Single Issue Voter: Controlling The Borders

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Anonymous wrote:When will the MAGAs wake up to the fact that the wall is just a symbol, it's all mental - and not actually a barrier.

You know, this fatalistic attitude you liberals have concerning the wall reminds me of the gun control debate. I bet it drives you crazy when people say, "Well, criminals will get their hands on guns no matter what, so there's no need to put into place (more) gun control laws." Right?

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It's a stupid analogy built on a strawman. So much for your crickets.

DP. It's actually a very apt analogy that you're unable to address. So much for your silly dismissal.

WRONG. It's a strawman argument because only utter and complete morons would make a completely ridiculous argument like "criminals will get their hands on guns no matter what so no need to put into place more gun laws." That much cannot be argued with... unless you yourself are an utter and complete moron.

And, as such, it becomes a stupid analogy, BECAUSE it is built on a moronic strawman.

Go back to school and learn some logic and critical thinking.

It's clear you don't understand what an analogy is.
"Only utter and complete morons would make a completely ridiculous argument like "immigrants will enter the country illegally no matter what so no need to put into place any barrier that might inhibit them or even slow them down." That much cannot be argued with... unless you yourself are an utter and complete moron.

Read that slowly. I have faith in you.

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Good grief... the idiocy.

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Anonymous wrote:So the border patrol is doing its job. Thanks Joe!

Question is.... how many have gotten through? There was another person detected in the brush. No word on whether they got him.

Texas DPS and TX National Guard were also credited with helping to catch these scumbags.
And, several other states are sending National Guard troops to TX to help - FL, AR, VA, TN, and others. All because Biden won't do his job.

It is conjecture as to "how many got through" - the fact is almost everyone coming through is seeking asylum, so want to get into the system. The right wing hyperbole machine would have you believe no one gets caught, no one gets deported, no drugs are recovered etc, in other words, no faith that the border patrol is doing its job. Facts matter, apprehensions, deportations and drug interdictions are all up from the Trump Administration.

OMG. That's because the number of people attempting illegal entry has VASTLY increased under the Biden administration. It only follows that of course all of the bolded are up - there are FAR MORE people at the border, thus there are FAR MORE apprehensions. Logic is not your strong suit, obviously.
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No, it really hasn't. That is conjecture.

You can’t be serious. This has been documented over and over. “Conjecture”? More like denial, on your part.

In fiscal year 2021, which included Mr. Biden's first eight full months in office, Border Patrol recorded 1.66 million arrests along the southern border, surpassing the previous all-time high of 1.64 million arrests set in 2000, CBP data show.

During the first 10 months of fiscal year 2022, Border Patrol agents along the Mexican border reported more than 1.8 million apprehensions, a new record high that will likely surpass 2 million when fiscal year 2023 starts in October, according to the CBP figures.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/immigration-biden-us-mexico-border/

He’s arresting more. You don’t like that?

....And releasing them into our country. It's more of an "encounter," not arrest.
These people break our laws and are rewarded with free food, free health care, free housing, and free transportation to the places they want to go.

What you call "releasing into the country" most places call "temporary asylum" until their case can be heard. If you don't like that, change the international law, or, get more money for admininstrative judges to hear the cases faster.

According to international law, they do not have to be released into the country, and can be rejected immediately, unless they are from Mexico.
It is Biden that wants to let them in, and appoints administrative judges who will let them in, regardless of the validity of their case.
And the cases are bogus, with different groups at the border providing them training on what to say.
There is a reason the flow went up after Biden became president, and it was not because of a lack of judges, or a sudden increase in refugees.
They heard that it was an open border.

THIS. Anyone arguing otherwise is simply gaslighting, as usual.

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+1 and I have yet to see anyone here make an argument that we should have absolutely zero border enforcement, control or protection whatsoever. What people have said is that the wall, as it stands, has been ineffective. And I agree, it's ineffective. I have said from the start that we need better technologies, like surveillance and monitoring. Trump on the other hand didn't include or discuss any of that in his wall proposals. That's what makes the gun control stupidity above very much NOT an "apt analogy."

Trump added surveillance and monitoring. This also included intercepting people as they were trying to scale the wall/ cut the fence. It also became easier as they cut the overall flow, so harder for people to slip through. The wall has been effective. No one expected 100% to be stopped. It is just an improvement over what Obama built under the Secure Fence Act,
https://www.globalsecurity.org/security/systems/images/mexico-wall-vehicular-image1.jpg

Thank you. This is the "border wall system" that was proposed and Democrats opposed.
PP is clueless about what Trump had proposed.

The democrats opposed the wall. They have supported more border personnel, more things like drones and night vision equipment and more support services, judges etc to facilitate the system.

They oppose the wall because it works, not because it doesn't work. The judges they support are ones that facilitate letting people in, not judges that facilitate keeping people out.

