Woman charged with felony for having a stillbirth

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Her doctors knew she needed the abortion and approved it
The hospital was “working on it”
That doesn’t mean she was ever offered treatment.
But let’s see where this lands in court.
My guess is it won’t be good for the anti abortion activists.

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Anonymous wrote:Leaving AMA does not mean she was offered appropriate treatment.

But according to the coroner’s report she was. Her attorney will not respond answer the question, why did she sign herself out twice? Her attorney should tell the press why she left.

No that is NOT what the coroner’s report says. Stop making up fact. Numerous news reports detail that her medical care was blocked while the hospital ethics committee was debating. They did not offer her the medical standard of care, period.

That’s exactly what the coroner’s report says. Where did you see the information you are quoting?

The news reports, which are uncontradicted, are that on her second visit to the hospital, she was made to wait for 8 hours while the hospital debated her care. There is nothing in the coroner’s report or anywhere else that details the hospital actually approving an abortion for her, just that they forced her to wait. Saying “wait here while we debate if you can get treatment” is NOT offering treatment. Which in this case was an abortion.

The doctors and ethics committee made sure they had their ducks in a row, that’s expected. She was recommended to receive the standard of care and left twice before she could receive it. The hospital was making sure they did the right thing to treat her. How is that a problem?

A d and c was not the standard of cate for someone with a baby of her baby’s gestational age. If you don’t like the law that’s fine, but she was where she needed to be and her doctors were preparing to treat her based of best practices. The law wasn’t going to change magically and the reality was she needed to be treated in accordance to the law. The hospital was doing what it needed to do to provide her with the care she needed. No other hospital would have done anything differently. She won’t allow her attorney to explain why she left without receiving treatment.

The hospital wasn’t forcing her to wait; they were simply making sure what they were doing was legal under the law. They were and needed to document what was happening and their legal team was advising them.

If you want to change the law in Ohio go for it. But she made her own decision twice to leave and her doctors told her to not leave.

WTF A standard of care should be prioritizing the life of the person in danger, not her dying unborn fetus. Perhaps you're correct a D&C is not the proper standard of care at this stage in the 2nd trimester - it probably was a D&E that was recommended as the standard of care for someone in danger of infection.

Hospitals should be free to do the best course of action to ensure the safety of their patients. There shouldn't be a group of lawyers debating whether the hospital can do something that was perfectly legal and common before a poorly written, draconian new law came into place, simply out of fear of being sued. Can you imagine yourself bleeding and in pain and hearing, "just hang in there, love, we have to debate for 8 hours whether we can allow the doctors to perform the procedure that they recommend because we don't want the sheriff to come prosecute us, oh and meanwhile you might die" - you'd go insane if that were you or a loved one. There is NO REASON whatsoever to ban a doctor from performing a recommended D&E on a doomed pregnancy, other than ignorance.

She does NOT need to be prosecuted for this. Anyone with a brain and a heart would know that.

None of us know exactly what her state of mind was, but a LOT of us can imagine how we'd feel if we were bleeding, in pain, told we were miscarrying and then not given a clear indication after 8 hours of what the hospital would offer us.

Hospitals cost money. I've known people who refused to go to a hospital because of fear of being charged $$$ they didn't have. A lot of us can imagine something like that also was playing inside this patient's head. She is not wealthy and powerful. We all know that if she were the prosecutor wouldn't have come after her. That is a fact.

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Anonymous wrote:Leaving AMA does not mean she was offered appropriate treatment.

But according to the coroner’s report she was. Her attorney will not respond answer the question, why did she sign herself out twice? Her attorney should tell the press why she left.

No that is NOT what the coroner’s report says. Stop making up fact. Numerous news reports detail that her medical care was blocked while the hospital ethics committee was debating. They did not offer her the medical standard of care, period.

Treatment / Management

Management of patients with prelabor rupture of membranes is determined by gestational age.

