BA.5 Variant, the worst version of Omicron, is vaccine evasiive and surging across the country

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Anonymous wrote:Two and a half years in and I don’t see a huge difference in the frequency of infections among my mask wearing friends and my non mask wearing friends. On top of that, lots of people are reporting a slew of non Covid infections now that their immune systems are getting challenged again. I think the truth is that if we really wanted to prevent Covid, we’d be masking at home or with friends instead of the grocery store, but who would do that? I never thought I I would say this, but I don’t think makes sense anymore.

We plan to send DD to public school masked AND we will have to mask at home because my husband has a blood disorder which makes him extremely high risk.

We will mask at home when she is home so she can catch a break from masking. HEPA filter and distancing, ventilation, etc. At night doors closed and HEPA unit in hallway between our bedrooms.

DD will lunch away from her peers so she can be unmasked to eat.

Our goal is no exposure at all. It will be hard, but may not be impossible. In our case its worth the effort because the risk to my husband from any form of covid is extreme. Im high risk from hypertension, but lack risk factors like heart issues or obesity. So I may just be elevated risk.

If we didnt have these risks, we would just mask in public settings and not at home.

What’s your end game? Or do you just intend to do this until your kid leaves for college and presumably never comes back?

The end game is for poster to stay alive to see their kids go to college. Empathy is always a good thing in life.

So you think it is rational to keep up those actions for years/decades? Despite having effective vaccines and treatments?

I really don't understand that at all.

The vaccines are not stopping transmission and not everyone has access to treatments. I got covid a month ago and begged my doctors for something and they said no as they were concerned about side effects and rebound. They said if it got bad enough go to the ER. It got really bad but I couldn't get out of bed to even go to the ER.

I don't understand how you don't get how someone with cancer might be concerned about covid and how you think its no big deal to get covid while in cancer treatment. My kid lost a parent to cancer. Thankfully you have no idea the impact of that.

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I have cancer. I’m in chemo right now. And I will never understand the Covid crazies. I mask when indoors when around others. I do not require my kids to or my husband to for that matter. Not everyone who is immunocompromised thinks death is lurking around every corner. Some of us are grounded.

How compassionate and empathetic of you to make your judgments on people when you know nothing about their situations. I don’t know if grounded would be the right word to describe you… but I’ll leave it at that.

No. It’s grounded. I don’t expect anyone else to be responsible for me or my health. That’s grounded.

But your implying others with cancer are “Covid crazies” if they ask their family members to wear masks in crowded places. “Live and let live” is truly grounded.

You’re

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Anonymous wrote:Two and a half years in and I don’t see a huge difference in the frequency of infections among my mask wearing friends and my non mask wearing friends. On top of that, lots of people are reporting a slew of non Covid infections now that their immune systems are getting challenged again. I think the truth is that if we really wanted to prevent Covid, we’d be masking at home or with friends instead of the grocery store, but who would do that? I never thought I I would say this, but I don’t think makes sense anymore.

We plan to send DD to public school masked AND we will have to mask at home because my husband has a blood disorder which makes him extremely high risk.

We will mask at home when she is home so she can catch a break from masking. HEPA filter and distancing, ventilation, etc. At night doors closed and HEPA unit in hallway between our bedrooms.

DD will lunch away from her peers so she can be unmasked to eat.

Our goal is no exposure at all. It will be hard, but may not be impossible. In our case its worth the effort because the risk to my husband from any form of covid is extreme. Im high risk from hypertension, but lack risk factors like heart issues or obesity. So I may just be elevated risk.

If we didnt have these risks, we would just mask in public settings and not at home.

What’s your end game? Or do you just intend to do this until your kid leaves for college and presumably never comes back?

The end game is for poster to stay alive to see their kids go to college. Empathy is always a good thing in life.

So you think it is rational to keep up those actions for years/decades? Despite having effective vaccines and treatments?

I really don't understand that at all.

The vaccines are not stopping transmission and not everyone has access to treatments. I got covid a month ago and begged my doctors for something and they said no as they were concerned about side effects and rebound. They said if it got bad enough go to the ER. It got really bad but I couldn't get out of bed to even go to the ER.

I don't understand how you don't get how someone with cancer might be concerned about covid and how you think its no big deal to get covid while in cancer treatment. My kid lost a parent to cancer. Thankfully you have no idea the impact of that.

DP
I have cancer. I’m in chemo right now. And I will never understand the Covid crazies. I mask when indoors when around others. I do not require my kids to or my husband to for that matter. Not everyone who is immunocompromised thinks death is lurking around every corner. Some of us are grounded.

