Johnny Depp trial in Fairfax County

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I am not watching this circus, but I heard that Depp can't stop laughing at testimonies of Heard's side. That is 100% Narcissists' behavior. Pathetic. She might be one of those too, but that is what NPD does, puts down and laughs at others, as in to say, look not only is she crazy, all the people around her are crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:My biggest takeaway from the coverage is that Depp could easily play Uhtred’s father or other relative in a Last Kingdom film. He looks a lot like an older Alexander Dreymon. Relatedly, did everyone hear that Allison Williams had Dreymon’s baby? Who knew?!?!

That must be a pretty baby.

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Anonymous wrote:I heard from a pretty reliable source that they are staying at the Gaylord over in Maryland, crazy as that sounds given traffic issues.

if I was going to be over at National Harbor I would stay at the MGM, not the Gaylord, which is a convention center. And the food there is terrible.

Nah, the Gaylord has extremely nice presidential suites with water views.

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Anonymous wrote:So Depp's attys said this psychologist was going to issue a number of damaging opinions (that Heard was lying about having suffered domestic abuse or lying that Depp abused Heard, etc) that she never arrives at or testifies to.

For all the prior complaints about the proliferation of pro-Depp commentary on the internet, this board certainly seems to have a lot of anti-Depp/pro-Amber posters offering pro-Amber spin to everything that happens...

Any comment that isn't dripping with sympathy for Depp is labeled a pro Amber spin.

He has nothing, he lost a defamation suit in the UK. It is much easier to win defamation suits there. It is extremely hard to win them here, especially against public figures. There is almost no chance he prevails.

So?

Is his point to win or to clear his name? We don’t know.

He can't clear his name and he's broke and unemployable. This is a lost case.

The thing is, he’s not unemployable. Hollywood loves him (or used to love him) and they love a redemption story. It’s up to him whether he wants to get serious about getting cleaned up and pursuing it. I don’t think he is. He’s always kind of had this “I don’t care about being an actor” thing that used to be part of his appeal.

He may lose the case but there are a lot more people sympathetic to what he went through and willing to acknowledge he’s not the bad guy. The opportunity for redemption is right there. It won’t even be particularly hares if he cleans up, that is.

When was the last redemption story of someone at his age? Hollywood is youth obsessed. He’s a bloated old man in his late 50s. He’s not RDJ getting over a drug habit in his 20s. He’s a man that was on the tail end of his career who happened to cheat with the wrong crazy at that time. I will never understand why he is pursuing a legal action he can’t win. All of this just continues to force him to be connected to this woman he claims he hates.

First of all, if he cleaned up he’d likely lose some of the weight and bloat. He still has amazing bone structure. Most importantly he is a talented actor. He’s never needed youthful roles to display that talent as he always shied away from leading man roles. One of his best performances was under a bunch of aging prosthetics. He doesn’t need to be Iron Man (those movies were never his bag) and he doesn’t need to be Channing Tatum. He needs a great performance in an acclaimed movie, which is not likely to be a Hollywood blockbuster with lots of explosions and marvel characters anyway. And he is capable of it.

There’s a huge middle ground between “unemployable” and “biggest leading man in Hollywood”. He never wanted the latter in the first place. Jack Sparrow was double-edged for him. It might not ever reach those heights again but he can have a career. Mel Gibson still work, for Christ’s sake. He may not be Lethal Weapon anymore but he can work.

Puh-leeaze. He’s not that talented. You’re acting like he was Daniel Day Lewis. He was doing big budget fluff films because he’s not that talented. Mel Gibson had an academy award for best director 10+ years before he was exposed as a POS and his comeback came in making his own movies. Johnny can’t do that because he is not that talented.

Johnny Depp had Brad Pitt level fame/recognition. And hey, Brad Pitt had a nasty episode with alcohol and his family and a prolonged divorce case where the public sentiment was against his ex wife.

Brad Pitt is fine, back to being america's sweetheart, given his second chance (third if you count the aniston debacle), and riding high off a great cameo in a big film and running his own production studio. Despite that family situation appearing quite bad still.

Brad Pitt doesn't cost studios money, he makes them. Brad Pitt tried to keep it all as private as possible and used the press in strategic and calculated ways to influence public opinion. Brad Pitt was never so out of control that there were a bunch of videos of him raging, or absolutely trashed hotel rooms, to fill the papers with.