Early term and term patients (37 0/7 weeks of gestation or more): proceed to delivery and Group B Streptococcus prophylaxis should be administered as indicated
Late Preterm (34 0/7- 36 6/7 weeks of gestation): same for early term and term
Preterm (24 0/7 – 33 6/7 weeks of gestation): expectant management, latency antibiotics, single course of corticosteroids, GBS prophylaxis as indicated
Less than 24 weeks of gestation: patient counseling, expectant management or induction of labor, antibiotics can be considered as early as 20 0/7 weeks of gestation, GBS prophylaxis/corticosteroids/tocolysis/magnesium sulfate are not recommended before viability

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK532888/#:~:text=The%20recommended%20regimen%20is%20intravenous,day%20course%20should%20be%20completed.


Less than 24 weeks of gestation: patient counseling, expectant management or induction of labor, antibiotics can be considered as early as 20 0/7 weeks of gestation, GBS prophylaxis/corticosteroids/tocolysis/magnesium sulfate are not recommended before viability

She was 21.5 weeks. The standard of care is induction of labor. She was offered the medical standard of care and refused it, twice.

NO she was NOT offered an induction. They made her wait while they debated it in the ethics committee.

So why did the doctors recommend it and tell her she shouldn’t leave?

Because at least one doctor wanted her to receive the treatment, and was hopeful that the ethics committee would decide in her favor. And maybe they would have, but she had already waited a long time. She waited 8 hours after the second time she came to the hospital, but the hospital had known that they'd needed to make this decision since her first admission the day before. They could have continued the conversation and been ready with a decision. That wait isn't OK.

But there are two different issues.

One is that the law led to this debate and a long wait for treatment.

The other is that after she delivered the fetus on the toilet, she was charged, and that's a whole other issue. Whether or not you agree with the law, or her decision to leave. She wasn't charged for leaving. She was charged for something entirely different, which shouldn't be illegal.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the forced-birthers are now clinging to the narrative that her wrongdoing was actually leaving the hospital …

This entire thread shows how divided people are and dogmatic about their beliefs. They can’t see nuance or consider another point of view. The pro lifers automatically assume she was in the wrong and the pro choices jump to the conclusion she didn’t do anything wrong at all and the event was just like their miscarriage. Really the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The lack of medical care is concerning and it’s also concerning someone found a foot stuck in her toilet.

Most likely she has severe mental health issues since she’s telling people there is a body in a bucket in her backyard.

Most sane people don’t refer to second trimester fetal remains as “a body”.

Did the hospital give her a body bag to put it in if she passed it at home?

What was otherwise available to her for placing what she thought were fetal remains in? A bucket seems as good a container as anything else. Would you have preferred a paper bag? A baking pan? A shoebox? Please enlighten us what women are supposed to do with the bloody remnants of a pregnancy. Because most of us don’t know. I flushed mine down the toilet.

Unborn babies have bodies, they are developing humans.



This baby was 21 weeks old when born, and survived. The baby in this case was a week older.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/family/story/miracle-baby-born-21-weeks-heads-home-hospital-74848084

This woman tried to flush her baby down the toilet, but the baby’s body was too big and he or she became stuck in the toilet. The police who investigated found the baby’s body stuck in the toilet. The mother has scooped blood and feces into the bucket so she hide the fact she had given birth.

The hospital had admitted her twice before and she signed herself out if the hospital against her doctor’s orders. They made sure she was aware she needed medical care and could likely die if she left. She left anyway.

Her baby was dead you idiot. She signed herself out because the hospital board was debating for hours and hours what to do with her while she waited. That baby wasn't going to live no matter what, you a-hole.

