Johnny Depp trial in Fairfax County

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Anonymous wrote:So Depp's attys said this psychologist was going to issue a number of damaging opinions (that Heard was lying about having suffered domestic abuse or lying that Depp abused Heard, etc) that she never arrives at or testifies to.

For all the prior complaints about the proliferation of pro-Depp commentary on the internet, this board certainly seems to have a lot of anti-Depp/pro-Amber posters offering pro-Amber spin to everything that happens...

Any comment that isn't dripping with sympathy for Depp is labeled a pro Amber spin.

He has nothing, he lost a defamation suit in the UK. It is much easier to win defamation suits there. It is extremely hard to win them here, especially against public figures. There is almost no chance he prevails.

So?

Is his point to win or to clear his name? We don’t know.

He can't clear his name and he's broke and unemployable. This is a lost case.

The thing is, he’s not unemployable. Hollywood loves him (or used to love him) and they love a redemption story. It’s up to him whether he wants to get serious about getting cleaned up and pursuing it. I don’t think he is. He’s always kind of had this “I don’t care about being an actor” thing that used to be part of his appeal.

He may lose the case but there are a lot more people sympathetic to what he went through and willing to acknowledge he’s not the bad guy. The opportunity for redemption is right there. It won’t even be particularly hares if he cleans up, that is.

My brother is an entertainment attorney in LA. He's finished. He can't get insurance and nobody will step in to cover for him because he aired the dirty laundry and upset too many people in the industry. He's a huge liability and hasn't been making enough money for the studio in a while.

Can you explain what this insurance is, and why he can't get it?

DP. Making movies is incredibly expensive. INCREDIBLY expensive. Most movie production sets are insured so say, they lost a month of filming to a hurricane, the studio isn't totally out. Almost all big actors get insurance because its incredibly expensive if something happens to an actor mid film. Like say, they injure their finger and shut down production for four weeks.

These insurance companies evaluate movie projects the same way your car insurance evaluates you. Johnny Depp is like a 22 year old boy with 5 DUIs. They won't insure him to drive.

Did he screw up production in one of his last movies?

Yes, he cost Disney $$$$$$$ on pirates 4. The hand incident happened then and shut down production for a month. And that was AFTER showing up hours late and frequently drunk for much of the rest of filming. And like every SINGLE hour on a set matters and costs money.

Gee, his BPD wife cut his finger off. He was going through a rough relationship that's ended now. I don't see how that moment in time can be held against him.

It wasn't "that moment in time." It was part of a consistent pattern of behavior that had been going on for years. Listen, I think she is a total POS, but his issues with being uninsurable and unreliable and showing up on set drunk and drugged out of his mind also pre-dated her, and that's what this lawsuit is about. That "moment in time" was the final straw for the money men, and everyone isn't owed a 4th, 5th, 6th, 7, 8th, 9th, 10th, etc. shot to make millions.

Maybe, but as the talent agent testified yesterday, Heard's accusations could be why he was dropped. The agent said he was frequently late, but people worked around it.

Tell me you don't work in movies without telling me you don't work in movies. His lateness and unreliability on set was a building problem. Pirates was the straw that broke the camels back. AT the end of the day the people with the pursestrings don't care how mean someone was to you, they care if you can make them money. Johnny Depp started costing them more than he made them, that is truly the bottom line.

Tell me you don't pay attention without telling me you don't pay attention. The lateness and unreliability were the constant. Heard's accusations of DV were the variable and "straw that broke the camels back," according to the agent's testimony. Yes, they cared about how much money they were making. Until the accusations, the balance weighed in favor of casting him. That's the argument, at least.

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Anonymous wrote:So Depp's attys said this psychologist was going to issue a number of damaging opinions (that Heard was lying about having suffered domestic abuse or lying that Depp abused Heard, etc) that she never arrives at or testifies to.

For all the prior complaints about the proliferation of pro-Depp commentary on the internet, this board certainly seems to have a lot of anti-Depp/pro-Amber posters offering pro-Amber spin to everything that happens...