How compassionate and empathetic of you to make your judgments on people when you know nothing about their situations. I don’t know if grounded would be the right word to describe you… but I’ll leave it at that.

No. It’s grounded. I don’t expect anyone else to be responsible for me or my health. That’s grounded.

But your implying others with cancer are “Covid crazies” if they ask their family members to wear masks in crowded places. “Live and let live” is truly grounded.

No. Those people are not Covid crazies. The Covid crazies are the ones who expect strangers to mask to protect them. I have a huge problem with that.

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Anonymous wrote:Two and a half years in and I don’t see a huge difference in the frequency of infections among my mask wearing friends and my non mask wearing friends. On top of that, lots of people are reporting a slew of non Covid infections now that their immune systems are getting challenged again. I think the truth is that if we really wanted to prevent Covid, we’d be masking at home or with friends instead of the grocery store, but who would do that? I never thought I I would say this, but I don’t think makes sense anymore.

We plan to send DD to public school masked AND we will have to mask at home because my husband has a blood disorder which makes him extremely high risk.

We will mask at home when she is home so she can catch a break from masking. HEPA filter and distancing, ventilation, etc. At night doors closed and HEPA unit in hallway between our bedrooms.

DD will lunch away from her peers so she can be unmasked to eat.

Our goal is no exposure at all. It will be hard, but may not be impossible. In our case its worth the effort because the risk to my husband from any form of covid is extreme. Im high risk from hypertension, but lack risk factors like heart issues or obesity. So I may just be elevated risk.

If we didnt have these risks, we would just mask in public settings and not at home.

What’s your end game? Or do you just intend to do this until your kid leaves for college and presumably never comes back?

The end game is for poster to stay alive to see their kids go to college. Empathy is always a good thing in life.

So you think it is rational to keep up those actions for years/decades? Despite having effective vaccines and treatments?

I really don't understand that at all.

The vaccines are not stopping transmission and not everyone has access to treatments. I got covid a month ago and begged my doctors for something and they said no as they were concerned about side effects and rebound. They said if it got bad enough go to the ER. It got really bad but I couldn't get out of bed to even go to the ER.

I don't understand how you don't get how someone with cancer might be concerned about covid and how you think its no big deal to get covid while in cancer treatment. My kid lost a parent to cancer. Thankfully you have no idea the impact of that.

No, the vaccines don’t stop transmissions, but they do stop severe illness. That’s the point.

Let’s get this straight, though. You were so sick that you couldn’t physically make it to the ER, but not so ill that you’d call a family member or ambulance. It doesn’t sound like you actually thought your situation was that serious.

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Anonymous wrote:So going back to the thread title, why is this the worst version of Omicron?

More contagious.

So what? “Worse” would imply more deaths, or severe illness. If that’s not happening, rational people don’t care about it being more transmissible.

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Anonymous wrote:Two and a half years in and I don’t see a huge difference in the frequency of infections among my mask wearing friends and my non mask wearing friends. On top of that, lots of people are reporting a slew of non Covid infections now that their immune systems are getting challenged again. I think the truth is that if we really wanted to prevent Covid, we’d be masking at home or with friends instead of the grocery store, but who would do that? I never thought I I would say this, but I don’t think makes sense anymore.

We plan to send DD to public school masked AND we will have to mask at home because my husband has a blood disorder which makes him extremely high risk.

We will mask at home when she is home so she can catch a break from masking. HEPA filter and distancing, ventilation, etc. At night doors closed and HEPA unit in hallway between our bedrooms.

DD will lunch away from her peers so she can be unmasked to eat.

Our goal is no exposure at all. It will be hard, but may not be impossible. In our case its worth the effort because the risk to my husband from any form of covid is extreme. Im high risk from hypertension, but lack risk factors like heart issues or obesity. So I may just be elevated risk.

If we didnt have these risks, we would just mask in public settings and not at home.

What’s your end game? Or do you just intend to do this until your kid leaves for college and presumably never comes back?

The end game is for poster to stay alive to see their kids go to college. Empathy is always a good thing in life.

So you think it is rational to keep up those actions for years/decades? Despite having effective vaccines and treatments?

I really don't understand that at all.

The vaccines are not stopping transmission and not everyone has access to treatments. I got covid a month ago and begged my doctors for something and they said no as they were concerned about side effects and rebound. They said if it got bad enough go to the ER. It got really bad but I couldn't get out of bed to even go to the ER.