Depp might not have been oscar talented, but he was/is VERY VERY famous. He is the type of name that gets people to go to the movies, which is type of movie star that is not as common as it was in the 90s/00s. He was a Tim Burton muse and Pirates should have set him up for life and was then even given an in into the Potter franchise to help him recoup all the Pirates money he had blown on drugs.

1. Brad Pitt still looks good and his substance issues never interfered with his work to the extent that Johnny Depp’s did
2. Johnny Depp WAS a box office draw. But who is his fan base now?
3. Does Brad Pitt really star in anything anymore? He seems like it’s pretty much all supporting roles. And he wisely expanded into other ventures, namely producing great films like Moonlight and 12 years a slave, which allows aging actors to maintain relevance and network.

But I do agree that had Johnny Depp not dragged out this whole thing with Amber people would have forgotten it. Every time
He sues her it literally just reminds people of what she said.

I meant he bolded is kind of my point. Brad Pitt held himself together and is now totally fine. JD spiraled out of control and is acting like its her fault when if he could just get it together, he'd be fine too. Rehab, a couple years seeming stable, a sympathetic interview, voila. Brad Pitt is headlining a movie this summer (Bullet Train), has a huge high profile cameo in the big Sandra Bullock/Channing Tatum movie and starred in Ad Astra and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood in 2019. He took a few years off there when his life was going to crap, but is back making and producing movies prolifically now.

Based on this trial he seems to still have plenty of fans. People still buy Chris Brown's music.

My point is that you can’t put the genie back in the bottle. If he had held it together like Brad did maybe. But he didn’t. You can’t cost the studio money by showing up drunk and causing a lot of drama at work and then be like “I’m clean now” for the thousandth time at 58 and all is forgiven. And 90% of why Chris Brown is able to record music now is because Rihanna publicly forgave him and dated him again (which was a mistake). That’s not really an option here.

Yes screw ups can in fact put the genie back in the bottle. Let's look at Justin Bieber. Total screw up repeat disastrous infractions. Distant memory today. Lindsay Lohan just got a netflix deal for two movies! Hollywood wants to make money. It is easy to make money off of comeback kid stories of beloved actors and musicians. Amy Winehouse was pushed out on stage until the day she died. As long as someone will pay to see them, someone will pay them.

It won't happen, but I absolutely have zero doubt that if after this, Depp checked himself into Promises in Malibu and then laid low for a year and did a big interview about his path to sobriety a year later he would be back in theaters by 2025. NO doubt. The path is well worn with celebrities and their drug addictions and the industry built to keep them going long enough to extract all the juice from their fruit.

Again you are listing people who are decades younger than him and closer in age to his children. Yes, people who do stupid things for a few years when they are teens can get another bite at the apple. But when it has been literal decades of drinking and then multiple years of a long protracted legal battle that is continuously exposing that fact you can’t turn it around. He’s basically where Marlon Brando was at the end of his career with less talent. I also don’t get the Lindsay Lohan example like even with a Netflix deal her career is nowhere near what it was.

I don't understand why you are so focused on this crap. I have given you buckets of examples, you are just finding fault with all of them because you want to believe he has no path to redemption? I GUARANTEE you if Lohan's netflix stuff goes smoothly and she wants it, she can be back in big movies too, she just has to demonstrate that she can keep it together. She was given a TON of chances before they really gave up on her. And like Depp, she has friends in high places that would love to help her if she wants to be helped (Tina Fey etc)

I think he's a POS addict for the record. I'm not defending him. I don't think she behaved well in this relationship either, but I think for sure he got drunk and violent and just doesn't remember it. A lot of abusive relationships are mutually abusive and toxic. But being 'cancelled' is really overblown, the only people who have really been cancelled are the ones who went to jail. Depp isn't in jail. He is choosing to go more in the financial hole, no one is deciding that other than him. If he had competent PR representation he would be able to turn this around.

I think you guys WANT to believe she ruined him or something. No sorry his future is still well and truly in his own hands. He is FOR SURE in the upper echelon of Hollywood and beloved stars that will have someone willing to give them a chance until they die of an OD. He was wrecking hotel rooms and showing up late in the 90s. This isn't really NEW behavior, it is just an escalation. Which is what happens when your addiction spirals out of control.