Yeah no crap, this woman left the hospital twice against the advice of her doctors. The doctors and hospital were figuring out the best way to treat this woman and give her medical care to save HER life, as we all know the baby was already dead, her checking herself out TWICE was insane. The doctors and hospitals don’t make the rules, but they have to follow them. Just like the nurse who was doing her job to the standard of her profession and to the laws enacted by the state and federal government. The doctors and hospitals were not neglecting her, they were simply trying to make sure she received the right treatment and they admitted her twice.
I have been admitted to the hospital for a late term miscarriage/stillbirth and the doctors performed my procedure the NEXT DAY. She waited 8 hours, ok? Unless she was in an emergency situation she would have to wait for her procedure to be scheduled and performed, she was hospitalized and being monitored until that was able to be scheduled.

The sheer idiocy exhibited in this thread by hysterical women makes me weep for the future. People who are keeping a life threatening medical issue secret from their families don’t usually do well. People who check themselves out of the hospital twice against doctor’s advice don’t usually do well. People who attack medical professionals (hint: a nurse who is your front line caregiver doing her job) usually are psychopaths/morons. People who are in the throes of a life threatening hemorrhage who do not go to the hospital and instead go get their hair done are probably going to hemorrhage to death because they are more invested in keeping a secret than saving their own lives. I hemorrhaged after my 4th child and it went from oh gosh this is weird what’s up to omg help me and being taken by ambulance to the hospital and admitted and undergoing life saving surgery. It’s unexplainable why this woman would repeatedly do things that threatened her OWN life. Notice I do not address the life of her baby, as her baby was dead and not an issue other than she told her nurse she didn’t want her baby and threw her baby out with a bucket of sh&t in her yard. (Really she used a plunger to push her own baby into the toilet pipes, wtf, leave the baby in the toilet bowl and CALL AN AMBULANCE. Don’t shower, put on makeup, and go bleed out in a chair in a beauty salon. The emts and people who come to help you will deal with the baby in the toilet bowl and take you to a hospital where your life will be saved.)

I look forward to the future of America where militant pro-abortion women will be checking themselves out of hospitals because they don’t like to have to wait for medical care because gasp people are also sick and their lives are in danger and doctors are working to save those people, too. Being admitted and under the care of a team of doctors won’t be sufficient. After miscarrying or giving birth to a dead baby, women will be throwing their dead babies about willy nilly screaming about their “rights” and bleeding out in Publix and when a nurse (on her 4th 12 hour shift (really 14-16 hours but who is counting lol)) does her job she will be doxxed online and fired and harassed by the lynch mob, it’s so special to treat professional women like that as they care for their patients, wtf is wrong with you people?

So you think she should go to jail? For what, not telling her mom she was pregnant?

I don’t know what should happen to this woman, but nobody else is at fault for her situation, she failed herself and her family by not taking responsibility for her own life. The death of her baby is tragic but not her fault whatsoever. She is not responsible for that tragedy. She is causing the people who tried repeatedly and succeeded eventually to save her life to be attacked and blamed for her neglect of her medical condition. That’s what people here are doing too. It’s unconscionable to blame the medical professionals for a situation they could not control because the patient was non-compliant to the point of allowing herself to almost die.

People aren’t blaming the doctors.

They are blaming the religious a-holes who prevented the doctors from doing their job.

People are blaming the doctors and people have posted comments here and other places online that:

-the doctors should be sued
-the hospital system should be sued
-the nurse who “told on her” (did her job) should be publicly named, fired, sued, harassed, etc.
-the medical professionals did not admit her, they left her sitting alone in an er in pain and bleeding for 8 hours (they did admit her twice)
- that this woman was “sent home” to pass her baby alone (she left)

You all have been blaming people who tried to do their jobs and take care of her, you all suck.

Ok. That nurse was horrible. She should be blamed.

But the rest were hampered by religious extremists.

The nurse was doing her job, she did her job, and did nothing wrong.

She absolutely did something wrong.

There was zero need to call the police.

She’s probably another religious freak who wants to persecute women for sadistic reasons.

She assumed the worst about Brittany because she was black and alone.

No. She did as state law required her to do. And she did as human decency required her to do, because babies aren’t legally or morally, publicly discarded in America. I am surprised that’s something you all think is ok, because I don’t ever recall that that was something civilized societies allow or approve of.