Any comment that isn't dripping with sympathy for Depp is labeled a pro Amber spin.

He has nothing, he lost a defamation suit in the UK. It is much easier to win defamation suits there. It is extremely hard to win them here, especially against public figures. There is almost no chance he prevails.

So?

Is his point to win or to clear his name? We don’t know.

He can't clear his name and he's broke and unemployable. This is a lost case.

The thing is, he’s not unemployable. Hollywood loves him (or used to love him) and they love a redemption story. It’s up to him whether he wants to get serious about getting cleaned up and pursuing it. I don’t think he is. He’s always kind of had this “I don’t care about being an actor” thing that used to be part of his appeal.

He may lose the case but there are a lot more people sympathetic to what he went through and willing to acknowledge he’s not the bad guy. The opportunity for redemption is right there. It won’t even be particularly hares if he cleans up, that is.

When was the last redemption story of someone at his age? Hollywood is youth obsessed. He’s a bloated old man in his late 50s. He’s not RDJ getting over a drug habit in his 20s. He’s a man that was on the tail end of his career who happened to cheat with the wrong crazy at that time. I will never understand why he is pursuing a legal action he can’t win. All of this just continues to force him to be connected to this woman he claims he hates.

First of all, if he cleaned up he’d likely lose some of the weight and bloat. He still has amazing bone structure. Most importantly he is a talented actor. He’s never needed youthful roles to display that talent as he always shied away from leading man roles. One of his best performances was under a bunch of aging prosthetics. He doesn’t need to be Iron Man (those movies were never his bag) and he doesn’t need to be Channing Tatum. He needs a great performance in an acclaimed movie, which is not likely to be a Hollywood blockbuster with lots of explosions and marvel characters anyway. And he is capable of it.

There’s a huge middle ground between “unemployable” and “biggest leading man in Hollywood”. He never wanted the latter in the first place. Jack Sparrow was double-edged for him. It might not ever reach those heights again but he can have a career. Mel Gibson still work, for Christ’s sake. He may not be Lethal Weapon anymore but he can work.

Puh-leeaze. He’s not that talented. You’re acting like he was Daniel Day Lewis. He was doing big budget fluff films because he’s not that talented. Mel Gibson had an academy award for best director 10+ years before he was exposed as a POS and his comeback came in making his own movies. Johnny can’t do that because he is not that talented.

Johnny Depp had Brad Pitt level fame/recognition. And hey, Brad Pitt had a nasty episode with alcohol and his family and a prolonged divorce case where the public sentiment was against his ex wife.

Brad Pitt is fine, back to being america's sweetheart, given his second chance (third if you count the aniston debacle), and riding high off a great cameo in a big film and running his own production studio. Despite that family situation appearing quite bad still.

Brad Pitt doesn't cost studios money, he makes them. Brad Pitt tried to keep it all as private as possible and used the press in strategic and calculated ways to influence public opinion. Brad Pitt was never so out of control that there were a bunch of videos of him raging, or absolutely trashed hotel rooms, to fill the papers with.

Depp might not have been oscar talented, but he was/is VERY VERY famous. He is the type of name that gets people to go to the movies, which is type of movie star that is not as common as it was in the 90s/00s. He was a Tim Burton muse and Pirates should have set him up for life and was then even given an in into the Potter franchise to help him recoup all the Pirates money he had blown on drugs.

1. Brad Pitt still looks good and his substance issues never interfered with his work to the extent that Johnny Depp’s did
2. Johnny Depp WAS a box office draw. But who is his fan base now?
3. Does Brad Pitt really star in anything anymore? He seems like it’s pretty much all supporting roles. And he wisely expanded into other ventures, namely producing great films like Moonlight and 12 years a slave, which allows aging actors to maintain relevance and network.

But I do agree that had Johnny Depp not dragged out this whole thing with Amber people would have forgotten it. Every time
He sues her it literally just reminds people of what she said.

