Looks like a new Gaza war has started

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas was called out by Fatah as being a terrorist organization in 2007.

Urged Gaza residents to overthrow Hamas as they were terrorizing Gaza residents back then.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2007/nov/16/israel

What did Bibi do? Surely the right wing government of Israel would not let a terrorist organization take over Gaza? That would mean no two state solution.

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Anonymous wrote:America is just as much in fear of Israel as the Middle East countries are.

Nothing else could explain the double standards in treatment

Lol. Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. The US wants israel to do the dirty work of keeping the peace in the region without a western country needing to constantly be at war or occupy some country in the region to prevent rampant anti western terrorism.

Israel is a democracy in name only . Netanyahu has been PM for years and years and years now. Longer than Putin or Erdogan have been in office.

Israel does no dirty work for us and they certainly don’t keep the peace. We do the dirty work for them.

The IDF prevents the us military from having to go in everywhere like they did with Iraq and Afghanistan. That’s no small feat.

I’m no supporter of Netanyahu, I’m anti settlement and pro two state solution. Plenty of moderates out there who support Israel’s right to exist alongside a Palestinian state, and see the mutually beneficial relationship our two countries have. I would love to see Netanyahu go and when the dust settles after this war, very possible he’ll be on the chopping block.

Where is everywhere? If we had a more balanced foreign policy and put Israel on check from time to time, we wouldn’t even get the ire and anger from the Middle East period.

Is there a way we can keep a friendship with Israel but also criticize Israel when they are wrong as Obama did once upon a time regarding settlements? Netanyahu backstabbed him to align with Putin who is now aligned with Hamas so I agree he needs to be on worse than a chopping block. He should be tried for corruption in Israeli court and jailed just like Trump should be jailed here

This. Our one sided, heavy handed policy in the ME has led to complete disaster. The 20 year Iraq-Afg war accomplished nothing. The two countries are still in complete shambles and the Taliban is in power. We sank billions and, more importantly, lost thousands of Iraqi, Afghan, and US lives. Iran? Iranians overthrew the Shah and installed a Swiss educated lawyer, political, and writer who wanted to take their oil fields back. Not unreasonable given the US/UK were essentially stealing resources from an impoverished country. We staged a coups, removed Mosaddegh and put the widely unpopular Shah back in so he could continue to starve people while playing the role of Marie Antoinette. People got ANGRY and then came the revolution - which was FAR worse than anything Mosaddegh would've brought. And then we sheltered the Shah and we've had terrible relations with Iran ever since.

And the same scenario plays out in every ME country. We support Israel and their - let's face it - serious mistreatment of the Palestinian peoples which only breeds resentment and hate. The environments that our policies have fostered in the ME have been disastrous. And we haven't learned.

I did appreciate Obama trying to call out Israel for its HR violations, stop illegal settlements, etc. And boy did they turn on us quickly. They are not as strong of an ally as they like to pretend. As long as we support them 100% and keep sending money, they'll keep up the rouse but it is fragile.

Israel is poorly placed in the region. I'm not going to argue rights to exist. It does exist, and it fits unnaturally in the ME. It will spend the next 200 years at war with its larger and more populous neighbors if policy does not change.

+1,000.

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It's truly heartbreaking! All these innocent children in Israel and Gaza and the entire area are paying a horrific price.

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Anonymous wrote:All because of the Big Lie. This is what happens when terrorists declare a Day of Unparalleled Anger.

This is what happens when you let terrorists walk across your border and you respond by targeting refugees convoys and hospitals. Wait till the ground war starts. That will break Egypt neutral support for Israel. You think this is not going to be a sh#t show all through the ME. There will be a total realignment, minimum a few assassinations of heads of state(Saudi and Egypt) and it will not favor Israel.

Now let’s talk about those leftist democrats, BLM and students who support Palestinians. Oh they are so evil and the cause of all these problems for Israel! If only we can silence those people everything will be fine.

Tunisia is a mess. Has been for a long while. I am sorry for the loss of the Torah, but these days of rage are mostly ridiculous spectacle.

The way American Jews feel about Israelis being slaughtered by Hamas is exactly how Muslims around the world feel about Palestinians being slaughtered by Israel.
You don’t understand their pain? It’s the same pain a Jewish person is feeling right now

They feel so badly that they won't help save the civilians still there. Give me a break

Save them how? Egypt tried and IDF bombed the Rafah crossing. America says sorry peeps, we can’t save tax paying American citizens in Gaza but we can send a ship and planes to Israel to ship American citizens out ASAP.

