Woman charged with felony for having a stillbirth

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Anonymous wrote:Ladies if you vote Republican your daughters are screwed

Doesn’t matter if you are not pro choice still screwed

You daughters are not you their lives are headed to territory the US has never seen

While this thread is about our ablution laws you must think father than that we are at a very bad crossroad here

Republicans want women home barefoot and pregnant
Your daughters will no longer have careers yes wake up this is not a drill that is where we are headed
Your daughters will have no rights in a divorce
Your daughter will no longer own property and credit cards l
Your daughters will not be educated

Many of you have daughters going to college why ? Once those laws are changed and they will be your tuition monies wasted. Unless of course you want them educated to grab a husband which by the way won’t happen bec men are going to want subservient women

Red states have already begun changing laws for divorce. Missouri, Idaho Texas leading the way. Mo wants your daughters legally married at 12 that will pass in red states after 2924 election

You are reading this and thinking I am off my rocker insane none if these things can happen

Well guess what Mike Johnson and his cronies have written the plan.with Josh Hawley,s wife He is working with Tony Tinderholt out of Texas and Paxton. Look up good old Tony he’s a horrific human.

We can debate the abortion issue to death I’m pro choice all the way the new laws are horrible however if we don’t wake up and vote these men and women out of office we won’t suffer our daughters will


Good luck to everyone who is not a dumb ass supporting the Republican RW agenda

Ladies if your 34 year old daughter gets pregnant and hides her pregnancy and leaves the hospital twice after being admitted and then gives birth in your toilet at home and goes to get her hair done afterward while undergoing a life threatening hemorrhage and the beautician notices that the client in her chair is about to drop dead and rightly freaks out and has to intervene with the family to prevent an unnecessary death in her business and your daughter finally stays in the hospital (3rd try) and receives the life saving treatment she needed days ago but kept flaking and tells her nurse her baby is in a bucket of s$it and blood outside your home and the police investigate and find a dead baby large enough to clog your toilet, you are screwed. Not because of any law or religion, but your daughter has serious mental health issues you probably contributed to and your entire family needs therapy.

Good luck to families of 34 year old women who refuse to save their own lives.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the forced-birthers are now clinging to the narrative that her wrongdoing was actually leaving the hospital …

This entire thread shows how divided people are and dogmatic about their beliefs. They can’t see nuance or consider another point of view. The pro lifers automatically assume she was in the wrong and the pro choices jump to the conclusion she didn’t do anything wrong at all and the event was just like their miscarriage. Really the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The lack of medical care is concerning and it’s also concerning someone found a foot stuck in her toilet.

Most likely she has severe mental health issues since she’s telling people there is a body in a bucket in her backyard.

Most sane people don’t refer to second trimester fetal remains as “a body”.

Did the hospital give her a body bag to put it in if she passed it at home?

What was otherwise available to her for placing what she thought were fetal remains in? A bucket seems as good a container as anything else. Would you have preferred a paper bag? A baking pan? A shoebox? Please enlighten us what women are supposed to do with the bloody remnants of a pregnancy. Because most of us don’t know. I flushed mine down the toilet.

Unborn babies have bodies, they are developing humans.



This baby was 21 weeks old when born, and survived. The baby in this case was a week older.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/family/story/miracle-baby-born-21-weeks-heads-home-hospital-74848084

This woman tried to flush her baby down the toilet, but the baby’s body was too big and he or she became stuck in the toilet. The police who investigated found the baby’s body stuck in the toilet. The mother has scooped blood and feces into the bucket so she hide the fact she had given birth.

The hospital had admitted her twice before and she signed herself out if the hospital against her doctor’s orders. They made sure she was aware she needed medical care and could likely die if she left. She left anyway.

Her baby was dead you idiot. She signed herself out because the hospital board was debating for hours and hours what to do with her while she waited. That baby wasn't going to live no matter what, you a-hole.

Yeah no crap, this woman left the hospital twice against the advice of her doctors. The doctors and hospital were figuring out the best way to treat this woman and give her medical care to save HER life, as we all know the baby was already dead, her checking herself out TWICE was insane. The doctors and hospitals don’t make the rules, but they have to follow them. Just like the nurse who was doing her job to the standard of her profession and to the laws enacted by the state and federal government. The doctors and hospitals were not neglecting her, they were simply trying to make sure she received the right treatment and they admitted her twice.
I have been admitted to the hospital for a late term miscarriage/stillbirth and the doctors performed my procedure the NEXT DAY. She waited 8 hours, ok? Unless she was in an emergency situation she would have to wait for her procedure to be scheduled and performed, she was hospitalized and being monitored until that was able to be scheduled.

The sheer idiocy exhibited in this thread by hysterical women makes me weep for the future. People who are keeping a life threatening medical issue secret from their families don’t usually do well. People who check themselves out of the hospital twice against doctor’s advice don’t usually do well. People who attack medical professionals (hint: a nurse who is your front line caregiver doing her job) usually are psychopaths/morons. People who are in the throes of a life threatening hemorrhage who do not go to the hospital and instead go get their hair done are probably going to hemorrhage to death because they are more invested in keeping a secret than saving their own lives. I hemorrhaged after my 4th child and it went from oh gosh this is weird what’s up to omg help me and being taken by ambulance to the hospital and admitted and undergoing life saving surgery. It’s unexplainable why this woman would repeatedly do things that threatened her OWN life. Notice I do not address the life of her baby, as her baby was dead and not an issue other than she told her nurse she didn’t want her baby and threw her baby out with a bucket of sh&t in her yard. (Really she used a plunger to push her own baby into the toilet pipes, wtf, leave the baby in the toilet bowl and CALL AN AMBULANCE. Don’t shower, put on makeup, and go bleed out in a chair in a beauty salon. The emts and people who come to help you will deal with the baby in the toilet bowl and take you to a hospital where your life will be saved.)

I look forward to the future of America where militant pro-abortion women will be checking themselves out of hospitals because they don’t like to have to wait for medical care because gasp people are also sick and their lives are in danger and doctors are working to save those people, too. Being admitted and under the care of a team of doctors won’t be sufficient. After miscarrying or giving birth to a dead baby, women will be throwing their dead babies about willy nilly screaming about their “rights” and bleeding out in Publix and when a nurse (on her 4th 12 hour shift (really 14-16 hours but who is counting lol)) does her job she will be doxxed online and fired and harassed by the lynch mob, it’s so special to treat professional women like that as they care for their patients, wtf is wrong with you people?

So you think she should go to jail? For what, not telling her mom she was pregnant?

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the forced-birthers are now clinging to the narrative that her wrongdoing was actually leaving the hospital …

This entire thread shows how divided people are and dogmatic about their beliefs. They can’t see nuance or consider another point of view. The pro lifers automatically assume she was in the wrong and the pro choices jump to the conclusion she didn’t do anything wrong at all and the event was just like their miscarriage. Really the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The lack of medical care is concerning and it’s also concerning someone found a foot stuck in her toilet.

Most likely she has severe mental health issues since she’s telling people there is a body in a bucket in her backyard.

Most sane people don’t refer to second trimester fetal remains as “a body”.

Did the hospital give her a body bag to put it in if she passed it at home?

What was otherwise available to her for placing what she thought were fetal remains in? A bucket seems as good a container as anything else. Would you have preferred a paper bag? A baking pan? A shoebox? Please enlighten us what women are supposed to do with the bloody remnants of a pregnancy. Because most of us don’t know. I flushed mine down the toilet.

Unborn babies have bodies, they are developing humans.



This baby was 21 weeks old when born, and survived. The baby in this case was a week older.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/family/story/miracle-baby-born-21-weeks-heads-home-hospital-74848084

This woman tried to flush her baby down the toilet, but the baby’s body was too big and he or she became stuck in the toilet. The police who investigated found the baby’s body stuck in the toilet. The mother has scooped blood and feces into the bucket so she hide the fact she had given birth.

The hospital had admitted her twice before and she signed herself out if the hospital against her doctor’s orders. They made sure she was aware she needed medical care and could likely die if she left. She left anyway.

You are exactly why people hate religious pro-lifers.

You’re ignorant and judgmental and you want to hurt women.

People don’t need to be religious to know that it’s wrong to leave a hospital two times when you are pregnant and bleeding and in pain, against doctor’s advice.

People don’t need to be religious to know that hiding a pregnancy to the extent you are in danger of dying is wrong. Medical issues are private and privacy is to be respected, but trying to keep a secret and being close to death is just unacceptable. In america, we don’t leave stillborn babies lying about in public or on trash heaps or in buckets in our yards. Having sympathy for very complicated situation is admirable but this woman is being a free pass as she disregarded doctors orders twice, tried to flush her baby down a toilet, presented herself as she was in the midst of a serious hemorrhage to get her hair done, etc She told a hardworking nurse who was caring for her she didn’t want her baby and left her dead baby outside in a bucket in her yard and the nurse did her freaking job and is being attacked.