I meant he bolded is kind of my point. Brad Pitt held himself together and is now totally fine. JD spiraled out of control and is acting like its her fault when if he could just get it together, he'd be fine too. Rehab, a couple years seeming stable, a sympathetic interview, voila. Brad Pitt is headlining a movie this summer (Bullet Train), has a huge high profile cameo in the big Sandra Bullock/Channing Tatum movie and starred in Ad Astra and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood in 2019. He took a few years off there when his life was going to crap, but is back making and producing movies prolifically now.

Based on this trial he seems to still have plenty of fans. People still buy Chris Brown's music.

My point is that you can’t put the genie back in the bottle. If he had held it together like Brad did maybe. But he didn’t. You can’t cost the studio money by showing up drunk and causing a lot of drama at work and then be like “I’m clean now” for the thousandth time at 58 and all is forgiven. And 90% of why Chris Brown is able to record music now is because Rihanna publicly forgave him and dated him again (which was a mistake). That’s not really an option here.

Yes screw ups can in fact put the genie back in the bottle. Let's look at Justin Bieber. Total screw up repeat disastrous infractions. Distant memory today. Lindsay Lohan just got a netflix deal for two movies! Hollywood wants to make money. It is easy to make money off of comeback kid stories of beloved actors and musicians. Amy Winehouse was pushed out on stage until the day she died. As long as someone will pay to see them, someone will pay them.

It won't happen, but I absolutely have zero doubt that if after this, Depp checked himself into Promises in Malibu and then laid low for a year and did a big interview about his path to sobriety a year later he would be back in theaters by 2025. NO doubt. The path is well worn with celebrities and their drug addictions and the industry built to keep them going long enough to extract all the juice from their fruit.

Again you are listing people who are decades younger than him and closer in age to his children. Yes, people who do stupid things for a few years when they are teens can get another bite at the apple. But when it has been literal decades of drinking and then multiple years of a long protracted legal battle that is continuously exposing that fact you can’t turn it around. He’s basically where Marlon Brando was at the end of his career with less talent. I also don’t get the Lindsay Lohan example like even with a Netflix deal her career is nowhere near what it was.

I don't understand why you are so focused on this crap. I have given you buckets of examples, you are just finding fault with all of them because you want to believe he has no path to redemption? I GUARANTEE you if Lohan's netflix stuff goes smoothly and she wants it, she can be back in big movies too, she just has to demonstrate that she can keep it together. She was given a TON of chances before they really gave up on her. And like Depp, she has friends in high places that would love to help her if she wants to be helped (Tina Fey etc)

I think he's a POS addict for the record. I'm not defending him. I don't think she behaved well in this relationship either, but I think for sure he got drunk and violent and just doesn't remember it. A lot of abusive relationships are mutually abusive and toxic. But being 'cancelled' is really overblown, the only people who have really been cancelled are the ones who went to jail. Depp isn't in jail. He is choosing to go more in the financial hole, no one is deciding that other than him. If he had competent PR representation he would be able to turn this around.

I think you guys WANT to believe she ruined him or something. No sorry his future is still well and truly in his own hands. He is FOR SURE in the upper echelon of Hollywood and beloved stars that will have someone willing to give them a chance until they die of an OD. He was wrecking hotel rooms and showing up late in the 90s. This isn't really NEW behavior, it is just an escalation. Which is what happens when your addiction spirals out of control.

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Anonymous wrote:So Depp's attys said this psychologist was going to issue a number of damaging opinions (that Heard was lying about having suffered domestic abuse or lying that Depp abused Heard, etc) that she never arrives at or testifies to.

For all the prior complaints about the proliferation of pro-Depp commentary on the internet, this board certainly seems to have a lot of anti-Depp/pro-Amber posters offering pro-Amber spin to everything that happens...

Any comment that isn't dripping with sympathy for Depp is labeled a pro Amber spin.

He has nothing, he lost a defamation suit in the UK. It is much easier to win defamation suits there. It is extremely hard to win them here, especially against public figures. There is almost no chance he prevails.