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Anonymous wrote:When will the MAGAs wake up to the fact that the wall is just a symbol, it's all mental - and not actually a barrier.

When will people like you wake up to the fact that it is highly unlikely that Trump was the first person ever in politics or the US government to suggest building a wall. You act as if he had some amazing, earth shattering revelation. Duh. He repeated something someone else already came up with.

And now his cult members practically intone “the wall, the wall solves all.” It’s not a panacea. It’s not even a good idea. It’s just a way to keep the right wing rubes entertained while right wing donors enjoy the fruits of labor performed by illegal workers and by not having to pay a living wage to a documented worker or even an American citizen.

That is one part. Making people wait in Mexico while their case is pending, put in place by Trump and canceled by Biden, reduces the flow. Having judges hear cases immediately, bypassing the backlog, let's people know they won't be able to wait in America, and also reduces the demand for people to come. This won't work with Biden because he fires judges that reject cases. Jeff Sessions put a stop to these illegal acceptances by taking direct control over immigration judges.
Trump also used trade authority as leverage to force Mexico to put up soldiers on its side to keep out illegal immigrants, before they could take advantage of this asylum process- Mexico paid for a wall.

If this wall is such a bad idea, why is America providing foreign aid for other countries to put up walls?

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Anonymous wrote:When will the MAGAs wake up to the fact that the wall is just a symbol, it's all mental - and not actually a barrier.

When will people like you wake up to the fact that it is highly unlikely that Trump was the first person ever in politics or the US government to suggest building a wall. You act as if he had some amazing, earth shattering revelation. Duh. He repeated something someone else already came up with.

And now his cult members practically intone “the wall, the wall solves all.” It’s not a panacea. It’s not even a good idea. It’s just a way to keep the right wing rubes entertained while right wing donors enjoy the fruits of labor performed by illegal workers and by not having to pay a living wage to a documented worker or even an American citizen.

That is one part. Making people wait in Mexico while their case is pending, put in place by Trump and canceled by Biden, reduces the flow. Having judges hear cases immediately, bypassing the backlog, let's people know they won't be able to wait in America, and also reduces the demand for people to come. This won't work with Biden because he fires judges that reject cases. Jeff Sessions put a stop to these illegal acceptances by taking direct control over immigration judges.
Trump also used trade authority as leverage to force Mexico to put up soldiers on its side to keep out illegal immigrants, before they could take advantage of this asylum process- Mexico paid for a wall.

If this wall is such a bad idea, why is America providing foreign aid for other countries to put up walls?

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

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He’s arresting more. You don’t like that?

....And releasing them into our country. It's more of an "encounter," not arrest.

The deportations are escorting them to the border, where the illegal immigrant becomes a legal immigrant via the CBP One app and Biden illegally lets him into the country.

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What is going on with our border should be more than enough to impeach Biden.

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Democrats wanted to do just that to Trump over the border issue - now we hear crickets from the same loudmouths referring to Trump's border as "concentration camps."

Let's remember it was Obama/ Biden who first put all those kids in wages while the media looked the other way.

Only fools voted Biden thinking he'd be better at handling the real crisis.

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+1 and I have yet to see anyone here make an argument that we should have absolutely zero border enforcement, control or protection whatsoever. What people have said is that the wall, as it stands, has been ineffective. And I agree, it's ineffective. I have said from the start that we need better technologies, like surveillance and monitoring. Trump on the other hand didn't include or discuss any of that in his wall proposals. That's what makes the gun control stupidity above very much NOT an "apt analogy."

Trump added surveillance and monitoring. This also included intercepting people as they were trying to scale the wall/ cut the fence. It also became easier as they cut the overall flow, so harder for people to slip through. The wall has been effective. No one expected 100% to be stopped. It is just an improvement over what Obama built under the Secure Fence Act,
https://www.globalsecurity.org/security/systems/images/mexico-wall-vehicular-image1.jpg

Thank you. This is the "border wall system" that was proposed and Democrats opposed.
PP is clueless about what Trump had proposed.

The democrats opposed the wall. They have supported more border personnel, more things like drones and night vision equipment and more support services, judges etc to facilitate the system.

They oppose the wall because it works, not because it doesn't work. The judges they support are ones that facilitate letting people in, not judges that facilitate keeping people out.

Narrator: but, it doesn't work.

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Anonymous wrote:When will the MAGAs wake up to the fact that the wall is just a symbol, it's all mental - and not actually a barrier.

When will people like you wake up to the fact that it is highly unlikely that Trump was the first person ever in politics or the US government to suggest building a wall. You act as if he had some amazing, earth shattering revelation. Duh. He repeated something someone else already came up with.

And now his cult members practically intone “the wall, the wall solves all.” It’s not a panacea. It’s not even a good idea. It’s just a way to keep the right wing rubes entertained while right wing donors enjoy the fruits of labor performed by illegal workers and by not having to pay a living wage to a documented worker or even an American citizen.