Maybe you all can change the laws so it’s legal to throw your dead babies over 20 weeks out in buckets instead of burying them or letting the hospital or coroner take care of them in a safe and responsible manner. I am sure it’s going to be a lovely state of affairs when people who think what this woman did was acceptable in regards to the body of her dead baby.

If you can’t describe the appropriate container to put the remains of a second trimester pregnancy loss into while you wait for someone to come dispose of them, then we have to assume you have no idea either.

You notify the hospital while you are receiving medical treatment (this woman was very ill and hemorrhaging and was likely septic because she refused medical treatment twice) and the coroner arranges to remove the baby from your home.

Does anyone here know what a coroner is?

Apparently it’s something none if you know of. Lucky you, doughnuts one and all.

Cor-o-nores have jobs that they get paid for (cash, maybe animal pelts where you live) to remove dead bodies from places where someone dies. Yes, a 20+ week gestational baby too. Sometimes they are dock-tors. (That’s someone who got a fancy education at a college! EXCITING RIGHT!?!!)

The cor-o-nore will help people take care of people who die. They have auto-mobiles (think horseless carriage) and magnifying glasses and side-kicks with names like Slow Bob and Jim-Jim who assist them in removing deceased individuals and send the state cap-it-tal fancy papers about the people who died. Sometimes the cut dead people open (ewww!) to see if someone killed them or see if they had a bad disease. They send fancy reports to the Cee Dee Cee (that’s way down yonder Atlanta way) sometimes too. Amazing, we are really getting somewhere in these here parts in these here modern times.

My mom died at home and my dad called me asking what do to. He was distraught and had no clue what to do. This is my ph.d. father who knows more about most things than anyone I know.

It's apparent you have zero sense of what other people think or go through, especially in distressing times. That is really a disadvantage in personal relationships. Get out of your bubble and go volunteer with real people to widen your knowledge of humanity.

People call 911 and their family members or loved ones, their neighbors, etc. The professionals arrive to deal with the situation and take care of medical and legal obligations, the neighbors/family members support the grief stricken person who found a deceased loved one.

I take it your dad didn’t stuff your mom into a closet and not tell anyone she had died and then proceed to go get a haircut, because that would have been very wrong. I am sorry for the death of your mom.

I do work with these issues and deal with people who have been affected by them, don’t need further education. Very crazy (and that’s not being crass, that’s the truth) things occur when people die and that’s exactly why we have a multi- layered system of professionals to deal. People don’t know how to deal because it’s not their job. People have jobs to deal with these situations legally and from a public health standpoint.

Pro abortion people see these procedures and professionals as impeding choice or “telling” on women to “get them in trouble.” It’s immature and legally ignorant to espouse such lines of thought, and some posters here are downright dangerous and delusional.

If my dad had done something like that I'd have recognized how traumatized he was and I certainly wouldn't have wanted him to be prosecuted for it.

I feel sorry for the people you work with because you clearly have difficulty understanding how people might react in different ways in a crisis.

Grief stricken people should not be in charge of situations where a loved one has died. People who experience death of a family member need to call 911. If the police had shown up a few days later and your dead mom was moved into a closet your dad would definitely have been questioned as to why he didn’t inform the authorities as soon as he found your mother’s deceased body. Most people don’t want to touch or move the dead body of a loved one unless they are involved in the death and trying to cover something up. That’s why a coroner has to investigate. People don’t try to handle a dead body because they are afraid of death and dead bodies, even if the body is a close family member. People who kill are an exception. They have already decided what they will do after they have killed and have planned to pose the body and scene to manipulate the authorities and get away with murder.

Guess what, a dead adult is not the same as a dead second trimester fetus that was dying for several days before it was expelled from a uterus. You might want to keep making that false equivalency, but you are in the minority of people who think it is.

