Woman charged with felony for having a stillbirth

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for her. The last thing I’d want after giving birth (and a stillbirth at that) is to engage with any human, especially police officers. She must have been exhausted and emotionally distraught.

She went to an appointment with her hairdresser.

You've obviously never worked with victims of trauma before--or even done a basic google search on common trauma responses.

But besides all of that, I don't care if she left her home, hopped on a train and joined the Rockettes kickline at Radio City. It is insane to put a woman in jail for this alleged 'crime'.

“At one point, a physician advised Ms Watts that she should have her labour induced, a procedure that amounted to an abortion and would cause her to deliver the fetus but also put her at “significant risk” of death, according to those records obtained by the Associated Press.“

So the doctors at the hospital wanted to induce her and give her the abortion she needed, but she left the hospital.

Good lord you typed this out in the middle of your screed and don’t even seem to realize what you are saying.

Being induced for l&d which could put you at significant risk for death is NOT the same thing as getting a D&C which is fast and safer.

Are you this clueless about everything? Please share with us your near death experience giving birth or miscarrying

How is giving birth in a toilet, by yourself, safer?

A D&C is not giving birth in a toilet by yourself. Are you always this clueless?

I’m saying giving birth into a toilet isn’t safer than being in a hospital. She left AMA and birthed on her own. I’m asking how that’s safer. If the hospital was going to induce labor one would think that was far safer than doing it on your own.

If only they gave her that option.

Earlier that week, she was admitted twice to Mercy Health St. Joseph Warren Hospital when she experienced agonizing cramps and bleeding. (she was admitted to the hospital twice)

However, she left both times after waiting hours to see a doctor. (yes it takes time to see a doctor. The important thing was she was admitted to the hospital, in a hospital bed with medical professionals monitoring her condition. A doctor signed an order to have her admitted. The doctor who would be in charge of her treatment would be a different doctor. That’s how hospitals work. This woman was hiding her pregnancy from her family and couldn’t stay in a hospital because her family would ask where she was.)

Following the miscarriage, which she suffered at just over 22 weeks pregnant, Watts flushed the toilet.

When the toilet overflowed, she used a bucket to clean up. As she did not want anyone to know about the pregnancy, Watts then went to the salon for a hair appointment.

But the hairdresser was concerned and called her mother. Watts was taken to the hospital, where a nurse phoned 911.

According to transcripts, the nurse told a dispatcher that Watts was sent to the hospital earlier that week with bleeding and left ‘against medical advice.’

‘She came back in on Wednesday still bleeding and said, “Maybe I do need to be seen.” So we readmitted her and we were talking her through everything and she disappeared,’ the nurse said.

She said Watts admitted to placing the fetus in a bucket and putting it outside her home, and claimed that Watts told her she did not want the baby. ( Doctors couldn’t even treat her because she KEPT LEAVING. And now you all are attacking the medical system and people working in a high she refused treatment from?)

You don’t know what state the fetus was in. You don’t know what it looked like after it came out. Pregnancies are dated on a generalized idea that women ovulate 2 weeks after their period starts. You don’t know whether this woman conceived exactly at this point. Some of us have irregular periods and might conceive 3 or 4 weeks after our last period. Or even longer. You don’t know whether the fetus was growing slowly and measured behind. You don’t know how long this woman had even known she was pregnant.

Leave her alone you creep.

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I think folks should already know this but I’m case not: a baby/fetus that dies in utero and spends some time in the uterus before it’s stillborn does not look like a live-born preterm baby, especially not a live-born preterm baby that has been bathed and cleaned.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for her. The last thing I’d want after giving birth (and a stillbirth at that) is to engage with any human, especially police officers. She must have been exhausted and emotionally distraught.

She went to an appointment with her hairdresser.

You've obviously never worked with victims of trauma before--or even done a basic google search on common trauma responses.

But besides all of that, I don't care if she left her home, hopped on a train and joined the Rockettes kickline at Radio City. It is insane to put a woman in jail for this alleged 'crime'.

“At one point, a physician advised Ms Watts that she should have her labour induced, a procedure that amounted to an abortion and would cause her to deliver the fetus but also put her at “significant risk” of death, according to those records obtained by the Associated Press.“

So the doctors at the hospital wanted to induce her and give her the abortion she needed, but she left the hospital.

Good lord you typed this out in the middle of your screed and don’t even seem to realize what you are saying.

Being induced for l&d which could put you at significant risk for death is NOT the same thing as getting a D&C which is fast and safer.

Are you this clueless about everything? Please share with us your near death experience giving birth or miscarrying

How is giving birth in a toilet, by yourself, safer?

A D&C is not giving birth in a toilet by yourself. Are you always this clueless?

I’m saying giving birth into a toilet isn’t safer than being in a hospital. She left AMA and birthed on her own. I’m asking how that’s safer. If the hospital was going to induce labor one would think that was far safer than doing it on your own.

If only they gave her that option.

Earlier that week, she was admitted twice to Mercy Health St. Joseph Warren Hospital when she experienced agonizing cramps and bleeding. (she was admitted to the hospital twice)

However, she left both times after waiting hours to see a doctor. (yes it takes time to see a doctor. The important thing was she was admitted to the hospital, in a hospital bed with medical professionals monitoring her condition. A doctor signed an order to have her admitted. The doctor who would be in charge of her treatment would be a different doctor. That’s how hospitals work. This woman was hiding her pregnancy from her family and couldn’t stay in a hospital because her family would ask where she was.)

Following the miscarriage, which she suffered at just over 22 weeks pregnant, Watts flushed the toilet.

When the toilet overflowed, she used a bucket to clean up. As she did not want anyone to know about the pregnancy, Watts then went to the salon for a hair appointment.

But the hairdresser was concerned and called her mother. Watts was taken to the hospital, where a nurse phoned 911.