I don’t know how religion is your focus here, but taking the advice of your doctors during a serious medical crisis has nothing to do with religion.

This woman hurt herself by her actions.

I take it we are now going to be allowing women to discard their babies in public on trash heaps like people do in India and it’s going to be considered pro-woman and helpful to women to do so. That’s right, just throw your baby outside somewhere and go get your hair done, and if you hemorrhage to death in a beauty salon well it’s just fine. Some wild animal or stray dog will wander by and eat your discarded dead baby because women have rights and it’s not a baby.

This. I am glad she’s being prosecuted. The way she treated her baby and her lack of respect for life is disgusting. Can you imagine your own baby dying and putting him or her in the toilet??

If you’re defending flushing a precious baby down the toilet you should do some soul searching to see how you got to a point where you think that behavior is okay.

What the hell is wrong with you ?

Shame on you your mother raised an idiot and a uncaring uneducated sociopath

How dare you judge her!
How dare you bring your garbage uneducated crap to this forum. I am tired of women judging other women when it’s none of their business none zero . You have no idea what she was going through
Go back to the hole you climbed out if your mother failed miserably

Do you not think that first responders are emotionally damaged when they have to take a dead baby out of a toilet? Do you imagine that when a coroner has to do an autopsy on a dead baby, it’s peaches and cream? Of course it’s their job, and they deal with very upsetting situations daily, but they too are affected by this woman’s actions. She didn’t need to do this. She chose to do this. Everyone suffers (first responders, her family, the nurses that tried to help her, her hairdresser who had to contact her mom to beg her to get her daughter help, etc) because this woman was committed to keeping a secret that could not be a secret. Women have a responsibility to themselves first and this woman would not even accept responsibility for her own life. The medical personnel being attacked and blamed saved her life. They tried countless times to do so and she disappeared on them. She told the nurse she didn’t want her baby.

Every woman who has been pregnant knows what she went through, especially if they lost a baby. The vast majority of women who experience pregnancy complications do not leave the hospital after being admitted for treatment, much less leave two times.

She cleaned her bathroom and showered after she plunged her baby down the pipes. Has anyone here plunged their dead baby down their toilet and then clogged their toilet with the baby’s body?

If yes, why?
If no, why not.

It was a fetus and who knows what state it was in or what that toilet bowl looked like. Look at you with more sympathy for professionals who are trained to deal with these things but none for the woman who went thru lit alone.

Many of us have miscarried over a toilet and then flushed. You’re just not listening to us tell you that over and over again.

So did your dead baby clog your toilet? Mine didn’t.

I live in a state where D&Cs are still legal so I didn’t have to flush my dead fetus. I received the medical care I needed because sadistic, religious a-holes didn’t block it.

Are the religious a-holes who made her leave the hospital in the room with you right now?

She left on her own after being admitted twice.

So what?

You really lack the ability to imagine other people’s lives. That is a deficit.

So nobody here has clogged their toilet with their dead baby and almost died getting their hair done afterwards because some invisible religious people forced you to flee the hospital? No bloody sh*t buckets by your garage?

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the forced-birthers are now clinging to the narrative that her wrongdoing was actually leaving the hospital …

This entire thread shows how divided people are and dogmatic about their beliefs. They can’t see nuance or consider another point of view. The pro lifers automatically assume she was in the wrong and the pro choices jump to the conclusion she didn’t do anything wrong at all and the event was just like their miscarriage. Really the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The lack of medical care is concerning and it’s also concerning someone found a foot stuck in her toilet.

Most likely she has severe mental health issues since she’s telling people there is a body in a bucket in her backyard.

Most sane people don’t refer to second trimester fetal remains as “a body”.

Did the hospital give her a body bag to put it in if she passed it at home?

What was otherwise available to her for placing what she thought were fetal remains in? A bucket seems as good a container as anything else. Would you have preferred a paper bag? A baking pan? A shoebox? Please enlighten us what women are supposed to do with the bloody remnants of a pregnancy. Because most of us don’t know. I flushed mine down the toilet.

Unborn babies have bodies, they are developing humans.



This baby was 21 weeks old when born, and survived. The baby in this case was a week older.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/family/story/miracle-baby-born-21-weeks-heads-home-hospital-74848084

This woman tried to flush her baby down the toilet, but the baby’s body was too big and he or she became stuck in the toilet. The police who investigated found the baby’s body stuck in the toilet. The mother has scooped blood and feces into the bucket so she hide the fact she had given birth.

The hospital had admitted her twice before and she signed herself out if the hospital against her doctor’s orders. They made sure she was aware she needed medical care and could likely die if she left. She left anyway.

You are exactly why people hate religious pro-lifers.

You’re ignorant and judgmental and you want to hurt women.

People don’t need to be religious to know that it’s wrong to leave a hospital two times when you are pregnant and bleeding and in pain, against doctor’s advice.

People don’t need to be religious to know that hiding a pregnancy to the extent you are in danger of dying is wrong. Medical issues are private and privacy is to be respected, but trying to keep a secret and being close to death is just unacceptable. In america, we don’t leave stillborn babies lying about in public or on trash heaps or in buckets in our yards. Having sympathy for very complicated situation is admirable but this woman is being a free pass as she disregarded doctors orders twice, tried to flush her baby down a toilet, presented herself as she was in the midst of a serious hemorrhage to get her hair done, etc She told a hardworking nurse who was caring for her she didn’t want her baby and left her dead baby outside in a bucket in her yard and the nurse did her freaking job and is being attacked.

I don’t know how religion is your focus here, but taking the advice of your doctors during a serious medical crisis has nothing to do with religion.

This woman hurt herself by her actions.

I take it we are now going to be allowing women to discard their babies in public on trash heaps like people do in India and it’s going to be considered pro-woman and helpful to women to do so. That’s right, just throw your baby outside somewhere and go get your hair done, and if you hemorrhage to death in a beauty salon well it’s just fine. Some wild animal or stray dog will wander by and eat your discarded dead baby because women have rights and it’s not a baby.

This. I am glad she’s being prosecuted. The way she treated her baby and her lack of respect for life is disgusting. Can you imagine your own baby dying and putting him or her in the toilet??

If you’re defending flushing a precious baby down the toilet you should do some soul searching to see how you got to a point where you think that behavior is okay.

What the hell is wrong with you ?

Shame on you your mother raised an idiot and a uncaring uneducated sociopath

How dare you judge her!
How dare you bring your garbage uneducated crap to this forum. I am tired of women judging other women when it’s none of their business none zero . You have no idea what she was going through
Go back to the hole you climbed out if your mother failed miserably

Do you not think that first responders are emotionally damaged when they have to take a dead baby out of a toilet? Do you imagine that when a coroner has to do an autopsy on a dead baby, it’s peaches and cream? Of course it’s their job, and they deal with very upsetting situations daily, but they too are affected by this woman’s actions. She didn’t need to do this. She chose to do this. Everyone suffers (first responders, her family, the nurses that tried to help her, her hairdresser who had to contact her mom to beg her to get her daughter help, etc) because this woman was committed to keeping a secret that could not be a secret. Women have a responsibility to themselves first and this woman would not even accept responsibility for her own life. The medical personnel being attacked and blamed saved her life. They tried countless times to do so and she disappeared on them. She told the nurse she didn’t want her baby.

Every woman who has been pregnant knows what she went through, especially if they lost a baby. The vast majority of women who experience pregnancy complications do not leave the hospital after being admitted for treatment, much less leave two times.

She cleaned her bathroom and showered after she plunged her baby down the pipes. Has anyone here plunged their dead baby down their toilet and then clogged their toilet with the baby’s body?

If yes, why?
If no, why not.

It was a fetus and who knows what state it was in or what that toilet bowl looked like. Look at you with more sympathy for professionals who are trained to deal with these things but none for the woman who went thru lit alone.

Many of us have miscarried over a toilet and then flushed. You’re just not listening to us tell you that over and over again.

So did your dead baby clog your toilet? Mine didn’t.

It was a baby to you. To me it was a fetus. Who are you to judge someone else’s experience?

You think blathering on about a toilet being clogged makes your point. It does not.

You can’t even say what you think this woman should have done after miscarrying into a toilet. You’d condemn her no matter what she did with the fetal remains.

You really need to look inside yourself before being so keen to feel superior to someone who went through such an ordeal. Most of us who have had similar experiences came away with more sympathy for others not less. Why is it you became more rigid a human?

Sadistic religious a-holes get off on judging and persecuting women. PP finds sick pleasure in all of this.