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Anonymous wrote:Leaving AMA does not mean she was offered appropriate treatment.

But according to the coroner’s report she was. Her attorney will not respond answer the question, why did she sign herself out twice? Her attorney should tell the press why she left.

No that is NOT what the coroner’s report says. Stop making up fact. Numerous news reports detail that her medical care was blocked while the hospital ethics committee was debating. They did not offer her the medical standard of care, period.

That’s exactly what the coroner’s report says. Where did you see the information you are quoting?

The news reports, which are uncontradicted, are that on her second visit to the hospital, she was made to wait for 8 hours while the hospital debated her care. There is nothing in the coroner’s report or anywhere else that details the hospital actually approving an abortion for her, just that they forced her to wait. Saying “wait here while we debate if you can get treatment” is NOT offering treatment. Which in this case was an abortion.

Exactly.

She was blocked from appropriate medical treatment.

Getting paperwork done and having the hospital attorneys and doctors consult each other before performing the procedure is not blocking the treatment.

Please tell me how common it is for a patient to have to wait for 8 hours while an ethics committee debates them receiving the scientifically established appropriate treatment? If a man’s scrotum is crushed in an injury do we need lawyers to weigh in on what treatment he can receive or do we only care about letting the government have a say in medical care regarding a woman’s uterus?

A crushed scrotum would be considered a possible loss or irreparable damage of an organ. That is a different type of medical issue. Losing an organ is considered an emergency. This woman needed antibiotics, steroids, and fluids before surgery because she was sick in a different way than a person who was possibly going to lose an organ. It’s not the same thing and if you would like to become a doctor and treat patients in the ER or become a surgeon you would learn how things work in a hospital setting.

Tell that to the family of Savita Halappanavar.

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Anonymous wrote:Leaving AMA does not mean she was offered appropriate treatment.

But according to the coroner’s report she was. Her attorney will not respond answer the question, why did she sign herself out twice? Her attorney should tell the press why she left.

No that is NOT what the coroner’s report says. Stop making up fact. Numerous news reports detail that her medical care was blocked while the hospital ethics committee was debating. They did not offer her the medical standard of care, period.

That’s exactly what the coroner’s report says. Where did you see the information you are quoting?

The news reports, which are uncontradicted, are that on her second visit to the hospital, she was made to wait for 8 hours while the hospital debated her care. There is nothing in the coroner’s report or anywhere else that details the hospital actually approving an abortion for her, just that they forced her to wait. Saying “wait here while we debate if you can get treatment” is NOT offering treatment. Which in this case was an abortion.

Exactly.

She was blocked from appropriate medical treatment.

Getting paperwork done and having the hospital attorneys and doctors consult each other before performing the procedure is not blocking the treatment.

Please tell me how common it is for a patient to have to wait for 8 hours while an ethics committee debates them receiving the scientifically established appropriate treatment? If a man’s scrotum is crushed in an injury do we need lawyers to weigh in on what treatment he can receive or do we only care about letting the government have a say in medical care regarding a woman’s uterus?

A crushed scrotum would be considered a possible loss or irreparable damage of an organ. That is a different type of medical issue. Losing an organ is considered an emergency. This woman needed antibiotics, steroids, and fluids before surgery because she was sick in a different way than a person who was possibly going to lose an organ. It’s not the same thing and if you would like to become a doctor and treat patients in the ER or become a surgeon you would learn how things work in a hospital setting.

Sepsis from a uterine infection can be fatal. The medical team acknowledged that. Death is basically the loss of all organs, so saying that her organs weren't at risk is bizarre. The medical team has also said that the reason she was waiting for the procedure was that they were waiting for ethics review. You can't suddenly change that to they were waiting for fluids to be administered. The were waiting for ethics review.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has 1100 posts and exactly no one has said, and Ohio state law doesn’t say, what exactly she should have done with the fetal remains. Should she have bought a tiny coffin on her way home from the hospital which didn’t provide her with the standard of care for her situation?

