Help me understand Republican women in their 30s and 40s

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Anonymous wrote:The southern Baptists are deciding this week whether people can use ivf.

Republican women: what say you?

I am a republican atheist and don't give two f**ks what Baptists decide.

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Another conservative atheist here. The narrative that all republicans are bible-thumpers is so tiresome.

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Your fearless leader is selling $69 bibles. How clueless are you? Comply or die is the Christo-Fascist plan for America.

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Anonymous wrote:Well Project 2025 will eliminate the dept of education and send education “back to the states” so you can expect a real patchwork of services for children who disabled or who have learning differences.

The GOP purpose in gutting the public school system is to privatize those education dollars and put them in the pockets of businesses, like the prison system.

The result is likely to be parents and guardians will get a check from the government that will cover a bare minimum of “education” in an institutional and crowded environment. The wealthy will add that check to help pay tuition at excellent schools with small classes and top notch facilities.

We already have that FFS.

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Anonymous wrote:In general, single women are overwhelmingly democrats and married women are 50/50ish. It's odd that none of this discussion has centered on why married women may have voting preferences that align with male voting patterns, except the bizarre and misogynistic conclusion that women are brainless and will do as their husbands instruct.

Married women tend to have more in common with men because marriage causes them to be a unit and their interests are united. A married woman has no interest in males being discriminated against, etc.

It is interesting. I think it's because many married women have children, and so they're more plugged into community issues - public safety, schools, cost of groceries etc. And Democrats tend to be on the wrong side of everyday quality of life issues - particularly schools and crime.

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When I was single, I didn’t care nearly enough about schools, inflation, cost of living, immigration, or any other political issue for them to affect my voting. I didn’t even understand what school choice was, beyond knowing it was bad primarily because that’s what everyone in my Crown Heights circle thought and I didn’t care enough to look too hard into it. Naturally, I voted D.

Then I had an autistic child in a terrible school district with classrooms overcrowded due to a mass influx of undocumented immigrants, where every kid with any disability that needed accommodation was herded into one classroom and basically babysat. Popular wisdom in my area was that “privileged” parents like me should make do with public schools cuz like privates are bad and leaving meant I was racist. While I was trying to figure out what to do, the pandemic hit, and schools shut down, leaving me to educate a multiply disabled child basically by myself (good luck virtually educating kids like mine) and Dems kept schools closed long after the harms were documented. I got outta NY so fast to a southern state were life was still allowed to go on and where I had my pick of schools regardless of where I lived. Suddenly, school choice made sense. Educational policy and immigration became very real issues to me, and I could have slapped all my former Brooklynite friends who thought keeping schools closed indefinitely was totally fine.

Inflation hit us very hard because we needed every dollar for my son’s therapies and then later for serious health problems I developed. All the monied Democrats I knew telling me that inflation is a non-issue made me want to kill someone.

Life comes at you fast when you have children, a mortgage, and a whole life beyond pie in the sky foolishness to consider. I’m done with Democrats. Never ever thought I’d say that 10 years ago as a single woman.

Oh man you are going to love what republicans have in store for educating your autistic kid.

PP here. As usual, a stupid Democrat who doesn’t have an autistic child is chiming in with fear mongering about Republicans. Newsflash: NEITHER party gives a single fig about education, much less about educating kids like mine. So, while you’re NOT caring, feel feel not to trap my kid in a disgracefully failing school district and feel free NOT to tax more of my money. Leave him to me and F off.

By the way, special ed options are infinitely better in my current red state than in CT, NY, NJ, CA, and any of the major blue states. Kick rocks with your knee-jerk “But Demz R Betta” tripe.

Name the red state.

Republicans are very hostile to the disabled so this is hard to believe. They have blocked several important bills that would seriously relieve the suffering of the disabled.

This is in all their policies.

I am a Dem with a disabled child.

I’m not the PP but I have a disabled child in a blue state. I know families that have moved to Texas, Florida, and Georgia for better services. We considered it ourselves in the pandemic.

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Anonymous wrote:In general, single women are overwhelmingly democrats and married women are 50/50ish. It's odd that none of this discussion has centered on why married women may have voting preferences that align with male voting patterns, except the bizarre and misogynistic conclusion that women are brainless and will do as their husbands instruct.

Married women tend to have more in common with men because marriage causes them to be a unit and their interests are united. A married woman has no interest in males being discriminated against, etc.

It is interesting. I think it's because many married women have children, and so they're more plugged into community issues - public safety, schools, cost of groceries etc. And Democrats tend to be on the wrong side of everyday quality of life issues - particularly schools and crime.

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When I was single, I didn’t care nearly enough about schools, inflation, cost of living, immigration, or any other political issue for them to affect my voting. I didn’t even understand what school choice was, beyond knowing it was bad primarily because that’s what everyone in my Crown Heights circle thought and I didn’t care enough to look too hard into it. Naturally, I voted D.

Then I had an autistic child in a terrible school district with classrooms overcrowded due to a mass influx of undocumented immigrants, where every kid with any disability that needed accommodation was herded into one classroom and basically babysat. Popular wisdom in my area was that “privileged” parents like me should make do with public schools cuz like privates are bad and leaving meant I was racist. While I was trying to figure out what to do, the pandemic hit, and schools shut down, leaving me to educate a multiply disabled child basically by myself (good luck virtually educating kids like mine) and Dems kept schools closed long after the harms were documented. I got outta NY so fast to a southern state were life was still allowed to go on and where I had my pick of schools regardless of where I lived. Suddenly, school choice made sense. Educational policy and immigration became very real issues to me, and I could have slapped all my former Brooklynite friends who thought keeping schools closed indefinitely was totally fine.

Inflation hit us very hard because we needed every dollar for my son’s therapies and then later for serious health problems I developed. All the monied Democrats I knew telling me that inflation is a non-issue made me want to kill someone.

Life comes at you fast when you have children, a mortgage, and a whole life beyond pie in the sky foolishness to consider. I’m done with Democrats. Never ever thought I’d say that 10 years ago as a single woman.

Your story will to be too complex and nuanced for the Democrats on this thread who desperately believe Hilary Clinton has magical powers, but thank you for sharing.