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Anonymous wrote:Ladies if you vote Republican your daughters are screwed

Doesn’t matter if you are not pro choice still screwed

You daughters are not you their lives are headed to territory the US has never seen

While this thread is about our ablution laws you must think father than that we are at a very bad crossroad here

Republicans want women home barefoot and pregnant
Your daughters will no longer have careers yes wake up this is not a drill that is where we are headed
Your daughters will have no rights in a divorce
Your daughter will no longer own property and credit cards l
Your daughters will not be educated

Many of you have daughters going to college why ? Once those laws are changed and they will be your tuition monies wasted. Unless of course you want them educated to grab a husband which by the way won’t happen bec men are going to want subservient women

Red states have already begun changing laws for divorce. Missouri, Idaho Texas leading the way. Mo wants your daughters legally married at 12 that will pass in red states after 2924 election

You are reading this and thinking I am off my rocker insane none if these things can happen

Well guess what Mike Johnson and his cronies have written the plan.with Josh Hawley,s wife He is working with Tony Tinderholt out of Texas and Paxton. Look up good old Tony he’s a horrific human.

We can debate the abortion issue to death I’m pro choice all the way the new laws are horrible however if we don’t wake up and vote these men and women out of office we won’t suffer our daughters will


Good luck to everyone who is not a dumb ass supporting the Republican RW agenda

Ladies if your 34 year old daughter gets pregnant and hides her pregnancy and leaves the hospital twice after being admitted and then gives birth in your toilet at home and goes to get her hair done afterward while undergoing a life threatening hemorrhage and the beautician notices that the client in her chair is about to drop dead and rightly freaks out and has to intervene with the family to prevent an unnecessary death in her business and your daughter finally stays in the hospital (3rd try) and receives the life saving treatment she needed days ago but kept flaking and tells her nurse her baby is in a bucket of s$it and blood outside your home and the police investigate and find a dead baby large enough to clog your toilet, you are screwed. Not because of any law or religion, but your daughter has serious mental health issues you probably contributed to and your entire family needs therapy.

Good luck to families of 34 year old women who refuse to save their own lives.

Lots of families need therapy. Lots of humans need therapy. Is that supposed to make you feel superior?

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the forced-birthers are now clinging to the narrative that her wrongdoing was actually leaving the hospital …

This entire thread shows how divided people are and dogmatic about their beliefs. They can’t see nuance or consider another point of view. The pro lifers automatically assume she was in the wrong and the pro choices jump to the conclusion she didn’t do anything wrong at all and the event was just like their miscarriage. Really the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The lack of medical care is concerning and it’s also concerning someone found a foot stuck in her toilet.

Most likely she has severe mental health issues since she’s telling people there is a body in a bucket in her backyard.

Most sane people don’t refer to second trimester fetal remains as “a body”.

Did the hospital give her a body bag to put it in if she passed it at home?

What was otherwise available to her for placing what she thought were fetal remains in? A bucket seems as good a container as anything else. Would you have preferred a paper bag? A baking pan? A shoebox? Please enlighten us what women are supposed to do with the bloody remnants of a pregnancy. Because most of us don’t know. I flushed mine down the toilet.

Unborn babies have bodies, they are developing humans.



This baby was 21 weeks old when born, and survived. The baby in this case was a week older.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/family/story/miracle-baby-born-21-weeks-heads-home-hospital-74848084

This woman tried to flush her baby down the toilet, but the baby’s body was too big and he or she became stuck in the toilet. The police who investigated found the baby’s body stuck in the toilet. The mother has scooped blood and feces into the bucket so she hide the fact she had given birth.

The hospital had admitted her twice before and she signed herself out if the hospital against her doctor’s orders. They made sure she was aware she needed medical care and could likely die if she left. She left anyway.

You are exactly why people hate religious pro-lifers.

You’re ignorant and judgmental and you want to hurt women.

People don’t need to be religious to know that it’s wrong to leave a hospital two times when you are pregnant and bleeding and in pain, against doctor’s advice.

People don’t need to be religious to know that hiding a pregnancy to the extent you are in danger of dying is wrong. Medical issues are private and privacy is to be respected, but trying to keep a secret and being close to death is just unacceptable. In america, we don’t leave stillborn babies lying about in public or on trash heaps or in buckets in our yards. Having sympathy for very complicated situation is admirable but this woman is being a free pass as she disregarded doctors orders twice, tried to flush her baby down a toilet, presented herself as she was in the midst of a serious hemorrhage to get her hair done, etc She told a hardworking nurse who was caring for her she didn’t want her baby and left her dead baby outside in a bucket in her yard and the nurse did her freaking job and is being attacked.

I don’t know how religion is your focus here, but taking the advice of your doctors during a serious medical crisis has nothing to do with religion.

This woman hurt herself by her actions.

I take it we are now going to be allowing women to discard their babies in public on trash heaps like people do in India and it’s going to be considered pro-woman and helpful to women to do so. That’s right, just throw your baby outside somewhere and go get your hair done, and if you hemorrhage to death in a beauty salon well it’s just fine. Some wild animal or stray dog will wander by and eat your discarded dead baby because women have rights and it’s not a baby.

This. I am glad she’s being prosecuted. The way she treated her baby and her lack of respect for life is disgusting. Can you imagine your own baby dying and putting him or her in the toilet??

If you’re defending flushing a precious baby down the toilet you should do some soul searching to see how you got to a point where you think that behavior is okay.

What the hell is wrong with you ?

Shame on you your mother raised an idiot and a uncaring uneducated sociopath

How dare you judge her!
How dare you bring your garbage uneducated crap to this forum. I am tired of women judging other women when it’s none of their business none zero . You have no idea what she was going through
Go back to the hole you climbed out if your mother failed miserably

Do you not think that first responders are emotionally damaged when they have to take a dead baby out of a toilet? Do you imagine that when a coroner has to do an autopsy on a dead baby, it’s peaches and cream? Of course it’s their job, and they deal with very upsetting situations daily, but they too are affected by this woman’s actions. She didn’t need to do this. She chose to do this. Everyone suffers (first responders, her family, the nurses that tried to help her, her hairdresser who had to contact her mom to beg her to get her daughter help, etc) because this woman was committed to keeping a secret that could not be a secret. Women have a responsibility to themselves first and this woman would not even accept responsibility for her own life. The medical personnel being attacked and blamed saved her life. They tried countless times to do so and she disappeared on them. She told the nurse she didn’t want her baby.

Every woman who has been pregnant knows what she went through, especially if they lost a baby. The vast majority of women who experience pregnancy complications do not leave the hospital after being admitted for treatment, much less leave two times.

She cleaned her bathroom and showered after she plunged her baby down the pipes. Has anyone here plunged their dead baby down their toilet and then clogged their toilet with the baby’s body?

If yes, why?
If no, why not.

It was a fetus and who knows what state it was in or what that toilet bowl looked like. Look at you with more sympathy for professionals who are trained to deal with these things but none for the woman who went thru lit alone.

Many of us have miscarried over a toilet and then flushed. You’re just not listening to us tell you that over and over again.

So did your dead baby clog your toilet? Mine didn’t.

I live in a state where D&Cs are still legal so I didn’t have to flush my dead fetus. I received the medical care I needed because sadistic, religious a-holes didn’t block it.

Are the religious a-holes who made her leave the hospital in the room with you right now?

She left on her own after being admitted twice.

So what?

You really lack the ability to imagine other people’s lives. That is a deficit.

So nobody here has clogged their toilet with their dead baby and almost died getting their hair done afterwards because some invisible religious people forced you to flee the hospital? No bloody sh*t buckets by your garage?

Honey you would not believe what other people have experienced. Maybe get out of your shell. Or bubble. Have you considered volunteering at the fire department? You could benefit from seeing what other people’s lives are like.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for her. The last thing I’d want after giving birth (and a stillbirth at that) is to engage with any human, especially police officers. She must have been exhausted and emotionally distraught.

She went to an appointment with her hairdresser.

You've obviously never worked with victims of trauma before--or even done a basic google search on common trauma responses.

But besides all of that, I don't care if she left her home, hopped on a train and joined the Rockettes kickline at Radio City. It is insane to put a woman in jail for this alleged 'crime'.

“At one point, a physician advised Ms Watts that she should have her labour induced, a procedure that amounted to an abortion and would cause her to deliver the fetus but also put her at “significant risk” of death, according to those records obtained by the Associated Press.“

So the doctors at the hospital wanted to induce her and give her the abortion she needed, but she left the hospital.

Good lord you typed this out in the middle of your screed and don’t even seem to realize what you are saying.

Being induced for l&d which could put you at significant risk for death is NOT the same thing as getting a D&C which is fast and safer.