So?

Is his point to win or to clear his name? We don’t know.

He can't clear his name and he's broke and unemployable. This is a lost case.

The thing is, he’s not unemployable. Hollywood loves him (or used to love him) and they love a redemption story. It’s up to him whether he wants to get serious about getting cleaned up and pursuing it. I don’t think he is. He’s always kind of had this “I don’t care about being an actor” thing that used to be part of his appeal.

He may lose the case but there are a lot more people sympathetic to what he went through and willing to acknowledge he’s not the bad guy. The opportunity for redemption is right there. It won’t even be particularly hares if he cleans up, that is.

My brother is an entertainment attorney in LA. He's finished. He can't get insurance and nobody will step in to cover for him because he aired the dirty laundry and upset too many people in the industry. He's a huge liability and hasn't been making enough money for the studio in a while.

Can you explain what this insurance is, and why he can't get it?

DP. Making movies is incredibly expensive. INCREDIBLY expensive. Most movie production sets are insured so say, they lost a month of filming to a hurricane, the studio isn't totally out. Almost all big actors get insurance because its incredibly expensive if something happens to an actor mid film. Like say, they injure their finger and shut down production for four weeks.

These insurance companies evaluate movie projects the same way your car insurance evaluates you. Johnny Depp is like a 22 year old boy with 5 DUIs. They won't insure him to drive.

Did he screw up production in one of his last movies?

Yes, he cost Disney $$$$$$$ on pirates 4. The hand incident happened then and shut down production for a month. And that was AFTER showing up hours late and frequently drunk for much of the rest of filming. And like every SINGLE hour on a set matters and costs money.

Gee, his BPD wife cut his finger off. He was going through a rough relationship that's ended now. I don't see how that moment in time can be held against him.

It wasn't "that moment in time." It was part of a consistent pattern of behavior that had been going on for years. Listen, I think she is a total POS, but his issues with being uninsurable and unreliable and showing up on set drunk and drugged out of his mind also pre-dated her, and that's what this lawsuit is about. That "moment in time" was the final straw for the money men, and everyone isn't owed a 4th, 5th, 6th, 7, 8th, 9th, 10th, etc. shot to make millions.

Maybe, but as the talent agent testified yesterday, Heard's accusations could be why he was dropped. The agent said he was frequently late, but people worked around it.

Tell me you don't work in movies without telling me you don't work in movies. His lateness and unreliability on set was a building problem. Pirates was the straw that broke the camels back. AT the end of the day the people with the pursestrings don't care how mean someone was to you, they care if you can make them money. Johnny Depp started costing them more than he made them, that is truly the bottom line.

Tell me you don't pay attention without telling me you don't pay attention. The lateness and unreliability were the constant. Heard's accusations of DV were the variable and "straw that broke the camels back," according to the agent's testimony. Yes, they cared about how much money they were making. Until the accusations, the balance weighed in favor of casting him. That's the argument, at least.

They were an ESCALATING problem. In the past he was living the rock star life, showing up late but competent on set and still super hot. Then he got a taste of the big pirates money, his addiction got worse, set problems got worse, behavior got worse, he got less hot, he stopped looking for interesting movies so was only making pirates and all those problems got WORSE. And yes eventually flipped the mathematical calculation.

Ask Ben Affleck if its possible to pull your crap back together, get hot again, and start making a lot of movie money when you clean up. It is.

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Anonymous wrote:So Depp's attys said this psychologist was going to issue a number of damaging opinions (that Heard was lying about having suffered domestic abuse or lying that Depp abused Heard, etc) that she never arrives at or testifies to.

For all the prior complaints about the proliferation of pro-Depp commentary on the internet, this board certainly seems to have a lot of anti-Depp/pro-Amber posters offering pro-Amber spin to everything that happens...

Any comment that isn't dripping with sympathy for Depp is labeled a pro Amber spin.

He has nothing, he lost a defamation suit in the UK. It is much easier to win defamation suits there. It is extremely hard to win them here, especially against public figures. There is almost no chance he prevails.