You are both nuts. You GOP nutters are the ones obsessed with Hillary Clinton all these years later. And you think the GOP will help with schools? Are you high? Have you paid no attention to what THEY have been doing to public education in this country for the past several decades. And they TALK about immigration all the time, but they never actually do anything? Nope. Why would they? It's just a tool they use to whip you people into a froth and get you to vote GOP. Fear-mongering and empty promises.

Answer after answer from GOP women = we hate immigrants and we are still traumatized by the pandemic to the point that we can't even remember what actually happened. [b]Do you wake in the night screaming "shutdowns!!!" It's 2024. There is no pandemic now. No one is threatening shut downs. Good Lord, you people need therapy and cult deprogramming.[/b]

Insinuating you, as supporters of the GOP, understand nuance is...hysterical.

Many of us and our kids are still dealing with the educational impact of shutdowns, you low IQed, mouth breathing lower life form! Our problems are just so trivial and hilarious, aren’t they? You need to go play in traffic.

Dp- man I read these posts and I think, “ I guess I’ll just take my next huge tax cut and let the aholes struggle. You don’t want to help yourself, we can’t help you. Carry on!”

DP...which tax cut are you referring to? I'm a small business owner and Trump's "Tax Cuts and Jobs Act" increased my effective tax rate. So for the last six years I've been subsidizing the big corporations that actually got their taxes lowered. So "I'll just take my next huge tax cut and let the aholes struggle" is what the uber-wealthy are saying about people like me as they pull the lever for Trump.

Yes. This is exactly what I’m saying. My taxes ( I’m very wealthy now thanks to Trump) went down. They will go down again if he is re elected. I will get richer with Trump in office.
Small business owners like yourself aren’t part of the club. Neither are the 9-5 working joes.
But I can’t care about the average American more than they do. If posters wanna whine about how bad the pandemic was for them, well I can’t help them. Republican ladies wanna chance a pregnancy in an anti choice state? Got for it! They will probably be fine…. Unless they aren’t. 10-20% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage ( and that’s not including early unidentified miscarriages). Roll the dice!
You mad about immigration? Well go on and vote for the party that screams about the border emergency 24:7 BUT never passes legislation to adddress it. Like ever.
Sounds like ( uncontrolled immigration) is really negatively impacting your schools and neighborhoods. I wouldn’t know about that, because my child doesn’t go to public school and my city has zoning that doesn’t allow for dense housing. I would say that republicans will give you money for your child to choose an excellent private school, but let’s be real… even if they handed parents 20k to make a elite school attainable, the top independent schools will just raise their tuition 25k.
Sadly fascism will hurt us all, but I’m betting I still do better than most. Shrug.
Vote accordingly.

It’s nice of you to confirm how Democrats really feel about working class and middle class people.

I mean we all know the truth, but I do appreciate you just coming out and saying it.

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Anonymous wrote:Who the hell cares who passed the IDEA? Have any of you dealt with NJ, where districts play up the foolish distinction between “medical autism” (no IEP) and “educational autism” (maybe IEP) and district-employed psychologists and therapists fight tooth and nail to make sure as few kids as possible qualify for IEPs? Have you dealt with NYC, where entire districts have no placements available for kids with even high functioning, autism, much less other disabilities, and parents have to find money for lawyers to sue the district for private placement? Have any of you dealt with IEP meetings, where you have to fight for every accommodation over the course of a week of full day meetings, only for the teacher not to be provided the IEP or for the not to be implemented at all in the classroom?

The IDEA is a freaking joke and Democrats threatening that Republicans will gut it are just morons. What are we going to end up with - a system in which everything your child gets depends on the whim of the school district? That’s already the reality on the ground!

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Democrats claiming they are the party of education is some amazing gaslighting and those of us with disabled kids know it.

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Anonymous wrote:In general, single women are overwhelmingly democrats and married women are 50/50ish. It's odd that none of this discussion has centered on why married women may have voting preferences that align with male voting patterns, except the bizarre and misogynistic conclusion that women are brainless and will do as their husbands instruct.

Married women tend to have more in common with men because marriage causes them to be a unit and their interests are united. A married woman has no interest in males being discriminated against, etc.

It is interesting. I think it's because many married women have children, and so they're more plugged into community issues - public safety, schools, cost of groceries etc. And Democrats tend to be on the wrong side of everyday quality of life issues - particularly schools and crime.

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Then I had an autistic child in a terrible school district with classrooms overcrowded due to a mass influx of undocumented immigrants, where every kid with any disability that needed accommodation was herded into one classroom and basically babysat. Popular wisdom in my area was that “privileged” parents like me should make do with public schools cuz like privates are bad and leaving meant I was racist. While I was trying to figure out what to do, the pandemic hit, and schools shut down, leaving me to educate a multiply disabled child basically by myself (good luck virtually educating kids like mine) and Dems kept schools closed long after the harms were documented. I got outta NY so fast to a southern state were life was still allowed to go on and where I had my pick of schools regardless of where I lived. Suddenly, school choice made sense. Educational policy and immigration became very real issues to me, and I could have slapped all my former Brooklynite friends who thought keeping schools closed indefinitely was totally fine.
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Voting for Republicans will gut your child’s education. They do not believe in special education and Project 2025 seeks to destroy education. The kinds of programs that my kids with autism rely on are there because of Democrats, not Republicans.

But your child will certainly enjoy the pastor in school to give counseling!

If your child’s education sucks it’s up to you as a parent to fix it or move. Those are your options. You are choosing fascism.

So, it’s my job to fix my kid’s education regardless of who’s in power, but I should vote for Democrats because of education? Are you even listening to your own nonsense?

Mind you, I already know my kids’ education is entirely on me - which is why Democrats’ crap about being the party of education and needing endless tax money to fund education (never happens) really rankles.

If you know your children’s education is on you, why are you acting new?

Republicans want to gut education. Special education programs that my children and yours rely on will be gone. Jesus will be the education.

I don’t think you listen to your own nonsense, former “Democrat.”