Are you this clueless about everything? Please share with us your near death experience giving birth or miscarrying

How is giving birth in a toilet, by yourself, safer?

A D&C is not giving birth in a toilet by yourself. Are you always this clueless?

I’m saying giving birth into a toilet isn’t safer than being in a hospital. She left AMA and birthed on her own. I’m asking how that’s safer. If the hospital was going to induce labor one would think that was far safer than doing it on your own.

If only they gave her that option.

Earlier that week, she was admitted twice to Mercy Health St. Joseph Warren Hospital when she experienced agonizing cramps and bleeding. (she was admitted to the hospital twice)

However, she left both times after waiting hours to see a doctor. (yes it takes time to see a doctor. The important thing was she was admitted to the hospital, in a hospital bed with medical professionals monitoring her condition. A doctor signed an order to have her admitted. The doctor who would be in charge of her treatment would be a different doctor. That’s how hospitals work. This woman was hiding her pregnancy from her family and couldn’t stay in a hospital because her family would ask where she was.)

Following the miscarriage, which she suffered at just over 22 weeks pregnant, Watts flushed the toilet.

When the toilet overflowed, she used a bucket to clean up. As she did not want anyone to know about the pregnancy, Watts then went to the salon for a hair appointment.

But the hairdresser was concerned and called her mother. Watts was taken to the hospital, where a nurse phoned 911.

According to transcripts, the nurse told a dispatcher that Watts was sent to the hospital earlier that week with bleeding and left ‘against medical advice.’

‘She came back in on Wednesday still bleeding and said, “Maybe I do need to be seen.” So we readmitted her and we were talking her through everything and she disappeared,’ the nurse said.

She said Watts admitted to placing the fetus in a bucket and putting it outside her home, and claimed that Watts told her she did not want the baby. ( Doctors couldn’t even treat her because she KEPT LEAVING. And now you all are attacking the medical system and people working in a high she refused treatment from?)

8 hours. She sat around for 8 hours while staff NOT her doctors dithered about whether she should get the safest treatment, a D&C.

Yes women hide pregnancies. This is a very human thing to do. This woman needs compassion. Not prosecution.

You are a terrible person.

Sitting around= admitted to the hospital, being monitored by medical professionals, big difference. Admitted to the hospital is not hanging out in the ER waiting room. There is a difference nobody here will admit to because it doesn’t fit their false narrative.

This woman hid her pregnancy and the life threatening complications. Her life was in danger. Her baby died. Instead of accepting the treatment that would save her life, she committed to hiding a no -viable pregnancy. Emotionally it is hard but if a person decides to put their own life in danger, how can anyone help them? It has nothing to do with religion or laws because nobody is judging this woman in a religious context and the hospital had admitted her for treatment.

You’re making up facts. She was sitting around in the hospital because Ohio denied her medical care. In any other civilized state or country she would have been immediately offered a d&c. It’s not even clear the hospital ethics panel ever approved her for a d&c anyway. This exact scenario (sitting around with a doomed pregnancy waiting for a medical emergency) has repeated in many states with strict abortion laws. Not sure why you believe something different happened here. BTW it’s also not clear that she got admitted vs sitting in the ER for hours.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the forced-birthers are now clinging to the narrative that her wrongdoing was actually leaving the hospital …

This entire thread shows how divided people are and dogmatic about their beliefs. They can’t see nuance or consider another point of view. The pro lifers automatically assume she was in the wrong and the pro choices jump to the conclusion she didn’t do anything wrong at all and the event was just like their miscarriage. Really the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The lack of medical care is concerning and it’s also concerning someone found a foot stuck in her toilet.

Most likely she has severe mental health issues since she’s telling people there is a body in a bucket in her backyard.

Most sane people don’t refer to second trimester fetal remains as “a body”.

Did the hospital give her a body bag to put it in if she passed it at home?

What was otherwise available to her for placing what she thought were fetal remains in? A bucket seems as good a container as anything else. Would you have preferred a paper bag? A baking pan? A shoebox? Please enlighten us what women are supposed to do with the bloody remnants of a pregnancy. Because most of us don’t know. I flushed mine down the toilet.

Unborn babies have bodies, they are developing humans.



This baby was 21 weeks old when born, and survived. The baby in this case was a week older.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/family/story/miracle-baby-born-21-weeks-heads-home-hospital-74848084

This woman tried to flush her baby down the toilet, but the baby’s body was too big and he or she became stuck in the toilet. The police who investigated found the baby’s body stuck in the toilet. The mother has scooped blood and feces into the bucket so she hide the fact she had given birth.

The hospital had admitted her twice before and she signed herself out if the hospital against her doctor’s orders. They made sure she was aware she needed medical care and could likely die if she left. She left anyway.

You are exactly why people hate religious pro-lifers.

You’re ignorant and judgmental and you want to hurt women.

People don’t need to be religious to know that it’s wrong to leave a hospital two times when you are pregnant and bleeding and in pain, against doctor’s advice.

People don’t need to be religious to know that hiding a pregnancy to the extent you are in danger of dying is wrong. Medical issues are private and privacy is to be respected, but trying to keep a secret and being close to death is just unacceptable. In america, we don’t leave stillborn babies lying about in public or on trash heaps or in buckets in our yards. Having sympathy for very complicated situation is admirable but this woman is being a free pass as she disregarded doctors orders twice, tried to flush her baby down a toilet, presented herself as she was in the midst of a serious hemorrhage to get her hair done, etc She told a hardworking nurse who was caring for her she didn’t want her baby and left her dead baby outside in a bucket in her yard and the nurse did her freaking job and is being attacked.

I don’t know how religion is your focus here, but taking the advice of your doctors during a serious medical crisis has nothing to do with religion.

This woman hurt herself by her actions.

I take it we are now going to be allowing women to discard their babies in public on trash heaps like people do in India and it’s going to be considered pro-woman and helpful to women to do so. That’s right, just throw your baby outside somewhere and go get your hair done, and if you hemorrhage to death in a beauty salon well it’s just fine. Some wild animal or stray dog will wander by and eat your discarded dead baby because women have rights and it’s not a baby.

This. I am glad she’s being prosecuted. The way she treated her baby and her lack of respect for life is disgusting. Can you imagine your own baby dying and putting him or her in the toilet??

If you’re defending flushing a precious baby down the toilet you should do some soul searching to see how you got to a point where you think that behavior is okay.

What the hell is wrong with you ?

Shame on you your mother raised an idiot and a uncaring uneducated sociopath

How dare you judge her!
How dare you bring your garbage uneducated crap to this forum. I am tired of women judging other women when it’s none of their business none zero . You have no idea what she was going through
Go back to the hole you climbed out if your mother failed miserably

Do you not think that first responders are emotionally damaged when they have to take a dead baby out of a toilet? Do you imagine that when a coroner has to do an autopsy on a dead baby, it’s peaches and cream? Of course it’s their job, and they deal with very upsetting situations daily, but they too are affected by this woman’s actions. She didn’t need to do this. She chose to do this. Everyone suffers (first responders, her family, the nurses that tried to help her, her hairdresser who had to contact her mom to beg her to get her daughter help, etc) because this woman was committed to keeping a secret that could not be a secret. Women have a responsibility to themselves first and this woman would not even accept responsibility for her own life. The medical personnel being attacked and blamed saved her life. They tried countless times to do so and she disappeared on them. She told the nurse she didn’t want her baby.

Every woman who has been pregnant knows what she went through, especially if they lost a baby. The vast majority of women who experience pregnancy complications do not leave the hospital after being admitted for treatment, much less leave two times.

She cleaned her bathroom and showered after she plunged her baby down the pipes. Has anyone here plunged their dead baby down their toilet and then clogged their toilet with the baby’s body?

If yes, why?
If no, why not.

It was a fetus and who knows what state it was in or what that toilet bowl looked like. Look at you with more sympathy for professionals who are trained to deal with these things but none for the woman who went thru lit alone.

Many of us have miscarried over a toilet and then flushed. You’re just not listening to us tell you that over and over again.

So did your dead baby clog your toilet? Mine didn’t.

I live in a state where D&Cs are still legal so I didn’t have to flush my dead fetus. I received the medical care I needed because sadistic, religious a-holes didn’t block it.

Are the religious a-holes who made her leave the hospital in the room with you right now?

She left on her own after being admitted twice.

So what?

You really lack the ability to imagine other people’s lives. That is a deficit.

So nobody here has clogged their toilet with their dead baby and almost died getting their hair done afterwards because some invisible religious people forced you to flee the hospital? No bloody sh*t buckets by your garage?

The religious a-holes blocked her doctors from providing appropriate medical care.

And then religious a-holes are persecuting her for not appropriately worshipping the fetus.