B) The product of human conception of at least twenty weeks of gestation that suffers a fetal death occurring in Ohio shall not be interred, deposited in a vault or tomb, cremated, or otherwise disposed of by a funeral director or other person until a fetal death certificate or provisional death certificate has been filed with and a burial permit is issued by the local registrar of vital statistics of the registration district in which the fetal death occurs, or the body is found

https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3705.20

So sadly for you ghouls, babies have to be accounted for by laws. No throwing babies in a bucket and allowing them to be dragged off by raccoons or decay into a tiny skeleton.

The nurse did the correct thing. She followed the law, because she is a competent nurse, not some loon posting online about tiny coffins.

Do you think the hospital told her she would need to do all this if she delivered her dead fetus at home?

Who knows, she disappeared twice and didn’t care if she died at her hairdressers business. She didn’t care about herself and pushed her dead baby down a toilet with a plunger. She was non-compliant in every way and likely would have died if not for her hairdresser.

The hospital offered her lifesaving medical treatment twice and she ignored their advice, she is lucky to be alive and was more worried about hiding her pregnancy and hiding her dead baby than anything else in the world, including her own life.

They did not.

The doctors were blocked by the religious a-holes who get pleasure out of judging and persecuting women.

You’ve been debunked.

Can you provide a quote or a link that debunks this? Because everything I have read said that she left the hospital after being admitted but not treated because an ethics committee needed to meet. So instead of being treated, she was just waiting, albeit in a hospital bed.

Not to mention, that it's irrelevant, because the law allows people to leave the hospital AMA. That is not a crime, and so it's completely irrelevant to the question of whether she should have been arrested or charged.

Read the last few pages. All information is linked.

She left twice against medical advice. No religious or political reasons kept her from receiving treatment. She kept herself from being treated.

I said this in the beginning of the thread - what if she left AMA? No one cared. It’s irrelevant to them. Fortunately it’s 100% relevant to the case.

Her location is irrelevant because when she was at the hospital she was not offered proper medical care. Her doctors were blocked by laws pushed by religious people.

Religious a-holes are 100% to blame for her big receiving proper care.

Religious a-holes are also 100% responsible for this ridiculous persecution.

Find a new fetish. Stop judging and persecuting women for your own pleasure.

She was offered medical treatment twice during two hospitalizations.

Can someone show where the New York Times article states that doctors were BLOCKED from giving this woman medical treatment?

I’ve read the linked article twice and don’t see the word BLOCKED anywhere.

Show us the proof it’s written in the article.

Confirm she was offered "medical treatment" by tell us exactly what that medical treatment was that she was offered.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has 1100 posts and exactly no one has said, and Ohio state law doesn’t say, what exactly she should have done with the fetal remains. Should she have bought a tiny coffin on her way home from the hospital which didn’t provide her with the standard of care for her situation?

B) The product of human conception of at least twenty weeks of gestation that suffers a fetal death occurring in Ohio shall not be interred, deposited in a vault or tomb, cremated, or otherwise disposed of by a funeral director or other person until a fetal death certificate or provisional death certificate has been filed with and a burial permit is issued by the local registrar of vital statistics of the registration district in which the fetal death occurs, or the body is found

https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3705.20

So sadly for you ghouls, babies have to be accounted for by laws. No throwing babies in a bucket and allowing them to be dragged off by raccoons or decay into a tiny skeleton.

The nurse did the correct thing. She followed the law, because she is a competent nurse, not some loon posting online about tiny coffins.

Do you think the hospital told her she would need to do all this if she delivered her dead fetus at home?

Who knows, she disappeared twice and didn’t care if she died at her hairdressers business. She didn’t care about herself and pushed her dead baby down a toilet with a plunger. She was non-compliant in every way and likely would have died if not for her hairdresser.

The hospital offered her lifesaving medical treatment twice and she ignored their advice, she is lucky to be alive and was more worried about hiding her pregnancy and hiding her dead baby than anything else in the world, including her own life.