Are you not able to read? Even in my new district, where special ed classes are small and specialized to sort IEP kids by ability and need into different classrooms, special ed is still a joke. The IDEA, FAPE, concepts like least restrictive setting etc etc mean very little in practice. My kid is reading and doing math at grade level and able to socialize because of my efforts. Those efforts cost me my career. Neither party has anything to offer to special ed kids and I can’t stand Democrats pretending otherwise. Those of us actually on the front lines of endless IEP meetings and the stupidity that the IDEA is in real life know better.

You think the school vouchers the Republicans want to replace public schools with are going to fix this? Private schools are even worse at accommodating kids with disabilities. Your voucher isn’t going to automatically cover an expensive special education school like Ivymount or wherever. If it covers it at all, you’ll have to go through a draconian process to prove it. Since school vouchers are not-so-secretly a cost-saving tool, it’ll probably be even worse than trying to get an IEP.

Nobody is accommodating kids with disabilities as a matter of right, honey. It’s all about luck and the whim of the district and school. There are too many different ways to trip up kids and leave them with nothing between diagnosis and actual implementation of the IEP. Each district chooses a different point at which to undermine the IEP process and save itself money spent on kids who are seen as a waste anyway. What la la land are you living in? I have fought IEP battles in no less than eight school districts in five states.

No, I agree with you that sucks. It shouldn’t be like that. But that doesn’t mean the answer is to vote for people who expressly want to make it even worse.

We don’t necessarily believe the Republicans want to make it worse. Not after what the Democrats have put us through.

I’m just tired of the lies from Democrats.

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Anonymous wrote:In general, single women are overwhelmingly democrats and married women are 50/50ish. It's odd that none of this discussion has centered on why married women may have voting preferences that align with male voting patterns, except the bizarre and misogynistic conclusion that women are brainless and will do as their husbands instruct.

Married women tend to have more in common with men because marriage causes them to be a unit and their interests are united. A married woman has no interest in males being discriminated against, etc.

It is interesting. I think it's because many married women have children, and so they're more plugged into community issues - public safety, schools, cost of groceries etc. And Democrats tend to be on the wrong side of everyday quality of life issues - particularly schools and crime.

This.

When I was single, I didn’t care nearly enough about schools, inflation, cost of living, immigration, or any other political issue for them to affect my voting. I didn’t even understand what school choice was, beyond knowing it was bad primarily because that’s what everyone in my Crown Heights circle thought and I didn’t care enough to look too hard into it. Naturally, I voted D.

Then I had an autistic child in a terrible school district with classrooms overcrowded due to a mass influx of undocumented immigrants, where every kid with any disability that needed accommodation was herded into one classroom and basically babysat. Popular wisdom in my area was that “privileged” parents like me should make do with public schools cuz like privates are bad and leaving meant I was racist. While I was trying to figure out what to do, the pandemic hit, and schools shut down, leaving me to educate a multiply disabled child basically by myself (good luck virtually educating kids like mine) and Dems kept schools closed long after the harms were documented. I got outta NY so fast to a southern state were life was still allowed to go on and where I had my pick of schools regardless of where I lived. Suddenly, school choice made sense. Educational policy and immigration became very real issues to me, and I could have slapped all my former Brooklynite friends who thought keeping schools closed indefinitely was totally fine.

Inflation hit us very hard because we needed every dollar for my son’s therapies and then later for serious health problems I developed. All the monied Democrats I knew telling me that inflation is a non-issue made me want to kill someone.

Life comes at you fast when you have children, a mortgage, and a whole life beyond pie in the sky foolishness to consider. I’m done with Democrats. Never ever thought I’d say that 10 years ago as a single woman.

Your story will to be too complex and nuanced for the Democrats on this thread who desperately believe Hilary Clinton has magical powers, but thank you for sharing.

You are both nuts. You GOP nutters are the ones obsessed with Hillary Clinton all these years later. And you think the GOP will help with schools? Are you high? Have you paid no attention to what THEY have been doing to public education in this country for the past several decades. And they TALK about immigration all the time, but they never actually do anything? Nope. Why would they? It's just a tool they use to whip you people into a froth and get you to vote GOP. Fear-mongering and empty promises.

Answer after answer from GOP women = we hate immigrants and we are still traumatized by the pandemic to the point that we can't even remember what actually happened. [b]Do you wake in the night screaming "shutdowns!!!" It's 2024. There is no pandemic now. No one is threatening shut downs. Good Lord, you people need therapy and cult deprogramming.[/b]

Insinuating you, as supporters of the GOP, understand nuance is...hysterical.

Many of us and our kids are still dealing with the educational impact of shutdowns, you low IQed, mouth breathing lower life form! Our problems are just so trivial and hilarious, aren’t they? You need to go play in traffic.

Dp- man I read these posts and I think, “ I guess I’ll just take my next huge tax cut and let the aholes struggle. You don’t want to help yourself, we can’t help you. Carry on!”

DP...which tax cut are you referring to? I'm a small business owner and Trump's "Tax Cuts and Jobs Act" increased my effective tax rate. So for the last six years I've been subsidizing the big corporations that actually got their taxes lowered. So "I'll just take my next huge tax cut and let the aholes struggle" is what the uber-wealthy are saying about people like me as they pull the lever for Trump.

Yes. This is exactly what I’m saying. My taxes ( I’m very wealthy now thanks to Trump) went down. They will go down again if he is re elected. I will get richer with Trump in office.
Small business owners like yourself aren’t part of the club. Neither are the 9-5 working joes.
But I can’t care about the average American more than they do. If posters wanna whine about how bad the pandemic was for them, well I can’t help them. Republican ladies wanna chance a pregnancy in an anti choice state? Got for it! They will probably be fine…. Unless they aren’t. 10-20% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage ( and that’s not including early unidentified miscarriages). Roll the dice!
You mad about immigration? Well go on and vote for the party that screams about the border emergency 24:7 BUT never passes legislation to adddress it. Like ever.
Sounds like ( uncontrolled immigration) is really negatively impacting your schools and neighborhoods. I wouldn’t know about that, because my child doesn’t go to public school and my city has zoning that doesn’t allow for dense housing. I would say that republicans will give you money for your child to choose an excellent private school, but let’s be real… even if they handed parents 20k to make a elite school attainable, the top independent schools will just raise their tuition 25k.
Sadly fascism will hurt us all, but I’m betting I still do better than most. Shrug.
Vote accordingly.