Kept your fetus worshipping religion to yourself FFS.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the forced-birthers are now clinging to the narrative that her wrongdoing was actually leaving the hospital …

This entire thread shows how divided people are and dogmatic about their beliefs. They can’t see nuance or consider another point of view. The pro lifers automatically assume she was in the wrong and the pro choices jump to the conclusion she didn’t do anything wrong at all and the event was just like their miscarriage. Really the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The lack of medical care is concerning and it’s also concerning someone found a foot stuck in her toilet.

Most likely she has severe mental health issues since she’s telling people there is a body in a bucket in her backyard.

Most sane people don’t refer to second trimester fetal remains as “a body”.

Did the hospital give her a body bag to put it in if she passed it at home?

What was otherwise available to her for placing what she thought were fetal remains in? A bucket seems as good a container as anything else. Would you have preferred a paper bag? A baking pan? A shoebox? Please enlighten us what women are supposed to do with the bloody remnants of a pregnancy. Because most of us don’t know. I flushed mine down the toilet.

Unborn babies have bodies, they are developing humans.



This baby was 21 weeks old when born, and survived. The baby in this case was a week older.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/family/story/miracle-baby-born-21-weeks-heads-home-hospital-74848084

This woman tried to flush her baby down the toilet, but the baby’s body was too big and he or she became stuck in the toilet. The police who investigated found the baby’s body stuck in the toilet. The mother has scooped blood and feces into the bucket so she hide the fact she had given birth.

The hospital had admitted her twice before and she signed herself out if the hospital against her doctor’s orders. They made sure she was aware she needed medical care and could likely die if she left. She left anyway.

Her baby was dead you idiot. She signed herself out because the hospital board was debating for hours and hours what to do with her while she waited. That baby wasn't going to live no matter what, you a-hole.

Yeah no crap, this woman left the hospital twice against the advice of her doctors. The doctors and hospital were figuring out the best way to treat this woman and give her medical care to save HER life, as we all know the baby was already dead, her checking herself out TWICE was insane. The doctors and hospitals don’t make the rules, but they have to follow them. Just like the nurse who was doing her job to the standard of her profession and to the laws enacted by the state and federal government. The doctors and hospitals were not neglecting her, they were simply trying to make sure she received the right treatment and they admitted her twice.
I have been admitted to the hospital for a late term miscarriage/stillbirth and the doctors performed my procedure the NEXT DAY. She waited 8 hours, ok? Unless she was in an emergency situation she would have to wait for her procedure to be scheduled and performed, she was hospitalized and being monitored until that was able to be scheduled.

The sheer idiocy exhibited in this thread by hysterical women makes me weep for the future. People who are keeping a life threatening medical issue secret from their families don’t usually do well. People who check themselves out of the hospital twice against doctor’s advice don’t usually do well. People who attack medical professionals (hint: a nurse who is your front line caregiver doing her job) usually are psychopaths/morons. People who are in the throes of a life threatening hemorrhage who do not go to the hospital and instead go get their hair done are probably going to hemorrhage to death because they are more invested in keeping a secret than saving their own lives. I hemorrhaged after my 4th child and it went from oh gosh this is weird what’s up to omg help me and being taken by ambulance to the hospital and admitted and undergoing life saving surgery. It’s unexplainable why this woman would repeatedly do things that threatened her OWN life. Notice I do not address the life of her baby, as her baby was dead and not an issue other than she told her nurse she didn’t want her baby and threw her baby out with a bucket of sh&t in her yard. (Really she used a plunger to push her own baby into the toilet pipes, wtf, leave the baby in the toilet bowl and CALL AN AMBULANCE. Don’t shower, put on makeup, and go bleed out in a chair in a beauty salon. The emts and people who come to help you will deal with the baby in the toilet bowl and take you to a hospital where your life will be saved.)

I look forward to the future of America where militant pro-abortion women will be checking themselves out of hospitals because they don’t like to have to wait for medical care because gasp people are also sick and their lives are in danger and doctors are working to save those people, too. Being admitted and under the care of a team of doctors won’t be sufficient. After miscarrying or giving birth to a dead baby, women will be throwing their dead babies about willy nilly screaming about their “rights” and bleeding out in Publix and when a nurse (on her 4th 12 hour shift (really 14-16 hours but who is counting lol)) does her job she will be doxxed online and fired and harassed by the lynch mob, it’s so special to treat professional women like that as they care for their patients, wtf is wrong with you people?

So you think she should go to jail? For what, not telling her mom she was pregnant?

I don’t know what should happen to this woman, but nobody else is at fault for her situation, she failed herself and her family by not taking responsibility for her own life. The death of her baby is tragic but not her fault whatsoever. She is not responsible for that tragedy. She is causing the people who tried repeatedly and succeeded eventually to save her life to be attacked and blamed for her neglect of her medical condition. That’s what people here are doing too. It’s unconscionable to blame the medical professionals for a situation they could not control because the patient was non-compliant to the point of allowing herself to almost die.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the forced-birthers are now clinging to the narrative that her wrongdoing was actually leaving the hospital …

This entire thread shows how divided people are and dogmatic about their beliefs. They can’t see nuance or consider another point of view. The pro lifers automatically assume she was in the wrong and the pro choices jump to the conclusion she didn’t do anything wrong at all and the event was just like their miscarriage. Really the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The lack of medical care is concerning and it’s also concerning someone found a foot stuck in her toilet.

Most likely she has severe mental health issues since she’s telling people there is a body in a bucket in her backyard.

Most sane people don’t refer to second trimester fetal remains as “a body”.

Did the hospital give her a body bag to put it in if she passed it at home?

What was otherwise available to her for placing what she thought were fetal remains in? A bucket seems as good a container as anything else. Would you have preferred a paper bag? A baking pan? A shoebox? Please enlighten us what women are supposed to do with the bloody remnants of a pregnancy. Because most of us don’t know. I flushed mine down the toilet.

Unborn babies have bodies, they are developing humans.



This baby was 21 weeks old when born, and survived. The baby in this case was a week older.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/family/story/miracle-baby-born-21-weeks-heads-home-hospital-74848084

This woman tried to flush her baby down the toilet, but the baby’s body was too big and he or she became stuck in the toilet. The police who investigated found the baby’s body stuck in the toilet. The mother has scooped blood and feces into the bucket so she hide the fact she had given birth.

The hospital had admitted her twice before and she signed herself out if the hospital against her doctor’s orders. They made sure she was aware she needed medical care and could likely die if she left. She left anyway.

You are exactly why people hate religious pro-lifers.

You’re ignorant and judgmental and you want to hurt women.

People don’t need to be religious to know that it’s wrong to leave a hospital two times when you are pregnant and bleeding and in pain, against doctor’s advice.

People don’t need to be religious to know that hiding a pregnancy to the extent you are in danger of dying is wrong. Medical issues are private and privacy is to be respected, but trying to keep a secret and being close to death is just unacceptable. In america, we don’t leave stillborn babies lying about in public or on trash heaps or in buckets in our yards. Having sympathy for very complicated situation is admirable but this woman is being a free pass as she disregarded doctors orders twice, tried to flush her baby down a toilet, presented herself as she was in the midst of a serious hemorrhage to get her hair done, etc She told a hardworking nurse who was caring for her she didn’t want her baby and left her dead baby outside in a bucket in her yard and the nurse did her freaking job and is being attacked.

I don’t know how religion is your focus here, but taking the advice of your doctors during a serious medical crisis has nothing to do with religion.

This woman hurt herself by her actions.

I take it we are now going to be allowing women to discard their babies in public on trash heaps like people do in India and it’s going to be considered pro-woman and helpful to women to do so. That’s right, just throw your baby outside somewhere and go get your hair done, and if you hemorrhage to death in a beauty salon well it’s just fine. Some wild animal or stray dog will wander by and eat your discarded dead baby because women have rights and it’s not a baby.

This. I am glad she’s being prosecuted. The way she treated her baby and her lack of respect for life is disgusting. Can you imagine your own baby dying and putting him or her in the toilet??

If you’re defending flushing a precious baby down the toilet you should do some soul searching to see how you got to a point where you think that behavior is okay.

What the hell is wrong with you ?

Shame on you your mother raised an idiot and a uncaring uneducated sociopath

How dare you judge her!
How dare you bring your garbage uneducated crap to this forum. I am tired of women judging other women when it’s none of their business none zero . You have no idea what she was going through
Go back to the hole you climbed out if your mother failed miserably

Do you not think that first responders are emotionally damaged when they have to take a dead baby out of a toilet? Do you imagine that when a coroner has to do an autopsy on a dead baby, it’s peaches and cream? Of course it’s their job, and they deal with very upsetting situations daily, but they too are affected by this woman’s actions. She didn’t need to do this. She chose to do this. Everyone suffers (first responders, her family, the nurses that tried to help her, her hairdresser who had to contact her mom to beg her to get her daughter help, etc) because this woman was committed to keeping a secret that could not be a secret. Women have a responsibility to themselves first and this woman would not even accept responsibility for her own life. The medical personnel being attacked and blamed saved her life. They tried countless times to do so and she disappeared on them. She told the nurse she didn’t want her baby.