According to transcripts, the nurse told a dispatcher that Watts was sent to the hospital earlier that week with bleeding and left ‘against medical advice.’

‘She came back in on Wednesday still bleeding and said, “Maybe I do need to be seen.” So we readmitted her and we were talking her through everything and she disappeared,’ the nurse said.

She said Watts admitted to placing the fetus in a bucket and putting it outside her home, and claimed that Watts told her she did not want the baby. ( Doctors couldn’t even treat her because she KEPT LEAVING. And now you all are attacking the medical system and people working in a high she refused treatment from?)

I’m attacking the religious a-holes who prevented the doctors from doing their job.

Keep your religion out of medical care. You are hurting women.

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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]PP, you didn't see what the miscarried products of pregnancy of this woman looked like. You don't know exactly what gestational age it was (no, you do not) or when it stopped growing. The fetus wasn't cleaned up and put into a blanket by some medical professional, it was in a bowl of waste material and she took out what she thought was the fetus, though it turned out not to be. That doesn't indicate that there was some easily identifiable little human being in the gunk. You are making up lies about her. And she left after the hospital DID NOT GIVE HER A D&C. Why is it so hard for you people? Have you ever sat in a hospital er for 8 hours by yourself waiting to hear if the hospital is going to give you the treatment that your doctor says you need? Lots of people would leave in that situation, when it's unclear what is going to happen.

Some of us HAVE seen a fetus at 19-20 weeks as soon as it comes out and it's not for the faint of heart. The skin, the eyes, it can look like an alien, and can be especially disturbing all covered in blood and goo. It can be frightful and someone all alone faced with trying to figure out what to do with that, I make no judgment about.

You, however, I do judge for being so totally devoid of sympathy for a woman going through such a heart wrenching situation.
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Women aren’t pregnant with products, they are pregnant with their baby. The baby was large enough to not flush down a toilet and every new article states that the baby was approximately 22 weeks old. That’s what the media outlets are reporting.

The reason this woman was alone was because she left the hospital twice against doctor’s advice. She removed herself from the place she needed to be to get medical care.

I have seen stillborn babies and experienced a late term miscarriage, you have no idea what other people have experienced.

This woman was not sitting in an ER waiting room, she was in a hospital bed with an IV in her arm being monitored by medical professionals, and if she would have told her family she was pregnant and her life was in danger they could have been there with her and helped her. She refused to tell anyone. Something is wrong in her head. Don’t blather on about “trauma” because she was trying to keep a secret that almost killed her, and she is 34 years old. She is bearing down on 40 and her attorney called her a girl. [/quote]

This was not a late term loss. It was 2nd trimester.

Products of conception is a term used by medical professionals.

Sorry that your loss did not lead you to become a more compassionate and empathetic human being. For me that has been the one saving grace of grief.

There is no reason to persecute this woman for whatever she did that you perceive was bad judgment.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the forced-birthers are now clinging to the narrative that her wrongdoing was actually leaving the hospital …

This entire thread shows how divided people are and dogmatic about their beliefs. They can’t see nuance or consider another point of view. The pro lifers automatically assume she was in the wrong and the pro choices jump to the conclusion she didn’t do anything wrong at all and the event was just like their miscarriage. Really the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The lack of medical care is concerning and it’s also concerning someone found a foot stuck in her toilet.

Most likely she has severe mental health issues since she’s telling people there is a body in a bucket in her backyard.

Most sane people don’t refer to second trimester fetal remains as “a body”.

Did the hospital give her a body bag to put it in if she passed it at home?

What was otherwise available to her for placing what she thought were fetal remains in? A bucket seems as good a container as anything else. Would you have preferred a paper bag? A baking pan? A shoebox? Please enlighten us what women are supposed to do with the bloody remnants of a pregnancy. Because most of us don’t know. I flushed mine down the toilet.

Unborn babies have bodies, they are developing humans.



This baby was 21 weeks old when born, and survived. The baby in this case was a week older.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/family/story/miracle-baby-born-21-weeks-heads-home-hospital-74848084

This woman tried to flush her baby down the toilet, but the baby’s body was too big and he or she became stuck in the toilet. The police who investigated found the baby’s body stuck in the toilet. The mother has scooped blood and feces into the bucket so she hide the fact she had given birth.

The hospital had admitted her twice before and she signed herself out if the hospital against her doctor’s orders. They made sure she was aware she needed medical care and could likely die if she left. She left anyway.

You are exactly why people hate religious pro-lifers.

You’re ignorant and judgmental and you want to hurt women.

People don’t need to be religious to know that it’s wrong to leave a hospital two times when you are pregnant and bleeding and in pain, against doctor’s advice.

People don’t need to be religious to know that hiding a pregnancy to the extent you are in danger of dying is wrong. Medical issues are private and privacy is to be respected, but trying to keep a secret and being close to death is just unacceptable. In america, we don’t leave stillborn babies lying about in public or on trash heaps or in buckets in our yards. Having sympathy for very complicated situation is admirable but this woman is being a free pass as she disregarded doctors orders twice, tried to flush her baby down a toilet, presented herself as she was in the midst of a serious hemorrhage to get her hair done, etc She told a hardworking nurse who was caring for her she didn’t want her baby and left her dead baby outside in a bucket in her yard and the nurse did her freaking job and is being attacked.

I don’t know how religion is your focus here, but taking the advice of your doctors during a serious medical crisis has nothing to do with religion.

This woman hurt herself by her actions.

I take it we are now going to be allowing women to discard their babies in public on trash heaps like people do in India and it’s going to be considered pro-woman and helpful to women to do so. That’s right, just throw your baby outside somewhere and go get your hair done, and if you hemorrhage to death in a beauty salon well it’s just fine. Some wild animal or stray dog will wander by and eat your discarded dead baby because women have rights and it’s not a baby.