Do you think Tunisia wants to war with Israel so they can bomb Tunisian hospitals and children too?

People have been waiting at the Rafa border for days. Egypt could open it if they wanted to.

If they do, Israel would bomb the crossing again then go a bit further and accidentally bomb a nearby target in Egypt saying it was to bomb Hamas bunkers. The Egyptians know this.

Who knows? If this shitshow keeps continuing , I see worse escalation to continue and with the American presidents comments, he just endangered all our ambassadors in the Middle East with one single comment. Poor Anthony Blinken looked mortified

Egypt and Jordan said straight out they will not take in Palestinians. Did you not know about that, or do you just want to speculate about what Israel would do, like you are deciding on which move to make in a video game?

And everybody in the entire world knows why. Unless Israel explicitly guarantees those potential refugees a right of return then they aren't leaving.

The Palestinians are not going anywhere. Israel is never going to be allowed to deport them. Israel and Palestine are both going to have to somehow learn to live with each other.

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Anonymous wrote:All because of the Big Lie. This is what happens when terrorists declare a Day of Unparalleled Anger.

This is what happens when you let terrorists walk across your border and you respond by targeting refugees convoys and hospitals. Wait till the ground war starts. That will break Egypt neutral support for Israel. You think this is not going to be a sh#t show all through the ME. There will be a total realignment, minimum a few assassinations of heads of state(Saudi and Egypt) and it will not favor Israel.

Now let’s talk about those leftist democrats, BLM and students who support Palestinians. Oh they are so evil and the cause of all these problems for Israel! If only we can silence those people everything will be fine.

Tunisia is a mess. Has been for a long while. I am sorry for the loss of the Torah, but these days of rage are mostly ridiculous spectacle.

The way American Jews feel about Israelis being slaughtered by Hamas is exactly how Muslims around the world feel about Palestinians being slaughtered by Israel.
You don’t understand their pain? It’s the same pain a Jewish person is feeling right now

They feel so badly that they won't help save the civilians still there. Give me a break

Save them how? Egypt tried and IDF bombed the Rafah crossing. America says sorry peeps, we can’t save tax paying American citizens in Gaza but we can send a ship and planes to Israel to ship American citizens out ASAP.

Do you think Tunisia wants to war with Israel so they can bomb Tunisian hospitals and children too?

People have been waiting at the Rafa border for days. Egypt could open it if they wanted to.

If they do, Israel would bomb the crossing again then go a bit further and accidentally bomb a nearby target in Egypt saying it was to bomb Hamas bunkers. The Egyptians know this.

Who knows? If this shitshow keeps continuing , I see worse escalation to continue and with the American presidents comments, he just endangered all our ambassadors in the Middle East with one single comment. Poor Anthony Blinken looked mortified

Egypt and Jordan said straight out they will not take in Palestinians. Did you not know about that, or do you just want to speculate about what Israel would do, like you are deciding on which move to make in a video game?

And everybody in the entire world knows why. Unless Israel explicitly guarantees those potential refugees a right of return then they aren't leaving.

The Palestinians are not going anywhere. Israel is never going to be allowed to deport them. Israel and Palestine are both going to have to somehow learn to live with each other.

I agree. But here's what will happen. In some order, there will be a cease fire, aid will be allowed in to Gaza, and maybe some hostages/prisoners will be exchanged. Things will calm down for six months, or maybe six weeks. And then Hamas will start up again.
If they are going to live together, then people who actually want peace --on both sides-- need to be in power and terrorists need to be imprisoned.

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Anonymous wrote:America is just as much in fear of Israel as the Middle East countries are.

Nothing else could explain the double standards in treatment

Lol. Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. The US wants israel to do the dirty work of keeping the peace in the region without a western country needing to constantly be at war or occupy some country in the region to prevent rampant anti western terrorism.

Israel is a democracy in name only . Netanyahu has been PM for years and years and years now. Longer than Putin or Erdogan have been in office.

Israel does no dirty work for us and they certainly don’t keep the peace. We do the dirty work for them.

The IDF prevents the us military from having to go in everywhere like they did with Iraq and Afghanistan. That’s no small feat.