Every woman who has been pregnant knows what she went through, especially if they lost a baby. The vast majority of women who experience pregnancy complications do not leave the hospital after being admitted for treatment, much less leave two times.

She cleaned her bathroom and showered after she plunged her baby down the pipes. Has anyone here plunged their dead baby down their toilet and then clogged their toilet with the baby’s body?

If yes, why?
If no, why not.

It was a fetus and who knows what state it was in or what that toilet bowl looked like. Look at you with more sympathy for professionals who are trained to deal with these things but none for the woman who went thru lit alone.

Many of us have miscarried over a toilet and then flushed. You’re just not listening to us tell you that over and over again.

So did your dead baby clog your toilet? Mine didn’t.

I live in a state where D&Cs are still legal so I didn’t have to flush my dead fetus. I received the medical care I needed because sadistic, religious a-holes didn’t block it.

Are the religious a-holes who made her leave the hospital in the room with you right now?

She left on her own after being admitted twice.

So what?

You really lack the ability to imagine other people’s lives. That is a deficit.

So nobody here has clogged their toilet with their dead baby and almost died getting their hair done afterwards because some invisible religious people forced you to flee the hospital? No bloody sh*t buckets by your garage?

The religious a-holes blocked her doctors from providing appropriate medical care.

And then religious a-holes are persecuting her for not appropriately worshipping the fetus.

Kept your fetus worshipping religion to yourself FFS.

Your repeated, repetitive comments are factually wrong and embarrassing.

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She went to an appointment with her hairdresser.

You've obviously never worked with victims of trauma before--or even done a basic google search on common trauma responses.

But besides all of that, I don't care if she left her home, hopped on a train and joined the Rockettes kickline at Radio City. It is insane to put a woman in jail for this alleged 'crime'.

“At one point, a physician advised Ms Watts that she should have her labour induced, a procedure that amounted to an abortion and would cause her to deliver the fetus but also put her at “significant risk” of death, according to those records obtained by the Associated Press.“

So the doctors at the hospital wanted to induce her and give her the abortion she needed, but she left the hospital.

Good lord you typed this out in the middle of your screed and don’t even seem to realize what you are saying.

Being induced for l&d which could put you at significant risk for death is NOT the same thing as getting a D&C which is fast and safer.

Are you this clueless about everything? Please share with us your near death experience giving birth or miscarrying

How is giving birth in a toilet, by yourself, safer?

A D&C is not giving birth in a toilet by yourself. Are you always this clueless?

I’m saying giving birth into a toilet isn’t safer than being in a hospital. She left AMA and birthed on her own. I’m asking how that’s safer. If the hospital was going to induce labor one would think that was far safer than doing it on your own.

If only they gave her that option.

Earlier that week, she was admitted twice to Mercy Health St. Joseph Warren Hospital when she experienced agonizing cramps and bleeding. (she was admitted to the hospital twice)

However, she left both times after waiting hours to see a doctor. (yes it takes time to see a doctor. The important thing was she was admitted to the hospital, in a hospital bed with medical professionals monitoring her condition. A doctor signed an order to have her admitted. The doctor who would be in charge of her treatment would be a different doctor. That’s how hospitals work. This woman was hiding her pregnancy from her family and couldn’t stay in a hospital because her family would ask where she was.)

Following the miscarriage, which she suffered at just over 22 weeks pregnant, Watts flushed the toilet.

When the toilet overflowed, she used a bucket to clean up. As she did not want anyone to know about the pregnancy, Watts then went to the salon for a hair appointment.

But the hairdresser was concerned and called her mother. Watts was taken to the hospital, where a nurse phoned 911.

According to transcripts, the nurse told a dispatcher that Watts was sent to the hospital earlier that week with bleeding and left ‘against medical advice.’

‘She came back in on Wednesday still bleeding and said, “Maybe I do need to be seen.” So we readmitted her and we were talking her through everything and she disappeared,’ the nurse said.

She said Watts admitted to placing the fetus in a bucket and putting it outside her home, and claimed that Watts told her she did not want the baby. ( Doctors couldn’t even treat her because she KEPT LEAVING. And now you all are attacking the medical system and people working in a high she refused treatment from?)

I’m attacking the religious a-holes who prevented the doctors from doing their job.

Keep your religion out of medical care. You are hurting women.

She didn’t receive medical care because she left against the advice of the doctors who were treating her. No religious issues prevented her from receiving treatment, her overwhelming desire to hide her pregnancy caused her to flee from medical treatment. Notice she presented for a hair appointment but refused medical treatment. If you can show up to get your hair done, you can show up to save your life. The person that stopped her from receiving medical treatment was herself.

8 hours is a long time to sit around not knowing what the hospital is going to Don

Stop with your judgy yammering about her hair appointment.

You really are callous. You might benefit from some empathy training.

8 hours is not a long time to be admitted and monitored before a course of treatment is decided upon. People pushing the narrative that she was languishing in an er waiting room bleeding and in pain are the same people who are pretending religious people somehow stopped her from receiving treatment when in reality she left the hospital twice and continued to hide her life threatening medical situation.

She is making bank off this situation while the medical personnel who tried repeatedly to treat her and eventually did save her life are being attacked and characterized falsely and impugned. What a bunch of a-holes posting here. No wonder there is a shortage of nurses, who wants to spend their lives being attacked and treated like crap and threatened with a law suit because you did your job instead of participating in some nut case’s game of keeping medically dangerous, life threatening secrets.

Leave the hospital and die as you get your hair done, just don’t blame doctors or nurses. Plunge your baby down a toilet, but don’t blame doctors because you left after they admitted you.

They weren’t helping her. They were torturing her by not scheduling the d&c.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the forced-birthers are now clinging to the narrative that her wrongdoing was actually leaving the hospital …

This entire thread shows how divided people are and dogmatic about their beliefs. They can’t see nuance or consider another point of view. The pro lifers automatically assume she was in the wrong and the pro choices jump to the conclusion she didn’t do anything wrong at all and the event was just like their miscarriage. Really the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The lack of medical care is concerning and it’s also concerning someone found a foot stuck in her toilet.

Most likely she has severe mental health issues since she’s telling people there is a body in a bucket in her backyard.

Most sane people don’t refer to second trimester fetal remains as “a body”.

Did the hospital give her a body bag to put it in if she passed it at home?

What was otherwise available to her for placing what she thought were fetal remains in? A bucket seems as good a container as anything else. Would you have preferred a paper bag? A baking pan? A shoebox? Please enlighten us what women are supposed to do with the bloody remnants of a pregnancy. Because most of us don’t know. I flushed mine down the toilet.

Unborn babies have bodies, they are developing humans.



This baby was 21 weeks old when born, and survived. The baby in this case was a week older.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/family/story/miracle-baby-born-21-weeks-heads-home-hospital-74848084

This woman tried to flush her baby down the toilet, but the baby’s body was too big and he or she became stuck in the toilet. The police who investigated found the baby’s body stuck in the toilet. The mother has scooped blood and feces into the bucket so she hide the fact she had given birth.

The hospital had admitted her twice before and she signed herself out if the hospital against her doctor’s orders. They made sure she was aware she needed medical care and could likely die if she left. She left anyway.

Her baby was dead you idiot. She signed herself out because the hospital board was debating for hours and hours what to do with her while she waited. That baby wasn't going to live no matter what, you a-hole.

Yeah no crap, this woman left the hospital twice against the advice of her doctors. The doctors and hospital were figuring out the best way to treat this woman and give her medical care to save HER life, as we all know the baby was already dead, her checking herself out TWICE was insane. The doctors and hospitals don’t make the rules, but they have to follow them. Just like the nurse who was doing her job to the standard of her profession and to the laws enacted by the state and federal government. The doctors and hospitals were not neglecting her, they were simply trying to make sure she received the right treatment and they admitted her twice.
I have been admitted to the hospital for a late term miscarriage/stillbirth and the doctors performed my procedure the NEXT DAY. She waited 8 hours, ok? Unless she was in an emergency situation she would have to wait for her procedure to be scheduled and performed, she was hospitalized and being monitored until that was able to be scheduled.