This. I am glad she’s being prosecuted. The way she treated her baby and her lack of respect for life is disgusting. Can you imagine your own baby dying and putting him or her in the toilet??

If you’re defending flushing a precious baby down the toilet you should do some soul searching to see how you got to a point where you think that behavior is okay.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for her. The last thing I’d want after giving birth (and a stillbirth at that) is to engage with any human, especially police officers. She must have been exhausted and emotionally distraught.

She went to an appointment with her hairdresser.

You've obviously never worked with victims of trauma before--or even done a basic google search on common trauma responses.

But besides all of that, I don't care if she left her home, hopped on a train and joined the Rockettes kickline at Radio City. It is insane to put a woman in jail for this alleged 'crime'.

“At one point, a physician advised Ms Watts that she should have her labour induced, a procedure that amounted to an abortion and would cause her to deliver the fetus but also put her at “significant risk” of death, according to those records obtained by the Associated Press.“

So the doctors at the hospital wanted to induce her and give her the abortion she needed, but she left the hospital.

Good lord you typed this out in the middle of your screed and don’t even seem to realize what you are saying.

Being induced for l&d which could put you at significant risk for death is NOT the same thing as getting a D&C which is fast and safer.

Are you this clueless about everything? Please share with us your near death experience giving birth or miscarrying

How is giving birth in a toilet, by yourself, safer?

A D&C is not giving birth in a toilet by yourself. Are you always this clueless?

I’m saying giving birth into a toilet isn’t safer than being in a hospital. She left AMA and birthed on her own. I’m asking how that’s safer. If the hospital was going to induce labor one would think that was far safer than doing it on your own.

If only they gave her that option.

Earlier that week, she was admitted twice to Mercy Health St. Joseph Warren Hospital when she experienced agonizing cramps and bleeding. (she was admitted to the hospital twice)

However, she left both times after waiting hours to see a doctor. (yes it takes time to see a doctor. The important thing was she was admitted to the hospital, in a hospital bed with medical professionals monitoring her condition. A doctor signed an order to have her admitted. The doctor who would be in charge of her treatment would be a different doctor. That’s how hospitals work. This woman was hiding her pregnancy from her family and couldn’t stay in a hospital because her family would ask where she was.)

Following the miscarriage, which she suffered at just over 22 weeks pregnant, Watts flushed the toilet.

When the toilet overflowed, she used a bucket to clean up. As she did not want anyone to know about the pregnancy, Watts then went to the salon for a hair appointment.

But the hairdresser was concerned and called her mother. Watts was taken to the hospital, where a nurse phoned 911.

According to transcripts, the nurse told a dispatcher that Watts was sent to the hospital earlier that week with bleeding and left ‘against medical advice.’

‘She came back in on Wednesday still bleeding and said, “Maybe I do need to be seen.” So we readmitted her and we were talking her through everything and she disappeared,’ the nurse said.

She said Watts admitted to placing the fetus in a bucket and putting it outside her home, and claimed that Watts told her she did not want the baby. ( Doctors couldn’t even treat her because she KEPT LEAVING. And now you all are attacking the medical system and people working in a high she refused treatment from?)

8 hours. She sat around for 8 hours while staff NOT her doctors dithered about whether she should get the safest treatment, a D&C.

Yes women hide pregnancies. This is a very human thing to do. This woman needs compassion. Not prosecution.

You are a terrible person.

Sitting around= admitted to the hospital, being monitored by medical professionals, big difference. Admitted to the hospital is not hanging out in the ER waiting room. There is a difference nobody here will admit to because it doesn’t fit their false narrative.

This woman hid her pregnancy and the life threatening complications. Her life was in danger. Her baby died. Instead of accepting the treatment that would save her life, she committed to hiding a no -viable pregnancy. Emotionally it is hard but if a person decides to put their own life in danger, how can anyone help them? It has nothing to do with religion or laws because nobody is judging this woman in a religious context and the hospital had admitted her for treatment.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the forced-birthers are now clinging to the narrative that her wrongdoing was actually leaving the hospital …

This entire thread shows how divided people are and dogmatic about their beliefs. They can’t see nuance or consider another point of view. The pro lifers automatically assume she was in the wrong and the pro choices jump to the conclusion she didn’t do anything wrong at all and the event was just like their miscarriage. Really the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The lack of medical care is concerning and it’s also concerning someone found a foot stuck in her toilet.

Most likely she has severe mental health issues since she’s telling people there is a body in a bucket in her backyard.

Most sane people don’t refer to second trimester fetal remains as “a body”.

Did the hospital give her a body bag to put it in if she passed it at home?

What was otherwise available to her for placing what she thought were fetal remains in? A bucket seems as good a container as anything else. Would you have preferred a paper bag? A baking pan? A shoebox? Please enlighten us what women are supposed to do with the bloody remnants of a pregnancy. Because most of us don’t know. I flushed mine down the toilet.

Unborn babies have bodies, they are developing humans.



This baby was 21 weeks old when born, and survived. The baby in this case was a week older.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/family/story/miracle-baby-born-21-weeks-heads-home-hospital-74848084

This woman tried to flush her baby down the toilet, but the baby’s body was too big and he or she became stuck in the toilet. The police who investigated found the baby’s body stuck in the toilet. The mother has scooped blood and feces into the bucket so she hide the fact she had given birth.

The hospital had admitted her twice before and she signed herself out if the hospital against her doctor’s orders. They made sure she was aware she needed medical care and could likely die if she left. She left anyway.

You are exactly why people hate religious pro-lifers.

You’re ignorant and judgmental and you want to hurt women.

People don’t need to be religious to know that it’s wrong to leave a hospital two times when you are pregnant and bleeding and in pain, against doctor’s advice.