It’s nice of you to confirm how Democrats really feel about working class and middle class people.

I mean we all know the truth, but I do appreciate you just coming out and saying it.

No Sweetie. Just MAGAts. Ya’ll are dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not going to convince any right wing republicans of anything, so I am just waiting for them to fool around and find out. Not sure they are going to like what's coming for them too, if a republican actually gets elected this time.

Candidly, as a Democrat I was assured that the entire country would fail if Trump became president and that objectively did not happen.

We did have a pandemic. And nationwide race riots. I dunno about you, but I didn't enjoy all that.

Tell us how Trump caused a global pandemic that originated from China.

Cause? No. Made exponentially worse because of his completely inept response? Hell yes.

Funny how none of the blindly partisan Democrats in this thread have been willing to say with any specifics how Hilary Clinton was going to stop the spread of the virus in China, India, or the rest of the world.

I am still looking forward to learning about those plans! 👍 It’s amazing how Hilary apparently had the ability to stop a global pandemic. Can’t wait to hear how!

Leadership
Expertise
Coordination
Delegation
Decisiveness
Management
Oversight
Logistics
Communication

In other words, the exact opposite of what Trump spent his time on in 2020.

Specifics. How specifically was Hilary going to stop the spread of Covid in countries outside the US and stop a global pandemic? That’s the claim you Democrats are making. I want the exact plan that would have halted the spread of the virus. You say it exists. So share it.

NP: Given that the GOP doesn't even have a platform, you may want to start fixing up your own house first before you start pointing fingers.

Democrats in this thread have said that Hilary would have stopped the Covid-19 pandemic globally. They are the ones who made that claim. Are you now backing down from that claim?

Who said that?

Here is one example but there are also others:

Hilary would have used America’s power in international organizations to coordinate a speedy response. Hilary would have managed it the way previous presidents (Bush and SARS, Obama and MERS) did previous air borne viruses and it probably could’ve been managed and we wouldn’t have had a global pandemic and all of its losses and consequences.

I mean I think it’s kind of amazing Hilary inspires magical thinking like this to this day.

Pp here. I should have written ANY PRESIDENT OTHER THAN TRUMP. My point was both republican and democratic presidents would have handled Covid as had been done with previous pandemic coronaviruses. But using Hilary was hugely triggering. Hilary or any of the other 2016 republican nominees would have done better.

Do you believe or not believe that under any president other than Trump we “we wouldn’t have had a global pandemic and all of its losses and consequences”? Because that’s what you wrote. Under any other president, you claimed we would not have had a global pandemic. In other word, you believe any other American president would have stopped a global pandemic.

That’s a remarkable claim, and in my view betrays significant magical thinking and a deep lack of scientific understanding of Covid-19 versus SARS/MERS, as well as a lack of understanding of infectious disease control in countries like India.

That’s what you wrote, in any event. Are you now backing down from that claim?

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Anonymous wrote:In general, single women are overwhelmingly democrats and married women are 50/50ish. It's odd that none of this discussion has centered on why married women may have voting preferences that align with male voting patterns, except the bizarre and misogynistic conclusion that women are brainless and will do as their husbands instruct.

Married women tend to have more in common with men because marriage causes them to be a unit and their interests are united. A married woman has no interest in males being discriminated against, etc.

It is interesting. I think it's because many married women have children, and so they're more plugged into community issues - public safety, schools, cost of groceries etc. And Democrats tend to be on the wrong side of everyday quality of life issues - particularly schools and crime.

This.

When I was single, I didn’t care nearly enough about schools, inflation, cost of living, immigration, or any other political issue for them to affect my voting. I didn’t even understand what school choice was, beyond knowing it was bad primarily because that’s what everyone in my Crown Heights circle thought and I didn’t care enough to look too hard into it. Naturally, I voted D.

Then I had an autistic child in a terrible school district with classrooms overcrowded due to a mass influx of undocumented immigrants, where every kid with any disability that needed accommodation was herded into one classroom and basically babysat. Popular wisdom in my area was that “privileged” parents like me should make do with public schools cuz like privates are bad and leaving meant I was racist. While I was trying to figure out what to do, the pandemic hit, and schools shut down, leaving me to educate a multiply disabled child basically by myself (good luck virtually educating kids like mine) and Dems kept schools closed long after the harms were documented. I got outta NY so fast to a southern state were life was still allowed to go on and where I had my pick of schools regardless of where I lived. Suddenly, school choice made sense. Educational policy and immigration became very real issues to me, and I could have slapped all my former Brooklynite friends who thought keeping schools closed indefinitely was totally fine.

Inflation hit us very hard because we needed every dollar for my son’s therapies and then later for serious health problems I developed. All the monied Democrats I knew telling me that inflation is a non-issue made me want to kill someone.

Life comes at you fast when you have children, a mortgage, and a whole life beyond pie in the sky foolishness to consider. I’m done with Democrats. Never ever thought I’d say that 10 years ago as a single woman.

Your story will to be too complex and nuanced for the Democrats on this thread who desperately believe Hilary Clinton has magical powers, but thank you for sharing.

You are both nuts. You GOP nutters are the ones obsessed with Hillary Clinton all these years later. And you think the GOP will help with schools? Are you high? Have you paid no attention to what THEY have been doing to public education in this country for the past several decades. And they TALK about immigration all the time, but they never actually do anything? Nope. Why would they? It's just a tool they use to whip you people into a froth and get you to vote GOP. Fear-mongering and empty promises.

Answer after answer from GOP women = we hate immigrants and we are still traumatized by the pandemic to the point that we can't even remember what actually happened. [b]Do you wake in the night screaming "shutdowns!!!" It's 2024. There is no pandemic now. No one is threatening shut downs. Good Lord, you people need therapy and cult deprogramming.[/b]

Insinuating you, as supporters of the GOP, understand nuance is...hysterical.

Many of us and our kids are still dealing with the educational impact of shutdowns, you low IQed, mouth breathing lower life form! Our problems are just so trivial and hilarious, aren’t they? You need to go play in traffic.

Dp- man I read these posts and I think, “ I guess I’ll just take my next huge tax cut and let the aholes struggle. You don’t want to help yourself, we can’t help you. Carry on!”