I don’t want to believe she ruined him because my whole point is he didn’t. He ruined himself and I think it’s delusional to think he’s going to make a comeback. It’s not that he’s cancelled because that’s not a real barrier. Dave Chapelle has been “cancelled” a bunch but will keep getting work because he makes money. I think that Amber is a terrible person but I don’t think that he can behave unprofessionally for decades and then blame all of his career woes on his side piece turned wife five years ago. If you can give me one example of someone with a comeback from actually being fired that isn’t 20 years younger than him maybe I would believe he could get back on track but I just don’t buy it. But I hate that JD is used as an example of what “cancel culture” can do when he’s really nothing of the sort.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not watching this circus, but I heard that Depp can't stop laughing at testimonies of Heard's side. That is 100% Narcissists' behavior. Pathetic. She might be one of those too, but that is what NPD does, puts down and laughs at others, as in to say, look not only is she crazy, all the people around her are crazy.

He is only chuckling at the parts that make everyone laugh. It’s pretty ridiculous at times.

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Anonymous wrote:So Depp's attys said this psychologist was going to issue a number of damaging opinions (that Heard was lying about having suffered domestic abuse or lying that Depp abused Heard, etc) that she never arrives at or testifies to.

For all the prior complaints about the proliferation of pro-Depp commentary on the internet, this board certainly seems to have a lot of anti-Depp/pro-Amber posters offering pro-Amber spin to everything that happens...

Any comment that isn't dripping with sympathy for Depp is labeled a pro Amber spin.

He has nothing, he lost a defamation suit in the UK. It is much easier to win defamation suits there. It is extremely hard to win them here, especially against public figures. There is almost no chance he prevails.

So?

Is his point to win or to clear his name? We don’t know.

He can't clear his name and he's broke and unemployable. This is a lost case.

The thing is, he’s not unemployable. Hollywood loves him (or used to love him) and they love a redemption story. It’s up to him whether he wants to get serious about getting cleaned up and pursuing it. I don’t think he is. He’s always kind of had this “I don’t care about being an actor” thing that used to be part of his appeal.

He may lose the case but there are a lot more people sympathetic to what he went through and willing to acknowledge he’s not the bad guy. The opportunity for redemption is right there. It won’t even be particularly hares if he cleans up, that is.

When was the last redemption story of someone at his age? Hollywood is youth obsessed. He’s a bloated old man in his late 50s. He’s not RDJ getting over a drug habit in his 20s. He’s a man that was on the tail end of his career who happened to cheat with the wrong crazy at that time. I will never understand why he is pursuing a legal action he can’t win. All of this just continues to force him to be connected to this woman he claims he hates.

First of all, if he cleaned up he’d likely lose some of the weight and bloat. He still has amazing bone structure. Most importantly he is a talented actor. He’s never needed youthful roles to display that talent as he always shied away from leading man roles. One of his best performances was under a bunch of aging prosthetics. He doesn’t need to be Iron Man (those movies were never his bag) and he doesn’t need to be Channing Tatum. He needs a great performance in an acclaimed movie, which is not likely to be a Hollywood blockbuster with lots of explosions and marvel characters anyway. And he is capable of it.

There’s a huge middle ground between “unemployable” and “biggest leading man in Hollywood”. He never wanted the latter in the first place. Jack Sparrow was double-edged for him. It might not ever reach those heights again but he can have a career. Mel Gibson still work, for Christ’s sake. He may not be Lethal Weapon anymore but he can work.

Puh-leeaze. He’s not that talented. You’re acting like he was Daniel Day Lewis. He was doing big budget fluff films because he’s not that talented. Mel Gibson had an academy award for best director 10+ years before he was exposed as a POS and his comeback came in making his own movies. Johnny can’t do that because he is not that talented.

Johnny Depp had Brad Pitt level fame/recognition. And hey, Brad Pitt had a nasty episode with alcohol and his family and a prolonged divorce case where the public sentiment was against his ex wife.

Brad Pitt is fine, back to being america's sweetheart, given his second chance (third if you count the aniston debacle), and riding high off a great cameo in a big film and running his own production studio. Despite that family situation appearing quite bad still.