People don’t need to be religious to know that hiding a pregnancy to the extent you are in danger of dying is wrong. Medical issues are private and privacy is to be respected, but trying to keep a secret and being close to death is just unacceptable. In america, we don’t leave stillborn babies lying about in public or on trash heaps or in buckets in our yards. Having sympathy for very complicated situation is admirable but this woman is being a free pass as she disregarded doctors orders twice, tried to flush her baby down a toilet, presented herself as she was in the midst of a serious hemorrhage to get her hair done, etc She told a hardworking nurse who was caring for her she didn’t want her baby and left her dead baby outside in a bucket in her yard and the nurse did her freaking job and is being attacked.

I don’t know how religion is your focus here, but taking the advice of your doctors during a serious medical crisis has nothing to do with religion.

This woman hurt herself by her actions.

I take it we are now going to be allowing women to discard their babies in public on trash heaps like people do in India and it’s going to be considered pro-woman and helpful to women to do so. That’s right, just throw your baby outside somewhere and go get your hair done, and if you hemorrhage to death in a beauty salon well it’s just fine. Some wild animal or stray dog will wander by and eat your discarded dead baby because women have rights and it’s not a baby.

This. I am glad she’s being prosecuted. The way she treated her baby and her lack of respect for life is disgusting. Can you imagine your own baby dying and putting him or her in the toilet??

If you’re defending flushing a precious baby down the toilet you should do some soul searching to see how you got to a point where you think that behavior is okay.

What the hell is wrong with you ?

Shame on you your mother raised an idiot and a uncaring uneducated sociopath

How dare you judge her!
How dare you bring your garbage uneducated crap to this forum. I am tired of women judging other women when it’s none of their business none zero . You have no idea what she was going through
Go back to the hole you climbed out if your mother failed miserably

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for her. The last thing I’d want after giving birth (and a stillbirth at that) is to engage with any human, especially police officers. She must have been exhausted and emotionally distraught.

She went to an appointment with her hairdresser.

You've obviously never worked with victims of trauma before--or even done a basic google search on common trauma responses.

But besides all of that, I don't care if she left her home, hopped on a train and joined the Rockettes kickline at Radio City. It is insane to put a woman in jail for this alleged 'crime'.

“At one point, a physician advised Ms Watts that she should have her labour induced, a procedure that amounted to an abortion and would cause her to deliver the fetus but also put her at “significant risk” of death, according to those records obtained by the Associated Press.“

So the doctors at the hospital wanted to induce her and give her the abortion she needed, but she left the hospital.

Good lord you typed this out in the middle of your screed and don’t even seem to realize what you are saying.

Being induced for l&d which could put you at significant risk for death is NOT the same thing as getting a D&C which is fast and safer.

Are you this clueless about everything? Please share with us your near death experience giving birth or miscarrying

How is giving birth in a toilet, by yourself, safer?

A D&C is not giving birth in a toilet by yourself. Are you always this clueless?

I’m saying giving birth into a toilet isn’t safer than being in a hospital. She left AMA and birthed on her own. I’m asking how that’s safer. If the hospital was going to induce labor one would think that was far safer than doing it on your own.

If only they gave her that option.

Earlier that week, she was admitted twice to Mercy Health St. Joseph Warren Hospital when she experienced agonizing cramps and bleeding. (she was admitted to the hospital twice)

However, she left both times after waiting hours to see a doctor. (yes it takes time to see a doctor. The important thing was she was admitted to the hospital, in a hospital bed with medical professionals monitoring her condition. A doctor signed an order to have her admitted. The doctor who would be in charge of her treatment would be a different doctor. That’s how hospitals work. This woman was hiding her pregnancy from her family and couldn’t stay in a hospital because her family would ask where she was.)

Following the miscarriage, which she suffered at just over 22 weeks pregnant, Watts flushed the toilet.

When the toilet overflowed, she used a bucket to clean up. As she did not want anyone to know about the pregnancy, Watts then went to the salon for a hair appointment.

But the hairdresser was concerned and called her mother. Watts was taken to the hospital, where a nurse phoned 911.

According to transcripts, the nurse told a dispatcher that Watts was sent to the hospital earlier that week with bleeding and left ‘against medical advice.’

‘She came back in on Wednesday still bleeding and said, “Maybe I do need to be seen.” So we readmitted her and we were talking her through everything and she disappeared,’ the nurse said.

She said Watts admitted to placing the fetus in a bucket and putting it outside her home, and claimed that Watts told her she did not want the baby. ( Doctors couldn’t even treat her because she KEPT LEAVING. And now you all are attacking the medical system and people working in a high she refused treatment from?)

I’m attacking the religious a-holes who prevented the doctors from doing their job.

Keep your religion out of medical care. You are hurting women.

She didn’t receive medical care because she left against the advice of the doctors who were treating her. No religious issues prevented her from receiving treatment, her overwhelming desire to hide her pregnancy caused her to flee from medical treatment. Notice she presented for a hair appointment but refused medical treatment. If you can show up to get your hair done, you can show up to save your life. The person that stopped her from receiving medical treatment was herself.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for her. The last thing I’d want after giving birth (and a stillbirth at that) is to engage with any human, especially police officers. She must have been exhausted and emotionally distraught.

She went to an appointment with her hairdresser.

You've obviously never worked with victims of trauma before--or even done a basic google search on common trauma responses.

But besides all of that, I don't care if she left her home, hopped on a train and joined the Rockettes kickline at Radio City. It is insane to put a woman in jail for this alleged 'crime'.

“At one point, a physician advised Ms Watts that she should have her labour induced, a procedure that amounted to an abortion and would cause her to deliver the fetus but also put her at “significant risk” of death, according to those records obtained by the Associated Press.“

So the doctors at the hospital wanted to induce her and give her the abortion she needed, but she left the hospital.