So?

Is his point to win or to clear his name? We don’t know.

He can't clear his name and he's broke and unemployable. This is a lost case.

The thing is, he’s not unemployable. Hollywood loves him (or used to love him) and they love a redemption story. It’s up to him whether he wants to get serious about getting cleaned up and pursuing it. I don’t think he is. He’s always kind of had this “I don’t care about being an actor” thing that used to be part of his appeal.

He may lose the case but there are a lot more people sympathetic to what he went through and willing to acknowledge he’s not the bad guy. The opportunity for redemption is right there. It won’t even be particularly hares if he cleans up, that is.

My brother is an entertainment attorney in LA. He's finished. He can't get insurance and nobody will step in to cover for him because he aired the dirty laundry and upset too many people in the industry. He's a huge liability and hasn't been making enough money for the studio in a while.

Can you explain what this insurance is, and why he can't get it?

DP. Making movies is incredibly expensive. INCREDIBLY expensive. Most movie production sets are insured so say, they lost a month of filming to a hurricane, the studio isn't totally out. Almost all big actors get insurance because its incredibly expensive if something happens to an actor mid film. Like say, they injure their finger and shut down production for four weeks.

These insurance companies evaluate movie projects the same way your car insurance evaluates you. Johnny Depp is like a 22 year old boy with 5 DUIs. They won't insure him to drive.

Did he screw up production in one of his last movies?

Yes, he cost Disney $$$$$$$ on pirates 4. The hand incident happened then and shut down production for a month. And that was AFTER showing up hours late and frequently drunk for much of the rest of filming. And like every SINGLE hour on a set matters and costs money.

Gee, his BPD wife cut his finger off. He was going through a rough relationship that's ended now. I don't see how that moment in time can be held against him.

It wasn't "that moment in time." It was part of a consistent pattern of behavior that had been going on for years. Listen, I think she is a total POS, but his issues with being uninsurable and unreliable and showing up on set drunk and drugged out of his mind also pre-dated her, and that's what this lawsuit is about. That "moment in time" was the final straw for the money men, and everyone isn't owed a 4th, 5th, 6th, 7, 8th, 9th, 10th, etc. shot to make millions.

Maybe, but as the talent agent testified yesterday, Heard's accusations could be why he was dropped. The agent said he was frequently late, but people worked around it.

Tell me you don't work in movies without telling me you don't work in movies. His lateness and unreliability on set was a building problem. Pirates was the straw that broke the camels back. AT the end of the day the people with the pursestrings don't care how mean someone was to you, they care if you can make them money. Johnny Depp started costing them more than he made them, that is truly the bottom line.

Tell me you don't pay attention without telling me you don't pay attention. The lateness and unreliability were the constant. Heard's accusations of DV were the variable and "straw that broke the camels back," according to the agent's testimony. Yes, they cared about how much money they were making. Until the accusations, the balance weighed in favor of casting him. That's the argument, at least.

They were an ESCALATING problem. In the past he was living the rock star life, showing up late but competent on set and still super hot. Then he got a taste of the big pirates money, his addiction got worse, set problems got worse, behavior got worse, he got less hot, he stopped looking for interesting movies so was only making pirates and all those problems got WORSE. And yes eventually flipped the mathematical calculation.

Ask Ben Affleck if its possible to pull your crap back together, get hot again, and start making a lot of movie money when you clean up. It is.

He's played plenty of characters that were not supposed to be "hot." Mad Hatter? Willy Wonka? Scissorhands?

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Anonymous wrote:So Depp's attys said this psychologist was going to issue a number of damaging opinions (that Heard was lying about having suffered domestic abuse or lying that Depp abused Heard, etc) that she never arrives at or testifies to.

For all the prior complaints about the proliferation of pro-Depp commentary on the internet, this board certainly seems to have a lot of anti-Depp/pro-Amber posters offering pro-Amber spin to everything that happens...