I don't understand how you don't get how someone with cancer might be concerned about covid and how you think its no big deal to get covid while in cancer treatment. My kid lost a parent to cancer. Thankfully you have no idea the impact of that.

Have you never had the flu before? I’ve had it several times and I am bed bound for days. Once I was in grad school and lived alone. I’m not sure some of you people know what “bad” means.

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Anonymous wrote:Two and a half years in and I don’t see a huge difference in the frequency of infections among my mask wearing friends and my non mask wearing friends. On top of that, lots of people are reporting a slew of non Covid infections now that their immune systems are getting challenged again. I think the truth is that if we really wanted to prevent Covid, we’d be masking at home or with friends instead of the grocery store, but who would do that? I never thought I I would say this, but I don’t think makes sense anymore.

We plan to send DD to public school masked AND we will have to mask at home because my husband has a blood disorder which makes him extremely high risk.

We will mask at home when she is home so she can catch a break from masking. HEPA filter and distancing, ventilation, etc. At night doors closed and HEPA unit in hallway between our bedrooms.

DD will lunch away from her peers so she can be unmasked to eat.

Our goal is no exposure at all. It will be hard, but may not be impossible. In our case its worth the effort because the risk to my husband from any form of covid is extreme. Im high risk from hypertension, but lack risk factors like heart issues or obesity. So I may just be elevated risk.

If we didnt have these risks, we would just mask in public settings and not at home.

What’s your end game? Or do you just intend to do this until your kid leaves for college and presumably never comes back?

The end game is for poster to stay alive to see their kids go to college. Empathy is always a good thing in life.

So you think it is rational to keep up those actions for years/decades? Despite having effective vaccines and treatments?

I really don't understand that at all.

The vaccines are not stopping transmission and not everyone has access to treatments. I got covid a month ago and begged my doctors for something and they said no as they were concerned about side effects and rebound. They said if it got bad enough go to the ER. It got really bad but I couldn't get out of bed to even go to the ER.

I don't understand how you don't get how someone with cancer might be concerned about covid and how you think its no big deal to get covid while in cancer treatment. My kid lost a parent to cancer. Thankfully you have no idea the impact of that.

Have you never had the flu before? I’ve had it several times and I am bed bound for days. Once I was in grad school and lived alone. I’m not sure some of you people know what “bad” means.

I’ve had bad colds but never a bad flu.

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Anonymous wrote:So going back to the thread title, why is this the worst version of Omicron?

More contagious.

So what? “Worse” would imply more deaths, or severe illness. If that’s not happening, rational people don’t care about it being more transmissible.

Rational people care about getting sick.

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Anonymous wrote:So going back to the thread title, why is this the worst version of Omicron?

More contagious.

So what? “Worse” would imply more deaths, or severe illness. If that’s not happening, rational people don’t care about it being more transmissible.

Rational people care about getting sick.

You’re not going to outrun Covid, no matter how hard you try.

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So those who feel COVID is still warranting red flags, what would you have all of us do? Never go out? What's your solution if you feel all of us who really don't want to take precautions are too lax? What's the protocol except to um basically limit doing anything out of our house? I truly want to know.

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Anonymous wrote:So those who feel COVID is still warranting red flags, what would you have all of us do? Never go out? What's your solution if you feel all of us who really don't want to take precautions are too lax? What's the protocol except to um basically limit doing anything out of our house? I truly want to know.

Some people want permanent masking and quarantines. Those are generally people without young kids (or who have a nanny or a SAHP).

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Anonymous wrote:Two and a half years in and I don’t see a huge difference in the frequency of infections among my mask wearing friends and my non mask wearing friends. On top of that, lots of people are reporting a slew of non Covid infections now that their immune systems are getting challenged again. I think the truth is that if we really wanted to prevent Covid, we’d be masking at home or with friends instead of the grocery store, but who would do that? I never thought I I would say this, but I don’t think makes sense anymore.

We plan to send DD to public school masked AND we will have to mask at home because my husband has a blood disorder which makes him extremely high risk.

We will mask at home when she is home so she can catch a break from masking. HEPA filter and distancing, ventilation, etc. At night doors closed and HEPA unit in hallway between our bedrooms.

DD will lunch away from her peers so she can be unmasked to eat.

Our goal is no exposure at all. It will be hard, but may not be impossible. In our case its worth the effort because the risk to my husband from any form of covid is extreme. Im high risk from hypertension, but lack risk factors like heart issues or obesity. So I may just be elevated risk.

If we didnt have these risks, we would just mask in public settings and not at home.

What’s your end game? Or do you just intend to do this until your kid leaves for college and presumably never comes back?