That is one part. Making people wait in Mexico while their case is pending, put in place by Trump and canceled by Biden, reduces the flow. Having judges hear cases immediately, bypassing the backlog, let's people know they won't be able to wait in America, and also reduces the demand for people to come. This won't work with Biden because he fires judges that reject cases. Jeff Sessions put a stop to these illegal acceptances by taking direct control over immigration judges.
Trump also used trade authority as leverage to force Mexico to put up soldiers on its side to keep out illegal immigrants, before they could take advantage of this asylum process- Mexico paid for a wall.

If this wall is such a bad idea, why is America providing foreign aid for other countries to put up walls?

The democrats, for more than a decade, have wanted more money for more judges. The GOP has opposed it at every turn. Please stop with the lies.

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He’s arresting more. You don’t like that?

....And releasing them into our country. It's more of an "encounter," not arrest.

The deportations are escorting them to the border, where the illegal immigrant becomes a legal immigrant via the CBP One app and Biden illegally lets him into the country.

The app gets the migrants into the system, from wherever they are, so they don't have to start the process at the border. It has helped reduce the crush significantly. Do you even understand this?

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What is going on with our border should be more than enough to impeach Biden.

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Democrats wanted to do just that to Trump over the border issue - now we hear crickets from the same loudmouths referring to Trump's border as "concentration camps."

Let's remember it was Obama/ Biden who first put all those kids in wages while the media looked the other way.

Only fools voted Biden thinking he'd be better at handling the real crisis.

They didn't separate families, they put unaccompanied kids in places where they could be cared for and monitored. The monsters in the GOP literally ripped kids away from their parents and there are still HUNDREDS who have not been reconnected. It was a codified child trafficing scheme and it was horrifying. The idea that you are trying to equate the two actions is simply gaslighting.

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He’s arresting more. You don’t like that?

....And releasing them into our country. It's more of an "encounter," not arrest.

The deportations are escorting them to the border, where the illegal immigrant becomes a legal immigrant via the CBP One app and Biden illegally lets him into the country.

The app gets the migrants into the system, from wherever they are, so they don't have to start the process at the border. It has helped reduce the crush significantly. Do you even understand this?

The app actually gives "permission" to Biden to release migrants into our country without holding them in facilities for any length of time.
The optics of the overcrowded holding facilities was too much for the Biden administration to handle. They are all about optics.
The issue of record number of migrants coming in hasn't been solved at all.

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What is going on with our border should be more than enough to impeach Biden.

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Democrats wanted to do just that to Trump over the border issue - now we hear crickets from the same loudmouths referring to Trump's border as "concentration camps."

Let's remember it was Obama/ Biden who first put all those kids in wages while the media looked the other way.

Only fools voted Biden thinking he'd be better at handling the real crisis.

They didn't separate families, they put unaccompanied kids in places where they could be cared for and monitored. The monsters in the GOP literally ripped kids away from their parents and there are still HUNDREDS who have not been reconnected. It was a codified child trafficing scheme and it was horrifying. The idea that you are trying to equate the two actions is simply gaslighting.

I remember when the left wanted to make the Trump admin. to appear to be such monsters "locking kids in cages" that they used photos from Obama's administration to prove what monsters they are. Didn't take long for people to discover the photos were actually taken during Obama's reign.

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Anonymous wrote:When will the MAGAs wake up to the fact that the wall is just a symbol, it's all mental - and not actually a barrier.

You know, this fatalistic attitude you liberals have concerning the wall reminds me of the gun control debate. I bet it drives you crazy when people say, "Well, criminals will get their hands on guns no matter what, so there's no need to put into place (more) gun control laws." Right?

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It's a stupid analogy built on a strawman. So much for your crickets.

DP. It's actually a very apt analogy that you're unable to address. So much for your silly dismissal.

WRONG. It's a strawman argument because only utter and complete morons would make a completely ridiculous argument like "criminals will get their hands on guns no matter what so no need to put into place more gun laws." That much cannot be argued with... unless you yourself are an utter and complete moron.

And, as such, it becomes a stupid analogy, BECAUSE it is built on a moronic strawman.

Go back to school and learn some logic and critical thinking.

It's clear you don't understand what an analogy is.
"Only utter and complete morons would make a completely ridiculous argument like "immigrants will enter the country illegally no matter what so no need to put into place any barrier that might inhibit them or even slow them down." That much cannot be argued with... unless you yourself are an utter and complete moron.

Read that slowly. I have faith in you.

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DP. I think your problem and disconnect is that you are so deeply steeped in conservative media that you actually think "immigrants will enter the country illegally no matter what so no need to put into place any barrier that might inhibit them or even slow them down." is actually the position that everyone on the left has. It isn't. Maybe try broadening your horizons and trying different sources of information than hyperbolic right wing outlets.