I’m no supporter of Netanyahu, I’m anti settlement and pro two state solution. Plenty of moderates out there who support Israel’s right to exist alongside a Palestinian state, and see the mutually beneficial relationship our two countries have. I would love to see Netanyahu go and when the dust settles after this war, very possible he’ll be on the chopping block.

Where is everywhere? If we had a more balanced foreign policy and put Israel on check from time to time, we wouldn’t even get the ire and anger from the Middle East period.

Is there a way we can keep a friendship with Israel but also criticize Israel when they are wrong as Obama did once upon a time regarding settlements? Netanyahu backstabbed him to align with Putin who is now aligned with Hamas so I agree he needs to be on worse than a chopping block. He should be tried for corruption in Israeli court and jailed just like Trump should be jailed here

You have got to be kidding. The ME hates us because we have equal rights for women, lgbtq people are accepted, we are jewish, we don’t believe in public beheadings etc. Get a clue.

That’s a false assumption. They hate us because we blindly support Israel and they believe Israel massacres Palestinians .

They wouldn’t even immigrate to the US or Europe if we just left them alone and didn’t cause wars . They were perfectly fine in their region of the world and they were actually the peaceful region during WW1 and WW2 . Once a certain country was formed there, the region went haywire over loyalty for the Palestinian deaths

People like you actually make me, a Jew, fantasize about us being wiped off the planet, just to imagine the moment when you realize how f--cked you are that you got what you wished for.

What would we be f’d over with? Israel didn’t send any troops to help us in Iraq and Afghanistan like the rest of the world post 9/11. They don’t give us oil. We use them because they give us Intelligence apparently on the region . But that’s like asking the Mafia to help us stop European crime.

Obviously a conflict of interest .

We need to go back to being an objective country period . We need to be fair with Israel and not give them special treatment over the other countries in the region.

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It's truly heartbreaking! All these innocent children in Israel and Gaza and the entire area are paying a horrific price.

I don't judge you for viewing, but I'm not watching videos of Israeli victims and I'm not watching this. The facts are the facts. Hamas sucks and must be destroyed.

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Anonymous wrote:Just throw up one photo of an infant without it's head due to Hamas terrorists, and most Americans will be for plowing $ into the IDF.

Yes lets show photos of all the kids killed in Israel AND Gaza. Then maybe people will have a heart.

Half of the Gazan population of just 2 million are children. Half. And 60% of those killed so far there are women and children.

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Anonymous wrote:Just throw up one photo of an infant without it's head due to Hamas terrorists, and most Americans will be for plowing $ into the IDF.

Yes lets show photos of all the kids killed in Israel AND Gaza. Then maybe people will have a heart.

Half of the Gazan population of just 2 million are children. Half. And 60% of those killed so far there are women and children.

Why aren't their moms out fighting Hamas? I mean seriously. Mounting a resistance to save their kids. Is that far fetched? Women played huge roles in the Resistance in WW2.

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Anonymous wrote:All because of the Big Lie. This is what happens when terrorists declare a Day of Unparalleled Anger.

This is what happens when you let terrorists walk across your border and you respond by targeting refugees convoys and hospitals. Wait till the ground war starts. That will break Egypt neutral support for Israel. You think this is not going to be a sh#t show all through the ME. There will be a total realignment, minimum a few assassinations of heads of state(Saudi and Egypt) and it will not favor Israel.

Now let’s talk about those leftist democrats, BLM and students who support Palestinians. Oh they are so evil and the cause of all these problems for Israel! If only we can silence those people everything will be fine.

Tunisia is a mess. Has been for a long while. I am sorry for the loss of the Torah, but these days of rage are mostly ridiculous spectacle.

The way American Jews feel about Israelis being slaughtered by Hamas is exactly how Muslims around the world feel about Palestinians being slaughtered by Israel.
You don’t understand their pain? It’s the same pain a Jewish person is feeling right now

They feel so badly that they won't help save the civilians still there. Give me a break

Save them how? Egypt tried and IDF bombed the Rafah crossing. America says sorry peeps, we can’t save tax paying American citizens in Gaza but we can send a ship and planes to Israel to ship American citizens out ASAP.

Do you think Tunisia wants to war with Israel so they can bomb Tunisian hospitals and children too?

People have been waiting at the Rafa border for days. Egypt could open it if they wanted to.