DP...which tax cut are you referring to? I'm a small business owner and Trump's "Tax Cuts and Jobs Act" increased my effective tax rate. So for the last six years I've been subsidizing the big corporations that actually got their taxes lowered. So "I'll just take my next huge tax cut and let the aholes struggle" is what the uber-wealthy are saying about people like me as they pull the lever for Trump.

Yes. This is exactly what I’m saying. My taxes ( I’m very wealthy now thanks to Trump) went down. They will go down again if he is re elected. I will get richer with Trump in office.
Small business owners like yourself aren’t part of the club. Neither are the 9-5 working joes.
But I can’t care about the average American more than they do. If posters wanna whine about how bad the pandemic was for them, well I can’t help them. Republican ladies wanna chance a pregnancy in an anti choice state? Got for it! They will probably be fine…. Unless they aren’t. 10-20% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage ( and that’s not including early unidentified miscarriages). Roll the dice!
You mad about immigration? Well go on and vote for the party that screams about the border emergency 24:7 BUT never passes legislation to adddress it. Like ever.
Sounds like ( uncontrolled immigration) is really negatively impacting your schools and neighborhoods. I wouldn’t know about that, because my child doesn’t go to public school and my city has zoning that doesn’t allow for dense housing. I would say that republicans will give you money for your child to choose an excellent private school, but let’s be real… even if they handed parents 20k to make a elite school attainable, the top independent schools will just raise their tuition 25k.
Sadly fascism will hurt us all, but I’m betting I still do better than most. Shrug.
Vote accordingly.

It’s nice of you to confirm how Democrats really feel about working class and middle class people.

I mean we all know the truth, but I do appreciate you just coming out and saying it.

No Sweetie. Just MAGAts. Ya’ll are dumb.

Oh, no, sweetie. You don’t get to pretend that now. You despise working and middle class people. It drips out of your posts.

Do keep posting. You are basically a walking advertisement for the Republicans.

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Anonymous wrote:In general, single women are overwhelmingly democrats and married women are 50/50ish. It's odd that none of this discussion has centered on why married women may have voting preferences that align with male voting patterns, except the bizarre and misogynistic conclusion that women are brainless and will do as their husbands instruct.

Married women tend to have more in common with men because marriage causes them to be a unit and their interests are united. A married woman has no interest in males being discriminated against, etc.

It is interesting. I think it's because many married women have children, and so they're more plugged into community issues - public safety, schools, cost of groceries etc. And Democrats tend to be on the wrong side of everyday quality of life issues - particularly schools and crime.

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Then I had an autistic child in a terrible school district with classrooms overcrowded due to a mass influx of undocumented immigrants, where every kid with any disability that needed accommodation was herded into one classroom and basically babysat. Popular wisdom in my area was that “privileged” parents like me should make do with public schools cuz like privates are bad and leaving meant I was racist. While I was trying to figure out what to do, the pandemic hit, and schools shut down, leaving me to educate a multiply disabled child basically by myself (good luck virtually educating kids like mine) and Dems kept schools closed long after the harms were documented. I got outta NY so fast to a southern state were life was still allowed to go on and where I had my pick of schools regardless of where I lived. Suddenly, school choice made sense. Educational policy and immigration became very real issues to me, and I could have slapped all my former Brooklynite friends who thought keeping schools closed indefinitely was totally fine.
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Voting for Republicans will gut your child’s education. They do not believe in special education and Project 2025 seeks to destroy education. The kinds of programs that my kids with autism rely on are there because of Democrats, not Republicans.

But your child will certainly enjoy the pastor in school to give counseling!

If your child’s education sucks it’s up to you as a parent to fix it or move. Those are your options. You are choosing fascism.

So, it’s my job to fix my kid’s education regardless of who’s in power, but I should vote for Democrats because of education? Are you even listening to your own nonsense?

Mind you, I already know my kids’ education is entirely on me - which is why Democrats’ crap about being the party of education and needing endless tax money to fund education (never happens) really rankles.

If you know your children’s education is on you, why are you acting new?

Republicans want to gut education. Special education programs that my children and yours rely on will be gone. Jesus will be the education.

I don’t think you listen to your own nonsense, former “Democrat.”

Are you not able to read? Even in my new district, where special ed classes are small and specialized to sort IEP kids by ability and need into different classrooms, special ed is still a joke. The IDEA, FAPE, concepts like least restrictive setting etc etc mean very little in practice. My kid is reading and doing math at grade level and able to socialize because of my efforts. Those efforts cost me my career. Neither party has anything to offer to special ed kids and I can’t stand Democrats pretending otherwise. Those of us actually on the front lines of endless IEP meetings and the stupidity that the IDEA is in real life know better.

You think the school vouchers the Republicans want to replace public schools with are going to fix this? Private schools are even worse at accommodating kids with disabilities. Your voucher isn’t going to automatically cover an expensive special education school like Ivymount or wherever. If it covers it at all, you’ll have to go through a draconian process to prove it. Since school vouchers are not-so-secretly a cost-saving tool, it’ll probably be even worse than trying to get an IEP.

Nobody is accommodating kids with disabilities as a matter of right, honey. It’s all about luck and the whim of the district and school. There are too many different ways to trip up kids and leave them with nothing between diagnosis and actual implementation of the IEP. Each district chooses a different point at which to undermine the IEP process and save itself money spent on kids who are seen as a waste anyway. What la la land are you living in? I have fought IEP battles in no less than eight school districts in five states.

No, I agree with you that sucks. It shouldn’t be like that. But that doesn’t mean the answer is to vote for people who expressly want to make it even worse.

We don’t necessarily believe the Republicans want to make it worse. Not after what the Democrats have put us through.

I’m just tired of the lies from Democrats.

+1000 The fear mongering from the party that has unshakable control over the cities and states with some of the worst warehousing and discarding of kids with special needs is exhausting. In the south, the poor districts and counties have bad special ed. In the northeast and other Democratic strongholds, the rule is that the richer the district, the worse the special education and related services because the districts pay millions to lawyers to fight off parents of kids with IEPs and make sure we get as little as possible. And then Democrats come yammering about how Republicans dont care about kids. Look in the mirror.