Brad Pitt doesn't cost studios money, he makes them. Brad Pitt tried to keep it all as private as possible and used the press in strategic and calculated ways to influence public opinion. Brad Pitt was never so out of control that there were a bunch of videos of him raging, or absolutely trashed hotel rooms, to fill the papers with.

Depp might not have been oscar talented, but he was/is VERY VERY famous. He is the type of name that gets people to go to the movies, which is type of movie star that is not as common as it was in the 90s/00s. He was a Tim Burton muse and Pirates should have set him up for life and was then even given an in into the Potter franchise to help him recoup all the Pirates money he had blown on drugs.

1. Brad Pitt still looks good and his substance issues never interfered with his work to the extent that Johnny Depp’s did
2. Johnny Depp WAS a box office draw. But who is his fan base now?
3. Does Brad Pitt really star in anything anymore? He seems like it’s pretty much all supporting roles. And he wisely expanded into other ventures, namely producing great films like Moonlight and 12 years a slave, which allows aging actors to maintain relevance and network.

But I do agree that had Johnny Depp not dragged out this whole thing with Amber people would have forgotten it. Every time
He sues her it literally just reminds people of what she said.

I meant he bolded is kind of my point. Brad Pitt held himself together and is now totally fine. JD spiraled out of control and is acting like its her fault when if he could just get it together, he'd be fine too. Rehab, a couple years seeming stable, a sympathetic interview, voila. Brad Pitt is headlining a movie this summer (Bullet Train), has a huge high profile cameo in the big Sandra Bullock/Channing Tatum movie and starred in Ad Astra and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood in 2019. He took a few years off there when his life was going to crap, but is back making and producing movies prolifically now.

Based on this trial he seems to still have plenty of fans. People still buy Chris Brown's music.

My point is that you can’t put the genie back in the bottle. If he had held it together like Brad did maybe. But he didn’t. You can’t cost the studio money by showing up drunk and causing a lot of drama at work and then be like “I’m clean now” for the thousandth time at 58 and all is forgiven. And 90% of why Chris Brown is able to record music now is because Rihanna publicly forgave him and dated him again (which was a mistake). That’s not really an option here.

Yes screw ups can in fact put the genie back in the bottle. Let's look at Justin Bieber. Total screw up repeat disastrous infractions. Distant memory today. Lindsay Lohan just got a netflix deal for two movies! Hollywood wants to make money. It is easy to make money off of comeback kid stories of beloved actors and musicians. Amy Winehouse was pushed out on stage until the day she died. As long as someone will pay to see them, someone will pay them.

It won't happen, but I absolutely have zero doubt that if after this, Depp checked himself into Promises in Malibu and then laid low for a year and did a big interview about his path to sobriety a year later he would be back in theaters by 2025. NO doubt. The path is well worn with celebrities and their drug addictions and the industry built to keep them going long enough to extract all the juice from their fruit.

Again you are listing people who are decades younger than him and closer in age to his children. Yes, people who do stupid things for a few years when they are teens can get another bite at the apple. But when it has been literal decades of drinking and then multiple years of a long protracted legal battle that is continuously exposing that fact you can’t turn it around. He’s basically where Marlon Brando was at the end of his career with less talent. I also don’t get the Lindsay Lohan example like even with a Netflix deal her career is nowhere near what it was.

I don't understand why you are so focused on this crap. I have given you buckets of examples, you are just finding fault with all of them because you want to believe he has no path to redemption? I GUARANTEE you if Lohan's netflix stuff goes smoothly and she wants it, she can be back in big movies too, she just has to demonstrate that she can keep it together. She was given a TON of chances before they really gave up on her. And like Depp, she has friends in high places that would love to help her if she wants to be helped (Tina Fey etc)

I think he's a POS addict for the record. I'm not defending him. I don't think she behaved well in this relationship either, but I think for sure he got drunk and violent and just doesn't remember it. A lot of abusive relationships are mutually abusive and toxic. But being 'cancelled' is really overblown, the only people who have really been cancelled are the ones who went to jail. Depp isn't in jail. He is choosing to go more in the financial hole, no one is deciding that other than him. If he had competent PR representation he would be able to turn this around.