The end game is for poster to stay alive to see their kids go to college. Empathy is always a good thing in life.

So you think it is rational to keep up those actions for years/decades? Despite having effective vaccines and treatments?

I really don't understand that at all.

The vaccines are not stopping transmission and not everyone has access to treatments. I got covid a month ago and begged my doctors for something and they said no as they were concerned about side effects and rebound. They said if it got bad enough go to the ER. It got really bad but I couldn't get out of bed to even go to the ER.

I don't understand how you don't get how someone with cancer might be concerned about covid and how you think its no big deal to get covid while in cancer treatment. My kid lost a parent to cancer. Thankfully you have no idea the impact of that.

DP
I have cancer. I’m in chemo right now. And I will never understand the Covid crazies. I mask when indoors when around others. I do not require my kids to or my husband to for that matter. Not everyone who is immunocompromised thinks death is lurking around every corner. Some of us are grounded.

How compassionate and empathetic of you to make your judgments on people when you know nothing about their situations. I don’t know if grounded would be the right word to describe you… but I’ll leave it at that.

No. It’s grounded. I don’t expect anyone else to be responsible for me or my health. That’s grounded.

But your implying others with cancer are “Covid crazies” if they ask their family members to wear masks in crowded places. “Live and let live” is truly grounded.

No. Those people are not Covid crazies. The Covid crazies are the ones who expect strangers to mask to protect them. I have a huge problem with that.

Well that I understand. I’ve got cancer too snd don’t expect strangers to mask.

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Anonymous wrote:Two and a half years in and I don’t see a huge difference in the frequency of infections among my mask wearing friends and my non mask wearing friends. On top of that, lots of people are reporting a slew of non Covid infections now that their immune systems are getting challenged again. I think the truth is that if we really wanted to prevent Covid, we’d be masking at home or with friends instead of the grocery store, but who would do that? I never thought I I would say this, but I don’t think makes sense anymore.

We plan to send DD to public school masked AND we will have to mask at home because my husband has a blood disorder which makes him extremely high risk.

We will mask at home when she is home so she can catch a break from masking. HEPA filter and distancing, ventilation, etc. At night doors closed and HEPA unit in hallway between our bedrooms.

DD will lunch away from her peers so she can be unmasked to eat.

Our goal is no exposure at all. It will be hard, but may not be impossible. In our case its worth the effort because the risk to my husband from any form of covid is extreme. Im high risk from hypertension, but lack risk factors like heart issues or obesity. So I may just be elevated risk.

If we didnt have these risks, we would just mask in public settings and not at home.

What’s your end game? Or do you just intend to do this until your kid leaves for college and presumably never comes back?

The end game is for poster to stay alive to see their kids go to college. Empathy is always a good thing in life.

So you think it is rational to keep up those actions for years/decades? Despite having effective vaccines and treatments?

I really don't understand that at all.

The vaccines are not stopping transmission and not everyone has access to treatments. I got covid a month ago and begged my doctors for something and they said no as they were concerned about side effects and rebound. They said if it got bad enough go to the ER. It got really bad but I couldn't get out of bed to even go to the ER.

I don't understand how you don't get how someone with cancer might be concerned about covid and how you think its no big deal to get covid while in cancer treatment. My kid lost a parent to cancer. Thankfully you have no idea the impact of that.

DP
I have cancer. I’m in chemo right now. And I will never understand the Covid crazies. I mask when indoors when around others. I do not require my kids to or my husband to for that matter. Not everyone who is immunocompromised thinks death is lurking around every corner. Some of us are grounded.

How compassionate and empathetic of you to make your judgments on people when you know nothing about their situations. I don’t know if grounded would be the right word to describe you… but I’ll leave it at that.

No. It’s grounded. I don’t expect anyone else to be responsible for me or my health. That’s grounded.

But your implying others with cancer are “Covid crazies” if they ask their family members to wear masks in crowded places. “Live and let live” is truly grounded.

No. Those people are not Covid crazies. The Covid crazies are the ones who expect strangers to mask to protect them. I have a huge problem with that.

Well that I understand. I’ve got cancer too snd don’t expect strangers to mask.

Then that makes two of us!
Hope your treatment is going well.

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Anonymous wrote:Two and a half years in and I don’t see a huge difference in the frequency of infections among my mask wearing friends and my non mask wearing friends. On top of that, lots of people are reporting a slew of non Covid infections now that their immune systems are getting challenged again. I think the truth is that if we really wanted to prevent Covid, we’d be masking at home or with friends instead of the grocery store, but who would do that? I never thought I I would say this, but I don’t think makes sense anymore.