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Anonymous wrote:In general, single women are overwhelmingly democrats and married women are 50/50ish. It's odd that none of this discussion has centered on why married women may have voting preferences that align with male voting patterns, except the bizarre and misogynistic conclusion that women are brainless and will do as their husbands instruct.

Married women tend to have more in common with men because marriage causes them to be a unit and their interests are united. A married woman has no interest in males being discriminated against, etc.

It is interesting. I think it's because many married women have children, and so they're more plugged into community issues - public safety, schools, cost of groceries etc. And Democrats tend to be on the wrong side of everyday quality of life issues - particularly schools and crime.

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Then I had an autistic child in a terrible school district with classrooms overcrowded due to a mass influx of undocumented immigrants, where every kid with any disability that needed accommodation was herded into one classroom and basically babysat. Popular wisdom in my area was that “privileged” parents like me should make do with public schools cuz like privates are bad and leaving meant I was racist. While I was trying to figure out what to do, the pandemic hit, and schools shut down, leaving me to educate a multiply disabled child basically by myself (good luck virtually educating kids like mine) and Dems kept schools closed long after the harms were documented. I got outta NY so fast to a southern state were life was still allowed to go on and where I had my pick of schools regardless of where I lived. Suddenly, school choice made sense. Educational policy and immigration became very real issues to me, and I could have slapped all my former Brooklynite friends who thought keeping schools closed indefinitely was totally fine.
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Voting for Republicans will gut your child’s education. They do not believe in special education and Project 2025 seeks to destroy education. The kinds of programs that my kids with autism rely on are there because of Democrats, not Republicans.

But your child will certainly enjoy the pastor in school to give counseling!

If your child’s education sucks it’s up to you as a parent to fix it or move. Those are your options. You are choosing fascism.

So, it’s my job to fix my kid’s education regardless of who’s in power, but I should vote for Democrats because of education? Are you even listening to your own nonsense?

Mind you, I already know my kids’ education is entirely on me - which is why Democrats’ crap about being the party of education and needing endless tax money to fund education (never happens) really rankles.

If you know your children’s education is on you, why are you acting new?

Republicans want to gut education. Special education programs that my children and yours rely on will be gone. Jesus will be the education.

I don’t think you listen to your own nonsense, former “Democrat.”

Are you not able to read? Even in my new district, where special ed classes are small and specialized to sort IEP kids by ability and need into different classrooms, special ed is still a joke. The IDEA, FAPE, concepts like least restrictive setting etc etc mean very little in practice. My kid is reading and doing math at grade level and able to socialize because of my efforts. Those efforts cost me my career. Neither party has anything to offer to special ed kids and I can’t stand Democrats pretending otherwise. Those of us actually on the front lines of endless IEP meetings and the stupidity that the IDEA is in real life know better.

You think the school vouchers the Republicans want to replace public schools with are going to fix this? Private schools are even worse at accommodating kids with disabilities. Your voucher isn’t going to automatically cover an expensive special education school like Ivymount or wherever. If it covers it at all, you’ll have to go through a draconian process to prove it. Since school vouchers are not-so-secretly a cost-saving tool, it’ll probably be even worse than trying to get an IEP.

Nobody is accommodating kids with disabilities as a matter of right, honey. It’s all about luck and the whim of the district and school. There are too many different ways to trip up kids and leave them with nothing between diagnosis and actual implementation of the IEP. Each district chooses a different point at which to undermine the IEP process and save itself money spent on kids who are seen as a waste anyway. What la la land are you living in? I have fought IEP battles in no less than eight school districts in five states.

No, I agree with you that sucks. It shouldn’t be like that. But that doesn’t mean the answer is to vote for people who expressly want to make it even worse.

We don’t necessarily believe the Republicans want to make it worse. Not after what the Democrats have put us through.

I’m just tired of the lies from Democrats.

I’m not even sure how it can get worse than being suckered into an allegedly collaborative process with the district or county. Then you learn painfully and slowly that the process is engineered to end with hours and hours and hours of your life wasted. District employees are going to sit entertained as you advocate for the district to recognize an obvious diagnosis it refuses to grant, fight for an IEP the district will refuse to approve, write an approved IEP the district will refuse to implement, and implore teachers who don’t give a crap about any IEP and won’t be disciplined for violating it. Every new quarter will be another chance to have what little your kid is getting stripped away and if your kid makes any progress, they will definitely strip services then and allow regression that then can’t be fixed. Some parents get it sooner and other parents only get it after wasting years and tens of thousands of dollars on special ed advocates and lawyers, and writing 10 extra large red welds of unread letters. Such is the IDEA on the ground. Private services and the efforts of parents are how the very few successful any kids with special needs get through this horrible system.

A plain old “f—k you and your disabled kid” upfront and immediately as soon as you show up to school with your kid would be more merciful.

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Anonymous wrote:In general, single women are overwhelmingly democrats and married women are 50/50ish. It's odd that none of this discussion has centered on why married women may have voting preferences that align with male voting patterns, except the bizarre and misogynistic conclusion that women are brainless and will do as their husbands instruct.

Married women tend to have more in common with men because marriage causes them to be a unit and their interests are united. A married woman has no interest in males being discriminated against, etc.

It is interesting. I think it's because many married women have children, and so they're more plugged into community issues - public safety, schools, cost of groceries etc. And Democrats tend to be on the wrong side of everyday quality of life issues - particularly schools and crime.

This.

When I was single, I didn’t care nearly enough about schools, inflation, cost of living, immigration, or any other political issue for them to affect my voting. I didn’t even understand what school choice was, beyond knowing it was bad primarily because that’s what everyone in my Crown Heights circle thought and I didn’t care enough to look too hard into it. Naturally, I voted D.

Then I had an autistic child in a terrible school district with classrooms overcrowded due to a mass influx of undocumented immigrants, where every kid with any disability that needed accommodation was herded into one classroom and basically babysat. Popular wisdom in my area was that “privileged” parents like me should make do with public schools cuz like privates are bad and leaving meant I was racist. While I was trying to figure out what to do, the pandemic hit, and schools shut down, leaving me to educate a multiply disabled child basically by myself (good luck virtually educating kids like mine) and Dems kept schools closed long after the harms were documented. I got outta NY so fast to a southern state were life was still allowed to go on and where I had my pick of schools regardless of where I lived. Suddenly, school choice made sense. Educational policy and immigration became very real issues to me, and I could have slapped all my former Brooklynite friends who thought keeping schools closed indefinitely was totally fine.