Good lord you typed this out in the middle of your screed and don’t even seem to realize what you are saying.

Being induced for l&d which could put you at significant risk for death is NOT the same thing as getting a D&C which is fast and safer.

Are you this clueless about everything? Please share with us your near death experience giving birth or miscarrying

How is giving birth in a toilet, by yourself, safer?

A D&C is not giving birth in a toilet by yourself. Are you always this clueless?

I’m saying giving birth into a toilet isn’t safer than being in a hospital. She left AMA and birthed on her own. I’m asking how that’s safer. If the hospital was going to induce labor one would think that was far safer than doing it on your own.

If only they gave her that option.

Earlier that week, she was admitted twice to Mercy Health St. Joseph Warren Hospital when she experienced agonizing cramps and bleeding. (she was admitted to the hospital twice)

However, she left both times after waiting hours to see a doctor. (yes it takes time to see a doctor. The important thing was she was admitted to the hospital, in a hospital bed with medical professionals monitoring her condition. A doctor signed an order to have her admitted. The doctor who would be in charge of her treatment would be a different doctor. That’s how hospitals work. This woman was hiding her pregnancy from her family and couldn’t stay in a hospital because her family would ask where she was.)

Following the miscarriage, which she suffered at just over 22 weeks pregnant, Watts flushed the toilet.

When the toilet overflowed, she used a bucket to clean up. As she did not want anyone to know about the pregnancy, Watts then went to the salon for a hair appointment.

But the hairdresser was concerned and called her mother. Watts was taken to the hospital, where a nurse phoned 911.

According to transcripts, the nurse told a dispatcher that Watts was sent to the hospital earlier that week with bleeding and left ‘against medical advice.’

‘She came back in on Wednesday still bleeding and said, “Maybe I do need to be seen.” So we readmitted her and we were talking her through everything and she disappeared,’ the nurse said.

She said Watts admitted to placing the fetus in a bucket and putting it outside her home, and claimed that Watts told her she did not want the baby. ( Doctors couldn’t even treat her because she KEPT LEAVING. And now you all are attacking the medical system and people working in a high she refused treatment from?)

8 hours. She sat around for 8 hours while staff NOT her doctors dithered about whether she should get the safest treatment, a D&C.

Yes women hide pregnancies. This is a very human thing to do. This woman needs compassion. Not prosecution.

You are a terrible person.

Sitting around= admitted to the hospital, being monitored by medical professionals, big difference. Admitted to the hospital is not hanging out in the ER waiting room. There is a difference nobody here will admit to because it doesn’t fit their false narrative.

This woman hid her pregnancy and the life threatening complications. Her life was in danger. Her baby died. Instead of accepting the treatment that would save her life, she committed to hiding a no -viable pregnancy. Emotionally it is hard but if a person decides to put their own life in danger, how can anyone help them? It has nothing to do with religion or laws because nobody is judging this woman in a religious context and the hospital had admitted her for treatment.

Going to the hospital 3 times doesn't fit with your "hiding" complications narrative, but ok. I assume you also don't know that at 20 some odd weeks doctors can't do anything to save your pregnancy. Induction of birth = death hence why the doctors wouldn't help her despite the fact that the out come without induction could be her death too.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for her. The last thing I’d want after giving birth (and a stillbirth at that) is to engage with any human, especially police officers. She must have been exhausted and emotionally distraught.

She went to an appointment with her hairdresser.

You've obviously never worked with victims of trauma before--or even done a basic google search on common trauma responses.

But besides all of that, I don't care if she left her home, hopped on a train and joined the Rockettes kickline at Radio City. It is insane to put a woman in jail for this alleged 'crime'.

The news article states she showered and put on makeup and went to get her hair done after plunging the toilet, which had feces and her dead child inside it. The baby apparently went into the pipes and she scooped as much of the feces and water as she could out into a bucket and put it outside. She had hidden the fact she was pregnant from her family, and made a conscious choice to hide the fact she had miscarried and the baby was dead. She was trying to hide everything from her family.

“After miscarrying into her toilet at home, Watts tried to scoop out the remains and left them near her garage outdoors. She cleaned her bathroom, showered, and went to a hair appointment to “maintain appearances” with her mother, who did not know about the pregnancy, the Post reported. But she didn’t look well, and the hairdresser called her mother and told her to take Watts to Mercy Health–St. Joseph Warren Hospital, a Catholic facility.


Police reports, recordings, medical records, and interviews obtained by the Post paint a revealing picture. “Advised by risk management to contact Warren City Police to investigate the possibility of the infant being in a bucket at the patient’s residence,” reads a hospital note signed by the nurse, who later called police. In a call recording, the same nurse says, “I had a mother who had a delivery at home and came in without the baby and she says the baby’s in her backyard in a bucket. I need to have someone go find this baby or direct me on what I need to do.” To the nurse, the nonviable fetus was an infant or a baby. The prosecuting attorney seems to agree. “The issue isn’t how the child died, when the child died — it’s the fact that the baby was put into a toilet, large enough to clog up a toilet, left in that toilet, and she went on [with] her day,” Lewis Guarnieri said in court.“

So are you all saying a 22 week old unborn baby is not a baby? The nurse was trying to provide medical care to her patient and protect her license. The nurse was doing what she should have done. No medical professional hears that a dead baby is somewhere and says “oh oopsie lol” and doesn’t tell anyone. You people are delusional, blaming the nurse for anything.

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A 22 week old fetus is not viable.

If born at a NICU, with the highest trained experts available to IMMEDIATELY wrap in plastic, insert lines and a breathing tube, and start compressions, and use all the mediations available -- not viable.

Under the best circumstances, the limits of viability are 23-24 weeks gestation. You know that, right? Or are you speaking from ignorance?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for her. The last thing I’d want after giving birth (and a stillbirth at that) is to engage with any human, especially police officers. She must have been exhausted and emotionally distraught.