They did not.

The doctors were blocked by the religious a-holes who get pleasure out of judging and persecuting women.

You’ve been debunked.

Can you provide a quote or a link that debunks this? Because everything I have read said that she left the hospital after being admitted but not treated because an ethics committee needed to meet. So instead of being treated, she was just waiting, albeit in a hospital bed.

Not to mention, that it's irrelevant, because the law allows people to leave the hospital AMA. That is not a crime, and so it's completely irrelevant to the question of whether she should have been arrested or charged.

Read the last few pages. All information is linked.

She left twice against medical advice. No religious or political reasons kept her from receiving treatment. She kept herself from being treated.

I said this in the beginning of the thread - what if she left AMA? No one cared. It’s irrelevant to them. Fortunately it’s 100% relevant to the case.

Her location is irrelevant because when she was at the hospital she was not offered proper medical care. Her doctors were blocked by laws pushed by religious people.

Religious a-holes are 100% to blame for her big receiving proper care.

Religious a-holes are also 100% responsible for this ridiculous persecution.

Find a new fetish. Stop judging and persecuting women for your own pleasure.

She was offered medical treatment twice during two hospitalizations.

Can someone show where the New York Times article states that doctors were BLOCKED from giving this woman medical treatment?

I’ve read the linked article twice and don’t see the word BLOCKED anywhere.

Show us the proof it’s written in the article.

You’re being obtuse.

They would have treated her immediately if they didn’t have to call the ethics board to review the situation.

And they still didn’t treat her on her subsequent visit.

Religious a-holes prevented this woman from getting the care she needed. And they get sick pleasure out of judging her every action and persecuting her for all of it.

It’s disgusting beyond words. You people are truly vile.

🚨SHE LEFT OF HER OWN ACCORD TWICE, STINKY. SHE REFUSED MEDICAL TREATMENT.

WHAT MEDICAL TREATMENT DID SHE REFUSE? BE SPECIFIC.

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Anonymous wrote:Leaving AMA does not mean she was offered appropriate treatment.

But according to the coroner’s report she was. Her attorney will not respond answer the question, why did she sign herself out twice? Her attorney should tell the press why she left.

No that is NOT what the coroner’s report says. Stop making up fact. Numerous news reports detail that her medical care was blocked while the hospital ethics committee was debating. They did not offer her the medical standard of care, period.

That’s exactly what the coroner’s report says. Where did you see the information you are quoting?

The news reports, which are uncontradicted, are that on her second visit to the hospital, she was made to wait for 8 hours while the hospital debated her care. There is nothing in the coroner’s report or anywhere else that details the hospital actually approving an abortion for her, just that they forced her to wait. Saying “wait here while we debate if you can get treatment” is NOT offering treatment. Which in this case was an abortion.

Exactly.

She was blocked from appropriate medical treatment.

Getting paperwork done and having the hospital attorneys and doctors consult each other before performing the procedure is not blocking the treatment.

Please tell me how common it is for a patient to have to wait for 8 hours while an ethics committee debates them receiving the scientifically established appropriate treatment? If a man’s scrotum is crushed in an injury do we need lawyers to weigh in on what treatment he can receive or do we only care about letting the government have a say in medical care regarding a woman’s uterus?

A crushed scrotum would be considered a possible loss or irreparable damage of an organ. That is a different type of medical issue. Losing an organ is considered an emergency. This woman needed antibiotics, steroids, and fluids before surgery because she was sick in a different way than a person who was possibly going to lose an organ. It’s not the same thing and if you would like to become a doctor and treat patients in the ER or become a surgeon you would learn how things work in a hospital setting.

Post-partum hemorrhaging can definitely threaten a woman’s uterus. Many women have needed emergency hysterectomies in such scenarios.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has 1100 posts and exactly no one has said, and Ohio state law doesn’t say, what exactly she should have done with the fetal remains. Should she have bought a tiny coffin on her way home from the hospital which didn’t provide her with the standard of care for her situation?