We plan to send DD to public school masked AND we will have to mask at home because my husband has a blood disorder which makes him extremely high risk.

We will mask at home when she is home so she can catch a break from masking. HEPA filter and distancing, ventilation, etc. At night doors closed and HEPA unit in hallway between our bedrooms.

DD will lunch away from her peers so she can be unmasked to eat.

Our goal is no exposure at all. It will be hard, but may not be impossible. In our case its worth the effort because the risk to my husband from any form of covid is extreme. Im high risk from hypertension, but lack risk factors like heart issues or obesity. So I may just be elevated risk.

If we didnt have these risks, we would just mask in public settings and not at home.

What’s your end game? Or do you just intend to do this until your kid leaves for college and presumably never comes back?

The end game is for poster to stay alive to see their kids go to college. Empathy is always a good thing in life.

So you think it is rational to keep up those actions for years/decades? Despite having effective vaccines and treatments?

I really don't understand that at all.

The vaccines are not stopping transmission and not everyone has access to treatments. I got covid a month ago and begged my doctors for something and they said no as they were concerned about side effects and rebound. They said if it got bad enough go to the ER. It got really bad but I couldn't get out of bed to even go to the ER.

I don't understand how you don't get how someone with cancer might be concerned about covid and how you think its no big deal to get covid while in cancer treatment. My kid lost a parent to cancer. Thankfully you have no idea the impact of that.

DP
I have cancer. I’m in chemo right now. And I will never understand the Covid crazies. I mask when indoors when around others. I do not require my kids to or my husband to for that matter. Not everyone who is immunocompromised thinks death is lurking around every corner. Some of us are grounded.

How compassionate and empathetic of you to make your judgments on people when you know nothing about their situations. I don’t know if grounded would be the right word to describe you… but I’ll leave it at that.

No. It’s grounded. I don’t expect anyone else to be responsible for me or my health. That’s grounded.

But your implying others with cancer are “Covid crazies” if they ask their family members to wear masks in crowded places. “Live and let live” is truly grounded.

No. Those people are not Covid crazies. The Covid crazies are the ones who expect strangers to mask to protect them. I have a huge problem with that.

Well that I understand. I’ve got cancer too snd don’t expect strangers to mask.

Then that makes two of us!
Hope your treatment is going well.

Thank you! I wish the same for you.

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Anonymous wrote:So those who feel COVID is still warranting red flags, what would you have all of us do? Never go out? What's your solution if you feel all of us who really don't want to take precautions are too lax? What's the protocol except to um basically limit doing anything out of our house? I truly want to know.

Some people want permanent masking and quarantines. Those are generally people without young kids (or who have a nanny or a SAHP).

So they would want this forever because it's not like this will be going away. So y'all basically want everyone to never go out. That's basically what everyone on this chain is suggesting (who believe Covid is a threat to society). Short if this, I mean, what else is there to say? I'm hoping that this convinces these people that they are totally unrealistic, selfish (more so than all of us who are basically saying live and let live), and at minimum unreasonable. I think the way to approach living in Covid times is just to accept risk and exactly that, continue living. There's no other way short of stopping to live because you're so afraid of not existing. For those immunocompromised, sorry but you just gotta find a way of living with a society where most are not. We deserve ti live our lives.

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Anonymous wrote:So those who feel COVID is still warranting red flags, what would you have all of us do? Never go out? What's your solution if you feel all of us who really don't want to take precautions are too lax? What's the protocol except to um basically limit doing anything out of our house? I truly want to know.

Some people want permanent masking and quarantines. Those are generally people without young kids (or who have a nanny or a SAHP).

So they would want this forever because it's not like this will be going away. So y'all basically want everyone to never go out. That's basically what everyone on this chain is suggesting (who believe Covid is a threat to society). Short if this, I mean, what else is there to say? I'm hoping that this convinces these people that they are totally unrealistic, selfish (more so than all of us who are basically saying live and let live), and at minimum unreasonable. I think the way to approach living in Covid times is just to accept risk and exactly that, continue living. There's no other way short of stopping to live because you're so afraid of not existing. For those immunocompromised, sorry but you just gotta find a way of living with a society where most are not. We deserve ti live our lives.

I don’t think the majority of the people pushing for restrictions are actually immunocompromised. People that are actually immunocompromised had to accept these risks before Covid, particularly during flu season.

The people pushing mask mandates and quarantines seem to mostly be hypochondriacs with anxiety disorders.