If they do, Israel would bomb the crossing again then go a bit further and accidentally bomb a nearby target in Egypt saying it was to bomb Hamas bunkers. The Egyptians know this.

Who knows? If this shitshow keeps continuing , I see worse escalation to continue and with the American presidents comments, he just endangered all our ambassadors in the Middle East with one single comment. Poor Anthony Blinken looked mortified

Egypt and Jordan said straight out they will not take in Palestinians. Did you not know about that, or do you just want to speculate about what Israel would do, like you are deciding on which move to make in a video game?

And everybody in the entire world knows why. Unless Israel explicitly guarantees those potential refugees a right of return then they aren't leaving.

The Palestinians are not going anywhere. Israel is never going to be allowed to deport them. Israel and Palestine are both going to have to somehow learn to live with each other.

Doing so will have to involve taking Hamas out of the equation.

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Anonymous wrote:Just throw up one photo of an infant without it's head due to Hamas terrorists, and most Americans will be for plowing $ into the IDF.

Yes lets show photos of all the kids killed in Israel AND Gaza. Then maybe people will have a heart.

Half of the Gazan population of just 2 million are children. Half. And 60% of those killed so far there are women and children.

Yes it’s awful. It makes my heart hurt. Hamas could you know, release some hostages in a moment to ease the suffering.

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Anonymous wrote:All because of the Big Lie. This is what happens when terrorists declare a Day of Unparalleled Anger.

This is what happens when you let terrorists walk across your border and you respond by targeting refugees convoys and hospitals. Wait till the ground war starts. That will break Egypt neutral support for Israel. You think this is not going to be a sh#t show all through the ME. There will be a total realignment, minimum a few assassinations of heads of state(Saudi and Egypt) and it will not favor Israel.

Now let’s talk about those leftist democrats, BLM and students who support Palestinians. Oh they are so evil and the cause of all these problems for Israel! If only we can silence those people everything will be fine.

Tunisia is a mess. Has been for a long while. I am sorry for the loss of the Torah, but these days of rage are mostly ridiculous spectacle.

The way American Jews feel about Israelis being slaughtered by Hamas is exactly how Muslims around the world feel about Palestinians being slaughtered by Israel.
You don’t understand their pain? It’s the same pain a Jewish person is feeling right now

They feel so badly that they won't help save the civilians still there. Give me a break

Save them how? Egypt tried and IDF bombed the Rafah crossing. America says sorry peeps, we can’t save tax paying American citizens in Gaza but we can send a ship and planes to Israel to ship American citizens out ASAP.

Do you think Tunisia wants to war with Israel so they can bomb Tunisian hospitals and children too?

People have been waiting at the Rafa border for days. Egypt could open it if they wanted to.

If they do, Israel would bomb the crossing again then go a bit further and accidentally bomb a nearby target in Egypt saying it was to bomb Hamas bunkers. The Egyptians know this.

Who knows? If this shitshow keeps continuing , I see worse escalation to continue and with the American presidents comments, he just endangered all our ambassadors in the Middle East with one single comment. Poor Anthony Blinken looked mortified

Egypt and Jordan said straight out they will not take in Palestinians. Did you not know about that, or do you just want to speculate about what Israel would do, like you are deciding on which move to make in a video game?

And everybody in the entire world knows why. Unless Israel explicitly guarantees those potential refugees a right of return then they aren't leaving.

The Palestinians are not going anywhere. Israel is never going to be allowed to deport them. Israel and Palestine are both going to have to somehow learn to live with each other.

I agree. But here's what will happen. In some order, there will be a cease fire, aid will be allowed in to Gaza, and maybe some hostages/prisoners will be exchanged. Things will calm down for six months, or maybe six weeks. And then Hamas will start up again.
If they are going to live together, then people who actually want peace --on both sides-- need to be in power and terrorists need to be imprisoned.

Firstly, Egypt and Jordan have already taken in around 3M Palestinian refugees over the course of the conflict. Lebanon another (nearly) 1M. Americans and Israelis calling for neighboring Arab states to take in more refugees completely misses the history of the past century, and absolves Israel from finding a two state solution. It's like blaming a neighbor for not giving you their car when yours has been stolen. Doesn't make any sense.