She went to an appointment with her hairdresser.

You've obviously never worked with victims of trauma before--or even done a basic google search on common trauma responses.

But besides all of that, I don't care if she left her home, hopped on a train and joined the Rockettes kickline at Radio City. It is insane to put a woman in jail for this alleged 'crime'.

“At one point, a physician advised Ms Watts that she should have her labour induced, a procedure that amounted to an abortion and would cause her to deliver the fetus but also put her at “significant risk” of death, according to those records obtained by the Associated Press.“

So the doctors at the hospital wanted to induce her and give her the abortion she needed, but she left the hospital.

Good lord you typed this out in the middle of your screed and don’t even seem to realize what you are saying.

Being induced for l&d which could put you at significant risk for death is NOT the same thing as getting a D&C which is fast and safer.

Are you this clueless about everything? Please share with us your near death experience giving birth or miscarrying

How is giving birth in a toilet, by yourself, safer?

A D&C is not giving birth in a toilet by yourself. Are you always this clueless?

I’m saying giving birth into a toilet isn’t safer than being in a hospital. She left AMA and birthed on her own. I’m asking how that’s safer. If the hospital was going to induce labor one would think that was far safer than doing it on your own.

If only they gave her that option.

Earlier that week, she was admitted twice to Mercy Health St. Joseph Warren Hospital when she experienced agonizing cramps and bleeding. (she was admitted to the hospital twice)

However, she left both times after waiting hours to see a doctor. (yes it takes time to see a doctor. The important thing was she was admitted to the hospital, in a hospital bed with medical professionals monitoring her condition. A doctor signed an order to have her admitted. The doctor who would be in charge of her treatment would be a different doctor. That’s how hospitals work. This woman was hiding her pregnancy from her family and couldn’t stay in a hospital because her family would ask where she was.)

Following the miscarriage, which she suffered at just over 22 weeks pregnant, Watts flushed the toilet.

When the toilet overflowed, she used a bucket to clean up. As she did not want anyone to know about the pregnancy, Watts then went to the salon for a hair appointment.

But the hairdresser was concerned and called her mother. Watts was taken to the hospital, where a nurse phoned 911.

According to transcripts, the nurse told a dispatcher that Watts was sent to the hospital earlier that week with bleeding and left ‘against medical advice.’

‘She came back in on Wednesday still bleeding and said, “Maybe I do need to be seen.” So we readmitted her and we were talking her through everything and she disappeared,’ the nurse said.

She said Watts admitted to placing the fetus in a bucket and putting it outside her home, and claimed that Watts told her she did not want the baby. ( Doctors couldn’t even treat her because she KEPT LEAVING. And now you all are attacking the medical system and people working in a high she refused treatment from?)

I’m attacking the religious a-holes who prevented the doctors from doing their job.

Keep your religion out of medical care. You are hurting women.

She didn’t receive medical care because she left against the advice of the doctors who were treating her. No religious issues prevented her from receiving treatment, her overwhelming desire to hide her pregnancy caused her to flee from medical treatment. Notice she presented for a hair appointment but refused medical treatment. If you can show up to get your hair done, you can show up to save your life. The person that stopped her from receiving medical treatment was herself.

So much gaslighting.

No. Religious a-holes prevented her doctors from providing her appropriate medical care.

And religious a-holes continue to persecute her because they are ignorant, judgmental jerks.

I think some of you get off on the suffering of women. Go to hell.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for her. The last thing I’d want after giving birth (and a stillbirth at that) is to engage with any human, especially police officers. She must have been exhausted and emotionally distraught.

She went to an appointment with her hairdresser.

You've obviously never worked with victims of trauma before--or even done a basic google search on common trauma responses.

But besides all of that, I don't care if she left her home, hopped on a train and joined the Rockettes kickline at Radio City. It is insane to put a woman in jail for this alleged 'crime'.

“At one point, a physician advised Ms Watts that she should have her labour induced, a procedure that amounted to an abortion and would cause her to deliver the fetus but also put her at “significant risk” of death, according to those records obtained by the Associated Press.“

So the doctors at the hospital wanted to induce her and give her the abortion she needed, but she left the hospital.

Good lord you typed this out in the middle of your screed and don’t even seem to realize what you are saying.

Being induced for l&d which could put you at significant risk for death is NOT the same thing as getting a D&C which is fast and safer.

Are you this clueless about everything? Please share with us your near death experience giving birth or miscarrying

How is giving birth in a toilet, by yourself, safer?

A D&C is not giving birth in a toilet by yourself. Are you always this clueless?

I’m saying giving birth into a toilet isn’t safer than being in a hospital. She left AMA and birthed on her own. I’m asking how that’s safer. If the hospital was going to induce labor one would think that was far safer than doing it on your own.

If only they gave her that option.

Earlier that week, she was admitted twice to Mercy Health St. Joseph Warren Hospital when she experienced agonizing cramps and bleeding. (she was admitted to the hospital twice)

However, she left both times after waiting hours to see a doctor. (yes it takes time to see a doctor. The important thing was she was admitted to the hospital, in a hospital bed with medical professionals monitoring her condition. A doctor signed an order to have her admitted. The doctor who would be in charge of her treatment would be a different doctor. That’s how hospitals work. This woman was hiding her pregnancy from her family and couldn’t stay in a hospital because her family would ask where she was.)

Following the miscarriage, which she suffered at just over 22 weeks pregnant, Watts flushed the toilet.

When the toilet overflowed, she used a bucket to clean up. As she did not want anyone to know about the pregnancy, Watts then went to the salon for a hair appointment.

But the hairdresser was concerned and called her mother. Watts was taken to the hospital, where a nurse phoned 911.