B) The product of human conception of at least twenty weeks of gestation that suffers a fetal death occurring in Ohio shall not be interred, deposited in a vault or tomb, cremated, or otherwise disposed of by a funeral director or other person until a fetal death certificate or provisional death certificate has been filed with and a burial permit is issued by the local registrar of vital statistics of the registration district in which the fetal death occurs, or the body is found

https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3705.20

So sadly for you ghouls, babies have to be accounted for by laws. No throwing babies in a bucket and allowing them to be dragged off by raccoons or decay into a tiny skeleton.

The nurse did the correct thing. She followed the law, because she is a competent nurse, not some loon posting online about tiny coffins.

Do you think the hospital told her she would need to do all this if she delivered her dead fetus at home?

Who knows, she disappeared twice and didn’t care if she died at her hairdressers business. She didn’t care about herself and pushed her dead baby down a toilet with a plunger. She was non-compliant in every way and likely would have died if not for her hairdresser.

The hospital offered her lifesaving medical treatment twice and she ignored their advice, she is lucky to be alive and was more worried about hiding her pregnancy and hiding her dead baby than anything else in the world, including her own life.

They did not.

The doctors were blocked by the religious a-holes who get pleasure out of judging and persecuting women.

You’ve been debunked.

Can you provide a quote or a link that debunks this? Because everything I have read said that she left the hospital after being admitted but not treated because an ethics committee needed to meet. So instead of being treated, she was just waiting, albeit in a hospital bed.

Not to mention, that it's irrelevant, because the law allows people to leave the hospital AMA. That is not a crime, and so it's completely irrelevant to the question of whether she should have been arrested or charged.

Read the last few pages. All information is linked.

She left twice against medical advice. No religious or political reasons kept her from receiving treatment. She kept herself from being treated.

I said this in the beginning of the thread - what if she left AMA? No one cared. It’s irrelevant to them. Fortunately it’s 100% relevant to the case.

Her location is irrelevant because when she was at the hospital she was not offered proper medical care. Her doctors were blocked by laws pushed by religious people.

Religious a-holes are 100% to blame for her big receiving proper care.

Religious a-holes are also 100% responsible for this ridiculous persecution.

Find a new fetish. Stop judging and persecuting women for your own pleasure.

She was offered medical treatment twice during two hospitalizations.

Can someone show where the New York Times article states that doctors were BLOCKED from giving this woman medical treatment?

I’ve read the linked article twice and don’t see the word BLOCKED anywhere.

Show us the proof it’s written in the article.

Confirm she was offered "medical treatment" by tell us exactly what that medical treatment was that she was offered.

Less than 24 weeks of gestation: patient counseling, expectant management or induction of labor, antibiotics can be considered as early as 20 0/7 weeks of gestation, GBS prophylaxis/corticosteroids/tocolysis/magnesium sulfate are not recommended before viability

She was receiving counseling, IV medications, and her doctors were going to induce her. She was informed if the treatment plan and checked herself out to think about it, it has been reported.

If that's true that she knew they were going to induce her, then why, 24 hours later, was she waiting for an ethics committee to decide whether they were going to induce her?

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Anonymous wrote:I am pro-choice, but with that said, I think she was kind of in the wrong here.

It is apparent she did not want the baby, as she hid her pregnancy from everyone. I speculate she took some sort of abortive pill to rid the baby. So everyone here saying she was grieving in a different way is wrong. She was likely relieved that the baby aborted. She should have gone out of state to seek a professional much earlier in her pregnancy instead of trying to take matters into her own hands. I believe these scenarios are more common than known with the reversal of row vs wade.

Even if everything you said was true (unlikely) she did nothing that should be prosecuted. Not a damn thing.

And stop with the "she should have just done x, y, or z." What a privileged thing to say.

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This thread has gotten out of hand so I am going to lock it.