Secondly, yes. The current Israeli admin is so far right extremist that peace is not an option. They have actual terrorists in the cabinet (BenGvir, eg) that cannot be reasoned with. These guys make our far right look incredibly tame. And Hamas must be ousted for the more reasonable PA.

These are tall orders which will not be done willingly for either side, which is why it would've been so important for the US to show a modicum of backbone. But we did not and have failed to show any leadership in this region. It is heartbreaking

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Anonymous wrote:America is just as much in fear of Israel as the Middle East countries are.

Nothing else could explain the double standards in treatment

Lol. Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. The US wants israel to do the dirty work of keeping the peace in the region without a western country needing to constantly be at war or occupy some country in the region to prevent rampant anti western terrorism.

Israel is a democracy in name only . Netanyahu has been PM for years and years and years now. Longer than Putin or Erdogan have been in office.

Israel does no dirty work for us and they certainly don’t keep the peace. We do the dirty work for them.

The IDF prevents the us military from having to go in everywhere like they did with Iraq and Afghanistan. That’s no small feat.

I’m no supporter of Netanyahu, I’m anti settlement and pro two state solution. Plenty of moderates out there who support Israel’s right to exist alongside a Palestinian state, and see the mutually beneficial relationship our two countries have. I would love to see Netanyahu go and when the dust settles after this war, very possible he’ll be on the chopping block.

Where is everywhere? If we had a more balanced foreign policy and put Israel on check from time to time, we wouldn’t even get the ire and anger from the Middle East period.

Is there a way we can keep a friendship with Israel but also criticize Israel when they are wrong as Obama did once upon a time regarding settlements? Netanyahu backstabbed him to align with Putin who is now aligned with Hamas so I agree he needs to be on worse than a chopping block. He should be tried for corruption in Israeli court and jailed just like Trump should be jailed here

You have got to be kidding. The ME hates us because we have equal rights for women, lgbtq people are accepted, we are jewish, we don’t believe in public beheadings etc. Get a clue.

That’s a false assumption. They hate us because we blindly support Israel and they believe Israel massacres Palestinians .

They wouldn’t even immigrate to the US or Europe if we just left them alone and didn’t cause wars . They were perfectly fine in their region of the world and they were actually the peaceful region during WW1 and WW2 . Once a certain country was formed there, the region went haywire over loyalty for the Palestinian deaths

People like you actually make me, a Jew, fantasize about us being wiped off the planet, just to imagine the moment when you realize how f--cked you are that you got what you wished for.

What would we be f’d over with? Israel didn’t send any troops to help us in Iraq and Afghanistan like the rest of the world post 9/11. They don’t give us oil. We use them because they give us Intelligence apparently on the region . But that’s like asking the Mafia to help us stop European crime.

Obviously a conflict of interest .

We need to go back to being an objective country period . We need to be fair with Israel and not give them special treatment over the other countries in the region.

The US did not want IDF involved in the ground in those missions. Duhhhhh.

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Anonymous wrote:Just throw up one photo of an infant without it's head due to Hamas terrorists, and most Americans will be for plowing $ into the IDF.

Yes lets show photos of all the kids killed in Israel AND Gaza. Then maybe people will have a heart.

Half of the Gazan population of just 2 million are children. Half. And 60% of those killed so far there are women and children.

Yes it’s awful. It makes my heart hurt. Hamas could you know, release some hostages in a moment to ease the suffering.

Or surrender!

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Anonymous wrote:Just throw up one photo of an infant without it's head due to Hamas terrorists, and most Americans will be for plowing $ into the IDF.

Yes lets show photos of all the kids killed in Israel AND Gaza. Then maybe people will have a heart.

Half of the Gazan population of just 2 million are children. Half. And 60% of those killed so far there are women and children.

Why aren't their moms out fighting Hamas? I mean seriously. Mounting a resistance to save their kids. Is that far fetched? Women played huge roles in the Resistance in WW2.

Because Israel is the one killing them. You've never been in a conflict, or at least that is what your language clearly reads. My DH is from the region and traditionally not a group that would sympathize with Hezbollah. But Israel bombed them, and killed them, and destroyed their country. In these circumstances, you will side with whoever is defending you against the aggressor.

If you've never lost a family member to a bomb or an airstrike, it's really hard to explain. But the rage is real and for many of the people in the region, Israel has been the aggressor for decades. The other groups have come and gone but the atrocities of Israel have remained.