Inflation hit us very hard because we needed every dollar for my son’s therapies and then later for serious health problems I developed. All the monied Democrats I knew telling me that inflation is a non-issue made me want to kill someone.

Life comes at you fast when you have children, a mortgage, and a whole life beyond pie in the sky foolishness to consider. I’m done with Democrats. Never ever thought I’d say that 10 years ago as a single woman.

Your story will to be too complex and nuanced for the Democrats on this thread who desperately believe Hilary Clinton has magical powers, but thank you for sharing.

You are both nuts. You GOP nutters are the ones obsessed with Hillary Clinton all these years later. And you think the GOP will help with schools? Are you high? Have you paid no attention to what THEY have been doing to public education in this country for the past several decades. And they TALK about immigration all the time, but they never actually do anything? Nope. Why would they? It's just a tool they use to whip you people into a froth and get you to vote GOP. Fear-mongering and empty promises.

Answer after answer from GOP women = we hate immigrants and we are still traumatized by the pandemic to the point that we can't even remember what actually happened. [b]Do you wake in the night screaming "shutdowns!!!" It's 2024. There is no pandemic now. No one is threatening shut downs. Good Lord, you people need therapy and cult deprogramming.[/b]

Insinuating you, as supporters of the GOP, understand nuance is...hysterical.

Many of us and our kids are still dealing with the educational impact of shutdowns, you low IQed, mouth breathing lower life form! Our problems are just so trivial and hilarious, aren’t they? You need to go play in traffic.

Dp- man I read these posts and I think, “ I guess I’ll just take my next huge tax cut and let the aholes struggle. You don’t want to help yourself, we can’t help you. Carry on!”

DP...which tax cut are you referring to? I'm a small business owner and Trump's "Tax Cuts and Jobs Act" increased my effective tax rate. So for the last six years I've been subsidizing the big corporations that actually got their taxes lowered. So "I'll just take my next huge tax cut and let the aholes struggle" is what the uber-wealthy are saying about people like me as they pull the lever for Trump.

Yes. This is exactly what I’m saying. My taxes ( I’m very wealthy now thanks to Trump) went down. They will go down again if he is re elected. I will get richer with Trump in office.
Small business owners like yourself aren’t part of the club. Neither are the 9-5 working joes.
But I can’t care about the average American more than they do. If posters wanna whine about how bad the pandemic was for them, well I can’t help them. Republican ladies wanna chance a pregnancy in an anti choice state? Got for it! They will probably be fine…. Unless they aren’t. 10-20% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage ( and that’s not including early unidentified miscarriages). Roll the dice!
You mad about immigration? Well go on and vote for the party that screams about the border emergency 24:7 BUT never passes legislation to adddress it. Like ever.
Sounds like ( uncontrolled immigration) is really negatively impacting your schools and neighborhoods. I wouldn’t know about that, because my child doesn’t go to public school and my city has zoning that doesn’t allow for dense housing. I would say that republicans will give you money for your child to choose an excellent private school, but let’s be real… even if they handed parents 20k to make a elite school attainable, the top independent schools will just raise their tuition 25k.
Sadly fascism will hurt us all, but I’m betting I still do better than most. Shrug.
Vote accordingly.

It’s nice of you to confirm how Democrats really feel about working class and middle class people.

I mean we all know the truth, but I do appreciate you just coming out and saying it.

No Sweetie. Just MAGAts. Ya’ll are dumb.

Oh, no, sweetie. You don’t get to pretend that now. You despise working and middle class people. It drips out of your posts.

Do keep posting. You are basically a walking advertisement for the Republicans.

Great. Make me richer. Go for it! And I just can’t hear all about the great plans they have for educating your special Ed kid!

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not going to convince any right wing republicans of anything, so I am just waiting for them to fool around and find out. Not sure they are going to like what's coming for them too, if a republican actually gets elected this time.

Candidly, as a Democrat I was assured that the entire country would fail if Trump became president and that objectively did not happen.

We did have a pandemic. And nationwide race riots. I dunno about you, but I didn't enjoy all that.

Tell us how Trump caused a global pandemic that originated from China.

Cause? No. Made exponentially worse because of his completely inept response? Hell yes.

Funny how none of the blindly partisan Democrats in this thread have been willing to say with any specifics how Hilary Clinton was going to stop the spread of the virus in China, India, or the rest of the world.

I am still looking forward to learning about those plans! 👍 It’s amazing how Hilary apparently had the ability to stop a global pandemic. Can’t wait to hear how!

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In other words, the exact opposite of what Trump spent his time on in 2020.

Specifics. How specifically was Hilary going to stop the spread of Covid in countries outside the US and stop a global pandemic? That’s the claim you Democrats are making. I want the exact plan that would have halted the spread of the virus. You say it exists. So share it.

NP: Given that the GOP doesn't even have a platform, you may want to start fixing up your own house first before you start pointing fingers.

Democrats in this thread have said that Hilary would have stopped the Covid-19 pandemic globally. They are the ones who made that claim. Are you now backing down from that claim?

Who said that?

Here is one example but there are also others:

Hilary would have used America’s power in international organizations to coordinate a speedy response. Hilary would have managed it the way previous presidents (Bush and SARS, Obama and MERS) did previous air borne viruses and it probably could’ve been managed and we wouldn’t have had a global pandemic and all of its losses and consequences.

I mean I think it’s kind of amazing Hilary inspires magical thinking like this to this day.

Pp here. I should have written ANY PRESIDENT OTHER THAN TRUMP. My point was both republican and democratic presidents would have handled Covid as had been done with previous pandemic coronaviruses. But using Hilary was hugely triggering. Hilary or any of the other 2016 republican nominees would have done better.

Do you believe or not believe that under any president other than Trump we “we wouldn’t have had a global pandemic and all of its losses and consequences”? Because that’s what you wrote. Under any other president, you claimed we would not have had a global pandemic. In other word, you believe any other American president would have stopped a global pandemic.