According to transcripts, the nurse told a dispatcher that Watts was sent to the hospital earlier that week with bleeding and left ‘against medical advice.’

‘She came back in on Wednesday still bleeding and said, “Maybe I do need to be seen.” So we readmitted her and we were talking her through everything and she disappeared,’ the nurse said.

She said Watts admitted to placing the fetus in a bucket and putting it outside her home, and claimed that Watts told her she did not want the baby. ( Doctors couldn’t even treat her because she KEPT LEAVING. And now you all are attacking the medical system and people working in a high she refused treatment from?)

8 hours. She sat around for 8 hours while staff NOT her doctors dithered about whether she should get the safest treatment, a D&C.

Yes women hide pregnancies. This is a very human thing to do. This woman needs compassion. Not prosecution.

You are a terrible person.

Sitting around= admitted to the hospital, being monitored by medical professionals, big difference. Admitted to the hospital is not hanging out in the ER waiting room. There is a difference nobody here will admit to because it doesn’t fit their false narrative.

This woman hid her pregnancy and the life threatening complications. Her life was in danger. Her baby died. Instead of accepting the treatment that would save her life, she committed to hiding a no -viable pregnancy. Emotionally it is hard but if a person decides to put their own life in danger, how can anyone help them? It has nothing to do with religion or laws because nobody is judging this woman in a religious context and the hospital had admitted her for treatment.

She couldn’t accept the treatment that would save her life — a D&C — because the hospital wouldn’t offer it to her.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for her. The last thing I’d want after giving birth (and a stillbirth at that) is to engage with any human, especially police officers. She must have been exhausted and emotionally distraught.

She went to an appointment with her hairdresser.

You've obviously never worked with victims of trauma before--or even done a basic google search on common trauma responses.

But besides all of that, I don't care if she left her home, hopped on a train and joined the Rockettes kickline at Radio City. It is insane to put a woman in jail for this alleged 'crime'.

The news article states she showered and put on makeup and went to get her hair done after plunging the toilet, which had feces and her dead child inside it. The baby apparently went into the pipes and she scooped as much of the feces and water as she could out into a bucket and put it outside. She had hidden the fact she was pregnant from her family, and made a conscious choice to hide the fact she had miscarried and the baby was dead. She was trying to hide everything from her family.

“After miscarrying into her toilet at home, Watts tried to scoop out the remains and left them near her garage outdoors. She cleaned her bathroom, showered, and went to a hair appointment to “maintain appearances” with her mother, who did not know about the pregnancy, the Post reported. But she didn’t look well, and the hairdresser called her mother and told her to take Watts to Mercy Health–St. Joseph Warren Hospital, a Catholic facility.


Police reports, recordings, medical records, and interviews obtained by the Post paint a revealing picture. “Advised by risk management to contact Warren City Police to investigate the possibility of the infant being in a bucket at the patient’s residence,” reads a hospital note signed by the nurse, who later called police. In a call recording, the same nurse says, “I had a mother who had a delivery at home and came in without the baby and she says the baby’s in her backyard in a bucket. I need to have someone go find this baby or direct me on what I need to do.” To the nurse, the nonviable fetus was an infant or a baby. The prosecuting attorney seems to agree. “The issue isn’t how the child died, when the child died — it’s the fact that the baby was put into a toilet, large enough to clog up a toilet, left in that toilet, and she went on [with] her day,” Lewis Guarnieri said in court.“

So are you all saying a 22 week old unborn baby is not a baby? The nurse was trying to provide medical care to her patient and protect her license. The nurse was doing what she should have done. No medical professional hears that a dead baby is somewhere and says “oh oopsie lol” and doesn’t tell anyone. You people are delusional, blaming the nurse for anything.

“However, “Brittany Watts signed herself out of the hospital against medical advice on 9/19/2013,” the coroner’s office report states. CNN has asked her attorney about why Watts may have left the hospital without having the nonviable fetus induced, as recommended by the medical staff.

The next day, September 20, Watts returned “for the same issue and left against medical advice again,” the coroner’s office report states.“

She presented herself twice to the hospital and left against medical advice each time. Her family didn’t know she was pregnant because she was hiding the fact she was pregnant. She went against medical advice that could have prevented this situation two times.

“At one point, a physician advised Ms Watts that she should have her labour induced, a procedure that amounted to an abortion and would cause her to deliver the fetus but also put her at “significant risk” of death, according to those records obtained by the Associated Press.“

So the doctors at the hospital wanted to induce her and give her the abortion she needed, but she left the hospital.

This baby is 22 weeks old. The woman who is the topic of this thread- that’s how old her baby was when he or she died. She was hiding her pregnancy from her family so she couldn’t tell them she was pregnant and in a medical situation from which she could die. The doctors told her she could die and she needed medical treatment urgently.

Watts had been admitted to the Catholic hospital twice that week with vaginal bleeding, but she left without being treated. A nurse told the 911 dispatcher that Watts returned no longer pregnant on that Friday. She said Watts told her, “the baby’s in her backyard in a bucket,” and that she didn't want to have a child.

This woman was hiding her pregnancy and wanted to hide the baby after it died. She was able to get the health care she needed to prevent her from having serious medical problems that could have occurred, but twice she checked herself out if the hospital against the advice of doctors.

What really is confusing is that people are mad at the nurse for doing her job. What kind of people get mad at a nurse for doing her job? A nurse is a medical professional that maintains a nursing license. Nurses across the country battle against staffing shortages, burnout, and an all-time high of demands and strains on the overall healthcare system. Somehow this nurse is responsible for thus woman hiding her pregnancy from her family, leaving the hospital twice against medical advice, giving birth in a toilet and plunging her own baby down the pipes to further hide her pregnancy and now dead baby, going to get her hair done (because of course nobody will notice you are bleeding, in medical distress, the toilet in your home is clogged with the body of your grandchild, and a bucket overflowing with blood and feces is sitting in your yard?)