Any comment that isn't dripping with sympathy for Depp is labeled a pro Amber spin.

He has nothing, he lost a defamation suit in the UK. It is much easier to win defamation suits there. It is extremely hard to win them here, especially against public figures. There is almost no chance he prevails.

So?

Is his point to win or to clear his name? We don’t know.

He can't clear his name and he's broke and unemployable. This is a lost case.

The thing is, he’s not unemployable. Hollywood loves him (or used to love him) and they love a redemption story. It’s up to him whether he wants to get serious about getting cleaned up and pursuing it. I don’t think he is. He’s always kind of had this “I don’t care about being an actor” thing that used to be part of his appeal.

He may lose the case but there are a lot more people sympathetic to what he went through and willing to acknowledge he’s not the bad guy. The opportunity for redemption is right there. It won’t even be particularly hares if he cleans up, that is.

My brother is an entertainment attorney in LA. He's finished. He can't get insurance and nobody will step in to cover for him because he aired the dirty laundry and upset too many people in the industry. He's a huge liability and hasn't been making enough money for the studio in a while.

Can you explain what this insurance is, and why he can't get it?

DP. Making movies is incredibly expensive. INCREDIBLY expensive. Most movie production sets are insured so say, they lost a month of filming to a hurricane, the studio isn't totally out. Almost all big actors get insurance because its incredibly expensive if something happens to an actor mid film. Like say, they injure their finger and shut down production for four weeks.

These insurance companies evaluate movie projects the same way your car insurance evaluates you. Johnny Depp is like a 22 year old boy with 5 DUIs. They won't insure him to drive.

Did he screw up production in one of his last movies?

Yes, he cost Disney $$$$$$$ on pirates 4. The hand incident happened then and shut down production for a month. And that was AFTER showing up hours late and frequently drunk for much of the rest of filming. And like every SINGLE hour on a set matters and costs money.

Gee, his BPD wife cut his finger off. He was going through a rough relationship that's ended now. I don't see how that moment in time can be held against him.

It wasn't "that moment in time." It was part of a consistent pattern of behavior that had been going on for years. Listen, I think she is a total POS, but his issues with being uninsurable and unreliable and showing up on set drunk and drugged out of his mind also pre-dated her, and that's what this lawsuit is about. That "moment in time" was the final straw for the money men, and everyone isn't owed a 4th, 5th, 6th, 7, 8th, 9th, 10th, etc. shot to make millions.

Maybe, but as the talent agent testified yesterday, Heard's accusations could be why he was dropped. The agent said he was frequently late, but people worked around it.

Tell me you don't work in movies without telling me you don't work in movies. His lateness and unreliability on set was a building problem. Pirates was the straw that broke the camels back. AT the end of the day the people with the pursestrings don't care how mean someone was to you, they care if you can make them money. Johnny Depp started costing them more than he made them, that is truly the bottom line.

Tell me you don't pay attention without telling me you don't pay attention. The lateness and unreliability were the constant. Heard's accusations of DV were the variable and "straw that broke the camels back," according to the agent's testimony. Yes, they cared about how much money they were making. Until the accusations, the balance weighed in favor of casting him. That's the argument, at least.

They were an ESCALATING problem. In the past he was living the rock star life, showing up late but competent on set and still super hot. Then he got a taste of the big pirates money, his addiction got worse, set problems got worse, behavior got worse, he got less hot, he stopped looking for interesting movies so was only making pirates and all those problems got WORSE. And yes eventually flipped the mathematical calculation.

Ask Ben Affleck if its possible to pull your crap back together, get hot again, and start making a lot of movie money when you clean up. It is.

He's played plenty of characters that were not supposed to be "hot." Mad Hatter? Willy Wonka? Scissorhands?

Don Juan Demarco (with Marlon Brando)! I loved that movie!

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Anonymous wrote:i think he was smoking and driving!!

Smoking, driving, while being a witness on a video call?!
And why they didn't use court interpreter?