The sheer idiocy exhibited in this thread by hysterical women makes me weep for the future. People who are keeping a life threatening medical issue secret from their families don’t usually do well. People who check themselves out of the hospital twice against doctor’s advice don’t usually do well. People who attack medical professionals (hint: a nurse who is your front line caregiver doing her job) usually are psychopaths/morons. People who are in the throes of a life threatening hemorrhage who do not go to the hospital and instead go get their hair done are probably going to hemorrhage to death because they are more invested in keeping a secret than saving their own lives. I hemorrhaged after my 4th child and it went from oh gosh this is weird what’s up to omg help me and being taken by ambulance to the hospital and admitted and undergoing life saving surgery. It’s unexplainable why this woman would repeatedly do things that threatened her OWN life. Notice I do not address the life of her baby, as her baby was dead and not an issue other than she told her nurse she didn’t want her baby and threw her baby out with a bucket of sh&t in her yard. (Really she used a plunger to push her own baby into the toilet pipes, wtf, leave the baby in the toilet bowl and CALL AN AMBULANCE. Don’t shower, put on makeup, and go bleed out in a chair in a beauty salon. The emts and people who come to help you will deal with the baby in the toilet bowl and take you to a hospital where your life will be saved.)

I look forward to the future of America where militant pro-abortion women will be checking themselves out of hospitals because they don’t like to have to wait for medical care because gasp people are also sick and their lives are in danger and doctors are working to save those people, too. Being admitted and under the care of a team of doctors won’t be sufficient. After miscarrying or giving birth to a dead baby, women will be throwing their dead babies about willy nilly screaming about their “rights” and bleeding out in Publix and when a nurse (on her 4th 12 hour shift (really 14-16 hours but who is counting lol)) does her job she will be doxxed online and fired and harassed by the lynch mob, it’s so special to treat professional women like that as they care for their patients, wtf is wrong with you people?

So you think she should go to jail? For what, not telling her mom she was pregnant?

I don’t know what should happen to this woman, but nobody else is at fault for her situation, she failed herself and her family by not taking responsibility for her own life. The death of her baby is tragic but not her fault whatsoever. She is not responsible for that tragedy. She is causing the people who tried repeatedly and succeeded eventually to save her life to be attacked and blamed for her neglect of her medical condition. That’s what people here are doing too. It’s unconscionable to blame the medical professionals for a situation they could not control because the patient was non-compliant to the point of allowing herself to almost die.

People aren’t blaming the doctors.

They are blaming the religious a-holes who prevented the doctors from doing their job.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the forced-birthers are now clinging to the narrative that her wrongdoing was actually leaving the hospital …

This entire thread shows how divided people are and dogmatic about their beliefs. They can’t see nuance or consider another point of view. The pro lifers automatically assume she was in the wrong and the pro choices jump to the conclusion she didn’t do anything wrong at all and the event was just like their miscarriage. Really the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The lack of medical care is concerning and it’s also concerning someone found a foot stuck in her toilet.

Most likely she has severe mental health issues since she’s telling people there is a body in a bucket in her backyard.

Most sane people don’t refer to second trimester fetal remains as “a body”.

Did the hospital give her a body bag to put it in if she passed it at home?

What was otherwise available to her for placing what she thought were fetal remains in? A bucket seems as good a container as anything else. Would you have preferred a paper bag? A baking pan? A shoebox? Please enlighten us what women are supposed to do with the bloody remnants of a pregnancy. Because most of us don’t know. I flushed mine down the toilet.

Unborn babies have bodies, they are developing humans.



This baby was 21 weeks old when born, and survived. The baby in this case was a week older.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/family/story/miracle-baby-born-21-weeks-heads-home-hospital-74848084

This woman tried to flush her baby down the toilet, but the baby’s body was too big and he or she became stuck in the toilet. The police who investigated found the baby’s body stuck in the toilet. The mother has scooped blood and feces into the bucket so she hide the fact she had given birth.

The hospital had admitted her twice before and she signed herself out if the hospital against her doctor’s orders. They made sure she was aware she needed medical care and could likely die if she left. She left anyway.

You are exactly why people hate religious pro-lifers.

You’re ignorant and judgmental and you want to hurt women.

People don’t need to be religious to know that it’s wrong to leave a hospital two times when you are pregnant and bleeding and in pain, against doctor’s advice.

People don’t need to be religious to know that hiding a pregnancy to the extent you are in danger of dying is wrong. Medical issues are private and privacy is to be respected, but trying to keep a secret and being close to death is just unacceptable. In america, we don’t leave stillborn babies lying about in public or on trash heaps or in buckets in our yards. Having sympathy for very complicated situation is admirable but this woman is being a free pass as she disregarded doctors orders twice, tried to flush her baby down a toilet, presented herself as she was in the midst of a serious hemorrhage to get her hair done, etc She told a hardworking nurse who was caring for her she didn’t want her baby and left her dead baby outside in a bucket in her yard and the nurse did her freaking job and is being attacked.

I don’t know how religion is your focus here, but taking the advice of your doctors during a serious medical crisis has nothing to do with religion.

This woman hurt herself by her actions.

I take it we are now going to be allowing women to discard their babies in public on trash heaps like people do in India and it’s going to be considered pro-woman and helpful to women to do so. That’s right, just throw your baby outside somewhere and go get your hair done, and if you hemorrhage to death in a beauty salon well it’s just fine. Some wild animal or stray dog will wander by and eat your discarded dead baby because women have rights and it’s not a baby.

This. I am glad she’s being prosecuted. The way she treated her baby and her lack of respect for life is disgusting. Can you imagine your own baby dying and putting him or her in the toilet??

If you’re defending flushing a precious baby down the toilet you should do some soul searching to see how you got to a point where you think that behavior is okay.

What the hell is wrong with you ?

Shame on you your mother raised an idiot and a uncaring uneducated sociopath

How dare you judge her!
How dare you bring your garbage uneducated crap to this forum. I am tired of women judging other women when it’s none of their business none zero . You have no idea what she was going through
Go back to the hole you climbed out if your mother failed miserably

Do you not think that first responders are emotionally damaged when they have to take a dead baby out of a toilet? Do you imagine that when a coroner has to do an autopsy on a dead baby, it’s peaches and cream? Of course it’s their job, and they deal with very upsetting situations daily, but they too are affected by this woman’s actions. She didn’t need to do this. She chose to do this. Everyone suffers (first responders, her family, the nurses that tried to help her, her hairdresser who had to contact her mom to beg her to get her daughter help, etc) because this woman was committed to keeping a secret that could not be a secret. Women have a responsibility to themselves first and this woman would not even accept responsibility for her own life. The medical personnel being attacked and blamed saved her life. They tried countless times to do so and she disappeared on them. She told the nurse she didn’t want her baby.

Every woman who has been pregnant knows what she went through, especially if they lost a baby. The vast majority of women who experience pregnancy complications do not leave the hospital after being admitted for treatment, much less leave two times.

She cleaned her bathroom and showered after she plunged her baby down the pipes. Has anyone here plunged their dead baby down their toilet and then clogged their toilet with the baby’s body?

If yes, why?
If no, why not.

It was a fetus and who knows what state it was in or what that toilet bowl looked like. Look at you with more sympathy for professionals who are trained to deal with these things but none for the woman who went thru lit alone.

Many of us have miscarried over a toilet and then flushed. You’re just not listening to us tell you that over and over again.

So did your dead baby clog your toilet? Mine didn’t.

I live in a state where D&Cs are still legal so I didn’t have to flush my dead fetus. I received the medical care I needed because sadistic, religious a-holes didn’t block it.

Are the religious a-holes who made her leave the hospital in the room with you right now?

She left on her own after being admitted twice.

So what?

You really lack the ability to imagine other people’s lives. That is a deficit.

So nobody here has clogged their toilet with their dead baby and almost died getting their hair done afterwards because some invisible religious people forced you to flee the hospital? No bloody sh*t buckets by your garage?

The religious a-holes blocked her doctors from providing appropriate medical care.

And then religious a-holes are persecuting her for not appropriately worshipping the fetus.

Kept your fetus worshipping religion to yourself FFS.

Your repeated, repetitive comments are factually wrong and embarrassing.

Truth hurts.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the forced-birthers are now clinging to the narrative that her wrongdoing was actually leaving the hospital …

This entire thread shows how divided people are and dogmatic about their beliefs. They can’t see nuance or consider another point of view. The pro lifers automatically assume she was in the wrong and the pro choices jump to the conclusion she didn’t do anything wrong at all and the event was just like their miscarriage. Really the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The lack of medical care is concerning and it’s also concerning someone found a foot stuck in her toilet.

Most likely she has severe mental health issues since she’s telling people there is a body in a bucket in her backyard.

Most sane people don’t refer to second trimester fetal remains as “a body”.

Did the hospital give her a body bag to put it in if she passed it at home?