This woman is 34 years old. She has been described by her attorney as a girl. Girls aren’t 34.

A county forensic investigator reported feeling “what appeared to be a small foot with toes” inside Watts’ toilet. Police seized the toilet and broke it apart to retrieve the intact fetus as evidence.

This woman is either mentally ill or completely detached from the reality that she was a pregnant and was in medical distress. I don’t think she was unaware of her medical distress because she presented at the hospital two times after seeing a doctor.

I really wonder what would dcum think if a 14 year old girl who had been raped miscarried and her rapist took the baby and plunged him or her down the toilet in a bid to hide the evidence of the rape?
Situations like that are the why professionals (like the nurse you all are so mad at) have a duty to report and can lose their license to be a nurse if they do not do so. So nurses now have to put their license and professional reputation and ability to support themselves in jeopardy because women want to hide unwanted pregnancy?
You all are not in reality. This woman had no problem taking care of herself (showering, putting on makeup, going to get her hair done) and was attempting to hide the fact she gave birth, as she hid her pregnancy.

We’re you there with her when the fetus finally was expelled from her vagina? We’re you there when she fished out what SHE thought were the remains but turned out it wasn’t so how easy was it to identify the fetus.

You don’t actually know what the fetus looked like. You don’t actually know of the fetus was 22 weeks. Because pregnancies are dated from a woman’s period not from the moment of conception. And some fetuses grow more slowly than others especially if there was a problem. I had twins that were sized 2 weeks apart yet they were conceived via IVF on the same day.

Bottom line — You Were Not There.

It’s just mind boggling how you go on and on without any actual understanding of how traumatizing it is to be bleeding and in pain for days while losing a pregnancy. I’ve been there and have so much rage for this woman.

You have no idea what it’s like to go through something like this alone. And yes people try to put on a brave face during adversity. So what. Most of us with human dna understand that. You are clearly missing some kind of empathy gene.

DP. This is true. It’s also true that the above is the other side of the story. Everyone on here immediately jumped to a certain conclusion. My reaction was, “wow this is strange and there must be more to this story.” Sure enough, there is.

Yes, there is. You do not understand medical viability, and that shows in how you present yourself and your argument.

That's a fault in both you and your case.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for her. The last thing I’d want after giving birth (and a stillbirth at that) is to engage with any human, especially police officers. She must have been exhausted and emotionally distraught.

She went to an appointment with her hairdresser.

You've obviously never worked with victims of trauma before--or even done a basic google search on common trauma responses.

But besides all of that, I don't care if she left her home, hopped on a train and joined the Rockettes kickline at Radio City. It is insane to put a woman in jail for this alleged 'crime'.

“At one point, a physician advised Ms Watts that she should have her labour induced, a procedure that amounted to an abortion and would cause her to deliver the fetus but also put her at “significant risk” of death, according to those records obtained by the Associated Press.“

So the doctors at the hospital wanted to induce her and give her the abortion she needed, but she left the hospital.

Good lord you typed this out in the middle of your screed and don’t even seem to realize what you are saying.

Being induced for l&d which could put you at significant risk for death is NOT the same thing as getting a D&C which is fast and safer.

Are you this clueless about everything? Please share with us your near death experience giving birth or miscarrying

How is giving birth in a toilet, by yourself, safer?

A D&C is not giving birth in a toilet by yourself. Are you always this clueless?

I’m saying giving birth into a toilet isn’t safer than being in a hospital. She left AMA and birthed on her own. I’m asking how that’s safer. If the hospital was going to induce labor one would think that was far safer than doing it on your own.

If only they gave her that option.

Earlier that week, she was admitted twice to Mercy Health St. Joseph Warren Hospital when she experienced agonizing cramps and bleeding. (she was admitted to the hospital twice)

However, she left both times after waiting hours to see a doctor. (yes it takes time to see a doctor. The important thing was she was admitted to the hospital, in a hospital bed with medical professionals monitoring her condition. A doctor signed an order to have her admitted. The doctor who would be in charge of her treatment would be a different doctor. That’s how hospitals work. This woman was hiding her pregnancy from her family and couldn’t stay in a hospital because her family would ask where she was.)

Following the miscarriage, which she suffered at just over 22 weeks pregnant, Watts flushed the toilet.

When the toilet overflowed, she used a bucket to clean up. As she did not want anyone to know about the pregnancy, Watts then went to the salon for a hair appointment.

But the hairdresser was concerned and called her mother. Watts was taken to the hospital, where a nurse phoned 911.

According to transcripts, the nurse told a dispatcher that Watts was sent to the hospital earlier that week with bleeding and left ‘against medical advice.’

‘She came back in on Wednesday still bleeding and said, “Maybe I do need to be seen.” So we readmitted her and we were talking her through everything and she disappeared,’ the nurse said.

She said Watts admitted to placing the fetus in a bucket and putting it outside her home, and claimed that Watts told her she did not want the baby. ( Doctors couldn’t even treat her because she KEPT LEAVING. And now you all are attacking the medical system and people working in a high she refused treatment from?)

I’m attacking the religious a-holes who prevented the doctors from doing their job.

Keep your religion out of medical care. You are hurting women.

She didn’t receive medical care because she left against the advice of the doctors who were treating her. No religious issues prevented her from receiving treatment, her overwhelming desire to hide her pregnancy caused her to flee from medical treatment. Notice she presented for a hair appointment but refused medical treatment. If you can show up to get your hair done, you can show up to save your life. The person that stopped her from receiving medical treatment was herself.

8 hours is a long time to sit around not knowing what the hospital is going to Don

Stop with your judgy yammering about her hair appointment.

You really are callous. You might benefit from some empathy training.