I think you guys WANT to believe she ruined him or something. No sorry his future is still well and truly in his own hands. He is FOR SURE in the upper echelon of Hollywood and beloved stars that will have someone willing to give them a chance until they die of an OD. He was wrecking hotel rooms and showing up late in the 90s. This isn't really NEW behavior, it is just an escalation. Which is what happens when your addiction spirals out of control.

I don’t want to believe she ruined him because my whole point is he didn’t. He ruined himself and I think it’s delusional to think he’s going to make a comeback. It’s not that he’s cancelled because that’s not a real barrier. Dave Chapelle has been “cancelled” a bunch but will keep getting work because he makes money. I think that Amber is a terrible person but I don’t think that he can behave unprofessionally for decades and then blame all of his career woes on his side piece turned wife five years ago. If you can give me one example of someone with a comeback from actually being fired that isn’t 20 years younger than him maybe I would believe he could get back on track but I just don’t buy it. But I hate that JD is used as an example of what “cancel culture” can do when he’s really nothing of the sort.

Oh well we should not be arguing because we basically agree on everything other than his chance at a comeback. And my belief about that isn't because I like him, I just because I don't believe anyone in Hollywood is TRULY cut off unless they are at like, Cosby levels of disgrace. A drug addict can ALWAYS get back on their feet and make an exec some more money.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not watching this circus, but I heard that Depp can't stop laughing at testimonies of Heard's side. That is 100% Narcissists' behavior. Pathetic. She might be one of those too, but that is what NPD does, puts down and laughs at others, as in to say, look not only is she crazy, all the people around her are crazy.

Oh, for heavens sake. You said it all when you said “you’re not watching the circus”. So I’m sorry, but what do you know? He’s merely smiling or chuckling at things that are objectively amusing and that others are smiling at as well. Some of it is legitimately funny. He is not behaving inappropriately at all.

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Apparently Amber only gave the ACLU 350k after promising them 3.5 million. Interestingly enough she made Elon Musk give them 500k on her behalf. So much for being charitable.

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Anonymous wrote:Apparently Amber only gave the ACLU 350k after promising them 3.5 million. Interestingly enough she made Elon Musk give them 500k on her behalf. So much for being charitable.

Maybe the rest is wrapped up in lawyer fees since Depp won’t drop this hopeless case.

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Anonymous wrote:Apparently Amber only gave the ACLU 350k after promising them 3.5 million. Interestingly enough she made Elon Musk give them 500k on her behalf. So much for being charitable.

Maybe the rest is wrapped up in lawyer fees since Depp won’t drop this hopeless case.

sure.

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Anonymous wrote:I heard from a pretty reliable source that they are staying at the Gaylord over in Maryland, crazy as that sounds given traffic issues.

if I was going to be over at National Harbor I would stay at the MGM, not the Gaylord, which is a convention center. And the food there is terrible.

Nah, the Gaylord has extremely nice presidential suites with water views.

The MGM has better ones, with water views. Just go to their website.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not watching this circus, but I heard that Depp can't stop laughing at testimonies of Heard's side. That is 100% Narcissists' behavior. Pathetic. She might be one of those too, but that is what NPD does, puts down and laughs at others, as in to say, look not only is she crazy, all the people around her are crazy.

You aren’t watching it but have an opinion without knowing what he laughed at. Okay.

Great.

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Anonymous wrote:Apparently Amber only gave the ACLU 350k after promising them 3.5 million. Interestingly enough she made Elon Musk give them 500k on her behalf. So much for being charitable.

Why on Earth did Elon Musk give them $500k? They were not together that long. She is really good at getting money from people.

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Anonymous wrote:I heard from a pretty reliable source that they are staying at the Gaylord over in Maryland, crazy as that sounds given traffic issues.

if I was going to be over at National Harbor I would stay at the MGM, not the Gaylord, which is a convention center. And the food there is terrible.

At least Depp’s sister didn’t have to reserve TWO hotel rooms this time so Depp could hide from Heard.

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Anonymous wrote:Apparently Amber only gave the ACLU 350k after promising them 3.5 million. Interestingly enough she made Elon Musk give them 500k on her behalf. So much for being charitable.

Why on Earth did Elon Musk give them $500k? They were not together that long. She is really good at getting money from people.

My guess is he donates to them anyway and didn't care who's name it was under because for him the tax implications aren't that big. It probably scored him points with her. There's a video of them in an elevator and he's all over her.