OK, it wasn’t as bad as you are making it sound. He was in his car but at the end of his testimony it looked like he had to move it in whatever parking lot he was in. And he was vaping, I believe, but he rides to do it off camera and not that often. It’s not like he was screaming down the highway with a cigarette dangling from his mouth.

And his testimony was great. He came off very much over it all and just wanting the case to be over so he could be left alone. He is the doorman to the building where Depp owned several penthouses. His testimony was relatable and very much an everyman just telling things like he saw them and not trying to impress anyone with careful answers or legalspeak. He was also very funny even if it wasn’t completely intentional.

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And to the PP, why would they need a court interpreter?

I really liked him. Very relatable with the being over it with the stupid repeated questions.

He said "I don't even remember what I had for breakfast!". Me too, doorman. Me too.

That guy is so relatable! I don't know whether I like his line best or "can we stop talking about the muffins?"

That one was great. My other favorite was the Ben King, the British house manager who said something in cross-examination like “I wasn’t there after I left”. It was so deadpan and funny.

It was funny! He kept such a straight face while saying!

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Anonymous wrote:Do we know where Johnny Depp is staying? Ritz Carlton? A private mansion around here? Any news of sightings?

anyone?

I'm definitely curious about this as well. Fairfax isn't exactly LA, but perhaps there's some giant country home to be rented out that way.

BAHAHAHAHA - WTH do you guys think you live??

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I heard from a pretty reliable source that they are staying at the Gaylord over in Maryland, crazy as that sounds given traffic issues.

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He’s basically where Marlon Brando was at the end of his career with less talent.

Debatable.
Or to quote his agent: "My opinion about Johnny Depp is that he is one of the finest actor of his generation."

Do you think that agent would actually work again if he badmouthed his client or said something less obsequious at trial? "Oh no your honor, this particular client was a piece of sh!t and I'm not afraid to say so." -- say that and what are your other clients going to think about your sense of loyalty?

To those who are saying finest actors of his generation, let's remember: Mortdecai! Pirates of the Caribbean 4 and 5! The Lone Ranger! The Tourist! Lots of other clunkers in here. Frankly I didn't see the point of Pirates 2 or 3 either.

This. A question for those who are more knowledgeable about the law, if Depp wins could the agent be entitled to some of the settlement based off list wages (or sue Heard himself?)

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He’s basically where Marlon Brando was at the end of his career with less talent.

Debatable.
Or to quote his agent: "My opinion about Johnny Depp is that he is one of the finest actor of his generation."

Do you think that agent would actually work again if he badmouthed his client or said something less obsequious at trial? "Oh no your honor, this particular client was a piece of sh!t and I'm not afraid to say so." -- say that and what are your other clients going to think about your sense of loyalty?

To those who are saying finest actors of his generation, let's remember: Mortdecai! Pirates of the Caribbean 4 and 5! The Lone Ranger! The Tourist! Lots of other clunkers in here. Frankly I didn't see the point of Pirates 2 or 3 either.

This. A question for those who are more knowledgeable about the law, if Depp wins could the agent be entitled to some of the settlement based off list wages (or sue Heard himself?)

I'm not saying he's one of the FINEST actors of his generation, I'm saying he's one of the most famous and successful. Those are not the same thing. He is extremely famous on an international scale, has been that famous for decades and got his start as a teenage hearthrob so has an extremely potent nostalgia factor tied to his fame.

He has no chance of winning this case on the merits. The agent, and his family for that matter, have been actively helping his decline by enabling his poor choices for the last decade.

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My biggest takeaway from the coverage is that Depp could easily play Uhtred’s father or other relative in a Last Kingdom film. He looks a lot like an older Alexander Dreymon. Relatedly, did everyone hear that Allison Williams had Dreymon’s baby? Who knew?!?!

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Anonymous wrote:I heard from a pretty reliable source that they are staying at the Gaylord over in Maryland, crazy as that sounds given traffic issues.

Who is the pretty reliable source?