That’s a remarkable claim, and in my view betrays significant magical thinking and a deep lack of scientific understanding of Covid-19 versus SARS/MERS, as well as a lack of understanding of infectious disease control in countries like India.

That’s what you wrote, in any event. Are you now backing down from that claim?

No. I’m not. Consider the following counter factual:
The evidence of a novel, highly infectious respiratory disease comes to the attention of an NSC staffed with competent, experienced people in November/December 2019. Using the experience of how the U.S. managed previous such epidemics, appropriate protocols are introduced for hospitals to isolate suspicious cases, travel restrictions and so forth. At the same time, through international fora and diplomacy, we work with China to stop the flow of travel from China and alert the rest of the global community. China restricts domestic and international travel and doesn’t send millions of people around the globe during the Chinese new year.

The mortality rate for COVID is lower than SARS or MERS. But COVID has a longer latency period.

Instead of pretending it wasn’t a thing, early action (by a republican or democratic president) would have gotten the world ahead of the curve in a meaningful way. Of course it’s difficult to prove a counter factual, but that doesn’t make it magical thinking. It’s fairly rational to conclude that having avoided a global shutdown through the management of two other highly dangerous and infectious respiratory diseases, we could have done it again.

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Anonymous wrote:Who the hell cares who passed the IDEA? Have any of you dealt with NJ, where districts play up the foolish distinction between “medical autism” (no IEP) and “educational autism” (maybe IEP) and district-employed psychologists and therapists fight tooth and nail to make sure as few kids as possible qualify for IEPs? Have you dealt with NYC, where entire districts have no placements available for kids with even high functioning, autism, much less other disabilities, and parents have to find money for lawyers to sue the district for private placement? Have any of you dealt with IEP meetings, where you have to fight for every accommodation over the course of a week of full day meetings, only for the teacher not to be provided the IEP or for the not to be implemented at all in the classroom?

The IDEA is a freaking joke and Democrats threatening that Republicans will gut it are just morons. What are we going to end up with - a system in which everything your child gets depends on the whim of the school district? That’s already the reality on the ground!

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Democrats claiming they are the party of education is some amazing gaslighting and those of us with disabled kids know it.

You are an idiot if you think Republicans would do anything for a disbabled child. WTH is wrong with you? Their voting records are public moron.

Screw off the only ones screwing education are the bible thumpers banning books, screaming and dumbing down education. Why are all red states last in education? Why do vouchers have no where for any disabled or learning issue kid placements???

You are stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not going to convince any right wing republicans of anything, so I am just waiting for them to fool around and find out. Not sure they are going to like what's coming for them too, if a republican actually gets elected this time.

Candidly, as a Democrat I was assured that the entire country would fail if Trump became president and that objectively did not happen.

We did have a pandemic. And nationwide race riots. I dunno about you, but I didn't enjoy all that.

Tell us how Trump caused a global pandemic that originated from China.

Cause? No. Made exponentially worse because of his completely inept response? Hell yes.

Funny how none of the blindly partisan Democrats in this thread have been willing to say with any specifics how Hilary Clinton was going to stop the spread of the virus in China, India, or the rest of the world.

I am still looking forward to learning about those plans! 👍 It’s amazing how Hilary apparently had the ability to stop a global pandemic. Can’t wait to hear how!

Leadership
Expertise
Coordination
Delegation
Decisiveness
Management
Oversight
Logistics
Communication

In other words, the exact opposite of what Trump spent his time on in 2020.

Specifics. How specifically was Hilary going to stop the spread of Covid in countries outside the US and stop a global pandemic? That’s the claim you Democrats are making. I want the exact plan that would have halted the spread of the virus. You say it exists. So share it.

NP: Given that the GOP doesn't even have a platform, you may want to start fixing up your own house first before you start pointing fingers.

Democrats in this thread have said that Hilary would have stopped the Covid-19 pandemic globally. They are the ones who made that claim. Are you now backing down from that claim?

Who said that?

Here is one example but there are also others:

Hilary would have used America’s power in international organizations to coordinate a speedy response. Hilary would have managed it the way previous presidents (Bush and SARS, Obama and MERS) did previous air borne viruses and it probably could’ve been managed and we wouldn’t have had a global pandemic and all of its losses and consequences.

I mean I think it’s kind of amazing Hilary inspires magical thinking like this to this day.

Pp here. I should have written ANY PRESIDENT OTHER THAN TRUMP. My point was both republican and democratic presidents would have handled Covid as had been done with previous pandemic coronaviruses. But using Hilary was hugely triggering. Hilary or any of the other 2016 republican nominees would have done better.

Do you believe or not believe that under any president other than Trump we “we wouldn’t have had a global pandemic and all of its losses and consequences”? Because that’s what you wrote. Under any other president, you claimed we would not have had a global pandemic. In other word, you believe any other American president would have stopped a global pandemic.

That’s a remarkable claim, and in my view betrays significant magical thinking and a deep lack of scientific understanding of Covid-19 versus SARS/MERS, as well as a lack of understanding of infectious disease control in countries like India.

That’s what you wrote, in any event. Are you now backing down from that claim?

No. I’m not. Consider the following counter factual:
The evidence of a novel, highly infectious respiratory disease comes to the attention of an NSC staffed with competent, experienced people in November/December 2019. Using the experience of how the U.S. managed previous such epidemics, appropriate protocols are introduced for hospitals to isolate suspicious cases, travel restrictions and so forth. At the same time, through international fora and diplomacy, we work with China to stop the flow of travel from China and alert the rest of the global community. China restricts domestic and international travel and doesn’t send millions of people around the globe during the Chinese new year.

The mortality rate for COVID is lower than SARS or MERS. But COVID has a longer latency period.

Instead of pretending it wasn’t a thing, early action (by a republican or democratic president) would have gotten the world ahead of the curve in a meaningful way. Of course it’s difficult to prove a counter factual, but that doesn’t make it magical thinking. It’s fairly rational to conclude that having avoided a global shutdown through the management of two other highly dangerous and infectious respiratory diseases, we could have done it again.

Nah Trump only caused his supporters to get dumber and get more antivax stupidity and killed over 1 million Americans that we know of.