaring uneducated sociopath

How dare you judge her!
How dare you bring your garbage uneducated crap to this forum. I am tired of women judging other women when it’s none of their business none zero . You have no idea what she was going through
Go back to the hole you climbed out if your mother failed miserably

Do you not think that first responders are emotionally damaged when they have to take a dead baby out of a toilet? Do you imagine that when a coroner has to do an autopsy on a dead baby, it’s peaches and cream? Of course it’s their job, and they deal with very upsetting situations daily, but they too are affected by this woman’s actions. She didn’t need to do this. She chose to do this. Everyone suffers (first responders, her family, the nurses that tried to help her, her hairdresser who had to contact her mom to beg her to get her daughter help, etc) because this woman was committed to keeping a secret that could not be a secret. Women have a responsibility to themselves first and this woman would not even accept responsibility for her own life. The medical personnel being attacked and blamed saved her life. They tried countless times to do so and she disappeared on them. She told the nurse she didn’t want her baby.

Every woman who has been pregnant knows what she went through, especially if they lost a baby. The vast majority of women who experience pregnancy complications do not leave the hospital after being admitted for treatment, much less leave two times.

She cleaned her bathroom and showered after she plunged her baby down the pipes. Has anyone here plunged their dead baby down their toilet and then clogged their toilet with the baby’s body?

If yes, why?
If no, why not.

It was a fetus and who knows what state it was in or what that toilet bowl looked like. Look at you with more sympathy for professionals who are trained to deal with these things but none for the woman who went thru lit alone.

Many of us have miscarried over a toilet and then flushed. You’re just not listening to us tell you that over and over again.

She chose to go through it alone. She refused to even ask for the support of her mother. She left the hospital twice. Nobody could help her because she refused to get any help. Now the hospital, the doctors, the nurse, the government, religious people, are all
at fault because this woman refused help from everyone. She’s 34.

Her nurse had a duty to report her situation and is being attacked and harassed, that shows the intelligence and integrity of the people who are inserting themselves into this situation.

Babies who die in utero and are smaller than their gestational age will not clog a toilet so keep flogging that bs while you are at it. Ghouls.

What do you know about her relationship with her mother? Nothing. You don’t know a thing.

She needs compassion. Not persecution or prosecution. Shame on you.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the forced-birthers are now clinging to the narrative that her wrongdoing was actually leaving the hospital …

This entire thread shows how divided people are and dogmatic about their beliefs. They can’t see nuance or consider another point of view. The pro lifers automatically assume she was in the wrong and the pro choices jump to the conclusion she didn’t do anything wrong at all and the event was just like their miscarriage. Really the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The lack of medical care is concerning and it’s also concerning someone found a foot stuck in her toilet.

Most likely she has severe mental health issues since she’s telling people there is a body in a bucket in her backyard.

Most sane people don’t refer to second trimester fetal remains as “a body”.

Did the hospital give her a body bag to put it in if she passed it at home?

What was otherwise available to her for placing what she thought were fetal remains in? A bucket seems as good a container as anything else. Would you have preferred a paper bag? A baking pan? A shoebox? Please enlighten us what women are supposed to do with the bloody remnants of a pregnancy. Because most of us don’t know. I flushed mine down the toilet.

Unborn babies have bodies, they are developing humans.



This baby was 21 weeks old when born, and survived. The baby in this case was a week older.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/family/story/miracle-baby-born-21-weeks-heads-home-hospital-74848084

This woman tried to flush her baby down the toilet, but the baby’s body was too big and he or she became stuck in the toilet. The police who investigated found the baby’s body stuck in the toilet. The mother has scooped blood and feces into the bucket so she hide the fact she had given birth.

The hospital had admitted her twice before and she signed herself out if the hospital against her doctor’s orders. They made sure she was aware she needed medical care and could likely die if she left. She left anyway.

You are exactly why people hate religious pro-lifers.

You’re ignorant and judgmental and you want to hurt women.

People don’t need to be religious to know that it’s wrong to leave a hospital two times when you are pregnant and bleeding and in pain, against doctor’s advice.

People don’t need to be religious to know that hiding a pregnancy to the extent you are in danger of dying is wrong. Medical issues are private and privacy is to be respected, but trying to keep a secret and being close to death is just unacceptable. In america, we don’t leave stillborn babies lying about in public or on trash heaps or in buckets in our yards. Having sympathy for very complicated situation is admirable but this woman is being a free pass as she disregarded doctors orders twice, tried to flush her baby down a toilet, presented herself as she was in the midst of a serious hemorrhage to get her hair done, etc She told a hardworking nurse who was caring for her she didn’t want her baby and left her dead baby outside in a bucket in her yard and the nurse did her freaking job and is being attacked.

I don’t know how religion is your focus here, but taking the advice of your doctors during a serious medical crisis has nothing to do with religion.

This woman hurt herself by her actions.

I take it we are now going to be allowing women to discard their babies in public on trash heaps like people do in India and it’s going to be considered pro-woman and helpful to women to do so. That’s right, just throw your baby outside somewhere and go get your hair done, and if you hemorrhage to death in a beauty salon well it’s just fine. Some wild animal or stray dog will wander by and eat your discarded dead baby because women have rights and it’s not a baby.

This. I am glad she’s being prosecuted. The way she treated her baby and her lack of respect for life is disgusting. Can you imagine your own baby dying and putting him or her in the toilet??

If you’re defending flushing a precious baby down the toilet you should do some soul searching to see how you got to a point where you think that behavior is okay.

What the hell is wrong with you ?

Shame on you your mother raised an idiot and a uncaring uneducated sociopath

How dare you judge her!
How dare you bring your garbage uneducated crap to this forum. I am tired of women judging other women when it’s none of their business none zero . You have no idea what she was going through
Go back to the hole you climbed out if your mother failed miserably

Do you not think that first responders are emotionally damaged when they have to take a dead baby out of a toilet? Do you imagine that when a coroner has to do an autopsy on a dead baby, it’s peaches and cream? Of course it’s their job, and they deal with very upsetting situations daily, but they too are affected by this woman’s actions. She didn’t need to do this. She chose to do this. Everyone suffers (first responders, her family, the nurses that tried to help her, her hairdresser who had to contact her mom to beg her to get her daughter help, etc) because this woman was committed to keeping a secret that could not be a secret. Women have a responsibility to themselves first and this woman would not even accept responsibility for her own life. The medical personnel being attacked and blamed saved her life. They tried countless times to do so and she disappeared on them. She told the nurse she didn’t want her baby.

Every woman who has been pregnant knows what she went through, especially if they lost a baby. The vast majority of women who experience pregnancy complications do not leave the hospital after being admitted for treatment, much less leave two times.

She cleaned her bathroom and showered after she plunged her baby down the pipes. Has anyone here plunged their dead baby down their toilet and then clogged their toilet with the baby’s body?

If yes, why?
If no, why not.

It was a fetus and who knows what state it was in or what that toilet bowl looked like. Look at you with more sympathy for professionals who are trained to deal with these things but none for the woman who went thru lit alone.

Many of us have miscarried over a toilet and then flushed. You’re just not listening to us tell you that over and over again.

So did your dead baby clog your toilet? Mine didn’t.

I live in a state where D&Cs are still legal so I didn’t have to flush my dead fetus. I received the medical care I needed because sadistic, religious a-holes didn’t block it.

Are the religious a-holes who made her leave the hospital in the room with you right now?

She left on her own after being admitted twice.

So what?

You really lack the ability to imagine other people’s lives. That is a deficit.