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Anonymous wrote:So Depp's attys said this psychologist was going to issue a number of damaging opinions (that Heard was lying about having suffered domestic abuse or lying that Depp abused Heard, etc) that she never arrives at or testifies to.

For all the prior complaints about the proliferation of pro-Depp commentary on the internet, this board certainly seems to have a lot of anti-Depp/pro-Amber posters offering pro-Amber spin to everything that happens...

Any comment that isn't dripping with sympathy for Depp is labeled a pro Amber spin.

He has nothing, he lost a defamation suit in the UK. It is much easier to win defamation suits there. It is extremely hard to win them here, especially against public figures. There is almost no chance he prevails.

So?

Is his point to win or to clear his name? We don’t know.

He can't clear his name and he's broke and unemployable. This is a lost case.

The thing is, he’s not unemployable. Hollywood loves him (or used to love him) and they love a redemption story. It’s up to him whether he wants to get serious about getting cleaned up and pursuing it. I don’t think he is. He’s always kind of had this “I don’t care about being an actor” thing that used to be part of his appeal.

He may lose the case but there are a lot more people sympathetic to what he went through and willing to acknowledge he’s not the bad guy. The opportunity for redemption is right there. It won’t even be particularly hares if he cleans up, that is.

My brother is an entertainment attorney in LA. He's finished. He can't get insurance and nobody will step in to cover for him because he aired the dirty laundry and upset too many people in the industry. He's a huge liability and hasn't been making enough money for the studio in a while.

Can you explain what this insurance is, and why he can't get it?

DP. Making movies is incredibly expensive. INCREDIBLY expensive. Most movie production sets are insured so say, they lost a month of filming to a hurricane, the studio isn't totally out. Almost all big actors get insurance because its incredibly expensive if something happens to an actor mid film. Like say, they injure their finger and shut down production for four weeks.

These insurance companies evaluate movie projects the same way your car insurance evaluates you. Johnny Depp is like a 22 year old boy with 5 DUIs. They won't insure him to drive.

Did he screw up production in one of his last movies?

Yes, he cost Disney $$$$$$$ on pirates 4. The hand incident happened then and shut down production for a month. And that was AFTER showing up hours late and frequently drunk for much of the rest of filming. And like every SINGLE hour on a set matters and costs money.

Gee, his BPD wife cut his finger off. He was going through a rough relationship that's ended now. I don't see how that moment in time can be held against him.

It wasn't "that moment in time." It was part of a consistent pattern of behavior that had been going on for years. Listen, I think she is a total POS, but his issues with being uninsurable and unreliable and showing up on set drunk and drugged out of his mind also pre-dated her, and that's what this lawsuit is about. That "moment in time" was the final straw for the money men, and everyone isn't owed a 4th, 5th, 6th, 7, 8th, 9th, 10th, etc. shot to make millions.

Maybe, but as the talent agent testified yesterday, Heard's accusations could be why he was dropped. The agent said he was frequently late, but people worked around it.

Tell me you don't work in movies without telling me you don't work in movies. His lateness and unreliability on set was a building problem. Pirates was the straw that broke the camels back. AT the end of the day the people with the pursestrings don't care how mean someone was to you, they care if you can make them money. Johnny Depp started costing them more than he made them, that is truly the bottom line.

Tell me you don't pay attention without telling me you don't pay attention. The lateness and unreliability were the constant. Heard's accusations of DV were the variable and "straw that broke the camels back," according to the agent's testimony. Yes, they cared about how much money they were making. Until the accusations, the balance weighed in favor of casting him. That's the argument, at least.

Don't they have direct testimony from the agent giving his opinion that Heard's accusations were responsible for him being dropped by Disney, that he was always late prior to the accusations, and that they adjusted accordingly on set? Has anyone subpoenaed the Disney execs?

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Anonymous wrote:I heard from a pretty reliable source that they are staying at the Gaylord over in Maryland, crazy as that sounds given traffic issues.

if I was going to be over at National Harbor I would stay at the MGM, not the Gaylord, which is a convention center. And the food there is terrible.