What was otherwise available to her for placing what she thought were fetal remains in? A bucket seems as good a container as anything else. Would you have preferred a paper bag? A baking pan? A shoebox? Please enlighten us what women are supposed to do with the bloody remnants of a pregnancy. Because most of us don’t know. I flushed mine down the toilet.

Unborn babies have bodies, they are developing humans.



This baby was 21 weeks old when born, and survived. The baby in this case was a week older.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/family/story/miracle-baby-born-21-weeks-heads-home-hospital-74848084

This woman tried to flush her baby down the toilet, but the baby’s body was too big and he or she became stuck in the toilet. The police who investigated found the baby’s body stuck in the toilet. The mother has scooped blood and feces into the bucket so she hide the fact she had given birth.

The hospital had admitted her twice before and she signed herself out if the hospital against her doctor’s orders. They made sure she was aware she needed medical care and could likely die if she left. She left anyway.

Her baby was dead you idiot. She signed herself out because the hospital board was debating for hours and hours what to do with her while she waited. That baby wasn't going to live no matter what, you a-hole.

Yeah no crap, this woman left the hospital twice against the advice of her doctors. The doctors and hospital were figuring out the best way to treat this woman and give her medical care to save HER life, as we all know the baby was already dead, her checking herself out TWICE was insane. The doctors and hospitals don’t make the rules, but they have to follow them. Just like the nurse who was doing her job to the standard of her profession and to the laws enacted by the state and federal government. The doctors and hospitals were not neglecting her, they were simply trying to make sure she received the right treatment and they admitted her twice.
I have been admitted to the hospital for a late term miscarriage/stillbirth and the doctors performed my procedure the NEXT DAY. She waited 8 hours, ok? Unless she was in an emergency situation she would have to wait for her procedure to be scheduled and performed, she was hospitalized and being monitored until that was able to be scheduled.

The sheer idiocy exhibited in this thread by hysterical women makes me weep for the future. People who are keeping a life threatening medical issue secret from their families don’t usually do well. People who check themselves out of the hospital twice against doctor’s advice don’t usually do well. People who attack medical professionals (hint: a nurse who is your front line caregiver doing her job) usually are psychopaths/morons. People who are in the throes of a life threatening hemorrhage who do not go to the hospital and instead go get their hair done are probably going to hemorrhage to death because they are more invested in keeping a secret than saving their own lives. I hemorrhaged after my 4th child and it went from oh gosh this is weird what’s up to omg help me and being taken by ambulance to the hospital and admitted and undergoing life saving surgery. It’s unexplainable why this woman would repeatedly do things that threatened her OWN life. Notice I do not address the life of her baby, as her baby was dead and not an issue other than she told her nurse she didn’t want her baby and threw her baby out with a bucket of sh&t in her yard. (Really she used a plunger to push her own baby into the toilet pipes, wtf, leave the baby in the toilet bowl and CALL AN AMBULANCE. Don’t shower, put on makeup, and go bleed out in a chair in a beauty salon. The emts and people who come to help you will deal with the baby in the toilet bowl and take you to a hospital where your life will be saved.)

I look forward to the future of America where militant pro-abortion women will be checking themselves out of hospitals because they don’t like to have to wait for medical care because gasp people are also sick and their lives are in danger and doctors are working to save those people, too. Being admitted and under the care of a team of doctors won’t be sufficient. After miscarrying or giving birth to a dead baby, women will be throwing their dead babies about willy nilly screaming about their “rights” and bleeding out in Publix and when a nurse (on her 4th 12 hour shift (really 14-16 hours but who is counting lol)) does her job she will be doxxed online and fired and harassed by the lynch mob, it’s so special to treat professional women like that as they care for their patients, wtf is wrong with you people?

So you think she should go to jail? For what, not telling her mom she was pregnant?

I don’t know what should happen to this woman, but nobody else is at fault for her situation, she failed herself and her family by not taking responsibility for her own life. The death of her baby is tragic but not her fault whatsoever. She is not responsible for that tragedy. She is causing the people who tried repeatedly and succeeded eventually to save her life to be attacked and blamed for her neglect of her medical condition. That’s what people here are doing too. It’s unconscionable to blame the medical professionals for a situation they could not control because the patient was non-compliant to the point of allowing herself to almost die.

People aren’t blaming the doctors.

They are blaming the religious a-holes who prevented the doctors from doing their job.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for her. The last thing I’d want after giving birth (and a stillbirth at that) is to engage with any human, especially police officers. She must have been exhausted and emotionally distraught.

She went to an appointment with her hairdresser.

You've obviously never worked with victims of trauma before--or even done a basic google search on common trauma responses.

But besides all of that, I don't care if she left her home, hopped on a train and joined the Rockettes kickline at Radio City. It is insane to put a woman in jail for this alleged 'crime'.

“At one point, a physician advised Ms Watts that she should have her labour induced, a procedure that amounted to an abortion and would cause her to deliver the fetus but also put her at “significant risk” of death, according to those records obtained by the Associated Press.“

So the doctors at the hospital wanted to induce her and give her the abortion she needed, but she left the hospital.

Good lord you typed this out in the middle of your screed and don’t even seem to realize what you are saying.

Being induced for l&d which could put you at significant risk for death is NOT the same thing as getting a D&C which is fast and safer.

Are you this clueless about everything? Please share with us your near death experience giving birth or miscarrying

How is giving birth in a toilet, by yourself, safer?

A D&C is not giving birth in a toilet by yourself. Are you always this clueless?

I’m saying giving birth into a toilet isn’t safer than being in a hospital. She left AMA and birthed on her own. I’m asking how that’s safer. If the hospital was going to induce labor one would think that was far safer than doing it on your own.

If only they gave her that option.

Earlier that week, she was admitted twice to Mercy Health St. Joseph Warren Hospital when she experienced agonizing cramps and bleeding. (she was admitted to the hospital twice)

However, she left both times after waiting hours to see a doctor. (yes it takes time to see a doctor. The important thing was she was admitted to the hospital, in a hospital bed with medical professionals monitoring her condition. A doctor signed an order to have her admitted. The doctor who would be in charge of her treatment would be a different doctor. That’s how hospitals work. This woman was hiding her pregnancy from her family and couldn’t stay in a hospital because her family would ask where she was.)

Following the miscarriage, which she suffered at just over 22 weeks pregnant, Watts flushed the toilet.

When the toilet overflowed, she used a bucket to clean up. As she did not want anyone to know about the pregnancy, Watts then went to the salon for a hair appointment.

But the hairdresser was concerned and called her mother. Watts was taken to the hospital, where a nurse phoned 911.

According to transcripts, the nurse told a dispatcher that Watts was sent to the hospital earlier that week with bleeding and left ‘against medical advice.’

‘She came back in on Wednesday still bleeding and said, “Maybe I do need to be seen.” So we readmitted her and we were talking her through everything and she disappeared,’ the nurse said.

She said Watts admitted to placing the fetus in a bucket and putting it outside her home, and claimed that Watts told her she did not want the baby. ( Doctors couldn’t even treat her because she KEPT LEAVING. And now you all are attacking the medical system and people working in a high she refused treatment from?)

8 hours. She sat around for 8 hours while staff NOT her doctors dithered about whether she should get the safest treatment, a D&C.

Yes women hide pregnancies. This is a very human thing to do. This woman needs compassion. Not prosecution.

You are a terrible person.

Sitting around= admitted to the hospital, being monitored by medical professionals, big difference. Admitted to the hospital is not hanging out in the ER waiting room. There is a difference nobody here will admit to because it doesn’t fit their false narrative.

This woman hid her pregnancy and the life threatening complications. Her life was in danger. Her baby died. Instead of accepting the treatment that would save her life, she committed to hiding a no -viable pregnancy. Emotionally it is hard but if a person decides to put their own life in danger, how can anyone help them? It has nothing to do with religion or laws because nobody is judging this woman in a religious context and the hospital had admitted her for treatment.

You’re making up facts. She was sitting around in the hospital because Ohio denied her medical care. In any other civilized state or country she would have been immediately offered a d&c. It’s not even clear the hospital ethics panel ever approved her for a d&c anyway. This exact scenario (sitting around with a doomed pregnancy waiting for a medical emergency) has repeated in many states with strict abortion laws. Not sure why you believe something different happened here. BTW it’s also not clear that she got admitted vs sitting in the ER for hours.

You are severely lacking in your knowledge of the facts of this case because this woman was ADMITTED TO THE SAME HOSPITAL TWICE AND LEFT THE SAME HOSPITAL TWICE AGAINST THE ADVICE OF THE DOCTORS AND STAFF WHO WERE ATTEMPTING TO SAVE HER LIFE.